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Turn Your Android Phone Into a Laptop For $99 With the Superbook (techinsider.io)

An anonymous Slashdot reader writes: A company called Andromium is attempting to harness the processing power of your Android smartphone and turn it into a full fledged computer. The 'Superbook' consists of a 11.6-inch laptop shell, which you connect to your phone via a USB Micro-B or Type-C cable, and run the Andromium OS application (currently in beta, but available in the Play Store)... The leader of the project and Company co-founder Gordon Zheng, previously worked at Google and pitched the idea to them... They refused so he quit his job and founded Andromium Inc.

In December 2014 the company had introduced their first product which was a dock which used the MHL standard to output to external monitor. That campaign failed, however their newest creation, the Superbook smashed their Kickstarter goal in just over 20 minutes.

And within their first 38 hours, they'd crowdfunded $500,000. In an intriguing side note, Andromium "says it'll open its SDK so developers can tailor their apps for Andromium, too, though how much support that gets remains to be seen," reports Tech Insider. But more importantly, "Andromium says its prototypes are finished, and that it hopes to ship the Superbook to backers by February 2017."

126 comments

  1. Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I turned my laptop into a laptop, for free

    1. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are massive privacy concerns with using a consumption device like a phone as a PC. My PC stores important and personal data. My phone does not.

      I smell a data harvesting/spyware scam named "Andromium".

    2. Re:Also by sumdumass · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I smell an idiot.

      People have all sorts of personal information on their phones from apps to access their banking to email from same and even resumes they send to job prospects.

    3. Re:Also by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Not everybody is stupid enough to use a phone app for banking.

      If a thief steals your card, you're protected from that. If they steal your phone with your 3rd party banking app, you're probably liable for whatever is done with your app. You should only do that with a device that you can maintain physical security. A mobile device can never guarantee physical security.

    4. Re:Also by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand you typically carry your phone with you everywhere and never leave it unattended. A desktop or laptop on the other hand is likely to often be left at home or in the office etc... Someone could easily break in and steal it.
      A bit of vigilance with your phone and its less likely to get stolen than a laptop or desktop.

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    5. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're arguing that it's more likely that someone breaks into your house and steals your laptop than that you lose your phone or get mugged?

      I invite you to check into these ingenious devices called "doors". The high-quality ones even have these magical anti-burglar technology called "locks". No, unfortunately I don't think you can buy them at an Apple store.

    6. Re:Also by chill · · Score: 1

      My phone is encrypted and protected with a fairly strong password (12-digit PIN in my case). In addition, the mobile banking app is also protected with a different, fairly strong password. It has multi-factor authentication, but since that is a text to my phone that doesn't count here.

      Since my life is on the phone and I use it to constantly stay in touch with family and friends, plus things like navigation, and quick look-ups of information, it is always on me. So much so that I'd sooner forget my wallet or car keys than my phone.

      Finally, my phone is not only constantly backed up, it has, essentially, a GPS locator that I can use from my PC to to find it. Just enter "where's my android phone" into Google, assuming you're logged in to your Google account.

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    7. Re: Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... That's why you turn on encryption with password protection on your phone. And I've never had a malware problem with my iPhone. Not too concerned about the banking app.

    8. Re:Also by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      I turned my laptop into a laptop, for free

      i turned a few android phones into bricks, by upgrading the OS.

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    9. Re:Also by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I agree with him that a person needs to consider this. It is true for some users; some users don't have a secure home computer, and they probably should not be banking online at all. However, I totally disagree with the idea that because a home computer might be even less safe than a phone, that that means it is safe to bank on the phone. The reality is that it is a minor convenience, it doesn't enable any significant activity or financial process; if you don't have a way to do internet banking safely, you don't really need to do it.

  2. What do you gain from this? by ArtemaOne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there any reason to have highly customized hardware, which inevitably drives up the price in comparison to similarly capable products, rather than just using, say, a Chrombook? The integration seems more like a reliance when all the relevant information can simply be synched anyway.

    1. Re:What do you gain from this? by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The theory I think is that you "upgrade" your phone every 1-2 years, but don't do the same for your laptop. They now want your "laptop" performance to improve with the phone upgrade as well.

      Probably the most interesting part of their plan is the $99 device, its very cheap and includes everything you need. Most likely it also has a processor on board, and that processor needs to be capable enough to send the app data over the cable. It seems the app communicates over the chromecast protocol, so the processor needs to be powerful enough to decode the video codec in real time. If it can be bought independently, its probably very nice as a throw-away laptop, or for schools.

    2. Re:What do you gain from this? by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Sounds kind of neat, but also like something that could be pulled off in software updates to regular Chromebooks. However if it does require data speeds in excess of whatever USB standard is being used now, this could be nice. Thanks for the insight.

    3. Re:What do you gain from this? by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only problem with that is my laptop that is around 7 years old is still massively more powerful than the best modern smartphone, hell even my 10 year old one would be preferrable. why would I want such restrictive performance of a phone without the form factor benefits?

