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Google Deletes Artist's Blog and a Decade Of His Work Along With It (fusion.net)

Ethan Chiel, writing for Fusion: Artist Dennis Cooper has a big problem on his hands: Most of his artwork from the past 14 years just disappeared. It's gone because it was kept entirely on his blog, which the experimental author and artist has maintained on the Google-owned platform Blogger since 2002 (Google bought the service in 2003). At the end of June, Cooper says he discovered he could no longer access his Blogger account and that his blog had been taken offline. Along with his blog, Google disabled Cooper's email address, through which most of his correspondence was conducted, he told me via Facebook message. He got no communication from Google about why it decided to kill his email address and blog. Cooper used the blog to post his fiction, research, and visual art, and as Artforum explains, it was also "a platform through which he engaged almost daily with a community of followers and fellow artists." His latest GIF novel (as the term suggests, a novel constructed with animated GIFs) was also mostly saved to the blog.WayBackMachine has some of the pages from his blog, but they are only screenshots. Google Cache is also of not much help. Slashdot readers, just out of curiosity, is there anything -- any service -- Mr. Cooper could use to get his artwork back?

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  1. Good excuse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The blog ate my homework.

  2. The Cloud Is Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    until the lightning bolt comes out of it....

    1. Re:The Cloud Is Wonderful by the_povinator · · Score: 3, Informative
      I had the same problem as this guy at some point-- my homepage hosted on google pages was disabled because of some unspecified terms of service violation. I couldn't even fix the issue because they wouldn't tell me what the violation was about. And no luck contacting a real person.

      After that I moved my homepage to a machine I control (danielpovey.com)

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  3. Save often, make backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean...really? It's 2016. Your art is your passion, and you don't have it backed up ANYWHERE?

    1. Re:Save often, make backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about the computer he used to create the GIFs in the first place? I mean, he had to have written and created most of his long fiction and GIFs offline, then uploaded them.

      Something seems amiss with this narrative.

    2. Re:Save often, make backups by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 3, Funny

      Backups are for pussies. Real men just upload their shit to some FTP server... ehm, never mind.

    3. Re:Save often, make backups by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Informative

      The FTP server on OneDrive. Which went from 15GB to 5GB and ate your data anyway.

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    4. Re:Save often, make backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      is there anything -- any service -- Mr. Cooper could use to get his artwork back?

      Yes, it's called "don't be a fucking retard and save multiple copies of everything locally".

      Seriously. If you can't be bothered to make the tiniest bit of effort to preserve your work then it obviously has no value.

    5. Re:Save often, make backups by pr0t0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First, yes, local backups should absolutely be done. But also: doesn't Google have millisecond backups on every continent and two oceans? Just wondering if his lost data could be restored from one of those.

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    6. Re:Save often, make backups by St.Creed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Creating backups is soooooo last millenium... it's all in the cloud now and these "big data" NoSQL solutions are failsafe. Or failproof. Or whatever. The data is not lost, it's just missing in action - it may even show up one day all by itself.

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    7. Re:Save often, make backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      is there anything -- any service -- Mr. Cooper could use to get his artwork back?

      Yes, it's called "don't be a fucking retard and save multiple copies of everything locally".

      Seriously. If you can't be bothered to make the tiniest bit of effort to preserve your work then it obviously has no value.

      Did you ever work in retail at any time in your life? One of the first things it teaches you is that there is an entire class of people who absolutely HATE lifting a finger to do anything at all for themselves, no matter how easy that thing may be, no matter how much sense it might make. They resent the notion of ever having to take care of their own affairs.

      It's sort of like the people who wait on hold for 30-45 minutes for tech support, only to ask a question that's answered in the manual, in the FAQ, in the help file, on the web site, and often, what they need is right there in the menu if only they'd click on it just to see what it contains. Plus, the people who really do need a technician (say, because the problem is on the ISP's end) get to wait extra long because of the backlog of useless people.

      I don't know what the percentage of them is, but a lot of people are just helpless. Entire industries play a role in helping them remain that way. The only thing left is for restaurants to offer them pre-chewed food.

    8. Re:Save often, make backups by Prien715 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" ~ Linus Torvalds

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    9. Re:Save often, make backups by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If anything I'd say this guy is ahead of his time. Those of us who started in this field in the 1980s are fully aware of value of backups, but m kids' generation trusts the cloud to always be there for them.

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    10. Re:Save often, make backups by plopez · · Score: 4, Funny

      they're using /dev/nul which is the secret sauce to being web scale.

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    11. Re:Save often, make backups by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Funny

      How the heck do you even back up a site like that?

