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MIT Developed A Movie Screen That Brings Glasses-Free 3D To All Seats (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via TechCrunch: MIT has developed a glasses-less 3D display for movie theaters. The Nintendo 3DS is one of a handful of devices to feature glasses-less 3D, but it is designed for a single users where the user is looking at the display head-on at a relatively specific angle. It's not something made for a movie theater with hundreds of seats, each of which would have a different viewing angle. What's neat about MIT's 3D display is that it doesn't require glasses and it lets anyone see the 3D effect in a movie theater, no matter where they are sitting. The MIT Computers Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab (CSAIL) created the prototype display called 'Cinema 3D' that uses a complex arrangement of lenses and mirrors to create a set number of parallax barriers that can address every viewing angle in the theater based on seat locations. It works in a movie theater because the seats are in fixed locations, and people don't tend to move around, change seats or alter their viewing angle too much. What's also neat about the Cinema 3D is that is preserves resolution, whereas other glasses-less 3D displays carry cots in terms of image resolution. The prototype is about the size of a letter-sized notepad, and it needs 50 sets of mirrors and lenses. It should be ready for market once researchers scale it up to a commercially viable product.

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  1. Interesting sleep arrangement by Darth+Twon · · Score: 4, Funny

    whereas other glasses-less 3D displays carry cots in terms of image resolution.

    So that begs the question: what kind of bedding can we expect from this glasses-less 3D display?

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    1. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can someone enlighten me as to approximately when the expression "begs the question" started to mean "raises the question", instead of the informal fallacy of assuming that an unproven premise is true as part of a conclusion?

    2. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      displays carry cots won't someone please think of the children!

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    3. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I beg your pardon but I beg to differ.

    4. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Can someone enlighten me as to approximately when the expression "begs the question" started to mean "raises the question", instead of the informal fallacy of assuming that an unproven premise is true as part of a conclusion?

      You "raise" a question AFTER the situation "begs" it. If you raise it too soon, it won't be begged. If you wait till it is begged, then its obvious. That in why begged questions are inherently obvious.

    5. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Irregardless, I could care less.

    6. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by Wraithlyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just give it up. That cat will never go back in that particular bag. English changes over time with usage.

      Personally, I'm fine with it. Intuitively, "begs the question" means the same as "demands the question"... because "begs" and "demands" mean the same damn thing. Phrases making sense intuitively is a good thing, IMHO.

      Just use "assumes the conclusion" for the fallacy (which again, makes more intuitive sense anyway), and stop trying to perpetuate the original meaning which will never, ever take over as the common usage again.

      Just my two cents.

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    7. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      The moment teachers taught people to learn from context instead of a philosophy textbook. So pretty much as soon as someone not schooled in the jargon heard it.

      You are arguing for a commonplace understanding of jargon, which is specifically and locally defined. That will never happen. We misuse terms from all kinds of professions all the time, as people.

      So I guess you could ask us to stop being people. Or we can go back to classifying you as a girl. At one time that was gender neutral. Hardly the case now. Anyway, since the day it was uttered us the short answer.

    8. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      We use the phrasing we want to, irregardless.

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    9. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      because "begs" and "demands" mean the same damn thing.

      They do?

      You can beg your boss to give you a raise, but you can't demand it. (You can give an ultimatum and quit if you don't get it, but that's still not demanding a raise, in that your demand is succeeding.)

    10. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by dslauson · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Here is a relevant Wondermark cartoon to accompany your thoughts. I long for the day when I don't have to hear internet pedants correcting people about the meaning of "begging the question".

    11. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I wasn't arguing for anything. I was asking question.

    12. Re:Interesting sleep arrangement by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      They both mean "asking for something".

      Yes, of course they differ in the details. Thank you for pedantically stating the massively obvious.

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  2. Is 3D all that? by tgibson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have yet to see a movie where I thought the 3D enhancements made the movie superior over a conventional screen. Regarding Nintendo's 3DS, I noticed that my daughters disable the 3D feature because they find it distracting. Is anyone pining for a movie to come out in 3D?

