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Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube Blocked In Turkey During Reported Coup Attempt (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In response to an attempted military coup, the Turkish government has reportedly blocked social media sites including Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. TechCrunch reports: "Turkey Blocks, a Twitter account that regularly checks if sites are being blocked in the country, reported at 1:04 PM Pacific (11:04 PM Istanbul time) that Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube were all unresponsive, though Instagram and Vimeo remained available." Some Turkish users were able to update their social media accounts likely through a VPN or other anonymizing service. One user posted a video on Twitter that shows what appears to be a fighter jet flying very low over the Turkish capital of Ankara; another user has tweeted a video of a helicopter opening fire in Turkey. The Associated Press reports that Turkish prime minister, Binali Yildirim, has confirmed the coup by a group within Turkey's military. The following statement from the group was reportedly read on local television: "Turkish Armed Forces have completely taken over the administration of the country to reinstate constitutional order, human rights and freedoms, the rule of law and the general security that was damaged. All international agreements are still valid. We hope that all of our good relationships with all countries will continue."

UPDATE 7/15/16: Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan has issued a statement in a FaceTime call to CNN Turk urging Turkish citizens to take to the streets to defend "Turkish democracy." He urges the Turkish people to convene at public squares and airports, saying there is no power higher than the power of the people.

153 comments

  1. Bye bye Erdogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glad they're finally flushing that dictator.

    1. Re:Bye bye Erdogan by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From what I understand, Erdogan is out of the country, so clearly they timed this to prevent him from being up to directly marshal his forces. But it's still not clear as to whether this is a faction of the Army, or the bulk of it. From what I gather, the head of the Armed Forces has been detained, so it does sound like a large portion of the Army is backing the coup.

      Something had to give sooner or later. Erdogan had flushed out most of the old guard, but there were likely a lot of mid-rank officers left who probably had pretty strong feelings about AKP. The Army has long viewed itself as the guarantors of Ataturk's reforms, and they've taken out uppety governments before. But to have this happen while ISIS is still merely dancing about Syria and Northern Iraq, and with Syria still a bloody mess, and with refugees flooding the country, well, this is a pretty unique set of circumstances.

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    2. Re:Bye bye Erdogan by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One major factor might be that the "Ergenekon" network people were released in April. These are the people that Erdogan imprisoned on charges of conspiring to remove him from power but there was no evidence the plot even existed. The plot may not have existed, but he gave a hell of an incentive to create one.

    3. Re:Bye bye Erdogan by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Bye bye Erdogan

      Gone, gone the form of man. Rise, the Demon, Etrigan^W Erdogan!

    4. Re: Bye bye Erdogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coz Turkey's military could have a history of ushering in eras of prosperity and liberty.

    5. Re:Bye bye Erdogan by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      A large portion of the army: yes! As they are citizens, too!
      A large portion of the head of the army: no, as they are Erdogans cronies, too!

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    6. Re: Bye bye Erdogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he was elected. Now the only thing that matters is the gun.

    7. Re:Bye bye Erdogan by t00le · · Score: 1

      Glad they're finally flushing that dictator.

      False Flag Operation, no comment on NATO nukes or US involvement.

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    8. Re:Bye bye Erdogan by doccus · · Score: 1

      Really sad that they failed. Everybody's scared of Erdogan.. and now that he's going o order dozens of summary executions fo this attemnpt he's essentially got the power of a dictator. Bye Bye to demokratiko Turkey!

  2. Coup by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't think turkeys could fly the coup?

    1. Re:Coup by BeauHD · · Score: 3, Insightful

      *slow clap*

    2. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No wonder this place is going to shit, you mods think bad jokes are worth fucking slow claps. Explains everything.

    3. Re:Coup by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 1

      Mind. Blown. +1

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    4. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      as god as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

    5. Re:Coup by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I believe they are upset with Twitter over something else entirely

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    6. Re:Coup by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh come on, that was the best value coup pun I've seen in years.

    7. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *slow poop on bad moderator*

    8. Re: Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't think the mod would move you to 5 for telling the worst joke ever, but here we are. Jesus the mods here are killing /.

    9. Re: Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remove Kebab

      https://youtu.be/ocW3fBqPQkU

    10. Re:Coup by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      as god as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

      I doubt many on /. these days are old enough to remember WKRP, let alone remember that episode. But I got a good laugh out of it.

    11. Re: Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for scratching my obscure pop culture reference itch :-)

    12. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if comedy was easy we'd all be doing it.