    4. Re:What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do. I always buy sub $300 laptops, usually under $250 now (my last one was $238, quad core intel, 4GB and more HD than I'll ever use). Much easier to program and interface than a phone and now monthly service charge.

    5. Re:What do you gain from this? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying you're wrong, but what 7 year old laptop do you have?

    6. Re:What do you gain from this? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Lenovo W500 with a Core 2 (actually it is 8 years old, I also have an almost 6 year old W520 it was top of the line at the time with an i7 with 16GB of ram and 256GB SSD, I also have a 7 year old more budget lightweight oriented laptop I bought for travel an ASUS i5 with 4GB of ram can't remember the model as it is in car, but it is prior to them bringing out zenbooks.) all of which decimate any current phone.

    7. Re:What do you gain from this? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      If performance is anything like http://maruos.com/ on the Nexus 5... no thanks, I can get that performance from Raspbian on $60 worth of Pi + $20 for Keyboard and mouse.

    8. Re:What do you gain from this? by Teckla · · Score: 1

      The only problem with that is my laptop that is around 7 years old is still massively more powerful than the best modern smartphone, hell even my 10 year old one would be preferrable. why would I want such restrictive performance of a phone without the form factor benefits?

      How much power does the average user need for their web browsing, email, music, and videos? Is your typical smartphone fast enough for that use case?

    9. Re:What do you gain from this? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I don't live in a world where I can synch everything for free from A to B. Especially if you consider the time involved.

      And actually my devices are like books. 90% of all things I don't want to be synched but on a particular device. Just like my notes in my paper notebooks.

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    10. Re:What do you gain from this? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      17" PowerBook.
      Mate ofc.

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    11. Re:What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course it is, but then how many people that need a laptop would actually prefer to carry a cheap ass shell with crap screen that they plug in a device not configured for use as a laptop than an actual genuine laptop configured for use as a laptop.

    12. Re:What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, the most current low end 5" phones with at least a quad core ARM A7 and 1GB RAM are somehow more usable than an old laptop. Think worn out overheating XP box with no hardware video decoder worth talking about. Or Windows 7 but in bad shape regarding the power connector, too.

      You can service the laptop (new power connector, thermal paste job, installing a clean OS, order a new keyboard) but that's a bit involved.
      Likely, the smartphone and the crummy laptop (even unrepaired) will supplement each other, esp. if you'd rather have a real linux or Windows on the laptop. Eventually if someone finds oneself with the smartphone as the more reliable computer, the laptop shell for a smartphone is something great to look into and it can bring computing freedom in the right circumstances. One day you might plug a laptop shell into a raspberry pi-like computer, or even into a desktop!
      With the right set up, we're even back to the Unix-like multi-user machine or the Z80 and 8086 clones with dumb serial terminals.
      Obviously, people will run two-versions-behind Android crap. That sucks balls, or is alright under the right set up (again.. but harder). Might be a Ubuntu-something phone or tablet.

    13. Re:What do you gain from this? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Pi + power supply + memory card + HDMI cable + HDMI monitor + USB keyb and mouse.. It's not that expensive, but you can get a 2016 or 2015 phone instead (SIM card optional)

      The problem is to get one that is well supported, respects user freedom and doesn't get orphaned, the latter is the hardest part.

    14. Re:What do you gain from this? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Who says they're carrying it anywhere? In my experience most people buy laptops that never leave the house.

    15. Re: What do you gain from this? by mspohr · · Score: 2

      My 6 year old MacBook is a pig. I got tired of looking at the spinning rainbow and bought a Chromebook. It's fast, responsive and does most everything I need. I can see that a phone with an ARM processor would make a good laptop.

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    16. Re:What do you gain from this? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 2

      Here's the thing about your laptops. They are large, heavy, loud, and hot. While they do have more performance than a Samsung Galaxy S7, it's really not by much, and it won't be noticeable to this products target.

      This product will let people perform productivity tasks using a device they're probably carrying around with them anyways, and a keyboard/display/battery combo that will be light, thin, quiet, and cool. Not only that, they won't have to throw it away when they get a new phone, and the performance/features will just keep upgrading as the phones evolve.

      I think this is a damn good idea. Why buy a smartphone AND a laptop that you will have to end up upgrading both?

    17. Re:What do you gain from this? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      The ASUS is not loud heavy and hot and it is 7 YEARS OLD, it was purchased because it is basically silent, extremely light and cool, yet still beats the very top of the line Galaxy s7 performance wise. The whole point is if you are carrying around a laptop shell you may as well carry a lightweight laptop, it will perform a fuck load better than a Galaxy s7, will have far better resolution that the POS screen coming with this shell and you won't be reliant on your phone as your only means of computing power.

    18. Re:What do you gain from this? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      How do you run a software update to update your chromebook from quad-core A8 to 8-core A9? A USB-C phone and USB-C laptop converter will be good for 5-10 years, at least as long as the average laptop today, and much longer than the average phone.

