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EFF Is Suing the US Government To Invalidate the DMCA's DRM Provisions (boingboing.net)

Cory Doctorow, writes for BoingBoing: The Electronic Frontier Foundation has just filed a lawsuit that challenges the Constitutionality of Section 1201 of the DMCA, the "Digital Rights Management" provision of the law, a notoriously overbroad law that bans activities that bypass or weaken copyright access-control systems, including reconfiguring software-enabled devices (making sure your IoT light-socket will accept third-party lightbulbs; tapping into diagnostic info in your car or tractor to allow an independent party to repair it) and reporting security vulnerabilities in these devices. EFF is representing two clients in its lawsuit: Andrew "bunnie" Huang, a legendary hardware hacker whose NeTV product lets users put overlays on DRM-restricted digital video signals; and Matthew Green, a heavyweight security researcher at Johns Hopkins who has an NSF grant to investigate medical record systems and whose research plans encompass the security of industrial firewalls and finance-industry "black boxes" used to manage the cryptographic security of billions of financial transactions every day. Both clients reflect the deep constitutional flaws in the DMCA, and both have standing to sue the US government to challenge DMCA 1201 because of its serious criminal provisions (5 years in prison and a $500K fine for a first offense).Doctorow has explained aspects of this for The Guardian today. You should also check Huang's blog post on this.

93 comments

  1. Great news by AlexChernetz · · Score: 2

    Although I have no idea why it took this long.

    1. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Great news by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since you didn't bother reading the article, I will give you the relevant part. Their complaint "builds on two recent Supreme Court precedents (Golan and Eldred), in which the Supremes stated that the only way to reconcile free speech with copyright's ability to restrict who may utter certain words and expressions is fair use and other exemptions to copyright, which means that laws that don't take fair use into account fail to pass constitutional muster."

    3. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." Declaration of Independence

    4. Re: Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish them well with this and I'm going to give them money, but money of course is a huge problem now. This is a government and a court that finds things Constitutional or not based on what corporations want, and corporations and law enforcement want broad, hard to interpret laws that can be used to put little people in jail for the 'crime' of bothering the powerful. The DMCA is a terrible law that has been abused more than used, just like how the allegedly anti terrorism Patriot Act is mostly used to prosecute petty drug crimes, quell dissent and anti corporate behavior and other things nobody wants to give up a shred of freedom over.

    5. Re:Great news by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well if you are going to invalidate a US Congressional Approved Law that was Signed by the President of the United States (2 out of the 3 parts of the US Checks and Balances). You better be sure that you have as much data to prove your case to the Judicial System as possible. Poorly presenting your case and if it goes to the Supreme Court and your loose makes it nearly impossible to fight the case again.
      Much like how the conservatives fought over states rights for same sex marriages, in essence caused it to be legal in the entire state, because their defence of their stance wasn't backed up. If they didn't bring the case up, they may had a chance keeping what they perceive as a problem limited to only those LiBeRaL states.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    6. Re:Great news by OfficeLackey · · Score: 1

      ...which means that laws that don't take fair use into account fail to pass constitutional muster."

      AMEN!!

    7. Re:Great news by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Because it is hard to sue the government.

      First, you have to have standing. You can't just go "oh, this law sucks and would affect me so I'm going to sue." You really have to wait for the government or third-party to prosecute you, then defend yourself. Then you *might* have standing to sue the government. Also, you need to have a better case than "I wanna watch anime in my Mom's basement." So far, many security researches have either not been sued, or they haven't stood up to defend themselves.

      It is also tough to find out who exactly to sue. The approach here is that, since the DMCA gives the library of congress (LOC) the power to create DMCA exemptions, they can sue the LOC. They are also suing the copyright office and the department of justice (DOJ). Copyright office seems logical too, but I am unsure why the DOJ is on the list.

      It's also really really expensive.

    8. Re:Great news by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      Representatives of the MPAA/RIAA inform the US Gov't of the bad news over a free cup of coffee. US Gov't: "Yawns".

    9. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it was more due to seemingly "unrelated" decisions that pretty much sledgehammer the whole thing.

      The precedents set in Golan and Eldred state that the only way to reconcile free speech (First Amendment requirement...) with Copyright's ability who may utter certain words and expressions is fair use and other exemptions- and laws that do not take those exemptions into account (Such as the DMCA...) fail to pass Constitutional muster.

