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The Case Against a Universal Basic Income (vox.com)

An anonymous Slashdot reader writes: A prominent think tank founder argues that a Universal Basic Income is more likely to increase poverty than decrease it. Robert Greenstein, president of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, estimates just in the U.S. the cost would reach $3 trillion a year, "close to 100 percent of all tax revenue the federal government collects... A UBI that's financed primarily by tax increases would require the American people to accept a level of taxation that vastly exceeds anything in U.S. history..."

In a long interview with Vox, he warns that "If you have big, very expensive, and therefore highly politically unrealistic proposals, then I worry that people will look at them and say, 'Okay, we can do one or two pieces,' and too often the pieces that get selected out are pieces where a lot of the money goes to the middle or upper middle class... even UBI's staunchest supporters say we can get there in 15 to 20 years. I am totally not comfortable with any policy prescription that says we wait 15 to 20 years to deal with very deep poverty." He suggests instead focussing on the neediest people first, possibly by subsidizing jobs programs and making housing more affordable.

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  1. The Republicans want to make everyone work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    They'll never allow UBI.

    1. Re:The Republicans want to make everyone work by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0, Troll

      An honest person does not expect to be paid for doing nothing. A person who does nothing deserves nothing. Do you not believe in the action of moral law?

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    2. Re: The Republicans want to make everyone work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      It is a trivial task to ban unearned income. It is fundamental to many of the world's religions, including Christianity (a banker could not receive a Catholic funeral or marriage or any other sacrament until the 1960s). It was arguably central to World War II and was one of the major popular political stances of the National Socialists.

    3. Re:The Republicans want to make everyone work by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: -1, Troll

      So, you mean the Government should ensure private opportunities for people, not just ensure equal Governmental opportunities. Basically it should determine who gets what and when, right?

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    4. Re:The Republicans want to make everyone work by Dog-Cow · · Score: -1, Troll

      Who the fuck are you replying to, you stupid shit? So you're a landlord. Big fucking deal. How about you earn a few billion dollars and then come back and tell us how hard you have it. We're talking about people who could literally sit in an empty room and be fed regularly for every single second of the remainder of their lives and still not run out of money. They can literally do nothing and not run out of money. You are so far away from that, you may as well be a subsistence farmer for all the relevance you have to this conversation.

  2. Refute this - Tell me why you think I'm wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The leading cause of "racism" is contact with blacks. Until they wise up, father their own kids, and stop this moronic thug-gangsta shit, that will remain the case.

    Did you really think it's all just an aversion to melanin? Hardly. Black males are about 6.5% and commit just over 50% of all US murders. There is good reason to avoid them.

    If they change then my view of them will change too. It's just that simple. How is that unfair? Do tell. Make your case. Don't be a pussy and just mod it down. Talk to me. Explain the superiority of your view. With blacks we've tried everything - except holding them responsible for their values and choices. It's been a disaster. So tell me why they should not be evaluated on what they have achieved.

  3. Re:tax the rich by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1, Troll

    Is it "fair" that people who work hard and effectively, get their money stolen from them to make your hallucination into reality?

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  4. Re:Cut the universal work week by fustakrakich · · Score: 1, Troll

    My favorite would be 30 hour week, 5 six hour days, at a minimum of $600/week*, and there would be four shifts. And nobody should be required to work more than 10 years before being allowed to collect their social security (absent UBI). I'm not concerned about it being expensive because our prosperity warrants it and can easily afford it. There is plenty of money that is presently sequestered in the stock/commodities/derivatives markets to go around, so the people that say "work or starve" can go to hell.

    But automation and UBI have to be inseparable, a matched set. Prices should go down as the robots fill in.

    * the analogy goes like this, nobody should have to work more than an hour to buy a case of decent beer. So this can work in any country.

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  5. Re:That huge cost by AK+Marc · · Score: 1, Troll

    When you consider the number of people who join the military as a form of UBI, we are probably close to it. And look at FairTax. They want UBI, just set unlivable low, and FairTax is a conservative idea with Conservative backers. Make the "prebate" in FairTax higher, and you have a conservative-created UBI program.

  6. But but but by Snotnose · · Score: -1, Troll

    I deserve $2k/month for doing nothing. I'm special. I shouldn't have to fight traffic twice a day to suffer under an asshole boss who doesn't understand my special issues. My cat needs me, he shouldn't miss lunch nor think I've abandoned him 10 hours a day.