Samsung Fights Back, Sues China's Huawei For Patent Infringement (reuters.com)

In May, China's conglomerate Huawei filed a lawsuit against Samsung accusing the Korean company of infringing on some of its 4G-related patents. Now, Samsung is returning the favor. According to Reuters, Samsung has filed a lawsuit of its own against Huawei for a very similar reason. From the report: An intellectual property court in Beijing said on its official Weixin account that Samsung sued Huawei and a department store in Beijing and has claimed 161 million yuan ($24.14 million) in damages. Samsung asked the two defendants to stop production and sales of products the South Korean firm says infringes on its patents, including Huawei's Mate 8 and Honor smartphones, the court said.

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Um

[s.petry]

Why is China allowed to sue anyone for patent infringement anywhere except in China?

In the last 40 years how much have they stolen? Is anything they could possibly patent today free of that stolen information and property?

OTOH, Does Samsung think they will collect anything at all from China? Maybe the point is simply defamation, which is fine in my opinion.

For the apologist, I fully understand the concept of forgiveness. That concept requires something called repentance. If the latter does not happen then the former should not happen. China can today claim altruism, but they have never repented so you are a fool to believe it.

Re:Um

[SlaveToTheGrind]

Why is China allowed to sue anyone for patent infringement anywhere except in China?

"China" isn't suing anyone. Chinese companies like Huawei can sue for patent infringement outside China because they don't just have Chinese patents. It's exceptionally common for larger companies to file for a given patent in a number of different countries (the heavy hitters including the U.S., Canada, Europe, China, Japan, and South Korea), generally based on expected sales/manufacturing footprint.

Re:Um

[Anonymous Coward]

You do realize that practically every culture "steals" from other cultures right? Based on how far some appear to want patent law to extend China would have a pretty good claim on the global fireworks and munitions industries over the past thousand years since gunpowder was "invented" there. I wonder when various European/Middle Eastern countries will want to make claims against pretty much the entire tech industry for using the mathematic concepts "invented" by their countries. And the less that is said about Disneys wholesale "theft" of the stories from half the planet for their IP mill the better. To a certain degree patents/copyright do improve society, however we have gone way past that point. Patenting a specific invention is one thing, patenting concepts and protocols to lock people into your product is another.

Re:Um

[Frank Burly]

I'll bet you that 99.999% of non-Chinese companies are better off being sued outside China.

Re:Um

[ZFox]

China would have a pretty good claim on the global fireworks and munitions industries over the past thousand years since gunpowder was "invented" there

Just like the Chinese silk industry, the Chinese "fireworks and munitions industries" chose the route of trade secrets, instead of patents. They took on that risk because they didn't want to share and only be granted a temporary monopoly. Where did this short-term business decision land these industries...1000 years in the past.

Re:Um

[thegarbz]

Why is China allowed to sue anyone for patent infringement anywhere except in China?

Because suing within China about a foreign patent governed by a foreign government in a foreign land is a waste of time and money?

Patent infringement is a local issue. Always has been and always will be. It is why Dyson's "innovative" blade-less fan got a patent in the USA, but was categorically rejected in Japan because it was identical to an existing patent filed 30 years prior by Toshiba (who were called Tokyo Shibaura Electronic at the time). The management of said patents then falls onto customs to enforce import bans unless a company can be sued under the provisions of some treaty. The lack of teeth by the treaties and the lack of authority of courts over foreign companies is why these companies often seek local import bans.

Re:Um

[Anonymous Coward]

But patents are public.

The old Japanese patent could be used as prior art and invalidate in court Dyson's patent ?

Re: Um

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd say the big difference is in modern society it would seen the Chinese government or companies acting on behalf of it send people to other countries much like terrorist groups but with one significant difference and that's to steal information and technology instead of to hurt people.

What has China really invented in the last 200 years? Contrast that with technology China has just stolen.

Piracy is the norm in China. An attitude like that starts at the top. China would be nothing without the foreign companies it steals from and the human rights violations it enacts on its citizens as essentially slave labor.