      Basically, this is coming through and sledgehammering a law out of existence in the large by way of pointing to the law and precedent as a person with Standing (Huang, Green) who're very much impacted by said Unconstutional Law. This is a cleanup pass, to be blunt. I'm honestly glad they're doing it.

    10. Re:Great news by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's worth mentioning that the DMCA has a provision for "fair use" sorts of things, which is that the library of congress (every three years) will review what you want to do, and then approve it or disapprove it. So they had to wait until the Library of Congress actually met, and then disapproved something that is quite reasonable and likely to win a case.

      So finally, in 2015, the Library of Congress met and rejected certain things that seem quite reasonable and defensible under the first amendment. In response, the EFF is not only asking that those things be approved, but also that the entire "Library of Congress as gatekeeper" thing be ruled unconstitutional.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    11. Re:Great news by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Why the DOJ? Who do you think is charged with enforcing the criminal penalties (5 years/$500K) in the DMCA?

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    12. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad you spelled it LiBeRaL, it really completes the mental picture I have of people who go around bashing "liberals" (or any nonsensical overgeneralization of a term) as angsty kindergartners.

    13. Re:Great news by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Much like how the conservatives fought over states rights for same sex marriages, in essence caused it to be legal in the entire state, because their defence of their stance wasn't backed up. If they didn't bring the case up, they may had a chance keeping what they perceive as a problem limited to only those LiBeRaL states.

      You mean "that thar passage in the bible told me so!" isn't a valid legal argument?

    14. Re: Great news by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      a court that finds things Constitutional or not based on what corporations want

      tbh I don't think that's true for the supreme court.....or for most lower courts either. It's not like they need to win a re-election.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    15. Re: Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      corporations and law enforcement want broad, hard to interpret laws that can be used to put little people in jail for the 'crime' of bothering the powerful.

      And the proper way to deal with that kind of law is to turn it around. "Broad and hard to interpret?". Use that to sue the powerful then! They use bogus lawsuits agaisnt the little people - tie them up in the same kind of bogus lawsuits. In some cases, you may need the backing of orgs like the EFF - the powerful have the money for big lawsuits after all. But They will get very bored with this - and then the silly law evaporates.

    16. Re:Great news by shentino · · Score: 1

      The LoC gatekeeping thing is just cannon fodder to placate the masses so that exceptions to the DMCA get temporarily lifted for three years. There is no intention to do anything other than feed the sheep a temporary respite while the vast majority of things keep going indefinitely.

    17. Re: Great news by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You should check out SCOTUSblog, you don't have to just think of the Court as the Ebil Gubermint, you can actually follow along everything the Court does, and read their decisions. They give detailed explanations for most of the things that they do. And there are always "corporations" on both sides of any issue, so no need to worry that that prevents them from deciding things whichever way they want.

    18. Re: Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May the dmca and it's creators rot in cow pies for all eternity. Also, I disagree with the law enforcement part. Police have bigger fish to fry than someone ripping music/videos etc. If anything it would make their lives easier not having to enforce that. They rarely are involved in these kinds of cases. The DMCA really is only enforced by corporations and their tyrant army of lawyers and purchased politicians.

    19. Re:Great news by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      When did the Supremes start practicing law? When did they reform?

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  2. Dear manishs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You might want to put a link to EFF's donate page. Thanks.

  3. Need to get trump on board by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Need to get trump on board

    1. Re:Need to get trump on board by mmell · · Score: 4, Funny
      And then on the foredeck . . .

      and then on the plank . . .

    2. Re:Need to get trump on board by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Being that the DMCA was signed by Bill Clinton. I bet you can use that as an argument to go against it. However I think (And I am too lazy at the moment to look it up) at the time the Legislative branch was republican controlled, but why let facts get in the way of political postering.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    3. Re:Need to get trump on board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Har har. Enjoy your pathological liar and her rapist husband.

    4. Re:Need to get trump on board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After that we watch him hop on a shark's back for a ride back to shore.
      The shark looks up and explains, "Professional courtesy."

    5. Re:Need to get trump on board by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      We get stuck on the left vs right thing way too often. There should also be some words that indicates whether the pol is a corporate jackass or not. Bill and Hillary are definite corporatists. So is Trump, but he's also a dangerous idiot.

    6. Re:Need to get trump on board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Har har. Enjoy your pathological liar and her rapist husband.

      There are, in fact, some actual reasons one might dislike Hillary Clinton. But stating that she has a "rapist" husband-- that is, making shit up--pushes me the other direction. When the arguments that people come up with to not vote for her with are made-up garbage, it tends to make me think better of her, not worse.

