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Issa Bill Would Kill A Big H-1B Loophole (computerworld.com)

ErichTheRed writes: This isn't perfect, but it is the first attempt I've seen at removing the "body shop" loophole in the H-1B visa system. A bill has been introduced in Congress that would raise the minimum wage for an H-1B holder from $60K to $100K, and place limits on the body shop companies that employ mostly H-1B holders in a pass-through arrangement. Whether it's enough to stop the direct replacement of workers, or whether it will just accelerate offshoring, remains to be seen. But, I think removing the most blatant and most abused loopholes in the rules is a good start. "The high-skilled visa program is critical to ensuring American companies can attract and retain the world's best talent," said Issa in a statement. "Unfortunately, in recent years, this important program has become abused and exploited as a loophole for companies to replace American workers with cheaper labor from overseas."

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  1. as someone who is suffering from this... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can only hope that our voices are STARTING to be heard and taken seriously.

    I can't compete with an h1b. I have more experience, I know silicon valley quite well, I have good contacts and can get things done; but I'm 'an expensive american' because I have US healthcare to pay and US rents to pay, etc. and I'm not willing to have 5 other room mates and live-for-work just to stay employed.

    we need a break from this heat wave. many of us who need work cannot get it. companies stopped caring about us and refuse to even consider us. we badly need relief from this or we'll find more of us slipping into the poorest underclass and that's just an absurdity. intelligent and capable thinkers and builders unable to get work because our corp overlords sold us all out.

    I'll believe in the relief when I see it. so far, though, its killing many of us. in some ways, almost literally (I may lose my home soon, that's how bad it can get).

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    1. Re:as someone who is suffering from this... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It sounds like you don't have relevant skill sets anymore

      I am not a web gui jokey, if that's what you mean. I can hold my own in C, C++, I can do ok enough in python, and probably get by as well as others in the languages they don't use regularly.

      I am pretty in touch with computing in most areas. and I don't even insist on specialist jobs. there are a ton of 'can you write C code?' jobs and I'm be ok doing that. they won't give it to me; I'm too qualified, then. even when I beg for the job, I'm too overqualified and they won't give it to me.

      there has been writing and teaching in my background and I'm happy enough to do that. nope, once you write C code, they won't take you as a tech writer. I'm happy to do it! I enjoy it. but the stigma stops them from taking me on. I'm not making this stuff up, either.

      I can design hardware, do board bring-up, order parts and eval things. write the firmware, do the networking, solder the parts, document it, write the host based back ends. ensure the whole system works. take it to trade shows and demo it. write the docs for it, do the RMA service. in other words, I can do a whole company's worth of jobs and in some ways I act as a whole hardware/software company of size 1. I can do most anything.

      and yet, here I am. unemployed and finding it very hard to break thru that 'but you are an older expensive american' boundary. its a killer, even if you're highly skilled and capable.

      I will confess, I'm over 50 and that's a major 'problem' right there for silicon valley employers. they mostly don't hire us anymore and if they do, its always as contract and never fulltime. they're afraid to touch us, in effect. (when you let go a person over a certain age, they have to document a lot more and show that it wasn't due to age. other things come into play when you take on an older guy, and I realize this crap is going on, but its still a show-stopper in your goal of getting employed).

      I also know that its common to say 'you are not keeping up' but that's a BS line. I am keeping up. that's not the issue and it never was.

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    2. Re: as someone who is suffering from this... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have been living and working in the bay area for about 25 yrs, now. before that I spent a bunch of years in the boston area, doing the boston software thing.

      when I work at some of the big names in the bay area, I see who is working there and what their skill level is. I hear the talk in meetings and see the tech discussions. I see the writings on whiteboards left from meetings. I hear hallway talk. I see the bugs from co-workers. I see the lack of qa and testing and blatant bugs in routines that have 5 lines of code. I see docs that were clearly not written by native english speakers.

      the best and brightest? h1b? you HAVE to be shitting me.

      big huge lie. they are the cheapest warm bodies you can buy and dominate and boss around. but they are not, and never were, best and brightest. their curve is like our curve; we have some that are stars and most are average. the ones that come over have the same bell curve. some really good stars, but for the most part, you could find the same level of quality here, already.

      h1b is bullshit. we all know it.

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  2. Re:Free movement of labor for other jobs... by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most americans were actually against removing the trade barriers that allowed labor market shopping of the kind you imply. The agreements were railroaded through anyway.

    Most Americans would actually support reintroduction of tariff and excise costs on foriegn goods and services, even though this will increase domestic product cost.

  3. Simple Reforms Needed by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just make two simple reforms:

    *) H1B visas convert to Green Cards after two years.

    *) Limit them to no more than 5% of the workforce for any work site.

  4. Re:Sounds good on paper... by srichard25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Offshore has always been cheaper than H1B onshore. If it were possible to make it work with 100% offshore, then it would have been done already.

  5. Current laws not enforced by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our government doesn't even enforce our current laws on H1B, what good would new ones do? A few months ago I got a "form letter" denial for a support job I applied for, didn't even get an interview. I had worked with this team for about three years, I knew their applications, escalation lists, support teams, ticketing system; in some ways I probably was more qualified than some of their current staff members. I was told by their management that they had zero actual control over HR's initial acceptance / cut system as all of the HR people are in another state thousands of miles away; HR (by unofficial policy) wouldn't take any local suggestions for who would be interviewed...the "process" didn't work like that. "The process" had HR giving them a list of pre-approved candidates, then HR would allow the local staff to interview them, and then HR would take it from there. After I got my form letter of rejection, I found an LCA for my job had been filed within a few days of my application. Using various H1B "job sites" in conjunction with the Department of Labor's LCA system, I found dozens of jobs in my area that never had any advertising on any job board, nor had any recruiters been contacted. These jobs went straight to H1B, they didn't even bother looking for a US citizen.

    Most frustratingly, there is no one to really complain to, no regulatory agency that will listen. Even when the law is broken...until it gets to the level of a Congressional hearing nothing is done. Even then, nothing happened to Disney, or SEC, or any of the other giant corps. A few donations to re-election campaigns via shadowy 501s and the issue is dropped every time. Sometimes I think the only solution is to destroy the staffing corps pushing this, and by that I mean literally set fire to the US locations of companies like Tata and Infosys.

  6. Re:It's obvious it won't accelerate offshoring by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to sound crude or callous, but--

    The government, nor the labor force are beholden to your vision of a successful startup. The labor you seek costs money. Even if it does not cost you, it still costs that money. Preventing abuse of h1b labor prevents the sideloading of that cost onto the rest of society. If your startup requires impossible wages (wages only possible via h1b or other wage shenanigans) then your startup is not really viable as a business venture. Hard thing to swallow, but that is the way it is.

    As an employer, the sooner you understand that you too have to negotiate at the hiring table, and that you can't get AAA+ talent for D- wages, the better. You are beholden to the economy, the same as the rest of us. We only succeed when we both benefit.

    My suggestion to you: hire new grads at new grad pay. Hire a small number of AAA+ people, and use them to improve the quality of your new grad workers. Set company goals that are attainable with that arrangement, and reward employees that exceed those expected goals.

    The age of getting the best while paying next to nothing are nearly gone forever. Plan for that future. Hire the lackluster, at lackluster pay, then improve them. Contrary to what you have been trained in MBA school, employees are a valuable asset that you invest in. If you are good to your people, they will be good to you. Treat them like disposable trash, and they will dump you in a minute, the soonest they can, and spit on your memory.