    19. Re:What do you gain from this? by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I guess the confusing thing for me is that I don't use Chromebooks. My wife had one and I hate them, and she did too. I wouldn't upgrade crappy slow processors like that.

    20. Re:What do you gain from this? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Convenience of having your data anywhere...
      With the docks being cheap, many of the advantages of the form factor are not lost - for instance you can keep a dock at work, one at home, and only carry one with you when you know you're going to use it but always have your data accessible to you.

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    21. Re: What do you gain from this? by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      My 7 year old macbook is fine, but it has an SSD... OSX performs terribly these days if you don't have an SSD.

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    22. Re: What do you gain from this? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Mine is an Air with a SSD.
      Each release of OSX has made it worse. Really unusable.
      The Chromebook is refreshingly fast.

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    23. Re:What do you gain from this? by tepples · · Score: 1

      The whole point is if you are carrying around a laptop shell you may as well carry a lightweight laptop

      A laptop shell would probably be a lot cheaper than a lightweight laptop (including the Windows license) and the tethering upgrade for your existing phone's data plan.

    24. Re:What do you gain from this? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was a "special sale", but I recently saw a Pi3 + 2A power supply + class 10 memory card + case + HDMI cable for $57... BYOKMM.

    25. Re:What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it massively more powerful? I have a Samsung S6 and the most recent Macbook Air. I have the game X-Com for both...and I would say that the game plays much smoother on my phone. I don't really notice any difference in how long it takes for web pages to load up.

      You also have to remember that of course $100 cell phone laptops aren't going to be used to render 3D scenes or whatever people do with "powerful" laptop processors in 2016.

    26. Re: What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a fucking 6 year old low end air. No duh it's getting slow and rough around the edges. The air models are not power houses.

      Meanwhile my 5 year old i7 mb pro works like a new computer. I never see the spinning rainbow. Yea I do keep it updated with the latest macOS.

    27. Re: What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if the chrome book does all you need, and is fast, it sounds like a win. But many of us have needs far beyond what a chrome book can do, i.e. Video editing, music production, programming, 3d modeling, network pen testing, etc.

    28. Re:What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you live in a place where there are no such concerns, which is pretty much everywhere except the USA. If you need a crappy product to get around those asinine conditions, I feel bad for you.

    29. Re:What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as your phone has the apps you need, sure, but if it doesn't a laptop is far superior. Most people these days just need their phones to get on the web/web services. Some of us still require real computers with large screens and calculation capabilities that blow away mobile phones. That and we don't whine about everything, including hauling around a far superior laptop. Laptops don't have to be hot and loud as you say. My 4 year old lenovo runs quite and rarely as the fan kick up loud enough to hear. The solid state drive makes it even quieter.

    30. Re:What do you gain from this? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The one benefit I see is to maintain state. You pull out your phone and start on something, realize you need something better for typing and viewing on and you can just continue to work on the expanded interface without starting over.

    31. Re: What do you gain from this? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Yes, the convenience of having your data everywhere: at home, at work, in Google's data mine, in NSA headquarters, ....

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    32. Re:What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point is if you are carrying around a laptop shell you may as well carry a lightweight laptop

      A laptop shell would probably be a lot cheaper than a lightweight laptop (including the Windows license) and the tethering upgrade for your existing phone's data plan.

      much cheaper? no, a little cheaper than a basic laptop but not much and certainly a shit load slower and less functional than a normal laptop. most of the world don't have tethering restrictions and even most places that do it is not enforced or can be bypassed with ease.

    33. Re: What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think your 6 year old MacBook was a pig then a phone with an ARM processor is going to be a Pig with no legs as by comparison it will have far less grunt.

    34. Re: What do you gain from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, I'm running El Capitan on my early 2008 Macbook Pro, 2.5 GHz Core 2 Duo and 4GB of RAM.

      It ran like a dog when I upgraded, but an SSD makes it usable now (still not a speed demon).

      Unfortunately, Sierra will not support it, so I will leave it dual booting Snow Leopard and El Capitan and buy a non-Apple laptop for my next notebook. Possibly one of these Superbooks to use with my Galaxy S6!

  3. A bad feeling by fnj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a feeling at that price the display is going to be a joke. What would be the point of connecting a 2560x1440 phone to a 800x480, or even a 1280x800 display?

    1. Re:A bad feeling by slashcross · · Score: 2

      I have a feeling at that price the display is going to be a joke. What would be the point of connecting a 2560x1440 phone to a 800x480, or even a 1280x800 display?

      The kickstarter site says it's a 768P HD screen, so yes. It will be exactly as you say.

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    2. Re:A bad feeling by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      So it's exactly the perfect resolution on an 11.6" laptop.
      Seriously, go get one and put some Linux Mint Mate or something on it, it's all crisp and if you make it higher res you'll just run the risk of making things unreadable.