    7. Re:Need to get trump on board by mmell · · Score: 1

      I thought Chris Christie was more like a marine mammal than a shark.

    8. Re:Need to get trump on board by mmell · · Score: 1

      Which one - Hillary or Melania?

    9. Re:Need to get trump on board by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      There is a word for that. It's 'politician'.

  4. repeal a law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, the federal government has not, with very few exceptions, ever repealed or reduced any laws.
    I don't expect this to be changed. Lobbyists, greedy congressmen, and the strangely rigid-standing FBI (stick up the ass)
    will fight any change that they see as detrimental to their well-being.... or profit... or perks, whatever.

  5. There's an excellent reason for that. by mmell · · Score: 1
    We all agreed to the law (or at least, in theory a majority of us enacted this law). It's a classic demonstration of the weakness of our form of republican democracy - the wisdom of a few who crafted our government included a constitution which prohibits certain activities which the voting majority may wish to permit. Thus, racism and slavery (for example) while once quite popular among voting citizens are no longer permissible, even if we vote for a law which violates that prohibition. Now, we have the DMCA - a law we must collectively have agreed to, as it is no long merely a bill but a law. It now remains for a "minority" such as a special interest group like the EFF to prove that we (collectively) were wrong to enact the DMCA because it violates certain constitutional prohibitions.

    Change is always harder than the status quo.

    1. Re:There's an excellent reason for that. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 0

      > Now, we have the DMCA - a law we must collectively have agreed to, as it is no long merely a bill but a law.

      I call bullshit on this. If we did have representative democracy that time is past. Now it's a charade. I know that the rep for my Congressional district affectively is a representation for ALEC, the US Chamber of Commerce, and other entities that give him campaign cash. I wouldn't say that DMCA is something at this point in history that we collectively agreed to. Supreme Court cases like Citizen's United have affectively taken away our representation in government. You're opinion sent to your Congressperson does NOT hold nearly the weight it did before in the big money era as it did earlier in the history of the US.

      The only way we can get any representation at all is to form our own groups like the EFF, but at least by my reading the Constitution didn't intend for that to be the case.

    2. Re:There's an excellent reason for that. by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      We all agreed to the law

      We certainly did not all agree to the law. I'm one of those who never agreed to it; I'm certain there are plenty more.

      or at least, in theory a majority of us enacted this law

      Closer, but still not accurate. There was no popular vote on this specific issue, and no expression of active support by a majority of the population.

      Now, we have the DMCA - a law we must collectively have agreed to, as it is no long merely a bill but a law.

      Only if by "must collectively have agreed to" you actually mean "supported by a majority of voting representatives, selected in many cases by a plurality (not majority) of voters in their districts on the basis of a variety of issues having nothing to do with the DMCA".

      The public never agreed to this law. The public was never consulted. Our role in the process was merely a lack of active resistence to a law introduced by and supported by a vocal minority of copyright maximalists, back at a time when this seemed like a niche issue of little concern to the average person—before computers (and DRM) had invaded every aspect of everyday life.

      If you put copyright—the whole system—up to a straightforward single-issue popular referendum right now, there is a decent chance that it would be repealed, or at least severely curtailed. For the DMCA in particular that probability goes from "likely" to "almost certainly". A significant portion of many politician's jobs (from their employers in the pro-copyright lobby, not their nominal constituents) comes down to making sure the issue is never put before the public in such simple terms.

      --
      "The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
  6. What about enforcing anti trust and other laws by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    What about enforcing anti trust and other laws so the DMCA abuse does get as bad as it is? Or you do want an apple car that must do oil changes each 3000 miles at the dealer with an a cost of $100-150 or the car will go in an limp home mode?

  7. Motion for Summary Judgment and Dismissal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government will move for summary judgment and dismissal, and the court will grant it.

  8. An easy way to contribute to the EFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you haven't already done so, visit smile dot amazon dot com and select the EFF as the recipient of the contributions that amazon will make when you buy things from them. Then shop starting at that same URL. Nothing else to do ever. You shop like normal, EFF gets a donation each time you do. There are certainly other charities you can choose from, but I would suspect that this community would hold the EFF in pretty high regard.

  9. Good luck, and godspeed! by Varka · · Score: 1

    We're all counting on you!

  10. the complaint by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the complaint, in case anyone wants to read it.