    13. Re:Coup by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      It is indeed there.

    14. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is there all week unless he is deported.

    15. Re:Coup by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Informative

      I raise turkeys. The heritage breeds can fly, but they are much smaller and lighter than the kind you eat for Thanksgiving. And by fly, I mean flap their wings enough to jump over a 2m fence.

    16. Re:Coup by denzacar · · Score: 2

      I don't know. Felt kinda poultry to me.

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    17. Re:Coup by Mogster · · Score: 1

      +1

      Great series that - sitcoms that are actually funny are hard to come by these days

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    18. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're hitting the ground like bags of wet cement!

    19. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. I have watched a turkey flap its wings and get at least 15 feet off the ground.

    20. Re:Coup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spoke that quote only 2 weeks ago at work, so...

    21. Re:Coup by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Then buy it already! The whole series is only $60-$70 - with most of the music restored.

  3. NATO by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    A coup in a non-trivial NATO nation would be interesting.

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    1. Re:NATO by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not the first time this happens. And it is (hopefully) not the sort of military coup as seen in other nations: a military coup seems like a scary and odd thing to have in a democracy, but the Turkish army has been charged since the days of Atatürk with the protection of the secular nature of the state. If a leader or party is too openly religious or attempting to change the constitution in their favour (and dear god does Erdogan ever fit that bill), they step in. And hopefully restore order and democracy presently.

      Erdogan made no secret of his designs. From the man himself: "Democracy is like a train: when you reach your destination, you get off". And: "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers"

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    2. Re:NATO by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      You have a weird definition for "interesting".

    3. Re: NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely interested in how NATO reacts (hopefully peaceful help only) I can't recall hearing NATO comment on internal struggles of member countries.

    4. Re:NATO by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is different because Erdogan had already pushed through quite a few reforms and had, by all accounts, removed much of the old guard of Generals and replaced them with loyalists. If this coup is widespread, it means either some of the Generals aren't as loyal to Erdogan as he thought, or that they've been removed from the equation. This is beginning to sound less like a classic revolt of the Turkish Generals, and more like a revolt of the Turkish Colonels, more of an almost Latin American style coup.

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    5. Re: NATO by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      NATO will decry the unlawful deposing of a democratically elected leader, and then will immediately set about making sure the Army is still on board. I'm sure they still have the procedure manual titled "What To Do When A Turkish President Is Deposed".

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    6. Re:NATO by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      True. Perhaps Erdogan underestimated how deeply ingrained Atatürk's legacy is in the military, and failed to fully defuse that time bomb. We can only hope that the Colonels or whoever they are are as firmly in control of the military as the Generals would be, or this could spiral out of control and into a civil war.

      Don't be too quick though to believe the notion (all too eagerly repeated by CNN) that it's Gülenists leading the coup, i.e. a different brand of muslims. It might be true, but the Turkish government has always been quick to blame stuff on that movement. And if they want anyone in or outside the military to stand up against this coup, that would by far be the best lie to spread.

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    7. Re:NATO by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Turkey has had a few coups. Since NATO?

      Isn't nominal democracy a condition for NATO membership?

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    8. Re: NATO by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      Given Turkey's unique constitution, it isn't entirely clear that this IS an unlawful deposing of a democratically elected leader. This is their form of an impeachment.

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    9. Re:NATO by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Turkey has been a member of NATO since '52, and has had 2 coups since ('60 and '80) as well as a military intervention in '71, and they stepped in as recently as '97. Keep in mind that the Turkish army is charged to defend democracy and step in when that is threatened. That may sound weird (and it's doubtful that their motives were as pure as that in '80) but it appears that it is kind of necessary sometimes.

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    10. Re:NATO by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fact that this junta seems to be talking about forming a Peace Council to protect Turkish citizens' rights regardless of race or religion suggests that, oddities aside, this is a coup more in the classic Turkish tradition. In other words, Erdogan ultimately was unable to get rid of all the Ataturk secularists in the army, and his own Generals ultimately failed to overawe those further down the ranks.

      I've also just read that Erdogan has tried to address the nation via some sort of online service (there's a picture of someone watching his address via iPhone, and it looks like he's standing in front of hotel curtains), and that he had tried to land in Istanbul but had been refused. This would suggest he's probably holed up somewhere in Europe. With AKP's headquarters now under military control, the state broadcaster shut down, and Erdogan blocked from re-entering the country, the claim that is Gulenists is likely false. This is far too big, and sounds like it involves far too much of the military to be blamed on what really is at best a fringe movement.