      You don't NEED 400 or 500 dpi everywhere, especially if you're going to use this as a desktop replacement (just run real desktop software such as LibreOffice, a web browser, a real file manager etc.)

    3. Re:A bad feeling by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Because you don't hold a laptop 6" from your face.

    4. Re:A bad feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you can actually see it? I've used this approach for years travelling, though on a different scale. tiny laptop, bluetooth keyboard and HDMI cable. Every hotel has a TV, all but one (thank you germany) has HDMI. I can now use a full size screen instead of a tiny screen. I'm happier, and really, you're not getting that good a video out of your phone. resoution exceeds what you can stare at for an hour on the tiny screen.

    5. Re:A bad feeling by phorm · · Score: 1

      No, but at least 1080p would be nice.
      And yes, one can easily tell the difference between 720p or 1080p on a 12" display, given the normal eye-distance between my face and a laptop. It's not just about the clarity either, but about how much space you have for multiple windows etc. Since this is like just a projection of your android OS onto another screen it doesn't really matter though, since the mobile OS doesn't really do multi-window.

  4. I will buy it in a heartbeat by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    No doubt. I am using chromebook. I use my home desktop only for connecting to VPN to work. This will be great. The shell must have enough space inside to store some really long life batteries. Even a small glove box for cables?

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    1. Re:I will buy it in a heartbeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why not stay with a chromebook then? better speed, better display, more flexible storage and connectivity options and not stuck with all the problems of trying to use your Phone OS as your laptop, it isn't liked this option gives you something better or solves a problem. seems to fail on performance, flexibility, connectivity, and convenience.

    2. Re:I will buy it in a heartbeat by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      net working.. tethering etc might be a little more convenient. Some apps are tied to the phone, for example whats app. so...

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    3. Re:I will buy it in a heartbeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seriously you want a laptop to use whats app etc?

    4. Re: I will buy it in a heartbeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you use it a lot, it would be nice to have a chat window on your laptop. Not weird really.

  5. Why? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

    I mean seriously at this point a laptop with similar levels of performance as your phone is a fraction of the price. If you are going to carry around a laptop shell you may as well make it a real laptop that won't have the shit ton of limitations that this is going to have.

    1. Re:Why? by Teckla · · Score: 1

      I mean seriously at this point a laptop with similar levels of performance as your phone is a fraction of the price. If you are going to carry around a laptop shell you may as well make it a real laptop that won't have the shit ton of limitations that this is going to have.

      Do average users want to, and are they capable of, properly administering an OS like Windows?

    2. Re:Why? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      why does it have to be windows? what is wrong with Linux or chrome if you don't like windows? though a user that is not capable of managing windows is unlikely to be capable of handling all the scaling issues and problems that come up with running a niche solution like this as well.

    3. Re:Why? by Teckla · · Score: 1

      why does it have to be windows?

      I didn't say it had to be Windows. That's why I said an OS like Windows. For what it's worth, I don't think your average user is even remotely capable of safely and effectively administering Windows, OS X, or desktop Linux.

      what is wrong with Linux or chrome if you don't like windows?

      I didn't say anything was wrong with ChromeOS. In fact, I think Chromebooks are probably the ideal solution for 95% of average users.

    4. Re:Why? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Do average users want to, and are they capable of, properly administering an OS like Windows?

      Yes. Turn it on. Done. Administered.

      Microsoft has dumbed it down to that point for us. Updates? It'll work itself out. Viruses? Just hit the refresh button if it goes tits up and windows defender can't fix it. Backups? You mean your files weren't on Onedrive?

      Seriously if you're "administering" a windows machine without being paid a salary to do so then you're doing it very wrong.

    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its NOT a full fleged computer! If you had ever used a decent laptop you would realize this. My 6 year old Lenovo laptop ($133 refurbished) will outperform your $500-$600 "smart" phone at everything (only it isn't a cell phone). It also does not let google or (Cr)apple track me and steal personal info like your phone does (it is not running the Windows 10 spyware OS). I have faster (core 2 duo at 2,53Ghz) processor, more system memory and more storage than your phone. Trying to use your phone as a laptop is just a really dumb idea. Its been tried before and didn't catch on, why should this time be any different?

    6. Re:Why? by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Do average users want to, and are they capable of, properly administering an OS like Windows?

      Yes. Turn it on. Done. Administered.

      Microsoft has dumbed it down to that point for us. Updates? It'll work itself out. Viruses? Just hit the refresh button if it goes tits up and windows defender can't fix it. Backups? You mean your files weren't on Onedrive?

      Seriously if you're "administering" a windows machine without being paid a salary to do so then you're doing it very wrong.

      We'll have to agree with disagree. My non-technical Windows-using and macOS-using friends get themselves into trouble all the time because taking care of their Windows and macOS systems is far too hard for non-technical users.