    Their argument in brief: those provisions of the DMCA are preventing people from expressing themselves (free speech) which violates the first amendment. The Library of Congress is supposed to approve various exemptions to the DMCA for the purpose of research (or other), but the LoC failed to do so (in 2015). Even if the LoC had correctly fulfilled their duty, having them as a gatekeeper on what speech is allowed violates the first amendment.

    This is a great lawsuit, I can't wait to see what the government's response will be. Incidentally, there is a third plaintiff besides the two mentioned in the summary, a company called Alphamax (but I've never heard of them).

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:the complaint by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Funny

      The government's response? LOL, you Republicans crack me up. We elected President Hope & Change 7 years ago in case you forgot, and we now have the most transparent government in history which works for the *people*, not big Republican-donating industries like the movie industry.

      The government's response will be quite predictable: the EFF is correct and we need to quit enforcing these Republican corporatist crony laws right now!

      I can't wait to see the looks on those Hollywood Republican's faces when Obama tells his Justice Department lawyers to give it to them good and hard! For the People!

    2. Re:the complaint by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The government's response will be quite predictable: the EFF is correct and we need to quit enforcing these Republican corporatist crony laws right now!

      You're being sarcastic, but the reality is the government does have to respond, and they do have to give an answer that seems halfway reasonable, which actually, in this case is hard. So if you're the kind of person who likes reading legal fights, this is a moment to sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

      Especially since the outcome is likely to be so good.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:the complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their argument in brief: those provisions of the DMCA are preventing people from expressing themselves...

      It is obvious that the DMCA is preventing people from expressing themselves. However, I worry that it may not be obvious to the judge how Section 1201 prevents people from expressing themselves. So, for the sake of fleshing that out, can you tell me how exactly does DRM prevent people from expressing themselves?

    4. Re:the complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if you're the kind of person who likes reading legal fights, this is a moment to sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

      I don't think you had to qualify it with 'legal fights', I'd be surprised if he enjoyed reading anything.

    5. Re:the complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a company called Alphamax (but I've never heard of them).

      Wonder if they have anything to do with Betamax

    6. Re:the complaint by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      So, for the sake of fleshing that out, can you tell me how exactly does DRM prevent people from expressing themselves?

      The complaint gives some practical examples:

      *) If you want to check a TPM for malicious software, you can't do that.
      *) If you want to change mobile carriers, you can't do that
      *) If you want to use a portion of DRM proctected film in your own film (as part of a narrative etc), you can't do that
      *) Format shifting is not prevented
      *) Matthew Green is a security researcher, and has written books on the topic. He wants to research vulnerabilities in medical devices, but can't do so because of the DMCA.
      *) The complaint alleges that numerous times, such research has been prevented by lawsuits (although it doesn't enumerate them here, that isn't required in a complaint)
      *) These lawsuits prevent Green from writing a book telling other people how to do this kind of research
      *) Bunny wants to decrypt the HDMI signal. They gave many examples, but here is one that gives the flavor: you could decrypt the signal, overlay live commentary text from a blogger live-blogging the event, then send the signal on to the TV. Right now that is illegal.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    7. Re:the complaint by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wonder if they have anything to do with Betamax

      I found out lol, it's the company owned by Bunny.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    8. Re:the complaint by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Suppose a contrived example:

      A person is in such a position, that they need to communicate with someome, and can only do so by either violating copyright, or by circumventing a technological restriction.

      (A poignant example can be seen in the otherwise horrible movie short circuit 2. A scene in the movie has Ben jiavari and his former coworker trapped in a freezer at doo wa's Asian restaurant. Ben cobbles together a tone generator and sends distress messages as short musical phrases from popular music that give hints to where they are being held. Far fetched and fictional, but would apply to the first case scenario. For the latter, suppose the only broadcast device you have to send your message with is dmca encumbered with a manufactruer lockout intended to prevent "unauthorized use". Say, requiring a keycard, or Sim module. You desperately need to send the transmission to save either your own life or someone else's. To do so, you circumvent the restriction, and send the message without meeting the onerous requirements.)

      Then of course, there is the far more reasonable/likely ways that it impacts speech. For a good example, the bruhahah over the CSS decryption key. Many mathematicians asserted in court that declaring an arbitrary number forbidden to write down, communicate, or otherwise disclose was an unreasonable restriction on their ability to communicate with their peers, which it is.