      It might not be the Generals staging the coup, the ghost of Ataturk has taken out another Turkish government.

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    11. Re:NATO by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      *cough* Greece

      Sorry

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    12. Re:NATO by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Isn't nominal democracy a condition for NATO membership?

      No. Turkey and Greece were both members of NATO while they were military dictatorships. NATO has never been much concerned about the internal politics of its members.

    13. Re:NATO by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      It certainly seems to be well organized and wide spread. Extensive military presence has been reported at numerous sites across the country, especially in the capital, Ankara, and Istanbul, as you might expect, and all the airports have been closed down indicating a presence at other cities as well so this doesn't appear to be a small revolt by a handful of rogue colonels as the government is claiming. Interestingly, a heavy police presence was noticed earlier in the day and there are some reports of gunfire between units of the police and military, so it's possible someone in Erdogan's government had an inkling that something might be up and tried to do something about it.

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    14. Re:NATO by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The Guardian is confirming that Erdogan's interview was with CNN Turkey, via FaceTime! I'm thinking he's lost access to all of the instruments of the Turkish state. He's standing in front of hastily drawn blinds that could either be a hotel or an office. Could be a Turkish embassy, could be a hotel, but since he wasn't allowed to land in Istanbul, it's almost certainly not in Turkey.

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    15. Re:NATO by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Turkey is an odd exception: when they have a military coup the new government is often better than the one it replaces.

      Over the years, I've known a few Turks who were working or studying in the USA or Europe. What Westerners think of as Turks are people like them - from Ankara or Istanbul, college education & speaking at least one of English/French/German.

      However they're the majority. Most of them are goat-kicking mud-fuckers, which is why wankers like Erdogan get elected.

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    16. Re:NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times." :)

    17. Re:NATO by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Reuters is reporting that he was on holiday in Marmaris on the S.W. coast of Turkey, so it seems likely the backdrop was his holiday hotel or villa. While it's quite possible that his "safe location" is still in Turkey, Marmaris is well within helicopter range of mainland Greece, Crete and Turkish held areas of Cyprus so it's equally likely he could be out of the country by now. Either way, I can't see him wanting to go too far - in the event his side prevails he'll want to be seem to be visibly back in the country and condemning the consipirators ASAP.

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    18. Re:NATO by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The reports state that his plane was refused permission to land in Istanbul, and that he is now apparently requesting Asylum in Europe (Germany has refused). So I think it likely does mean he is no longer in Turkey.

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    19. Re:NATO by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      For smaller countries that want protection, yes. For strategically important/powerful countries, less so.

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    20. Re: NATO by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they still have the procedure manual titled "What To Do When A Turkish President Is Deposed".

      With several layers of sticky labels with the word "again" stuck on the cover.

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    21. Re: NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Most of them are goat-kicking mud-fuckers, which is why wankers like Erdogan get elected."

      People with your level of insight and compassion for the people of the world make me happy to be alive.

    22. Re:NATO by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      Turkey has had a few coups. Since NATO? Isn't nominal democracy a condition for NATO membership?

      I think the formula you're looking for is: !communist. During the cold war it was "he's a bastard, but he's our bastard" rules.

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    23. Re:NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of them are the problem with democracy. More evidence that elites play a crucial role in society.

    24. Re:NATO by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Turkey has been a member of NATO since '52, and has had 2 coups since ('60 and '80) as well as a military intervention in '71, and they stepped in as recently as '97. Keep in mind that the Turkish army is charged to defend democracy and step in when that is threatened. That may sound weird (and it's doubtful that their motives were as pure as that in '80) but it appears that it is kind of necessary sometimes.

      But US now has a policy of not talking to or working with countries with a miltary coup. That could really complicate the military cooperation, for instance against ISIS, which the US conducts from Turkish basis. If the coup succedes, current official US policy would be to withdraw from Turkey.

    25. Re: NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US can just ignore US law until there is a farce of an election like Egypt.

    26. Re:NATO by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Its also possible they were loyal and changed sides. Its hard to change the culture of a something like a military.

      You might manage to use political clout to install your 'loyalist general' but after he spends some time with the other generals and the ranks he might come round to their way of thinking.

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    27. Re:NATO by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      That is what the law says sure, but that isn't what the Lawless Obama administration / John Kerry do.

      Remember Egypt - coup - no question about but the military aide keeps flowing.