    7. Re:Why? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I think this is aimed more at people who have a fairly expensive phone and don't really need a fullblown PC, but still would like have better keyboard etc. for home use (not so much for dragging around). That, in my observation, is a LOT of people.

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    8. Re:Why? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not taking care or actively damaging them? I don't recall the last time I "took care" of anything on my windows PC. I think that may have been about a year ago when I changed my password.

      There's no administration required on a Windows machine, and the other side of that statement is there's nothing magical about Android that prevents the system burning down in a blaze of virus glory. Both systems will run fine without intervention. Both systems will fail spectacularly with the wrong intervention. Both systems can ultimately be recovered by doing a factory restore.

      Again if you're "taking care" of your OS you're doing it wrong. The OS takes care of itself, heck mine just told me this morning that it applied updates for itself while I slept.

  6. Key feature by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    the new design allows you do drop your laptops guts into the toilet. Whereas before it was fairly hard to drop your chromebook in, an android phone will slip into the porcelain bowl of doom easily.

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    1. Re: Key feature by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Do you have a problem dumping phones in the crapper? How do you do this? Most people put their butt over the crapper, not their head.

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    2. Re: Key feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 in ten phone accidents are dropping into the toilet
      http://www.webpronews.com/too-many-people-are-dropping-their-iphones-into-toilets-2012-10/

  7. WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of the advertisement: WOW! I could of had a V8 - Linux!

  8. Not bad idea... by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Quick fix for cracked screen phones which seems to happen to me with every phone. Now make it a touch screen too.so the phone can act a a big tablet.

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    1. Re:Not bad idea... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A quick fix for a problem with a broken device is to use a device that is 4 times the size to restore functionality?

      Not to mention it would be cheaper to just get your screen fixed.

    2. Re:Not bad idea... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      New life for outdated/discarded phones, too.

      Wonder if it works with phones that are in provider limbo, but still work fine otherwise.

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  9. Atrix by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Informative

    Motorola did this five years ago with ATRIX. Didn't catch on then, but I though it was interesting at the time.

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    1. Re: Atrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted to believe. Never forked out the dough, though.

    2. Re:Atrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Bionic, too, for Verizon. I still have both the Bionic, and the Moto Lapdock. The Lapdock works well with a Raspberry Pi 2 (and the right HDMI and USB adapter cables). I use the Bionic as a media player (and sometime home monitor camera) in a Moto media dock. The Webtop software that enabled this was basically a chroot sort of Linux that switched the sceen mode of many apps to take full advantage of the 1366x768 11-inch Lapdock screen, and used the keyboard and touchpad to good effect (as good as a touchpad can do - I hate them, and would much rather have a Thinkpad Trackpoint...).

      My next Moto, a Razr HD, could connect to the Lapdock, but did not run Webtop, so its apps just looked like a big 720p phone screen. I suspect that since this was about the time Google owned Motorola Mobility, they killed any Webtop upgrades as a threat to their then-new Chrome OS...

    3. Re: Atrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was available for around or under $50 for quite a long time. I got a couple, and used them for a while with various embedded things, but the novelty wore off pretty quickly.

    4. Re:Atrix by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see this with bluetooth instead of a dock so you can just leave the phone in your pocket. Not sure if the bandwidth would work though.

    5. Re:Atrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since this device is using the chromecast protocol, it should be possible to connect over a peered wireless connection. Most phones would need to be connected to mobile data while the wifi is used for this device; although I recall some laptops being able to share wifi connections - so even this limitation might be overcome.

    6. Re:Atrix by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd like to see this with bluetooth instead of a dock so you can just leave the phone in your pocket. Not sure if the bandwidth would work though.

      One of the big things the Lapdock provided was POWER to the phone... Can't get that if you leave your phone in your pocket.

      And no, bluetooth doesn't provide remotely enough speed for screen updates... WiFi is faster, but still not realistically fast enough, and you'd have to lose your internet connectivity to use it that way. Not to mention your phone would be consuming a lot of power just to refresh the screen, instead of doing any useful work.

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    7. Re: Atrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG I loved my Atrix. So much flexability. A phone on the go, then when away at hotle etc, I just plug thephone into the dock, the HDMI in the TV and got the BT keyboard out and I am away. Great to stream F1 and Movies.

      Though the Atrix is dead now, I still use the keyboard and mouse, just wish it would all work with my Moto G

    8. Re:Atrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atrix is perfect for Raspberry Pi custom laptops when you find two strange connectors for USB/HDMI in China...

    9. Re:Atrix by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Microsoft also released Tablet computers in 2002 so why was the iPad successful? Being early is the same thing as being wrong.

      But the ATRIX didn't really have the requisite performance back then, it was just a little too early. Smartphone performance has increased DRAMATICALLY since the Motorola ATRIX. Five and a half years in smartphone advancement is an incredible level of improvement. A dual-core 1Ghz A9 with 1GB of memory (ATRIX 4G, 2011) to quad core1.2Ghz A57 and 4GB of memory.(Samsung S7). There are even eight core ARM CPUs available now. At some point smartphones might be "good enough for enough people" to reach that critical mass to make a product like this successful. Or maybe not.