    1. Re:Is 3D all that? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Not in Nintendo 3DS 3D, that's for sure...

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    2. Re:Is 3D all that? by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Even worse nowadays is that a lot of movies are available in both formats, but obviously there are shots which you can tell ONLY exist for the 3D version so that something "coming out of the screen" can impress 4 year olds which would never have made it in a regular movie because they're stupid.

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    3. Re: Is 3D all that? by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

      When things are far you can't tell the difference if there are holes or bumps in them. it's either a dot or a big surface if you're close enough. you have to be on he surface of the planet to see the terain
      if you really want to know why think about this:
      (tan(a)tan(b))/tan(a)+tan(b)

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    4. Re:Is 3D all that? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      You're stupid and wrong. That's all I can do here, because now its about faith. You asked for anyone, and yes I am. Prometheus with Charlize Theron in tight white 3D, Tron the unspeakable with Beau Garrett in tight white 3D...

      Avatar sucked, retroactive 3D sucks, animation is the Bees bollocks. 3D Jesus is one dimension better than your 2D Jesus.

      So yes, people disagree with you. Also, VR gives 3D a new platform. Yes its nit holographic, but 3D content helps bridge the gap between 2D and VR.

      Lemme guess, you hate that too? Wrong and stupid, and you will burn in hell for your sins against my dimension.

    5. Re:Is 3D all that? by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      I have yet to see a movie where I thought the 3D enhancements made the movie superior over a conventional screen.

      I agree with you that I prefer non-3D formats, but I'll be more specific. I don't like that in 3D movies peripheral and background images are typically out of focus. I want to view the whole scene, not just the camera's main subject(s). This may also harm movie-making in general because when directors know that 3D viewers may not clearly see a background image, then it can limit the creativity they apply to a scene. If you don't know what I mean, consider the Star Wars The Force Awakens, which I saw at the theater in 3D and regular formats [because I'm a nerd]. In the Maz's bar/cantina scene there were interesting looking aliens and activities going on all around the main characters. In the 3D version most of the background images were terribly out of focus for the sake of the main 3D image, not so with the regular non-3d version, which made it much better, in my opinion. If this new 3D screen technology in the article can fix that problem, then I'm all in, until then I prefer the standard flat screen.

      Gimmicky 3D effects suck too, like when objects fly at the camera for no reason, but I fault the movie director for that, not the technology.

  3. My have to change the name by slapout · · Score: 1

    Not to be confused with Cinema 4D, a 3D modeling program.

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  4. Waste of effort by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, but theaters are obsolete, and gimmicks like 3D are only going to slightly delay the inevitable. Why would I want to waste my time and money watching a movie at a theater when I can just watch it at home and get many benefits: no screaming kids, no people talking on their cellphones, a rewind button so I can go back if I didn't understand a line of dialog, a pause button so I can go to the bathroom, no sticky floors, the best-positioned seat instead of one way off to the side, whatever food I want instead of some crappy overpriced concessions, whatever kind of seat I want (such as a recliner), and the ability to watch the movie at whatever time I want?

    1. Re:Waste of effort by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      Some people go to the theater to get away from the screaming kids, family members talking on their cell phones, etc which they have to deal with at home.

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    2. Re:Waste of effort by chispito · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would I want to waste my time and money watching a movie at a theater when I can just watch it at home and get many benefits...

      I almost never get a chance to go to the theaters any more, but I still see the value in many cases. First, you're not at home. Sometimes it's nice to go out for the sake of going out. Second, most genres of film are better with an audience. Comedies are much better with an audience, though the audience can also spoil it if they aren't invested (much like stand-up). Third, the picture and sound are almost certainly better than what you have at home. I saw Interstellar at the Chinese Theater in Hollywood and I'm glad I did. Home theaters are great, but they aren't the same.

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    3. Re: Waste of effort by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      The last big thing was iMac. 3D would have been big in the '60's. Now it's just too late to excite people

      we saw from the failure of 3d to be a real selling point for TVs (3d or a larger screen for the same price - bigger wins)..

      if you want a better more immersive experience, spend the money on better audio.

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    4. Re:Waste of effort by Misagon · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Movie theatres should deal with getting rid of the bad experiences at the theatre and make sure that the picture and sound quality is top notch.
      That is what would bring people back - not gimmicks.