      I remember Kerry made a statement to the effect of "the law does not require us to make a determination if a coup has occurred."

      I am going to try it next time I get pulled over, "sure office the law says I have to comply with all visible traffic control devices, it does not say I have to look to see if they are there!" oh wait I am guess that isn't go fly for me the little guy.

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    28. Re: NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to do what we can to keep a presence in the area since war criminals Bush and Cheny cooked intelligence to destabilize the region. You think Obama would have invaded with the truth that is coming out about what happened?

      Stop it with your rhetoric. Cause there's enough for everyone.

    29. Re: NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant minority, not majority.

    30. Re: NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So old it doesn't appear in any Chinese books, and was known only to a secret cabal until someone blabbed it in a letter in the early 20th century.

    31. Re: NATO by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Indeed I did. Clearly you're not a Turk.

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    32. Re: NATO by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      And it failed- nearly 1600 members of the military have been arrested.

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  4. military coup in Turkey? by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the goats are out for revenge.

  5. seems not to be blocked all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i am in contact with some two ppl within turkey over facebook, they say blocked from time to time, and not sure for how long...

  6. What a Turkey that place must be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heyo!

  7. Re:Eat it up, apologists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Muhammad is still fucking non-Muslims up the ass 1500 years later.

    The Religion of Peace!

    Look, if it was the US Army kicking Obama out, you'd be happy with it.

  8. That's the way to do it! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Late Friday afternoon when people are looking to the weekend. By they time they get back to work on Monday, everything will be in hand.

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    1. Re:That's the way to do it! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In this case, it looks like they waited until Erdogan was outside the country on holiday.

      Mind you, an alternative explanation is that Erdogan saw this coming and hightailed it before they could get a hold of him.

      The difference between the two explanations is whether his suitcases are packed with swimming trunks or bars of gold.

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    2. Re:That's the way to do it! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Would be interesting to see him swimming in swimming trunks with suitcases full with bars of golds in his hands.

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  9. If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not normally a fan of military coups, but Erdogan was a frickin' menace and had it coming. The Turkish military has always done a better job running that country then the politicians the Turks elect for themselves.

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    1. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      In those countries, the "elections", if there are any meaningful ones to begin with, are usually along religious lines instead of political ones. The party with the most adherents (Muslims) win. They never fail to reinstate theocratic rules and suppress or eradicate non-Muslims (mostly other sects of Muslims such as the Kurds in Turkey).

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    2. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I generally agree. The Turkish military has long had high standing in Turkey and though they might be frightening when they replace a civilian government... the military invariably steps aside without much drama and allows a new civilian government.

      My rule is that military coups are always bad. They always result in police states, massive repression, torture, repudiation of human rights, you name it. Except in Turkey. Turkey is like the exception that proves the rule. Only in Turkey can a military coup have a positive outcome. It's the strangest thing!

      Frankly I had really hoped that Turkey had moved beyond needing the military for this role. That is disappointing. The Turks even threw out Erdogan at the polls a couple of years ago, only to have a snap election that brought him back. Perhaps the first instinct of the Turks was the correct one, and second thoughts their undoing.

    3. Re: If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if by "steps aside" you mean "waits until someone else is elected who spends on civil services before military pork barrel contracts and then ousts them too".

    4. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      There are only two saecular countries in the world.
      France and Turkey.

      are usually along religious lines instead of political ones
      You are an idiot.

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    5. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very convincing. One wrong statement followed by an insult. No wonder why people don't upvote you anymore.

    6. Re: If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turkish democracy failed because Obama failed to exercise any US leadership in Iraq and Syria. Now we have another failed state in the Middle East for ISIS to consolidate. World War just became more likely.

    7. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Kurds are an ethnic group, not a sect. Most of them are Sunni.

      The AKP lost their majority in the election last June... but that just resulted in a hung parliament and a new election where the people voted for the AKP by a wide margin because they decided stability was more important.

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    8. Re: If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go take you Obama-butthurt somewhere that fucking cares, whiner. No one gives two shits about your idiotic foreign affairs brainqueefs. All of the shit going down in the Middle East right now is due to one presidency. It sure as shit isn't the current one. And the shit going down in Turkey is a home-grown mess of their own making.

    9. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Egypt too, at least the most recent one.

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    10. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, my.

      There are only two saecular countries in the world.

      False. There are more.

      France and Turkey.

      France, maybe. Turkey, not so much, at least not in recent history, nor in older, so no, not so much.

      are usually along religious lines instead of political ones

      They do tend to be, according to history.