    10. Re:Atrix by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      How do Chromecast, Miracast, "Ipad cast" work? I suppose the wifi hardware can multitask (think MIMO, 802.11n) and it may be why casting things tend to use a special ad hoc wifi link between the two things.
      It's doable, more so with 5GHz wifi but 60GHz wifi is better suited to displays. Given that 60GHz wifi isn't available yet, doing this wireless is a big waste of spectrum and power, I agree with that.

      I supsect someone will make a wireless laptop shell after this one gets wildly successful, but it would be more expensive too, requiring a real ARM SoC inside and thus making the shell.. a laptop.

      What the shell is using is not Chromecast protocol though, everyone gets that wrong. It's Displaylink. What does that mean is it's a USB 3.0 to display adapter, same as you can buy for your PC.
      It's not the greatest thing but reportedly, it got much better compared to early USB 2.0 adapters : usable video playback is achievable ; early ones were mostly for documents and powerpoints etc. (e.g. interface to the corporate projector if you lack other means)
      I'm sure that made the design much easier : you merely have to bundle a Displaylink chip, a USB hub and glue them together with the display panel and keyboard etc. and you don't rely on the phone supporting display output (various). The Displaylink and panel (LED lit) became very low power compared to a decade ago.
      If the phone does only USB 2.0 it might be slow (I know nothing of USB 3.0 software and hardware support on phones) but will do command line terminals and word processors fine.

    11. Re: Atrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      getneptune.com
      They are working on an Android watch with WiGig (60GHz short range, high throughput) for wireless display sharing

    12. Re:Atrix by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Most phone SoC have hardware H.264 encoding on board (and screen casting uses this in all those cases). It may not always look sharp and clear, but it's definitely not high-bandwidth compared to raw.

    13. Re:Atrix by evilviper · · Score: 1

      How do Chromecast, Miracast, "Ipad cast" work?

      Answer: Poorly.

      Big momentary glitches, visible compression artifacts all the time, lots of processor overhead you don't get with a wired link.

      HDMI has bandwidth of 340MHz, and throughput of 18 Gbit/s. Get back to me when your WiFi can support that.

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  10. strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this is for people that want a laptop, are happy to carry a laptop but don't want the performance of a laptop.... WTF? lets add in that now when you lose or drop your phone you have now lost both your phone AND your laptop.

    1. Re:strange by darkain · · Score: 2

      Actually, not quite. I see this device being better for the corporate space than the consumer space. This is exactly for the people who DONT want to carry a laptop around. Have you ever had a job with a "work from home" option with a company provided laptop that you had to lug back and forth to work every single day? Now imagine if you just had a cheap device at work and a cheap device at home, and only had to port your phone back and forth, and could easily dock into both.

      This thing is essentially an alternative to docking stations for laptops, only now it is a docking station for your phone.

    2. Re:strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly for the people who DONT want to carry a laptop around. Have you ever had a job with a "work from home" option with a company provided laptop that you had to lug back and forth to work every single day?[...]

      OMG! The Humanity! The Tragic Horror of it all! To The SafePlace at once!

      My gawd is right, talk about first world problems. Can't wait till the complaints come in about peoples phone dying and then they are stuck with this "dino-device" that cannot be used for anything but target practice. (And dude, you might want to carry around something that weighs more than 7oz. It surly shows. You know, when you struggle to open the door to that business when the AC is on, it means something.)

  11. thats a really good idea by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    i will buy one as soon as they make them available

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  12. Worlds most underpowered laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So it would be the worlds most underpowered laptop... and I couldn't use my phone while using it.

    Awesome!

  13. You are missing the potential benefit: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We now have laptop shells available to install *OUR OWN* cell phone sized SBCs in to provide laptops which aren't currently available in the market, and don't have standardized board dimensions to retrofit into to begin with. Now we DO!

    That could be a huge win for those of us who no longer trust x86, but need need a laptop dimensioned device for our general purpose portable computing needs. The only issues I see are: Does it support HDMI in for the screen. And if not: What display chip is it using via USB2/3 and is it compatible with open source drivers?

    Personally USB2/3+HDMI+Minijack would cover the necessary connections to make this case useful to me. If it had both hdmi/usb output to the display, even better, since I could use devices that had either or both available for screen output.

    1. Re:You are missing the potential benefit: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That could be a huge win for those of us who no longer trust x86

      seriously WTF! anyone that actually cared about that would just gut an existing laptop with the desired screen and shell they want and do there own thing. this is a solution looking for a problem that does not exist.

    2. Re:You are missing the potential benefit: by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That could be a huge win for those of us who no longer trust x86

      What is that supposed to mean? The words look like normal words, but it makes no sense. You stopped trusting a CPU command set? What?

