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Almost Half Of All TSA Employees Have Been Cited For Misconduct (mercurynews.com)

Slashdot reader schwit1 writes: Almost half of all TSA employees have been cited for misconduct, and the citations have increased by almost 30 percent since 2013... It also appears that the TSA has been reducing the sanctions it has been giving out for this bad behavior.
Throughout the U.S., the airport security group "has instead sought to treat the misconduct with 'more counseling and letters that explain why certain behaviors were not acceptable'," according to a report from the House Homeland Security Commission, titled "Misconduct at TSA Threatens the Security of the Flying Public". It found 1,206 instances of "neglect of duty", and also cited the case of an Oakland TSA officer who for two years helped smugglers slip more than 220 pounds of marijuana through airport security checkpoints, according to the San Jose Mercury News.

The newspaper adds that "The misconduct ranges from salacious (federal air marshals spending government money on hotel rooms for romps with prostitutes) to downright dangerous (an officer in Orlando taking bribes to smuggle Brazilian nationals through a checkpoint without questioning)." Their conclusion? "The TSA's job is to make airline passengers feel safer and, not incidentally, actually make us safer. It's failing on both."

128 comments

  1. Questionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The TSA's job is to make airline passengers feel safer and, not incidentally, actually make us safer.

    That second part seems unlikely - is there any example of something they've done to make people safer? Creating security checks with choke points surely can't help with that. And the first seems contrary to their own interests - the route to getting more money for air security is clearly not to make people feel they're already safe.

    1. Re:Questionable by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FTA; Neglect of duty is described as "inattention to duty resulting in a loss of property or life; careless inspection; negligent performance of duties; failure to exercise due diligence in performance of duties; failure to follow procedures."

      When you have a lot of strict procedures, and you have tight monitoring, you get a lot of violations.

    2. Re: Questionable by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      Hence why they are failing on both. Rtf summary.

    3. Re:Questionable by tburkhol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Public support for nationalizing airport security in 2001 was based on the claim that private airport 'rent-a-cops' were inherently underpaid, under-trained, and effectively responsible to no one. Nationalizing airport security was based on the notion that making those people Federal Officers at higher salaries would attract higher quality workers, subject them to rigorous and closely supervised training programs, and make their leadership directly answerable to national security leadership.

      Turns out that the government hasn't made them "officers," in the sense of secret service or FBI, doesn't actually pay them any better, and is really struggling to train them faster than they quit. They do seem to have better documentation of their failures, so I guess that's a win of sorts. The "small government" party, who controlled the presidency, senate, and house at the time, forgot that they don't believe in nationalizing private industries, and now they have a fine demonstration of why.

    4. Re:Questionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, "small government" has never had anything to do with lowering the expenditures by the government.

      It only refers to the amount of services offered in exchange for said budget.

    5. Re:Questionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Do you realize how little they pay TSA "officers" not much better than minimum age. You don't exactly attract the best people at those pay rates. You get people more susceptible to being lower IQ and more apt to be tempted to take items or give people a hassle while going through security. Which of course leads to complaints and investigations.

    6. Re:Questionable by stoatwblr · · Score: 2

      Procedures aren't strict, monitoring isn't tight.

      Taking bribes? That should be go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 material.

    7. Re:Questionable by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 0

      And when you have a lot of affirmative action hires, you get a lot of incompetence.

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    8. Re:Questionable by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Clearly, the person needs better training. With it, they would be able to accept the bribe, let the people/drugs through, and would not be detected doing so.

      Win win.

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  2. Here's another one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    After receiving several complaints, police detectives decided to follow a TSA agent in Seattle, and caught him filming up a woman's skirt while he followed her on an escalator.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

  3. Pull the plug on TSA by hambone142 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TSA was created by Bush as a knee jerk reaction to 9-11. I'm surprised Obama hasn't gotten rid of it.

    However, government never seems to get smaller nor can it realize a mistake. It only perpetuates (in this case) an unnecessary bureaucracy.

    Let's go back to metal detectors and private security. My tube of toothpaste isn't the problem.

    TSA is.

    1. Re: Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #TsaEmployeesDontMatter

    2. Re: Pull the plug on TSA by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      Unless they are black tsa employees.

    3. Re: Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #TsaEmployeesDontMatter

      Have you been living under a rock? Of course TSA employees matter, we wouldn't be talking about this if they didn't - they're a massive problem.

    4. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm surprised Obama hasn't gotten rid of it.

      Been asleep for the past eight years, haven't you?

    5. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised Obama hasn't gotten rid of it.

      However, government never seems to get smaller nor can it realize a mistake.

      You realize that the second sentence negates the first. Right?

    6. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by geekmux · · Score: 1

      TSA was created by Bush as a knee jerk reaction to 9-11. I'm surprised Obama hasn't gotten rid of it.

      Anything that "creates jobs" makes no sense to get rid of, no matter how pointless or financially bloated.

      However, government never seems to get smaller nor can it realize a mistake. It only perpetuates (in this case) an unnecessary bureaucracy.