      You are an idiot.

      You are the obvious idiot here. There may be others as well, but you truly stand out in your blatant idiocy. Well done. Your low uid makes it worse. You should know better.

    11. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, chink.

    12. Re:If Any Country Needed a Coup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would really depend on who you ask. Next you'll be offering up Honduras as an example. ;)

  10. Re:Eat it up, apologists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, if it was the US Army kicking Obama out, you'd be happy with it.

    Don't tease me like that!!!

  11. I'm surprised its taken this long. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Recep Tayyip Erdoan has tried destroying the constitution and the spirit of ataturk's secular state of Turkey. This is a benevolent coup to restore the normal order of turkey, and has happened many times when dictators try to take the country a different way.

    1. Re:I'm surprised its taken this long. by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to give Ataturk credit. There aren't a lot of secular rulers who have cast as long a shadow as he has.

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    2. Re:I'm surprised its taken this long. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You have to give Ataturk credit. There aren't a lot of secular rulers who have cast as long a shadow as he has.

      He had some lucky breaks. When he was a young colonel, his passion for reform made some enemies ... so he was exiled to a remote outpost of no significance called "Gallipoli". In the Spring of 1915, when the Allied forces went ashore there, commanded by some of the most incompetent generals in history, they were facing a Turkish commander at the top of the cliffs, who was one of the best.

      In a British poll, he was rated as one of the greatest foes of the British Empire, along with George Washington, Napoleon, and Rommel.

    3. Re: I'm surprised its taken this long. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "benevolent coup"... Against a democratically elected government there is no such thing.

  12. Re:Eat it up, apologists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not at all. That type of regime change is the worst. Almost guaranteed to have war spilling into the streets. Marshall Law etc...

  13. Re:Eat it up, apologists! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    Turkey has been through this before. They know the drill. Keep your head down, wait for the new constitution, and then back to normal. Rinse and repeat.

    Perhaps the biggest mistake within and outside Turkey was assuming Erdogan's position was as secure as it seemed.

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  14. Darn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess I'll have to jack off.

  15. Putin's revenge by Trachman · · Score: 0

    Just a theory: Putin stirred certain people and certain places and the coup happened.

    Russians are spending truly monstrous amount of money to their intelligence service and to their agents. Since Erdogan, with all his flaws and corruption, was one of the leaders who said ***k you, Putin. Erdogan had it coming.

    Why this theory has some credibility? The truth is that those who are observant could see that Putin's regime (just like Soviet's regime before him) is trying to have a voice and an influence, through either extreme right or extreme left movements in most of the key countries of the world. Erdogan did not play ball, thus he was a fair game in Russian's geopolitical games.

    1. Re:Putin's revenge by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, I doubt that greatly. The one thing Turkey has long been is very anti-Russian. The sentiments are very old, dating back to the Ottoman period. Erdogan has been pushing buttons for a few years now, and while everyone thought he had sufficiently emasculated the army to prevent a coup, clearly he had not.

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    2. Re:Putin's revenge by Trachman · · Score: 0

      There is no proof yet, and probably it will never surface.

      However undermining one of the largest NATO country is Putin's wet dream.

      The theory will be confirmed, if after the coup the Kurds will announce their independence. If they will ... it will confirm Russia's recent promises to partition the Turkey.

    3. Re:Putin's revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recep Tayyip Erdoan did not play ball to the secular state, that is what this is all about.

    4. Re:Putin's revenge by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Not only that, military instability in Turkey could well result in major disruption to maritime traffic through the Bosporus - political treaties not withstanding - and the one country that stands to lose the most from that is Russia since the Black Sea contains all their western deep water ports that don't freeze up in winter. When you are engaged in a military campaign and propping up the regime of an ally in Syria the last thing you'd want do is to risk losing the ability to supply them by sea.

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    5. Re: Putin's revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No actually it is about a bunch of fucking tanks and if they are going to shoot unarmed civilians to show who is in charge.

    6. Re:Putin's revenge by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      Nope. The coup happened a few days after Russia and Turkey decided to normalize relations. It is more likely the United States is behind the coup because of Turkey's recent actions.

    7. Re:Putin's revenge by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Russia could initiate a limited peacekeeping action to maintain order and provide humanitarian aid along the Bosporus and a small (200 mile) area either side of it.