    3. Re:You are missing the potential benefit: by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      The dipshit is probably referring to the system management module which is used to remotely administer hardware in pre-boot situations. For some reason, having the ability to do useful stuff with the hardware without an OS booted is a serious problem for some people.

    4. Re:You are missing the potential benefit: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "no longer trust x86" is likely a terse way of saying "there are no new x86-family chips that we can trust". Both Intel and AMD have some system management features that amount to a giant security back door.

      https://libreboot.org/faq/#intel

      https://libreboot.org/faq/#amd

    5. Re:You are missing the potential benefit: by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They don't seem to be aware that all CPUs have microcode that actually works differently than the published command set. Their paranoia should have started 30 years ago, and they should be unwilling to use any modern CPU.

      Even something simple like an 8 bit microcontroller actually works differently than the published command set. ANY modern digital IC chip could be doing "anything" if the manufacturer was part of a conspiracy to do something other than just sell chips.

      People who are paranoid in this way should just stop trusting computers in the first place instead of worrying about each new chip being outside of their personal ability to verify functionality.

    6. Re:You are missing the potential benefit: by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Those links just tell me "nobody" is going to be using libreboot in the future.

      And with good reason; the GNU boot loader that people actually use is called grub, not libreboot. Libreboot is just a grub tagalong that, apparently, has as its purpose to not work very many places. Nifty! But not notable.

      Having CPU code that you can't access just means it is a CPU; that is not news, or unique to the systems they whine about. Nobody sells CPUs without a "back door" if you consider code that the manufacturer can run that the user can't access to be a "backdoor." This is true because no modern CPU for decades actually operates the way the user-accessible API presents itself. For good reasons. The good news is, there is no application ecosystem making use of that, so it doesn't matter for software freedom. Everything happens on the user side according to the published APIs and CPU command sets, so software freedom isn't affected. Clue up and be more consistent, don't just be paranoid about the few details you heard of.

    7. Re:You are missing the potential benefit: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with good reason; the GNU boot loader that people actually use is called grub, not libreboot. Libreboot is just a grub tagalong that, apparently, has as its purpose to not work very many places. Nifty! But not notable.

      I'm not sure why you mention this as libreboot isn't a bootloader, it is a BIOS replacement.

  14. Bwhold! the bluwtooth port replicator! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Androids cant be a X11 client to a likewise 3dhud co-processor. So does that just leave us at a series of framebuffer copies to said 3dhud co-processor.

    1. Re: Bwhold! the bluwtooth port replicator! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yeah, a real desktop window manger is right out the window. You'll be clicking on smartphone apps, unless developers target this new device, which would increase production costs, and fragment Android even further.

  15. Why? by ricks03 · · Score: 2

    My smartphone IS a full-fledged computer with a tiny screen. If I want to emulate a desktop with a bigger screen, all I need is a bluetooth keyboard and Chromecast/Miracast.

  16. Just use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... you connect to your phone via a USB Micro-B or Type-C cable ...

    Plug in a Bluetooth mouse and a keyboard with a mini-USB adapter, a phone stand and a flat, oblong magnifying lens with a riser/spacer. It'll cost the same but the tools can be re-purposed for other activities.

    1. Re:Just use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plug in a Bluetooth mouse and a keyboard with a mini-USB adapter, a phone stand and a flat, oblong magnifying lens with a riser/spacer. It'll cost the same but the tools can be re-purposed for other activities.

      And welcome to Brazil. Right down to zombies staring into tiny magnified screens. Apparently Terry Gilliam could see into the future long ago and then he made a film about it. ~

  17. Cool idea but.. by forgottenusername · · Score: 1

    Those sorts of low-powered laptops are already incredibly cheap and nearly disposable, so why would I want one that requires my phone?

    What's going to happen Soon(tm) is your phone will be able to do a decent display projection + keyboard. The whole any-surface desktop idea. + multitouch. Then we'll be talkin'

    Right now I'm just looking at getting a cheap chromebook that converts to a table and running android apps on it. Really only useful for me when traveling, so not a high priority.

    1. Re:Cool idea but.. by tepples · · Score: 1

      The problem with a projected keyboard is that you can't feel where your fingers are relative to the edges of the keys. This causes typos because the user is unable to rapidly adjust his fingers to stay centered on the keys for the rest of the phrase. Virtual gamepads on a touch screen have the same problem.

    2. Re:Cool idea but.. by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Right now I'm just looking at getting a cheap chromebook that converts to a table and running android apps on it.

      You'll be pleased to know, then, that we're also working on a chromebook that converts to a chair!

  18. This is not the solution you are looking for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole point of a phone is that it's compact and small. Carrying your phone and a big-ass laptop-sized thing? Well why just just carry a fucking laptop that is faster and more capable than your weak phone?!

    What we want is a phone that can fold-out or project a laptop-sized screen and keyboard. Something the size of a phone but with the ability to expand to a laptop-sized device. The technology isn't there yet but this is the target design that will make billions.