      It can realize it has made many of them, but in the end it comes down to my previous statement. Even a major fuck-up will be considered a success if it "creates jobs". The clusterfuck that is the TSA has certainly done that.

      Let's go back to metal detectors and private security. My tube of toothpaste isn't the problem.

      TSA is.

      Agreed, but that would tend to make fucking sense, which seems to be an illegal act these days.

      Also, let's beat this dead horse one more time; "creates jobs".

    7. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm surprised Obama hasn't gotten rid of it.

      because he can't as then the opposition would claim that he was on the side of the terrorists...

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    8. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by lucm · · Score: 1

      His administration also deports a lot more Illegal mexican immigrants than the two previous administrations combined.

      Yes we can.. make America great again?

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    9. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by rockout · · Score: 2

      Anything that "creates jobs" makes no sense to get rid of, no matter how pointless or financially bloated.

      However, government never seems to get smaller nor can it realize a mistake. It only perpetuates (in this case) an unnecessary bureaucracy.

      I hate it when facts get in the way of a "Gub'ment is bad!" rant, but at least since 2008: "Private payrolls have added 7 million jobs over Obama’s presidency, while government payrolls (federal, state and local) have contracted by a combined 634,000 jobs." http://www.pewresearch.org/fac...

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    10. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything that "creates jobs" makes no sense to get rid of, no matter how pointless or financially bloated.

      It does matter how pointless and bloated it is. How many more jobs could we create by putting the money into something useful?
      Not to mention the BILLIONS in opportunity cost because less people want to travel.

      Instead of being a net drain in the economy, we could put the money into something else and see a much better return.

    11. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      His administration also deports a lot more Illegal mexican immigrants than the two previous administrations combined.

      That's actually a lie that even President Obama admits is just a statistical stunt to try to shade the numbers. Actual deportations are at a long-term minimum.

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    12. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by lucm · · Score: 1

      Dude you're quoting out of context from a 2013 article.

      If words are too confusing for you look, at the picture on thie DHS chart (posted in reuters last year):

      http://blogs.reuters.com/data-...

      Critics may declare President Obama soft on immigration, but as this Reuters graphic shows, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data the Department of Homeland Security deported 414,481 people in fiscal year 2014, down from 438,421 the year before. Each year of the Obama administration has seen more deportations than any preceding president; the pre-Obama high of 358,886 removals in FY2008 came during President George W. Bush’s last full fiscal year in office.

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    13. Re: Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress created the TSA not Bush.

    14. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The TSAs function is to establish a precedented and accustomise people to restrictions, all encompassing restrictions. It is a totally class structured organisations in principle. Certain people a minority get to completely avoid it, never ever experience (except to sneer at those who are forced into it, look down upon those who are being taught their place in society). The majority of course are being trained, you go only were you specifically are allowed to go, upon demand you can be stripped searching, molested, your belongings searched and taken at a whim. You are also taught that there are other people who do not go through this, superior people and you are a lessor person a nobody and you should become accustomed to this, it is your place and it you attempt to leave it watch out.

      They fully plan to push it to all public transport, even local buses stopped, passengers abused, taught their place, forced to learn to obey or be physically abused as well as their families, full sexual abuse, parents in front of their children, publicly degraded so that their children learn their heroes, their parents, are zeros.

      You are all being taught that those that fly in private jets are special and you are shit, they have power and privilege because they are anointed by "In Money we trust" and you are nothing. The longer you put up with this bullshit the more you sell yourself and future generations out, pathetic cowards that you are and that's a fact, if you had any real courage the TSA would have disappeared years ago.

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    15. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Read my link again. The Obama Administration is talking about ICE enforcements only; the reality is that the majority of deportations are done by the Border Patrol - and the total (BP + ICE) have steadily dropped. It's a statistical head-fake by the Administration and you're falling for it hook, line, and sinker. The data in the lik I provided was hard, Government numbers from a lawsuit filed by field agents. It shows the opposite of the narrative Obama wants you to believe.

      But I guess rather than hard numbers you can check as actual evidence entered in a Court case, you want to trust a blog post from Reuters... Oh well!

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    16. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by lucm · · Score: 1

      The fact that someone submits numbers to the court doesn't make it "hard numbers"; anyone who followed the Enron story can tell you that. And anyways those are numbers from 3 years before the reuters article - which shows data provided by the DHS, not by some disgruntled civil servant with a chip in his shoulder.

      Bottom line, just like Obama spied more on American citizens than any other US president in history, he also deported more immigrants, and he managed to spent 800 billions more than Bush on the military (in addition to the 300 billions to kickstart Obamacare and the trillion more it will cost over the next decade).

      I don't know if Trump could really make America great again, but just getting Obama out of the White House will probably help a lot.