      Hmmm, maybe using a web page scraper tool like HTTrack or perhaps the built-in export/backup function on the blog site...

      Perhaps Google has a help page that describes how to do this... Nah, that would be too easy....

      https://support.google.com/blo...

      http://techproblems.org/how-to...

    12. Re:Save often, make backups by Reaperducer · · Score: 5, Informative

      He was probably counting on Google, as the service provider, to backup his data for him. The way that (if you let it) Apple backs up all of your iPhone data constantly so that if you drop it in the toilet, you just get a new iPhone and everything in a few hours magically comes back the way you left it.

      That's the promise of "the cloud" we keep hearing about from the marketing departments. This artist, being an artist not a tech guy, believed it.

      But this is actually par for the course for Google. I moved all of my clients off of Blogger about five years ago after one of their Blogger blogs simply disappeared without a trace and no recourse. After a little digging, I turned up HUNDREDS of similar cases of people's Blogger accounts vanishing into thin air with zero help from Google. This has been going on for years, and Google is silent about it.

      After all, you get what you pay for.

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    13. Re:Save often, make backups by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, I work in the service industry and I knwo that some people will just not have a clue about what I think is trivial, just as I have no idea about things that they find trivial.

      Extreme examples: person is too "stupid" to do a backup. Perhaps he does not even know what a backup is, let alone an incremential one.

      Then on the other side is the person who knows all these things. Knows 27 computer languages and dreams of electronic sheep, yet he is "to stupid" to tak to some person of another gender. He has NO idea how to do that.

      So ALL people are helpless at some point and will need the help of others. To look down on them means you are to stupid to have some form of empathy.

      The issue is that the person was informed by the company that his data would be safe. It wasn't. He was lied to and that is apparently ok. THAT is the problem. Not that he did not know he should take a backup, but that he was never told he should take a backup.

      When you see somebody from Google, just ask what you must do to keep your data safe. Do not argue with his anser. He will moste likely say 'upload it to us'. So where is the problem? Not with the person.

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  4. Re:Backups by Nkwe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you dont have a backup, then it must not have been important to you...

    Actually, if you haven't successfully tested a restore of your backup, you don't have a backup (and it must not be that important to you.)

  5. "... consider suing ..." by Splat · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Cooper, who lives in France, told Artforum he’s consulted a French lawyer specializing in intellectual property. He told me he’s considering suing Google"

    Blogger TOS:

    "OTHER THAN AS EXPRESSLY SET OUT IN THESE TERMS OR ADDITIONAL TERMS, NEITHER GOOGLE NOR ITS SUPPLIERS OR DISTRIBUTORS MAKE ANY SPECIFIC PROMISES ABOUT THE SERVICES. FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON’T MAKE ANY COMMITMENTS ABOUT THE CONTENT WITHIN THE SERVICES, THE SPECIFIC FUNCTIONS OF THE SERVICES, OR THEIR RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, OR ABILITY TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. WE PROVIDE THE SERVICES “AS IS”."

    Oh would you look at that ...

  6. Re: Don't you have to Ask to be Forgotten? by aicrules · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pedantic Purple

  7. Re:Free by apoc.famine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Millenials, I think.

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  8. Another Reminder by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember that "on the cloud" just means "on somebody else's server". They may say you'll never lose it, but they have been known to lie, or go under, or change their service. Remember the Sidekick which advertised all your phone data would be in the cloud and backed up so you'd never risk losing it?

  9. archive.is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://archive.is/3tNs

  10. Re:Free by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where does all this hate for millenials comes from?

    Gen Xer's who are stuck between the Baby Boomers who got everything and the millennials who whine about everything.

  11. Try Resurrect Pages plugin by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll join the chorus of voices saying it was incredibly stupid to use an online service as your only copy of your materials, with no local backup. But what's done is done. If the Wayback Machine doesn't have a copy, try installing the Resurrect Pages add-on to Firefox. It links to a lot more caching and archiving services than just the Wayback Machine.

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/resurrect-pages/

  12. Cloud and cloud, what is cloud?! by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait, WHERE is cloud?!!

    shit.

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    1. Re:Cloud and cloud, what is cloud?! by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I never trust "the cloud" with anything anymore. Whoever came up with that name was probably trying to send a message- clouds have a habit of blowing away.

      You can't even trust gmail anymore. Recently I did searches for some important email conversations I had and they had just vanished without a trace. I thought I was deleting them myself by mistake. Eventually I realized that for the past year, whenever I reply to an email, and ONLY if I reply to it, Google throws the whole conversation into the Trash folder.