      There are theatres that will kick you out if you talk too much during the movie or use a cell phone.
      All theatres should be that way.

      Instead we have theatre chain executives who "give up" because "millenials are always on the phone", we get movies projected in 2K -- which is only a little bit more than the five year old "Full HD" TV that I got at home -- but with stutter.

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    5. Re:Waste of effort by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what the other guy said: they went to the wrong place!!!

      Actually, to be fair, I will note that there are some theaters where you can have a fairly nice experience (though still no pause or rewind capabilities). Usually these are called "dinner theaters"; you get a huge comfy chair, and can order a full meal (and alcohol if you want) and eat while you watch the movie. I also hear good things about Alamo Drafthouse. Most theaters aren't like this though, and they aren't available everywhere.

    6. Re: Waste of effort by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      We've had modern 3D since Avatar came out in 2009, and still no one's shown that it can be used to any really good effect. Avatar was really the only movie where it added anything at all. Sorry, but so far it's just looking like a gimmick.

    7. Re:Waste of effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      no screaming kids, no people talking on their cellphones

      What kind of shitty-ass theatre are you going to? The one I go plays a vignette at the start of the show asking people to turn off their phones. I've literally never seen a person talk on their phone in the theatre. That's the kind of behaviour that would get your ass kicked out... Is it an American thing?

      the best-positioned seat instead of one way off to the side

      Go to a theatre with reserved seating, or arrive there early.

    8. Re:Waste of effort by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I've literally never seen a person talk on their phone in the theatre. That's the kind of behaviour that would get your ass kicked out... Is it an American thing?

      Probably, yes. People do text on their phones a lot these days, probably a lot more than talking on them.

      Go to a theatre with reserved seating, or arrive there early.

      Reserved seating? You're kidding, right? I've never, ever, ever, ever seen a theater like that in my many decades of theater-going.

      Arriving early isn't going to help that much; now you get some well-positioned seats but you're crowded in by too many people, a bunch of whom are texting or talking to each other or loudly crunching on their popcorn.

      What country do you live in where people are all well-behaved? Maybe I should look for a job there.

    9. Re:Waste of effort by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      I've literally never seen a person talk on their phone in the theatre. That's the kind of behaviour that would get your ass kicked out... Is it an American thing?

      Probably, yes. People do text on their phones a lot these days, probably a lot more than talking on them.

      It's certainly not a thing over here. People do turn their phones off or silent and they don't play with them during movies.

      Reserved seating? You're kidding, right? I've never, ever, ever, ever seen a theater like that in my many decades of theater-going.

      Most theaters over here do reserved seating. As long as you buy the tickets a couple of hours or days ahead of time you can choose what seat(s) you wish to occupy.

    10. Re:Waste of effort by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      My town has one of these, built by and for the annual film festival but used year round for opera simulcasts and special film screenings.

    11. Re:Waste of effort by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I go to theaters on weekdays, daytime. They've very peaceful. A couple times I've actually been the only person in the theater.

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  5. Glasses-Free 3D by Feneric · · Score: 1

    Glasses-free 3D has potential in a number of applications and it's surprising to me how little penetration it has in the market at large. Just as adding color to a display is a means of providing more information, adding depth to a display adds information. Just as we don't typically grade a movie or an application on how effectively its color has been used, once the novelty of 3D has worn off and it's become just another tool in the box we'll start to see what sort of impact it really has. Now we seem to be limited to the 3DS, expensive Ultra-D displays, and soon glasses-free cinemas. What about the 3D phones and tablets? (Yes, I know about add-ons like EyeFly3D, but they're still pretty niche at the moment.)

  6. Of course people move around by chispito · · Score: 2
    I don't agree with this statement:

    people don't tend to move around, change seats or alter their viewing angle too much

    All it would take is moving to the left or right a couple inches and you're on your way to a headache.

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    1. Re:Of course people move around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They don't mention the head-clamps in the article, but that's how you solve the moving-head problem. The clamps also work to crush the heads of anyone texting in the theater.