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    17. Re: Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but you must admit,that obahma is a man of the people.
      He came to my town in the UK to play golf,it's cost us local people a very high figure(not released) to provide totally over the top security,flight paths diverted from two airports,and a local RAF base that also services a vast number of flights for so called VIP's.
      Roads closed,traffic and pedestrians un-able to use main routes,pedestrians banned from using ancient rights of way that by law can not be blocked or or their impeded in any way or case,but were..
      Provision of police,army and RAF patrols,etc etc and who foots the bills for all the US teams that the presidents bring with them ?
      at a guestimate figure I reckon his three day visit cost us local tax payers about 3 million and another 12-15 million to national tax payers,all so he could play golf on a championship golf course and have a few dinners with idiot Cameron and other corrupt arseholes..
      So he really is a man of the people,cos it's us people that pay all the bloody bills...
      Trump(fingers crossed he is elected) will be even more expensive for us in the UK,because he has his own golf club here,but at least the world will be safer than having Hilary shaft'em Clinton as president..

    18. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised Obama hasn't gotten rid of it.

      Why are you surprised? Obama loves increasing the size, reach, and budget of nearly all parts of the government, almost as much as he loves spending taxpayer money on bullshit trips for himself and his family.

      Increasing the size of everything except his "johnson"...so I hear from Michelle!

      magic word: laziness (oh how appropriate for Obama!!)

    19. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So small government Republicans screw up big time in response to a terrorist attack that took place on their watch after the longest presidential vacation in US history (extended a couple of times after terror warnings were pushed to them, FYI), and your reaction is to blame the other party for golf games? I'm glad I don't live in your world because I don't think I could handle the crazy.

      Of course Obama can't get rid of it because if he does the people who created the problem in the first place will start screaming that he's "soft on terror" or some other bullshit. And CNN will play endless interviews with soccer mommies who say that they like the TSA because "it makes me feel safe" like they do every time some new arbitrary restriction is announced.. Idiots. I don't want to feel safe, I prefer to BE safe if possible but if it's not possible I prefer to not have my freedoms restricted while not being safe anyway. since the TSA accomplishes nothing but harassment of passengers it's time we get rid of it.

      Getting rid of it is either going to require a scandal of a magnitude that even Congress can't ignore, or an agreement between the parties that they're not going to use that for political purposes. Seeing as how half of this country absolutely hates the other half and nobody is willing to work together on anything except giving your jobs away to foreigners via free trade agreements, that's going to be difficult to accomplish.

    20. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Those numbers were submitted BY THE GOVERNMENT under court order (in other words - they didn't want to share, but finally had to put up). And again - the Reuters article is only ICE - it does not include the Border Patrol. Look at the Reuters article, you'll see the pre-2013 data is accurate per the numbers I linked to - but are incomplete because it does not include the Border Patrol. It's the same game the Federal Government plays with respect to the budget, where they talk about the budget deficit being "only" $400 billion when $1.3 trillion in new debt is created.

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    21. Re: Pull the plug on TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree worth you about the TSA, I think you're not appropriately spreading the blame among the responsible parties for 911. It was Clinton that failed to stop the Taliban after they attacked two embassies. His only ineffective response was to launch a couple of cruise missiles at one of their camps in Afghanistan, which didn't stop them from doing anything (besides killing some women and children). As a result, Bush was unfortunate enough to have to deal with the aftermath of Clinton's failure to deal with the threat. Bush's government shares some of the blame, but I think it's disingenuous to omit Clinton's part.

    22. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "My tube of toothpaste isn't the problem."

      Nor are any of the supposedly binary liquids.

      Yes, you can mix them to make a bomb - under carefully controlled conditions with no vibration.

      There aren't a lot of vibration-free spaces on an aircraft. It'd be interesting to create a simulated cabin and lavatory, then challenge the investigators to actually succeed in the quest.

    23. Re:Pull the plug on TSA by mysidia · · Score: 1

      small government Republicans screw up big time in response to a terrorist attack that took place on their watch

      No.... both parties screwed up. This was a bipartisan action. An occasional screwup is to be expected, but you have to own your mistake, or recognize your predecessors' mistake and fix them promptly, otherwise, should be fired... out of a canon... into the sun.

      and your reaction is to blame the other party for golf games?

      No. My reaction is to blame Obama for golf games. Last I checked, Obama is just one person.
      Obama's inaction and lack of concern rests primarily with Obama, nobody else is responsible; This does not generalize to the party as a whole... I don't know why you would think it does....
      Well, except possibly for folks responsible for investigating and presenting diligence to the public.... the Media, for doing an awful job identifying potential problems.

      You might blame the party leadership for corruption for allowing a candidate get nominated who would turn out to be flaky or inherently not properly reflect the goals of people in the public who are members of the party. tt.

      Of course Obama can't get rid of it because if he does the people who created the problem in the first place will start screaming that he's "soft on terror"

      *COUGH* Bullshit. People will scream, regardless. You can't let the fear of rejection stop you doing your job; No excuses, If you are president: the buck stops right there.

  4. I blame Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sort of. Every time there's a "report" from a House committee, it usually means one party has a press release they want to put out supporting a specific narrative. In this case, they've collected a bunch of statistics and anecdotes to create the impression "TSA bad!"

    Which is fine. The TSA has always needed a lot of reform. I just wonder if this fits into some kind of election-year grandstanding about how America isn't safe, as a way to help win elections in November. Or maybe to support yet-another round of TSA budget cutting...