  13. Same problem with an ultra-niche blog by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had been using a blog to record my pond over a period of a year. I specifically wanted to have a timeline record of pictures and notes. I knew no one would be reading it for a while until I completed the year and used it essentially as a notebook that I could easily upload to using my phone. I got about 10 months in and Wordpress deleted it all. Greeeeat. I still have the photos on my phone, but not the notes I took.

  14. Get off my lawn! by mattyj · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is just a case of someone that doesn't know how the Internet works, and maybe can't read. It's documented elsewhere that his account was disabled because of a violation of Google's terms, and when that happens, after you try to log into google there's a prominent message saying as much with instructions on how to get more info, etc.

    Nothing has been deleted. Nothing is gone. He just needs to take care of whatever violation he triggered with Google.

    And, as stated elsewhere by everybody and their mothers, back your stuff up someplace else in the physical world. Hard to believe it took this guy 63 years to learn that lesson.

  15. Re:Ahem. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    And fortunately he doesn't have a backup, sparing the rest of humanity from the risk of exposure to animated gifs. Now can we get to work on the kittens?

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  16. Re: Contact Google? by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, it's trivial. When I had my GMail account pwned, I emailed them, and a human helpfully verified my identity, the suspicious activity, and restored my access. Don't just assume it's impossible without trying. And if it doesn't work, just be more persistent. The squeaky wheel, and all that.

  17. Re:Free by chefmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Free? No, the implicit agreement you have with Google is your privacy for its services. Google didn't uphold its end of the deal, so he should ask for his privacy back.

  18. Re:Ahem. by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, if Google lost m kids' baby pictures you could say the same thing. The monetary and cultural value of those pictures is zero, but they're still important to me.

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  19. No backup, artist must consider it unimportant too by drnb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, if Google lost m kids' baby pictures you could say the same thing. The monetary and cultural value of those pictures is zero, but they're still important to me.

    Important enough to back up?

    The artist's "experiment" has made a "discovery". Its important to back up your data regardless of who your online storage "partner" is.

  20. No, this has nothing to do with Google. by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me tell you a story..

    An experimental artist did some work, pinned it up to the public noticeboard at the load library.
    He notice some people looking at it, so made more, kept pinning it up. Never kept any copies, just pinned the originals up.
    The noticeboard had plenty of empty space, and he was enjoying this.
    Some people even pinned up notes making comments on his work
    After a few years, the noticeboard was taken down, because the library had been been reorganising, and there were now bookshelves there.

    The artist stood in front of the library, complaining to everyone who walked past 'they took down my artwork!!! its not fair!!'

    Perhaps he should have gone to librarian and asked very nicely if they still had the old noticeboard content, because he had been foolish enough to
    not keep any copies, and would really like to actually have kept some of it.

    But no, he just kept complaining to random passers by, hoping that would somehow help.

  21. Re: No backup, artist must consider it unimportant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly, Google was under no SLA to ensure the datas integrity. It was the artists personal responsibility to backup all of his data. Now it's curious why the person's account was removed and no answer was offered by Google.

  22. Re:Ahem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have been on the other side of this (in a previous job), and have had some insight into what's happening in these situations. Yes, accidents do happen and data occasionally gets lost. That's why you always should keep backups. And unlike other providers, Google does make that relatively easy with its "Takeout" service. Also, if you do contact Google as soon as the problem happens (preferably, within the first month), data will usually be restored. Admittedly, Google doesn't make it easy to contact them. So, that's unfortunately a bit of a challenge.

    Now, for the ugly side of things. From my experience, a full 90% of the users who complain loudly and publicly, really only tell half the story. A provider such as Google won't publicly comment, as that's a battle that can't be won. The court of public opinion is merciless that way. But I swear, the vast majority of cases, the complainant is really at fault themselves. They just conveniently omit those details when they go public. "What? I should have mentioned that I ran a child-porn ring from my Google account before it was shut down? Why? Is that relevant? I still deserve all my data! And besides, I should sue for disruption of business. My child-porn business partners don't like their e-mails bouncing!".

    Not saying that this is exactly what happened in OP's case. But I'd honestly be surprised, if he told us all there is to his story.

  23. Re:Ahem. by TheReaperD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wouldn't be surprised if a DMCA complaint made by a 3rd party (and likely one hired on behalf of him) is behind this.

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  24. Re:Ahem. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    The blog was taken down for repeated violations of the TOS. The Guardian can offer you some insight: If you scroll down a bit, you'll see this:

    He had a featured post, twice a month, where he would take ads by escorts and highlight their literary qualities. Cooper’s work often depicts sexuality and violence in graphic terms, and some of the writing and images dealt with similar themes.

    He has no reason to whine.

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