The government allows these companies to soak up all these profits which no doubt go right to the government while the people are living in factories making shit for the rest of the world.

Back to theft...a clone iPhone is made on the same assembly line with all the same parts as a real iPhone. The ONLY difference and I mean from raw material to the people who put it together...the ONLY difference is one has a apple logo and the other doesn't.

Of course the companies government are complicit in this. There is zero possible chance they don't control and advocate it and they do it because it's a system built on theft and deception.

Re: Let the stupid rice eaters fight with each oth

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's build a wall around China. It'll need to be big, so we could call it the Great Wall.

Oh my, I bet you thought you were being funny with that statement. I can imagine you with a shit eating grin while typing that out and posting it. But I hate to break it to you, you only being retarded and nobody is laughing with you, they are only laughing at you and your ignorant fat fucking face.

TPTA they are not part of it but will they try to

[Joe_Dragon]

TPTA they are not part of it but will they try to use it to get there way.

This can't end well.

[wkwilley2]

Let the pissing match begin!!!

Hauwei being the up and comers would have been wise to carry on as normal.

I'm sure Samsung sees them as competition now, especially since the Nexus 6P.

Disclaimer

[Anonymous Coward]

Slashdot doesn't necessarily condone patent infringement -- at least, in most cases.
(FTFY)

Everything old is new again.

[mmell]

SSDD.

Nothing new under the sun.

Business as usual.

Next up: either mutually offsetting judgements or cross-licensing. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Re: Let the stupid rice eaters fight with each ot

[Anonymous Coward]

Man, who popped in your Cheerios? Oh wait, did you watch Donald's speech last night. I'm sorry.

Are you that gullible?

[s.petry]

Huawei is not part of the Chinese Government? The facade of company names fronting Chinese programs makes them match Western principles of liberty and business?

Reality check time: Chines Companies enrich the Chinese Government, not the populace. People not in Government who make loads of money are at constant and _real_ threat of arrest and confiscation of wealth. Business people are regularly executed in China, and Government corruption is rampant. Proven by the wrong players also being arrested and executed for "corruption".

The world outside of your house does not match the world inside your house. You have to get out and look around prior to attempting to spread opinions based in ignorance. FWIW, China is no the only country with this same problem. Western societies are not immune to corruption. However, a totalitarian Government ensures that the changes never favor the populace.

Re:Are you that gullible?

[SlaveToTheGrind]

My friend, you clearly have a well-established opinion about all this, so I'll not waste any more of my time trying to persuade you otherwise. But my answer -- which is both legally and factually accurate whether or not it fits your ill-informed worldview -- stands. Now run down to Wally World and stock up before China confiscates all the tin foil.

History..

[Anonymous Coward]

I remember when the first "Huawei" routers shipped. They didn't even bother to write a version of the Cisco router manual. They just xerox'd Cisco's manual. It was after all the exact same machine.

And of course.... with the Chinese courts in play, Cisco eventually had to give up on any thoughts of compensation for patent or code infringement. They just copied the code also of course. Eventually, Cisco just said don't do it again and gave up.

Re:History..

[Anonymous Coward]

They did it again of course...

And immature

[s.petry]

Ahh, so when your argument is demonstrated to be false you make ad hominem attacks claiming the person making the demonstration is paranoid. What an amazingly well thought out reply! *sarcasm dripping*

There is no honor amongst theives

[Anonymous Coward]

That phone shouldn't be sold for false advertising alone!

Look, I can change the subject line too!!1!

[SlaveToTheGrind]

Ahh, so when your argument is demonstrated to be false

You must have a very creative definition of the word "demonstrated" -- or did you perhaps mean to say "semi-incoherently argued without a shred of support"? I'm happy to engage with facts and evidence -- not so much with conclusory conspiracy theories.

And as far as ad hominem goes, you might consider that your own "amazingly well thought out reply" [cough] labeled me "gullible" and accused me of "attempting to spread opinions based on ignorance." Apparently you're one of those special little snowflakes that can freely dish it out but can't take it.

praise

[Anonymous Coward]

they say duplication is the highest form of praise for your idea