    1. Re:I blame Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's sort of the real issue. Republicans cut the TSA's budget -- partly in anticipation of "efficiencies" from a new system which never materialized. (See the related link). Since they're short-staffed, the TSA really can't fire their worst employees -- and can't offer incentives to their best employees to stay. Haven't we seen this pattern before? Cut funding, and then when things get crappy, call it proof that government programs are ineffective, and call for their elimination?

    2. Re: I blame Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is happening to the USPS currently.

    3. Re: I blame Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the current excuse, not enough money to fire the bad ones? Pray tell, how does that hold water when a) the TSA has never readily fired any of their employees, including borderline rapists, and b) you don't need a GED to work for them (lowest barrier to entry ever)

    4. Re: I blame Republicans by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Is that the current excuse, not enough money to fire the bad ones? Pray tell, how does that hold water when a) the TSA has never readily fired any of their employees, including borderline rapists

      Fifty percent seems about right for law enforcement across the board.

      Do you know what happens to police officers that shoot unarmed, innocent citizens? Or ones that get complaints from the public (which is how most TSA agents get cited)?They're put on a desk for a few days and then back to normal. Shoot someone in the back? The Blue Brotherhood protects you. Stomp some skell (or someone who looks like they might be a skell? The first round is on the house.

      I don't see why we should expect TSA to stand out.

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    5. Re:I blame Republicans by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

      While I agree with the pattern you're pointing out the TSA seriously needs to go. The only reason it's still around is that it provides jobs for the unemployable.

      If it's a jobs program we're looking for spend the money on replacing thousands of municipal waterworks running on pipes so corroded and plugged up that fire hydrants don't give enough pressure. Or spend the money creating a final say that will stop environmentalists from blocking desert solar power plants. Or finish making section 8 to break up the ghettos. Or clean out Chicago. There are a thousand other things that will pay back their costs. The TSA is a broken window.

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  5. All the worlds's a stage by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the TSA are merely players on the great stage of Security Theater.

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    1. Re:All the worlds's a stage by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Um, they weren't drafted. To them it's not about theater, it's about a paycheck and a pension. And it's really no more than sorting letters at the post office. They have no trouble as long as they don't think about it.

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    2. Re:All the worlds's a stage by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Um, they weren't drafted. To them it's not about theater, it's about a paycheck and a pension. And it's really no more than sorting letters at the post office. They have no trouble as long as they don't think about it.

      How fucking ironic you use the post office as your example to compare the TSA against, as if the term "going postal" means you're inviting the mailman in for a cup of tea...

    3. Re:All the worlds's a stage by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yep, I want you to be the first to board the planes from an airport with no, and I do mean no, "security theater". Please step right up, show what a He-Boy you really are.

    4. Re:All the worlds's a stage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference between "Security Theater" and "Security" is that one of them actually provides security. The other just gives you the feeling it does.

      Having no Security Theater at the airports would be awesome. So long as they're still actually doing searches for real illegal materials and real terrorists.

      For instance, Real Security would probably not prevent a toddler from boarding a plane simply because it's name shows up on the no-fly list. They'd probably use their head and realize the toddler isn't planning to hatch a terrorist plot. :P

    5. Re:All the worlds's a stage by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      One of my great uncles worked for the post office for 40 years. He didn't shoot anybody. He never even saw anyone get shot on the job either.

      As far as the TSA monkey is concerned it is that basic. People are just big loud heavy wet parcels to push through the gate. Then they go home and down a six pack to forget about the day. Another day in paradise. The problems arise when they can't tune out, in both jobs. I will grant the TSA job requires a bit more fortitude in that department, and maybe something stronger than beer. It's a matter of scale, not really the characteristics of the job.

      Nothing is going to change until we do. It's not as complicated as people like to make it. To do something about the TSA requires more introspection and situational awareness when voting. Reelecting the crooked congressman will not get you the results you are looking for.

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    6. Re:All the worlds's a stage by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Really? We have to take our shoes off because of Richard Reid, why our belts? When underwear boy lit his crotch ablaze, that justified now suddenly spending billions on scanners some of which to this day haven't had a conclusive radiation health study about their effects. No fluids brought through because of supposed threat by terrorists in Britain. Shit, all these terror morons have to do is come up with a viable scheme and millions of air traveling passengers have to be subjected extra security for the sake of feeling safe. We need to look at how the Israelis handle Airport security because let's be honest they have a much more effective and pragmatic way of screening passengers. I'm all for trying to make sure a terrorist never gets on another flight but lets be honest here the knee jerk stupidity of the DHS overwhelms logic and reason. Let's also not forget that when their budget gets cut there's a sudden lack of screening staff even though that wasn't part of the targeted budget reductions. When Texas threatened to get rid of the TSA in lieu of another state agency handling screening, suddenly DHS says "we won't allow flights into the US from Texas." Coercion, Brow beating and a huge budget with more than it's fair share of criminal activity they sound more like the IRS than a Homeland Security agency. The DHS is now another piggy at the trough in DC coming up with new and innovative ways to make us all hate air travel even more.

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    7. Re:All the worlds's a stage by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      or flipping burgers at McDonalds. The scanner goes beep... Fries done!