  19. Who owns it? by crvtec · · Score: 1

    Most companies have a policy where anything you develop on their time is their property. How does Mr. Zheng plan to work around this? Or is Google different?

    1. Re: Who owns it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He quit Google to Persue this.

  20. Copied design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unoriginal design. They simply ripped-off the look of the Macbook Air.

  21. Shelltop that's good enough and Right price point by jwillis84 · · Score: 2

    I think for most people this will be an incredibly good deal.

    The screen resolution is not great, but its good enough and will serve aging using and younger people ourside the Narrow 25-32 agre group quite well.

    The point is your phone is a tether taxed, flash drive and quick access touch device. Its not a laptop.

    The 'Shelltop' is a light weight cell phone "dongle" that is quick to setup, light weight, smaller than a Huge screen Retina Cinerama that weighs in like an MacBook Pro.. and it just more practical.

    Its like 3.5 mm head phones, you don't have to worry about what it does and does not work with.. just plug in the USB-C or the now included USB-A full sized USB port and you instantly have a [wired and reliable] full screen display and multi-touch track pad.

    You also don't have to worry about the App gap, which the MacOS, iOS, Windows and Linux continuum wannabe's try to say are not important. Their Walled gardens with payware and adware supported desktop apps.. simply the model is inverted and contained. If you want that adware supported stuff.. the app has in app purchases.. but its contained within the app.. app-walled.

    Scaling is also something people forget about. Teamviewer and other web session tools will "Scale" a desktop over whatever you have.. same with this.. you can make it larger, or smaller to best ustilize your available pixels.

    This is not for building a Gamers PC with a Wall of LCD monitors.. its for tanking those Hulktops that strain the straps on your undesized Backpack.

    I for one would like to skip Scoliosis of the Spine.

  22. Done, and Done, and yawn. by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Informative

    More to the point, I hope he has called ASUS and told them he is coping an idea they have put out several times over the years, each of which was a sales flop.
    Mind you, after they tried it is 2012, and 2014, perhaps being 2016 makes it 'new' somehow.

    2012, Asus padfone
    2014, Asus transformer book

    http://www.wired.com/2012/02/meet-the-asus-padfone-the-phone-thats-a-tablet-thats-a-notebook/
    https://www.engadget.com/2014/06/02/asus-transformer-book-v-hands-on-video/

    but yeah, go crowdfunding!

    1. Re:Done, and Done, and yawn. by puto · · Score: 2
      I hope you have called ASUS and let them know Motorola did it before they did.

      http://www.phonearena.com/revi...

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    2. Re:Done, and Done, and yawn. by FlaSheridn · · Score: 2
    3. Re: Done, and Done, and yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Palm Folio was my first thought as well. But the $500 price tag, combined with the limited utility killed Palm's toy. But nowadays this is more interesting now that high end smart phones have laptop specs and $99 is practically free.

  23. This is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet I can summarize everyone here: Why buy this and not an entire laptop?

    However, if virtualization was worked into the operating system as a first class citizen, and the phone's operating system able to expand into the resources of the laptop (e.g. more cpu, memory, gpu, etc), then it would probably be a better sell. I know I would gladly do this, if only just to share the filesystem and boot load an entirely different os when docked.

    One computing device - expandable resources through docking.

    1. Re:This is the future by tepples · · Score: 1

      The Windows license alone would eat much of the $99 MSRP.

  24. Pah... by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

    Give me a case for my phablet with a hardware slideout keyboard that lets me rest the screen at an appropriate angle and include a trackpoint and I'm all set.

    Basically, where are the 6 inch laptops with phone capabilities?

  25. The only thing locks are good for is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to keep the honest people out. They are useless against a determined thief.

  26. Been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Motorola LapDocks......

  27. ATRIX by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

    Several years ago (4 or 5, I think), I bought a Motorolla Atria and its laptop dock, because the idea seemed so appealing to me. After a couple weeks of the novelty, all the "laptop" part became was a luggable battery for recharging the phone when I didn't have access to an outlet.

    I don't expect much different now. Well, maybe because the Android app ecosystem is bigger with apps that can take advantage of the extra screen realestate, ChromeOS is a thing, etc, but really, I don't think many people are going to want to lug around a laptop shell just so they can turn their phone into essentially a chromebook, when for the same extra weight, they could bring with them a full laptop with the programs on it that they actually use.

  28. So... Chromebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, it's a screen that lets you use your phone as a Chromebook?

  29. Antialiased by tepples · · Score: 1

    2560x1440 phone on 1280x720 display produces full-scene antialiasing.

  30. How long.... by MercTech · · Score: 1

    How long before they big providers are able to detect if you have a larger display attached and insist you buy an extra package to be able to use the added on equipment?
        They already did that with the Motorola Atrix so as to render the laptop keyboard accessory unusable.

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  31. Clambook all over again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.intomobile.com/2013/04/25/whatever-happened-clambook/

    another failed attempt