      The reality that 100% lockdown of distribution is simply not possible, and thus is an unreasonable expectation from both law, and enforcement, is never acknowledged by the copyright holders. That is why the DMCA is written the way it is.

    9. Re:the complaint by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hollywood supports Republicans? Really?

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      If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    10. Re:the complaint by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I wanted to use a clip from the movie The Green Mile, as a lesson to my friend on the death penalty. Its the scene after they execute the Indian and one of the guards is gloating over his dead body and Brutal tells him to shut up, 'hes paid what he owed, hes square with the house.' The encryption on the DVD makes that impossible to share that fair use clip and express that idea.

      --
      Good-bye
    11. Re:the complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't "intend" the law to oppress speech. It stands as written.

      Next. (Gotta love big government people expecting big government going to help them)

    12. Re:the complaint by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Hollywood supports Republicans? Really?

      Whoosh!

    13. Re:the complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or what?... What exactly?

    14. Re:the complaint by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, while the Republicans like this kind of law, they don't like it as much as the Democrats do. BOTH major parties are on the take from various groups that support this kind of law.

      But the Democrats are worse, about this, than the Republicans. The sponsors of the MPAA and the RIAA give more to the Democrats.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    15. Re:the complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "And these are your reasons, my lord?"
      "Do you think I have others?" said Lord Vetinari. "My motives, as ever, are entirely transparent."
      Hughnon reflected that 'entirely transparent' meant either that you could see right through them or that you couldn't see them at all."
      -- Terry Pratchett, The Truth

    16. Re:the complaint by shentino · · Score: 1

      They'll probably claim national security or some other bullshit.

    17. Re:the complaint by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      This is a case when you can only enjoy the show after the show is concluded and you know how everything turns out.

    18. Re:the complaint by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Nah, things can only get better or stay the same. It won't be like Oracle vs Google where copyright law will be basically written from thin air.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    19. Re:the complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure I understand your point here. Perhaps if I could view the clip in question, it would clear that up.

      Too bad it's not available :(

  11. OTOH by edittard · · Score: 2

    Cory Doctorow, writes for BoingBoing:

    I, write right here: that manishs, does not know, how to use commas.

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    At the bottom of the /. main page it says 'Yesterday's News'. Well they got that right.
  12. Great news everyone! I have a patent on everything by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    ... the only way to reconcile free speech with copyright's ability to restrict who may utter certain words and expressions is fair use and other exemptions to copyright, which means that laws that don't take fair use into account fail to pass constitutional muster."

    Why would you even need to do that? I don't recall copyright having an amendment. Don't Constitutional rights trump pretty much everything else, period? Remind me when this happened exactly? Copyright/patents are a short term monopoly IN EXCHANGE for sharing creative works and discoveries with society. That means that you have to explain everything completely. If you don't like that, you can always just keep your creations & inventions private. (Coke's formula is a trade secret for example).

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  13. Copyright in the Constitution by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't recall copyright having an amendment. Don't Constitutional rights trump pretty much everything else, period?

    Copyright is one of the enumerated powers of Congress (U.S. Const. I.8): "The Congress shall have power [...] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." This power is subject to other rights retained by the people, such as freedom from Congressional interference with freedom of speech (U.S. Const. Amendment I).

    1. Re:Copyright in the Constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by securing for limited Times to Authors

      Im trying to figure out how a limited time to authors is their whole life plus 60 years.

      It sounds more like an unlimited time to authors and a limited time to their decedents. Which is outside the enumerated powers of Congress.

  14. Why sue Loretta Lynch by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am unsure why the DOJ is on the list.

    Because the law has criminal penalties. Suing the sitting Attorney General for an injunction on enforcing a law is the standard legal fiction used to challenge a criminal statute's constitutionality in the United States.

    1. Re:Why sue Loretta Lynch by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the explanation. They sue the enforcer so they can get the injunction. Got it.

  15. Re: Great news everyone! I have a patent on everyt by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

    Coke's REAL weapon is trademark law. If somebody started selling a beverage that tasted exactly like Coca-Cola, but never represented it as tasting like Coke or having anything to do with Coke, there's very little Coca-Cola could actually DO to stop them.

    The thing is, it would only be a matter of time until some employee was overheard claiming to someone that it WAS the same as Coke, and Coca-Cola could sue them into oblivion based upon the actions of that employee.