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    8. Re:All the worlds's a stage by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Shit, all these terror morons have to do is come up with a viable scheme and millions of air traveling passengers have to be subjected extra security for the sake of feeling safe.

      Nonsense. There's no need for the scheme to be viable. The liquid limit you mentioned proves that.

    9. Re:All the worlds's a stage by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "all these terror morons have to do is come up with a viable scheme and millions of air traveling passengers have to be subjected extra security for the sake of feeling safe"

      They don't even have to come up with a viable scheme. The aim is to cause those in authority to remove our freedoms and those in authority are gleefully using it as an excuse to do so.

      There have been viable defences against explosives in passenger baggage for years (thicker, porous container sides which can contain and vent the gas at a controlled rate, backed by extra webbing to hold it all together). Not used because it "costs too much" and adds a small amount of weight - and subsequent to 9/11 NO passenger is going to passively sit there when an aircraft is hijacked. (Even before this, there were a number of cases of irate passengers killing would-be hijackers).

      One of the biggest problems with all the security theatre is that they're hiring minimum wage monkeys to do the screening, then letting them get away with various larceny including theft form baggage - if stuff can be smuggled OUT then stuff can be smuggled IN and minimum wage monkeys are easily subverted for money (or the terrorists or the narcogangs can simply put their own people in there)

    10. Re:All the worlds's a stage by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      " There's no need for the scheme to be viable. The liquid limit you mentioned proves that."

      The liquid limit is cynically enforced at airports in order to force passengers to pay higher rates on the other side of the security checks.

    11. Re:All the worlds's a stage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, just maybe, you are taking off your belt because of the big metal buckle that would otherwise be setting off the metal detector and getting your balls checked while looking for waist level metals......

  6. That part of one line says it all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The TSA's job is to make airline passengers feel safer". The TSA 's job has never been to make air travel safer. Its job has always been security theater...to make it seem like the government was doing something to make us safer when flying. The TSA has really just made sure that many of us will not fly anywhere until it is disbanded! Personally I will not allow them to grope my genitals, nor will I allow nude x-ray pictures to be taken of myself, thereby greatly increasing my risk of cancer!

    Furthermore, people have gotten large weapons and explosives past the TSA screeners and on to aircraft! Terrorists no longer need to board the plane, they can kill more people at the line to board the plane!

    1. Re:That part of one line says it all! by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd argue that that one line is incorrect. TSA's job isn't to make airline passengers feel safer. It's to make them feel like they should feel unsafe except for the fact that the TSA is there.

      That is: Their job is to make you think that you need them to do their job, and that without them you would be killed.

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  7. Unintended consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if they are failing on not actually making us safer, does that mean they ARE making us safer even if we don't feel like it?

  8. This is Why... by rally2xs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I traded in a 3 year old car last year with 124,000 miles on the odometer. I very, very rarely fly any more due to the TSA nonsense. I load my junk in the trunk, climb into the driver's seat, and drive 2,500 miles to and 2,500 miles back from an event in Arizona, and then I have events to go to in St. Louis, Indianapolis, La Crosse, Madison, Pittsburgh, and Southern New Jersey. If I do an event in California, I MIGHT fly. I also MIGHT ship my bags by other means, too. Enough of the nonsense of violating the 4th Amendment by having GOVERNMENT agents blanket searching people just because they want to travel on an airplane. The GOVERNMENT can't legally do that, but they ignore the Constitution and do it anyway. Lots of the Constitution is being ignored, more every day, and I for one am not going to cooperate. They can stick it.

    1. Re:This is Why... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      You can't beat shipping your belongings by UPS or Fedex. They will get there on schedule and you'll have tracking and verification.

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    2. Re:This is Why... by rally2xs · · Score: 2

      I investigated that and decided I wasn't rich enough. Plus, there's the problem of exactly where do you ship it to, your motel, and then were do you ship it from. That last one is NOT your motel because they won't do it - I tried that with the post office. They wouldn't mess with it at the motel. OTOH, there are specific shipping companies for exactly this problem that are cheaper than UPS and FedEx, and if I get back to this sport for which I need to ship baggage / equipment all over the country, I may fall to the task of determining which one is best and which one is cheapest.

      My problem is, not rarely, of having to have certain equipment until just before I fly. That is, I can't dump it in UPS or FedEx a week earlier and let it bounce around on a semi out to California for a week, I need to send it maybe a day or 2 before I fly. With the regular services, this gets into "2nd day air" or "Overnight" and my bags are always on the teetering edge of the 50 lb limit the airlines have. Pricey pricey.

    3. Re: This is Why... by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      @ArchieBunker

      Unless your gear is expensive and fragile. I try not to let UPS / FedEx touch that at all. Even when protected in something like a Pelican case with full insurance.

      They seem to play rugby with that stuff for some reason. :/

      If you gotta do it though, do all of the above and send it overnight. The less time it's in their hands the better.