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  16. take the fucking videos horizontally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like fucking seriously

  17. They've joined NATO in 1952... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Since then they had a coup about once a decade.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1960 one ended with hanging of Prime Minister, Minister of Labor and Finance and Minister of Foreign Affairs.
    1980 one ended with 50 (official) executions and half a million arrests.

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  18. Blocked? No routing around the damage? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    What is the status of circumvention efforts? Radio, mesh, ISPs just outside the border, anything? I would like to know if anybody is providing assistance in getting the word in and out of the country.

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  19. Holy shit by somenickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is a genuine coup, the repercussions are going to be felt across the world. A lot of people might think that Turkey is some backwards country adjacent to Europe but, it's basically the bridge between the Middle East and Europe. It's a modern country with an advanced military and very close ties to almost all western countries. Middle Eastern immigrants almost inevitably travel through Turkey and their policies (for better or worse) play a huge role in determining how that happens. Chaos in Turkey is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. It's practically the worst possible place to have a coup.

    1. Re:Holy shit by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Except it is a backwards country adjacent to Europe. And they are far less important than you think. Hell, Putin brought the country to its knees just by suggesting that Russians should go on vacation elsewhere.

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    2. Re:Holy shit by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Until 2003 the, the Turkish military actually had the constitutional power to dissolve the government. The military acting to restore a secular government is a long tradition in Turkey - this isn't a banana republic-style coup. This is part of the traditional (and until recently, constitutional) power of the Turkish military.

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  20. class warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In many societies, the military is driven by the middle class and when government becomes too 'oppressive', the part of the middle class with guns and authority takes charge of their self-indulgent masters. As a form of check and balance, maybe Thailand doesn't have enough coups since the political corruption never ends. But Fiji definitely has too many coups, driven by some assumed attack on their class.

  21. Re:Eat it up, apologists! by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Marshall Law etc...

    Marshall Law? Sounds like a HIMYM spinoff.

  22. Re:Eat it up, apologists! by tsqr · · Score: 1

    Marshall Law

    Is he related to Judge Dredd? Or were you referring to martial law?

  23. Erdogan requested asylum in Germany by Lisandro · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just moments ago. Seems it was promptly rejected.

    1. Re:Erdogan requested asylum in Germany by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Merkel's revenge. Erdogan seemed to enjoy putting her over a barrel over the Syrian refugee crisis. Well, now the Iron Chancellor has her boot on his neck.

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    2. Re:Erdogan requested asylum in Germany by somenickname · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there just a big tussle about him taking legal action against a German comedian who made fun of him? After that, I wouldn't even let the guy sleep on my guest bed...

    3. Re:Erdogan requested asylum in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I so want see the cartoonists depiction of that scenario! Preferably with Merkel wearing some military style fetish clothes, Apokolips style, and Erdogan with his holiday luggage spread out on the ground, with the yellow duck and tourist guides to Azerbaijan and Armenia.

    4. Re: Erdogan requested asylum in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait for the Turkish refugees

    5. Re:Erdogan requested asylum in Germany by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 2

      Merkel's revenge.

      I had a case of that, after I ate some bad sauerkraut.

    6. Re:Erdogan requested asylum in Germany by kackle · · Score: 1

      Lol.

  24. In all honesty by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    ...the reddit thread is running a higher signal-to-noise ratio than this one.

  25. I hope it goes without bloodshed ... by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... and I hope the military wins and reestablishes a working Kemalism.

    Erdogan was a huge leap backwards for Turkey. They need to reestablish secularism and seperation of power.
    And new rules and a new democratic election.

    Keep your fingers crossed.
    My thoughts and hopes are with Turkey now. Yours should be too.

    My 2 Eurocents.

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    1. Re:I hope it goes without bloodshed ... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Who the hell are you to decide what's right and wrong for Turkey? That's nobody's business but the Turks. They'll decide for themselves what they want to have, and if Islam is what they want then that's what they get. Erdogan was elected democratically.

      You're actually supporting a military coup over a democratic leader. Your intellectual process divided by zero at some point and now you're generating nonsensical conclusions.

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    2. Re:I hope it goes without bloodshed ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell are you to decide what's right and wrong for Germany in 1933....

      Fuck you man.

    3. Re:I hope it goes without bloodshed ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That's nobody's business but the Turks.

      Should we burst into song at this point?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    4. Re:I hope it goes without bloodshed ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell are you to decide what's right and wrong for Turkey?

      People who are concerned. Also, they are not deciding anything, are they? They are expressing opinions of what they think should be decided. Just as you are.