    2. Re:Of course people move around by PRMan · · Score: 1

      The author has clearly never had a tall guy with a big head sit in front of them.

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    3. Re:Of course people move around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The author has clearly never had a tall guy with a big head sit in front of them.

      Or taken a date to a movie.

  7. Strange... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    I haven't really noticed any cots in the resolution of glasses-less 3D displays. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.... Or maybe I'm not watching movies in an army tent.

  8. should be ready when it's ready by fisted · · Score: 4, Funny

    It should be ready for market once researchers scale it up to a commercially viable product.

    Well no shit.

    1. Re:should be ready when it's ready by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It'll be ready when scaled up. Unlike flying cars, which have no current path to commercial viability. That's the point. It works, and would be commercially ready for small screens now, but that's not where the profit is.

    2. Re:should be ready when it's ready by flopsquad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It should be ready for market once researchers scale it up to a commercially viable product.

      See also: quantum computers, invisibility cloaking metamaterials, and fusion.

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    3. Re:should be ready when it's ready by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      It'll be ready when scaled up. Unlike flying cars, which have no current path to commercial viability. That's the point. It works, and would be commercially ready for small screens now, but that's not where the profit is.

      It already is. Ultra-D technology offers glasses free 3D on screens 50" and 65" screens. It's been featured at CES and it's fairly impressive.

      It's got a wide 3D viewing angle (120 degrees - 60 degrees off perpendicular each side), and from 120 through 178 degrees, it degrades into a 2D image, so no matter where you are, if you can see the screen, you can see an image. Unlike some other technologies (like the Nintendo 3DS), it never goes unviewable.

    4. Re:should be ready when it's ready by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Is that the same tech as the one in the article? So many people are solving the same issue in different ways, I have trouble keeping them straight.

  9. 2 Things... by OfficeLackey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As has already been said, I've yet to watch a movie with 3D and thought, 2D just wouldn't have cut it. This whole 3D thing is kind of a dead horse and I'm getting really tired of people kicking it. Secondly, you have to know that they will also build this into the next "gotta-have-it" television/monitor. Where does it end? It's high-def 1080p. No it's curved! Better yet, it's back lit. No, 4k! Oh 4K in 3D!! You know, any more I just want to watch a show/movie that the story doesn't suck. I want the story to draw me in so I am mentally engaged with it. NOT, "I'm watching the equivalent of paint drying". They might have used a really fancy paint sprayer, but it's still paint drying.... (Damn! I must be getting old)

    1. Re:2 Things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As has already been said, I've yet to watch a movie with 3D and thought, 2D just wouldn't have cut it.

      Same here. But the same goes for color and stereo sound.
      Any new movie would work in mono with gray-scale, I still prefer to watch it with colors and 5.1 sound.

    2. Re:2 Things... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      As has already been said, I've yet to watch a movie with 3D and thought, 2D just wouldn't have cut it. This whole 3D thing is kind of a dead horse and I'm getting really tired of people kicking it.

      I could get to work on a horse and cart too, that doesn't mean that everything new is automatically a dead horse when a few people can't see the point or remained unimpressed. We had the same arguments with colour, DVD, HD, etc. I'm unimpressed with 3D TVs but only due to the ghosting issues I have with mine. In the cinema I happily pick a 3D movie over a 2D one after a quick search to see if it was shot in 3D or if it was a crappy 3D perversion of 2D content.

      But you know the amazing thing here? This has literally no impact on you. Don't want 3D, don't do 3D. It's not like the 3D drive has anything at all to do with the story just like colour TV didn't suddenly magically give script writers dementia.

  10. Re:Weizmann, not MIT by darthsilun · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that CSAIL is Computer-blank-Science and AI Lab, not Computers Science.

  11. Why do they bother? by avandesande · · Score: 1

    People either hate(3d) or are indifferent to it... and it's not because of the glasses.

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  12. Its not wearing glasses that causes headaches by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's the forced stereoscopy.... when you project different images into each eye, unless you are sitting only at certain spots in the movie theater, the angle that your eyes will have to converge to fuse the two images into a single 3d image in your visual cortex is unnatural with respect the distance that the visual differences between the two objects conveys to your brain about the apparently distance of what you are seeing.