    4. Re:This is Why... by swb · · Score: 2

      I prefer driving as well, and even though we have a lot of direct flights from MSP, I find that security, delays, car rental, and so on worth nearly 3 hours or nearly 200 miles of road time on the Interstate. My limit, though, is about 500 miles because distances beyond that are just too time consuming for driving. I did have a trip to Springfield, IL, though which ended up being longer flying than driving would have been due to a cancelled flight and getting re-routed via Chicago.

      The upside even if driving is long is you can take stuff with you -- food, full-size monitor, a decent electric kettle, cooler, etc. All that makes a week at a budget hotel much more bearable, especially when you're working 12 hour days. I've worked a couple of projects where I literally didn't need to leave the hotel for 2 days (on one of those trips the manager called me on day 2 asking if everything was OK -- she explained they get edgy when guests at this location don't leave the room for a couple of days as it makes them think of crime/drugs).

      From a rights perspective, though, I think it's a mixed bag. The whole TSA experience is like visiting a prison, but I've kind of gotten to the point where I think they don't give a shit about anything but potentially violent people and no longer have the cop's what-can-I-bust-you-for-today mindset.

      And in your car, with out of state license plates? You're basically an engraved invitation for a moving violation and an intensive search, and god forbid the cop that pulls you over is anything other than a major city squad or a state trooper. The former don't generally bother with anything but egregious traffic violations and the latter the same, provided your car is late model and in decent shape.

      But small-town cops and county sheriff deputies can be real assholes to out of state cars. They are hot shit in their jurisdiction, shitkicker ex-football bullies making $20k/year and just convinced that someone from out of state is carrying mary-wanna and they just love to offer you a deal -- let me search your trunk, or you can have a stay in the county lockup, eat a moving violation, impound fees and lose 48 hours of your life.

    5. Re:This is Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I load my junk in the trunk, climb into the driver's seat

      Whereas with the TSA, your junk is in their hands!

    6. Re:This is Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true Trump supporter!

      (p.s. you're a whack job)

    7. Re:This is Why... by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "I prefer driving as well, and even though we have a lot of direct flights from MSP"

      I suspect that one of the unintended consequences of better automated vehicles will be the airlines losing custom.

      "And in your car, with out of state license plates?"

      Dashcams, etc, preferably with a concealed recorder holding a backup flash module.

  9. Timely news by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just a couple days ago, a TSA agent up here in the Pacific Northwest was arrested for taking up-skirt photos of women at Sea-Tac airport. Apparently he's been doing it for a while, too.

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    1. Re:Timely news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the link:
      http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/tsa-agent-arrested-on-suspicion-of-taking-lewd-photos-of-passengers/

    2. Re:Timely news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that illegal? If you don't want this, don't open your bottom up to the world! And WHAT exactly is so interesting up there anyway?

    3. Re: Timely news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pics or it didn't happen. We need to see proof.

    4. Re:Timely news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that illegal? If you don't want this, don't open your bottom up to the world! And WHAT exactly is so interesting up there anyway?

      There is one word for people like you: Moron.

    5. Re:Timely news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really. Lot better at the beach.

    6. Re:Timely news by khallow · · Score: 1

      If it was about seeing sexy parts of women, he could just browse the internet for free porn. Something like that is probably more about the hunt rather than what one gets.

    7. Re:Timely news by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Here's the link

      Thanks for posting that. I'd looked it up and even copied it to my clipboard - then I had a brain fart and forgot to include it in my post.

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  10. As for the *rest of the story* by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The other half just hasn't been caught yet.

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  11. Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like the Stanford Prison Experiment, only with a lot more experimental groups.

    This and the whole situation you have with shootings of blacks should be no surprise. You give one group of people power over another group with insufficient checks and balances, they misbehave and turn into giant douches.

    1. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest group of people shot by cops are white.

      Blacks are actually shot at a lower rate then their proclivity for violent crime would predict.

    2. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by TroII · · Score: 1

      The biggest group of people shot by cops are white.

      That's because white people make up much more of the population. If you fill a room with 80 white people and 20 black people, and you shoot 10 whites and 5 blacks, yes, "more white people got shot." But proportionally you've shot twice as many black people as white people. This is not a hard concept.

    3. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      There are other factors to control for such as crime rate and police interactions per racial group.

    4. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no "shooting of blacks". Troll harder, you nobody bite your race-bait.

    5. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However 52% of violent crime is perpetrated by African Americans*. Thus, one would expect 52% of people with violent police altercations should also be African American.

      *According to the FBI. Some dispute their claim.

    6. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the whole situation you have with shootings of blacks

      You mean, the whole situation you have with shootings of men. (Police shooting victims are roughly 30% black men, 60% white men, 10% other.)

    7. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      Crime rates are related to socioeconomic status and the raw fact in the USA is that there is a wildly disproportionate percentage of poor black people thanks to centuries of discrimination and the fact that the Jim Crow laws never really went away.

    8. Re:Basically a giant Stanford Prison Experiment by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      I won't deny that, but I was just pointing out the error in GPs use of statistics. The point was that when shootings are adjusted for police encounters, things even out quite a bit.

  12. Security theater 101 by plsuh · · Score: 1

    "The TSA's job is to make airline passengers feel safer and, not XXXXXXXXX actually make us safer..."