    That said, AFAIK, Coca-Cola is the ONLY company authorized to buy de-cocanized coca leaves from the federal government's sole authorized supplier. So as a practical matter, even if you downloaded their allegedly secret formula online, you'd never be able to replicate it exactly unless you wanted to risk getting raided and arrested by DEA agents, since there's no legal second source for that key ingredient.

  16. Voice voted bills are veto-proof by tepples · · Score: 1

    A veto from President Clinton could not have stopped the Digital Millennium Copyright Act from becoming law, as it passed both houses through voice vote. A voice vote requires 80 percent assent in each house, a veto override only 67 percent.

    1. Re:Voice voted bills are veto-proof by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      as it passed both houses through voice vote.

      No. Passed the House through voice vote. Passed Seante by "unanimous consent" (that means everyone, in both Parties, thought it was a great idea.

      Note that one of the "features" of a Voice Vote is that there's no record of who actually voted for/against it in the House.

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    2. Re:Voice voted bills are veto-proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how presidential vetoes work.

      Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

      Even if the Congress passes a bill unanimously, the President has the option to veto it; if he does, the Congress is required to "reconsider" and to vote on it again. And that second vote must be recorded.

      (It is likely true that the DMCA would have passed over a veto, but your claim that "voice voted bills are veto-proof" is absurd.)

    3. Re:Voice voted bills are veto-proof by tepples · · Score: 1

      Has anyone published statistics of how often an override succeeds after a voice-voted bill is vetoed?

  17. MPAA encourages cams by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you want to use a portion of DRM proctected film in your own film (as part of a narrative etc), you can't do that

    For educational fair use, the MPAA encourages teachers to cam the monitor.

    1. Re:MPAA encourages cams by phantomfive · · Score: 1
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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:MPAA encourages cams by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I am watching a video of someone watching a video of someone recording a video of a video.

      MIND.
      BLOWN.

  18. Re: Great news everyone! I have a patent on everyt by lgw · · Score: 2

    And that's what Regulatory Capture looks like when it grows up. Effective legal monopolies are the dream of every CEO, and we seem intent on making more of that happen under the guise of "protecting the little guy from corporations through additional regulations" (which may even be true for the first few years).

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  19. Hollywood by XXongo · · Score: 1

    Hollywood supports Republicans? Really?

    Some do, some don't. Hollywood is not a person with a political stance; it's a place that has people in the film industry on all sides of the political spectrum, ranging from Mel Gibson to Jane Fonda.

    1. Re:Hollywood by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Of course there are exceptions but that's like saying that labor and trial lawyers aren't pro-Democrat or that the Oil and Gas industry isn't pro-Republican,

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    2. Re:Hollywood by XXongo · · Score: 1
      There's a stereotype of liberal Hollywood. Stereotypes, however, are not always reflections of reality.

      "For every celebrity Bernie Sanders supporter there’s a proudly Republican Adam Sandler, and for every heart-flutteringly queer Freeheld there’s a jingoistic, pro-War on Terror action thriller (think The Dark Knight and American Sniper)."

      http://www.alternet.org/story/153041/why_'liberal_hollywood'_is_a_myth
      http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/01/hollywoods-real-bias-is-conservative-but-not-in-the-way-liberals-often-say/266960/

    3. Re:Hollywood by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

      Are the reputations of labor, trial lawyers and the oil/gas industry also misfounded?

      I haven't looked it up for a while but all the figures I've seen (monetary contributions) have backed up the stereotypes in all these industries (including Hollywood).

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  20. Re:Great news everyone! I have a patent on everyth by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    Don't Constitutional rights trump pretty much everything else, period?

    Evidently the 9th circuit court and state of California disagrees.
    Reggie Jones-Sawyer (D): "This is California; we don’t pay too much attention to the Constitution"

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  21. ...in theory... by mmell · · Score: 1

    You're exactly the reason I threw those two words in there. Frankly, I don't believe it either - but it is the ideal state of our form of government. Never mind that it doesn't really work that way.

  22. About time and 'good luck guys and gals' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, so time to cough up a few bucks to the EFF to support the fight. Sure it was 'just a matter of time' but its knowing the 'right time' to fight that makes the difference. It takes alot of time & effort to do that, writing amicus brief's in support of other suits of 'friends of the court' etc. And while I couldn't commit before to help them in their efforts now that the 'fight is on' it calls for everyone to throw a few bucks their way. This won't be fast or easy but we will win.