      Calm down a notch, eh?

      That's nobody's business but the Turks.

      False. As member - or wannabe member - of the EU, it's the whole of EU's business.

      They'll decide for themselves what they want to have, and if Islam is what they want then that's what they get.

      Not if they want to get in and remain within EU, it isn't. As a member of Nato, it's also the whole of Nato's business. If Turkey gets the fuck out of both EU and Nato, then yes, it's their own business. But that's not the current state of things.

      Erdogan was elected democratically.

      That's a rather gross simplification of the actual process that took place, as you should well know. Technically kind of correct. In reality, not quite as much.

      You're actually supporting a military coup over a democratic leader.

      Erdogan himself is anything but democratic. He has said so himself. Repeatedly. How ignorant are you, really?

      Your intellectual process divided by zero at some point and now you're generating nonsensical conclusions.

      Oh, the irony...

    5. Re:I hope it goes without bloodshed ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

      Who the hell are you to decide what's right and wrong for Turkey? That's nobody's business but the Turks. They'll decide for themselves what they want to have, and if Islam is what they want then that's what they get. Erdogan was elected democratically.

      So was Hitler. The point about democracy is that even its elected leaders have to follow its rules. Which Erdogan evidently doesn't. He redoes the constitution to suit his whim, cleanses Universities, locks away people not in party line, removes power from the courts, incites witch-hunts, has close to 300 charges for "insulting the president" ongoing including the incarceration of minors, etc. I'm not the guy to ask for military coups and apparently, as news rolls in, this isn't quite the usual coup but some other faction just as backwards as the guy in charge. Also, it didn't go without bloodshed. ~300 people dead. Not what anybody wanted.

      But (big BUT): Now that Erdogan apparently has come out on top he'll probably turn turkey into a theo- and autocratic state even more so. I hope he doesn't, but I don't expect anything else from a guy who builds himself a presidential palace with 1000 rooms on tax money desperately needed elsewhere or does the things I mentioned above.

      Make no mistake, Turkey is on the downslope and unless Erdogan takes this occasion to take a step back and start repairing the divide between conservative ismalists and kemalists, I see dark times coming up for Turkey. It's under this impression that one might had hoped for a coup that sort of works our for everybody in the end, but I guess those hopes weren't warranted.

      My 2 cents.

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    6. Re:I hope it goes without bloodshed ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell are you to decide what's right and wrong for Turkey? That's nobody's business but the Turks. They'll decide for themselves what they want to have, and if Islam is what they want then that's what they get. Erdogan was elected democratically.

      You're actually supporting a military coup over a democratic leader. Your intellectual process divided by zero at some point and now you're generating nonsensical conclusions.

      Pure majority rule isn't the end of all of just government. The state should protect minority rights against the tyranny of the majority. An Islamic government (or one based on any religion) is inevitably going to infringe the rights of citizens, and should be stopped, even if it happens to be elected by a majority.

  26. Actually not too worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The military there have done this sort of thing before, and they are or at least were very staunch defenders of Ataturk's vision for a secular Turkey. Erdogan, by contrast, is a tin pot dictator who totally had it coming. In his own words, "Democracy is like a train: when you reach your destination, you get off." His destination is that of an islamic Turkey. He has said so often enough, you can see it in his policies, there is no doubt about it.

    Well, he just got thrown off the train for making a right mess of things, and good riddance. I sincerely hope so, at any rate.

    It hopefully opens the door, to, say, Turkey supporting the Kurds fighting IS, who're so far the only effective ones, and could do without Turkey bombing them in turn. We too needed that to stop, so this is a step in the right direction. We, the European people, also very much need Turkey to be secular, that with the eurocrats bent on getting Turkey to join up in all but a name. (Well, not entirely: Erdogan was blackmailing them with his supposed power to stop the refugee flood for easy access to the EU for his muslim hordes, and they let themselves be hauled over the barrel. But that's another story.)

    Anyway, for now I cautiously see this as a positive development. But of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what they do next.

    1. Re:Actually not too worried by somenickname · · Score: 1

      I don't know enough about Erdogan to condemn or condone him. I do know that Turkey plays a vital role in world politics and any kind of chaos there, at this point in time, is going to have very far reaching implications. And probably not positive ones.

      At the very least, there is now a German comedian who is breathing a sigh of relief. And maybe Boris can print some t-shirts with his poem about Erdogan fucking a goat without retribution.

