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Scientists' Biggest Search For Dark Matter To Date Just Turned Up Nothing (sciencealert.com)

Peter Dockrill, reporting for ScienceAlert: For something that's hypothesised to make up more than 80 percent of the mass of the entire universe, it's no easy thing to detect the existence of dark matter. That's the conclusion the world is coming to today, after scientists announced that a massive $10 million experiment to find traces of elusive dark matter particles had failed after an exhaustive 20-month search. "We've probed previously unexplored regions of parameter space with the aim of making the first definitive discovery of dark matter," said physicist Cham Ghag from University College London in the UK, one of the scientists who took part in the Large Underground Xenon (LUX) project based in South Dakota. "Though a positive signal would have been welcome, nature was not so kind! Nonetheless, a null result is significant as it changes the landscape of the field by constraining models for what dark matter could be beyond anything that existed previously."Ars Technica has more details.

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  1. The title is misleading by x_t0ken_407 · · Score: 4, Informative

    From Ars:

    The LUX detector (Large Underground Xenon) is designed to pick up signs of weakly interacting massive particles, or WIMPs, when they engage in one of their rare interactions with normal matter.

    There are indeed other candidates for dark matter, WIMPs being only one of those. This experiment searched specifically for WIMPs, which only rules them out, while of course the other remaining candidates remain to be explored.

    1. Re:The title is misleading by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Informative

      From Ars:

      The LUX detector (Large Underground Xenon) is designed to pick up signs of weakly interacting massive particles, or WIMPs, when they engage in one of their rare interactions with normal matter.

      There are indeed other candidates for dark matter, WIMPs being only one of those. This experiment searched specifically for WIMPs, which only rules them out, while of course the other remaining candidates remain to be explored.

      It sets an upper bound for how strongly they interact with matter we know about, if they exist. And it's a very low upper bound indeed.

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    2. Re:The title is misleading by crgrace · · Score: 4, Informative

      It doesn't actually rule out WIMPs, it just (for the most part) rules out WIMPs with specific characteristic. Much larger, more sensitive detectors (both Xenon and Argon) are on the drawing boards for future searches.

      Just like supersymmetry, it is very hard to actually rule something out.

    3. Re:The title is misleading by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Informative

      results didn't rule out WIMPS, only certain kinds of WIMPS. A new detector the LUX-ZEPLIN will be 100 times as sensitive and continue the search

  2. Re:String theory is just that: a theory by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Informative

    nothing to do with string theory, it's the search for why the stars in even our own galaxy have the orbits they do, and why the cosmic microwave background has certain imprints in it

  3. Re:Honest callow stupid question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The orbital period of a star in a galaxy depends, to first order, on the amount of mass that is closer to the centre of the galaxy than the star. (That's a consequence of gravity being an inverse-square force.)

    The distribution of stellar orbital velocities in a galaxy indicates that there is additional mass, not at the centre, but distributed amongst the stars in a galaxy. An inventory of the visible mass shows there is nowhere near enough to account for the velocity distributions. Therefore, it is inferred that there is invisible, or dark matter, that accounts for the discrepancy. It has nothing to do with mismeasuring the mass at the centre of the galaxy, whether it's a black hole or not.

  4. Re:Great news everyone by Ultra64 · · Score: 5, Informative

    >the dark matter explanation feels a bit hacky anyway.

    Dark matter isn't the explanation, it's the question.

    We observe things like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    but we don't know what is causing them. "Dark matter" is just a short way of saying "whatever it is that is responsible for these things we are observing".

  5. Re:String theory is just that: a theory by crunchygranola · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right, a theory. But if you can't count it, can't measure it, does it really exist?

    But we can measure it. Its gravity reveals its existence, its quantity, and its location. So yes it exists. We just don't know what it is, and the detector experiments are testing theories about what it may be.

    We also have pretty good estimates of the density of dark matter in the solar neighborhood. It amounts to 0.49 ± 0.13 GeV cm3. This means, if you weight 70 kg, your body contains about 34 trillion electron-volts of dark matter (or 6*10^-20 grams).

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  6. Re:Great news everyone by yndrd1984 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They do not entertain the idea that maybe their laws are wrong, or that some other phenomenon might be affecting gravity.

    Sure, MOND never happened.

  7. Re:Great news everyone by mrsquid0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many people have spent a lot of time looking for ways to explain single like galaxy rotation curves, stellar velocities in globular clusters and elliptical galaxies, the structure of galaxy clustering and what-not without success. The simplest explanation has always turned out to be that there is some sort of extra matter that we cannot see. Dark matter requires the smallest number of assumptions out of all explanations that people have proposed so far. By Ocham's Razor it is probably the right solution. And by Grabthar's Hammer you shall be avenged.

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  8. Re:String theory is just that: a theory by mrsquid0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The observations are not wrong. Measuring the velocity dispersion of stars in a globular clusters is not a much harder, or more conceptually difficult, than measuring the colour of a fluorescent light. Determining a galactic rotation curve is a bit more complex, but not much so. These observations have been done tens of thousands of times using many different techniques, sometimes by groups of astrophysicists who hate each other and would like nothing more than to discredit the person who got to speak instead of them at last January's AAS meeting. The observational evidence for dark matter is overwhelming. The modeling, on the other hand, has more assumptions built in. The key assumption is that gravity, in the weak limit, follows Newton's law of gravity, and there is a 400 years of evidence to support that.

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  9. Re:String theory is just that: a theory by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

    But we just proved it doesn't exist.

    No, that's not what TFA says at all. You can't even blame a misleading Slashdot headline here: you just made that up. A detector was built to find a very specific kind of matter. It didn't find anything. No real surprise, as there was never any reason to think it would - it was just the sort of detector we already knew how to build.

    Hence, my theory is just as valid, that EM has both mass and is a wave

    Yes, that's called "Quantum Field Theory", and it's what nearly everyone believes. Doesn't explain anything that dark matter explains, though, so no.

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  10. Re:String theory is just that: a theory by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

    But we just proved it doesn't exist. The missing mass exists.

    Um no. They haven't detected it yet does not mean it doesn't exist. it was an experiment failure. It's hard to prove a negative. That's like saying the Higgs Boson particle was proven not to exist until they detected it. See how silly that sounds?

    Hence, my theory is just as valid, that EM has both mass and is a wave, and we're just confused little podlings who will have to go back and adjust our theories again, as we did over and over and over.

    You don't have a theory. That's conjecture.

    Remember, at first we didn't think light bent due to gravity.

    Yes but that doesn't mean neither light nor gravity existed. We didn't know about the interaction between them could produce such results.

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