    There, FTFY.

    1. Re:Security theater 101 by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Funny
      "The TSA's job is to feel passengers"

      FTFY

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    2. Re:Security theater 101 by neilo_1701D · · Score: 1

      "The TSA's job is to feel passengers"

      FTFY

      I though the TSA was to drill into us that we are subject, not citizens.

    3. Re: Security theater 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that their job was to Touch Someone's Ass.

    4. Re:Security theater 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then they are failing miserably... I have only been felt up once, in 2010, and since then I have flown another 25 - 30 times... domestic and abroad.

      of course I am a 56 year old male... they'd probably feel me up more if I was a 20-something year old female...

  13. Going to vote with your wallet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, wait, no proper unions in America, so you can't just all decide as one voice to stop flying until the government disbands the TSA.

    Your fault for swallowing the bullshit that unions and union-like professional associations are tools of Socialists / Mobsters rather than free associations of people. A good union simply gives greater voice to those who have insufficient power on their own, and that includes a voice against government.

    With something like TSA, a group of unions would simply agree for all its workers to refuse to fly at airports which apply invasive security procedures - and, ideally, unions of airport and airplane workers would agree to strike in any airport in which the government attempted to install TSA agents. It's not about SMASHING CAPITALISM but working with the productive and against the leeches (who are sometimes business owners but just as often governments).

    1. Re: Going to vote with your wallet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So all of the Unions that we saw infiltrated by mafia from the 30s through the 80s were all outliers, right? Maybe you could give us a hint how to tell the shitty ones apart from the corrupt ones.

    2. Re: Going to vote with your wallet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh.

      0) The 80s are ages ago.

      1) This really hasn't been a problem *at all* in Europe. If your unions are badly built, try harder - it's worth it. Follow Germany's model.

      2) Maybe the extent of mobster infiltration in the US has been overstated by anti-union interests?

    3. Re:Going to vote with your wallet? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Actually Texas tried to make it illegal for the TSA to molest you with HB1937. The feds responded in their usual manner and said they would enact a "no fly zone" over the entire state if it passed.

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    4. Re: Going to vote with your wallet? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      0) The 80s are ages ago.

      I was born in '82, you insensitive clod!

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    5. Re: Going to vote with your wallet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Texas talked big and chickened out again?

      Sounds about right.

    6. Re: Going to vote with your wallet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      0) So you're saying history doesn't matter, and that the tendencies aren't there?
      1) I would love to. I think Germany's model would be a dream come true here. So, we agree on the goal. Ball back to your court - please provide a realistic implementation plan that takes into account the particular tendencies of people in the USA's culture.
      2) Maybe, or maybe the extent of the mob infiltration has been downplayed by interests that stand to make more money if the corruption stays unexposed.
      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Mafia#Mafia_Involvement_in_the_US_Economy
      • http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303496804579365273520794400
      • http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/donnie-brasco-says-mob-controls-construction-via-unions-1.1265332
      • https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ocgs/infiltrated-labor-unions
      • http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/america-powerful-mafia-family-active-unions-indictment-article-1.1063698
    7. Re: Going to vote with your wallet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Touche! You win!

      Texas chickened out again, but they certainly do talk big shit.

  14. Real security costs 10x what security theatre does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSA has always been security theatre. The public and the press need to rise up make the politicians actually do their job and not just fake it.

    And real security is going to require a lot of changes to things the US holds dear.

  15. Re:Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by magarity · · Score: 2

    that hired them, this isn't surprising

    Turnover at TSA is so high that there are very few Bush administration hires left.

  16. TSA should be replaced by inspectors by hawguy · · Score: 1

    The TSA should be replaced with a much much smaller group of enforcement inspectors and all they do is set security guidelines and test airport security. The actual security staff should be hired by the airports themselves, and all TSA does is test that they are meeting standards. (the standards that TSA themselves fail 95% of the time).

    1. Re:TSA should be replaced by inspectors by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      The smaller group already exists. It's the NTSB - the ones who've been testing the TSA.

      A large part of the problem is that as federal employees, TSA staff can get away with a lot more than they could as private employees and are a LOT harder to fire.

      It'd be interesting if the airports themselves started keeping stats and ,onitoring thei TSA staff, to see the true scale of the problem (rule of thumb: What's detected and reported is usually less than 1% of what's actually happening)

  17. Re:Real security costs 10x what security theatre d by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

    Real security is incompatible with mass air transit. Or indeed, free movement of people. The cost of real security is way higher than 10x the cost of the TSA.

  18. The Gold Standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The TSA has certifiably reached the Gold Standard of state-sponsored terrorism organization of the U.S. government against its citizens.

  19. Why haven't they caught them yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The other half of them, I mean.
    What's the holdup?

  20. feel safer by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The TSA's job is to make airline passengers feel safer ...."

    Yea, right. I'm going to feel safer with these obvious deviants and criminals groping me, taking dirty pictures of my family, and stealing what they can from my luggage? I simply refuse to fly any more.

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    1. Re:feel safer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... I simply refuse to fly any more.

      and everyone feels safer for that.