    2. Re:Actually not too worried by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Or maybe not. If Erdogan is well and truly deposed (and it's certainly beginning to look that way), then he'll probably have more time on his hand to fight the few battles left for him to fight.

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    3. Re:Actually not too worried by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      The military there have done this sort of thing before, and they are or at least were very staunch defenders of Ataturk's vision for a secular Turkey.

      So Turkey's air force is more secular then the US air force?

    4. Re:Actually not too worried by somenickname · · Score: 1

      I think the Slashdot community as a whole has very little experience in "deciding what to do as a deposed leader of a country". Personally, I'd fly to Buenos Aires and just vanish. Women, wine and great food. They also have a sketchy history of letting "undesirable" people into the country. Though, someone should warn Erdogan that if you overstay your tourist visa for long enough, they will kick you out. Nazis? Sure, no problem. somenickname? NOT WELCOME.

    5. Re:Actually not too worried by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Turkey plays a vital role in world politics? Since when? They have coups regularly. The last one was in the 80's I think. The world did not end.

    6. Re: Actually not too worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be positive for the Kurds if they can take advantage of a Turkish civil war to establish a greater Kurdistan as they have in Iraq and Syria.

      For the rest of the world it probably means more refugees and more instability.

  27. MIlitary are shooting civilians now by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    Euronews just played footage of the Turkish military firing at a crowd trying to clear a bridge in Istanbul. Damn.

  28. Re: Eat it up, apologists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's spelled marshmallow.

  29. Is Putin next? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Likely not. But the world would be better off without Putin and Erdogan.

    The danger in our world is not "Terrorism" but the people behind it.

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    1. Re:Is Putin next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing wrong with Putin, he's a good guy. Besides, the US is the creator of terrorism.

  30. We have fat turkeys out here in California.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And quite a few of them are big enough to be scary to larger predators, and can fly up into the trees (Like I've seen them leap and fly into 40 ft trees before, up into the upper branches.)

    From what I've heard, a few of them have even leaped from said trees and attacked people passing by. If they got any more aggressive they would be a major menace in some areas out here. As it is they are mostly an ecological disaster and a nuisance around here.

  31. urges the Turkish people to convene by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a bit ironic that he wants people to gather in public to defend his leadership when he didn't have problems with using force to get rid of peaceful protesters in the past few years, f.ex. in Gezi Park 2013 or last month at the gay pride parade in Istanbul.

  32. coups happen when a government is too crooked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government of Turkey is trying to rally the people by using the media to demonize the military? While he is blocking websites?

    The people should thank the military for getting rid of a tyrannical government. Overreach by government ends in that government (employees of tax payers) dying over and over throughout history.

    In America, the government already robbed the public blindly and spent it on electronic surveillance thinking they were smarter than those in the past. tsk tsk Murica

  33. Also unrest in Belgium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As usual Belgian Turks are rioting in the streets here in my village of a few thousands. Police can't control the situation, several cars have been destroyed, the mosque is constantly broadcasting Turkish messages which seem to incite even more hatred towards everything that is not Turkish, especially the police and the cars of the average working people are the main target.

    This has been going on for a few hours. I've already lost my sleep after the attacks in Nice, when the same kind of people where cheering for yet another successful attack on Western values. Now they see a Turkish military coup again as a western plan. The inhabitants of a mid sized village in Belgium that have welcomed many immigrants from all over the world are the evil, privileged that have to be punished for something that happens in Turkey... Thanks for this enriching multicultural experiment.... and please keep looking away, dear leaders.

    What is happening? Are our European leaders just ignorant or are they having a plan and see this as collateral damage, or do they really want to destroy our Humanist-Christian society out of white guilt? Extreme right is in almost every country the biggest party. And everything that's happening and the usual 'we condemn all violence' reaction while doing nothing and looking away will make extreme right stronger and stronger.

  34. Crazy Crazy Stuff... by RdeCourtney · · Score: 1

    Helicopters firing into crowds and the intelligence building http://www.liveleak.com/view?i... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i... Tanks running over people, killing many - crazy stuff..

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    1. Re:Crazy Crazy Stuff... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Come on, that video shows fire at a target. You can't see the target, you can't see who or what is at it, and there's certainly no signs it's a "crowd".

  35. As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1
  36. the coup may have been staged by erdogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so he could come out of it as the big winner and have a good excuse to kill adversaries

  37. USA can do the same thing by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    Regardless of the president, you know good and well, the elitist in DC that control this country, have an "off" switch to turn off pretty much anything they want.