    Lastly, while it is extremely frustrating to all to have to 'observe the rule of law' when that law is obviously in violation of the constitution a 'civilized society' must do so, otherwise we simply break down in to violence. And I think that's alot of what people don't recognize, e.g. effectively ANY law can be passed provide you get the Senate, Congress & the President to agree to pass it, and they are the 'law of the land' until the Supreme's say otherwise, which can take a very long time to accomplish & result in some extremely 'chilling effects' in the mean time.

    We're not out of the woods yet, but this will be extremely fun to watch the government lawyers try to twist out of this one. I do not doubt that 'logic' will take a back seat in their replies.

  23. What? This is Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't care about facts here! We just like to read and listen to propaganda and whine about Hillary.

  24. Re: Great news everyone! I have a patent on everyt by DRJlaw · · Score: 3, Informative

    That said, AFAIK, Coca-Cola is the ONLY company authorized to buy de-cocanized coca leaves from the federal government's sole authorized supplier. So as a practical matter, even if you downloaded their allegedly secret formula online, you'd never be able to replicate it exactly unless you wanted to risk getting raided and arrested by DEA agents, since there's no legal second source for that key ingredient.

    Tell that to Red Bull. You're mostly right -- there are only certain companies licensed to trade in coca leaf, probably because it'd be too easy otherwise to trade coca leaf under the cover of it being de-cocanized coca leaf -- but Stepan can sell to other beverage makers besides TCCC.

  25. On the 'promote the Progress of Science...' thing by John+Allsup · · Score: 1

    What has got lost is the 'promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts' bit. The 'by securing' bit has become a religious dogma. In the modern world, examples like Free Software show how the current 'implementation' does not fulfil the aim of 'promot[ing] the Progress of Science and useful Arts'. In the light of the relatively modern invention of modern computing, the 'by' but (the implementation) needs a serious rethink. But those who benefit disproportionately are economically bound to campaign to move law more in line with their interests, and the 'promot[ion of] the Progress of Science and useful Arts' is the victim.

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  26. Library of congress by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    So why isn't the library of congress making these exemptions?I usually think of librarians as being pretty good guardians of research and free speech. It seems like the LOC does not follow that spirit.

    1. Re:Library of congress by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Not everyone who works at LOC is actually a librarian by training or in job role. Congress has added responsibilities to it which are related to, but not actually what you'd expect a library to do.

      So, it's basically a government agency that happens to have some librarians working for it. Sort of like the Secret Service having been created to stop counterfeiting, which they still have jurisdiction over, but they are much more high profile as bodyguards for the President and related VIPs.

  27. THE USA IS BANKRUPT BEYOND POOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Money is actual debt.

    Now lawsuits over copyright shit. This is a bad jew plan.

  28. DMCAis flawed by strstr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It should provide safe harbor protection without requiring content take down notices be processed. For example of abuse look at the Gavin E Long videos on YouTube; he filmed himself and uploaded blog videos as the sole owner of the videos. Then he died after doing a mass shooting. In response provocateurs submitted fake DMCA copyright claims and now all the videos are offline, but only he could access his account to submit counterclaims to have the videos put back up. YouTube follows the DMCA which requires the videos or content to be taken down even if the request is invalid, because without the due process checks of a judge or jury there is no way to know if the content is infringing or not.

    No one but Gavin could defend himself but in the case a judge or jury were involved, they might never issue take down orders because the requests were obviously frivolous.

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  29. The limit to authors is the record human lifespan by tepples · · Score: 1

    It sounds more like an unlimited time to authors

    The limit to individual authors is the record human lifespan. "Life" for works of corporate authorship is reckoned at a fixed 25 years after publication or 50 years after creation, whatever comes first.

    As for retrospective extensions, so long as the term is finite at any given moment, and so long as nobody manages to prove what the Supreme Court in Eldred called "legislative misbehavior" on Congress's part, the term complies with the "limited Times" restriction. The Copyright Term Extension Act was ruled a one-time harmonization to the copyright term in the European Union. But I imagine that a further extension prior to 2024 would be stronger evidence of "legislative misbehavior".

  30. Re: Great news everyone! I have a patent on everyt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're mostly right -- there are only certain companies licensed to trade in coca leaf, probably because it'd be too easy otherwise to trade coca leaf under the cover of it being de-cocanized coca leaf

    What's the deal with the de-cocanizing anyway? It's not like anybody is going to snort Coca-Cola or smoke it, and everybody chews the leaves in Colombia anyway like everybody is drinking coffee over here. It's common over-the-counter stuff.