  21. Re:Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by negRo_slim · · Score: 2

    I don't care who started it or who hired them.

    I just want to know why, with the many problems over so many years, it hasn't been completely dismantled. One would think that with so many politicians keen on privatization this would have been done rather quickly and long ago.

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  22. Re:Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You shithead, this site hasn't been worth anyone's time in years.

  23. Re:Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

    I don't care who started it or who hired them.

    I just want to know why, with the many problems over so many years, it hasn't been completely dismantled. One would think that with so many politicians keen on privatization this would have been done rather quickly and long ago.

    This is simply what happens when Gov't thinks the people are just cannon fodder.

  24. Security theatrics by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

    So when looking objectively at the TSA, it was found that, despite all the expenses, security theater does not improve security. And that it isn't good theater, either.

    Why am I not surprised?

  25. Re:Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by Paleolibertarian · · Score: 2

    You obviously don't understand how a bureaucracy functions. It's function is to grow. Whenever tests are done that find inadequacies the answer is more TSA agents. Bureaucracies never die. They must be killed piecemeal. Completely destroyed and salt sewn in the barren remnants. Often they are just reborn with a new name.

    Remember. Politics is 2 words joined together. Poli = many and tics = blood sucking parasites.

  26. Anyone surprised? Really? by mr_resident · · Score: 1

    Look at them. Just spend a minute or two just watching one of those clowns. I think it's amazing most of them are able to walk upright.

  27. Monkey see monkey do by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    TSA is corrupt from the top of the organization on down.

    To put things into perspective TSA costs something like 7-8 billion/yr. The entire fucking FBI's budget is like 8-9 billion/yr.

  28. When... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the TSA be gone? Probably never.
    For other government employeees it is a good place to get embarassing relatives hired.
    For people with a hgh-school fuckoff/thug/bully type mentality it is a home.
    The TSA is part of the FBI/NSA/CIA/Homeland Security mega-bureaucracy....
    And congress hasn't bothered with reducing their funding.

  29. The balance of value.. by lionchild · · Score: 1

    So, to put this in perspective, let's think about the cost to hire a TSA worker to replace one you fire, vs. the cost to keep a bad one and "counsel" them, and print letters to send/give them to help them straighten up their act and flight right...so to speak.

    I'm guessing it's "easier" to just "counsel" the employee, opposed to firing them and going about hiring someone else.

    Any HR folks who can check my fuzzy math on this?

    Bottom Line: The TSA may have a "values" issue, because in a "normal" security job, misconduct would likely get you fired on the first offense.

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    1. Re:The balance of value.. by lrichardson · · Score: 1

      IIRC, the requirements for a frontline TSA grunt are a high school certificate ... or a few months in a 'related' occupation: read security guard. This means any high-school drop-out, with a few months as a mall guard, or night watchman, is qualified. And, the TSA refused, repeatedly, to fulfil their legal obligations, under FOIA, to disclose what the breakdown (graduates/drop-outs), citing 'SECURITY!!!'.

      Pathetic. Then again, un-tested x-ray machines, and you are forbidden to carry any radiation monitoring device. Passengers caught with such things can expect to miss their flight, at a minimum.

      A group so under-qualified for what they are supposed to do it is staggering. And, when their failure rate is over 98% on any tests, their solution is "We need to hire more people!".

      Seriously?

  30. Counterpower by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Obviosuly TSA lacks some counterpowers. It seems justice and press were not enough, so what can be done?

  31. Re: Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The TSA was created by an act of Congress.

  32. Re:Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the Clinton Crime Family???

  33. Why is government the answer? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Tell me again why you think government can solve all of our society's problems? I ask because I need a good chuckle today.

  34. The wonderful benefit of capatalism by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 0

    ... going for the lowest bidder that in term pays the lowest salary to employees that barely qualify to do the work, sometimes.
    there are things that you can, and should do in this manner, but the work that TSA does isn't one of them.

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    1. Re:The wonderful benefit of capatalism by magarity · · Score: 1

      WTF? TSA is a section of the DHA and does its own hiring. They don't outsource to any bidder, lowest or otherwise.

  35. Nix the TSA, but create single-payer health care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to eliminate the TSA, but feel single-payer health care is a great idea, you're incoherent.

    At best.

    Because it's THE SAME INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT. How would that government run a health care system? By doing things like lying about wait times to see a doctor.

  36. 220lbs/~100kilo of cannabis by kimvette · · Score: 1

    "and also cited the case of an Oakland TSA officer who for two years helped smugglers slip more than 220 pounds of marijuana through airport security checkpoints, "

    I see no problem with this, other than that they had to smuggle it. The DEA and FDA have already admitted that not only is cannabis harmless and nonaddictive, but has many health benefits and that the government has lied for decades. The guy who assisted the smugglers should be commended for doing what is right, not cited for wrongdoing.

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  37. Re:Considering it was the Bush Crime Family... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since the Bush admin and the Republican't party conspired to make the TSA "Civil Service Free" i.e. with no incentive to improve the product or protect the workers rights, why is anyone surprised at wholesale failure to perform?
    Capitalists love capitalism, except for the "paying for work" part