    Holograms would not have this effect, since where you are focusing on when you view a hologram is consistent with where the 3d image actually is supposed to be. The image appears as fully 3 dimensional as would looking at real physical objects on the other side of a pane of clear glass, or looking at things in a mirror.

    But I imagine we're still some years away from real holographic movies being a thing.

    1. Re:Its not wearing glasses that causes headaches by MountainLogic · · Score: 2

      Is is simple Lenticular projection. The "magic" (lower case) is reducing the number of angles because folks are stuck in seats. This was done much better by Alioscope for CRTs and LCds many years ago. That was really "Magic" stuff.

  13. Is there really a need for this? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    I think this will be a hard sell for movie theaters. Many spent a lot of money on the polarized 3D tech, and that's pretty much just a really expensive projection solution. Some viewers (like me) love 3D, and will pay a premium. But some do not, and cannot watch 3D because they get headaches. Mostly when you see a movie with these folks you just see the 2D one, but in some cases they will just go ahead and rig up special glasses (two left or two right lenses).

    With some solution like this, they will definitely be ill unless they wear like an eyepatch. That's absolutely silly.

    Are there a bunch of people for whom the 3D polarized glasses are specifically an issue? Those deliver a very compelling 3D experience to anyone.

    I think this tech would be way cooler on a monitor or television, I dunno.

    1. Re:Is there really a need for this? by suutar · · Score: 1

      I don't have much trouble wearing their glasses over mine, but I don't doubt that some folks do.

    2. Re:Is there really a need for this? by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are there a bunch of people for whom the 3D polarized glasses are specifically an issue?

      It's been my experience, that the movie is fuzzier with 3D glasses. Both my wife and I had experience where we'd see a movie with her family in 3D, then go see it later on our own in 2D and were blown away the second time by how nice the film looked. Now we have kids and certainly don't have the time to see a movie multiple times in the theater, but because of our previous experience we always opt for 2D.

    3. Re:Is there really a need for this? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      That's probably because there's no such thing as perfect 90 degree polarization. Each signal will interfere with the other a little bit, and you always get a bit of bleed from one eye into the other and vice versa near areas of high contrast.

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    4. Re:Is there really a need for this? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There is a lot more perfect polarisation than you get with a $0.25 filter, and certainly enough to eliminate ghosting issues.

    5. Re:Is there really a need for this? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah, but they're not going to give you that with the cost of a movie ticket. :-D

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    6. Re:Is there really a need for this? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      *Sigh* They don't anyway. And screw those idiots for attempting to charge me $1 even when I bring my own glasses.

      Actually this makes me wonder if there's a market for this. I'll take 2 quality camera polarisers into the cinema with me next time and see if it improves the effect any. I smell a kickstarter.

  14. But can you look anywhere on the screen? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a fundamental problem I have with 3D films. The focal point is always where the director decided it should be so if you try to look at something off to the side of the screen, the 3D illusion falls apart.

    1. Re:But can you look anywhere on the screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, and more importantly, does watching the movie in 3D actually add anything?

      I've never come away from a 3D movie and thought, "That was so cool in 3D", because after you've adjusted in the first 30 seconds or so, you were just watching a movie, except with cardboard glasses on.

    2. Re:But can you look anywhere on the screen? by swb · · Score: 1

      3D cinema only has 2 points of view. There are other 3D display technologies that offer 8 points of view, creating a wider sweet spot and allowing more compelling depth.

  15. 3D by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Talk about beating a dead horse. Seriously.

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  16. Like movies aren't expensive enough... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    A 2D movie is $12, 3D is $15.75 and $21 for IMAX-3D. And that's with a standard screens. Once you replace the screen with a complex arrangement of lenses and mirrors to create a set number of parallax barriers...

    Get ready for the $40 ticket.

  17. Gains resolution, loses brightness by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    First all the viewers must sit quite still and not move outside a narrow band in their seats. Even after that each seat gets a slice projected to it. Though the projected image fills your field of vision, it is a narrow slice and the brightness perceived will be less. Anyway the effect will be more like the 3D image on printed magazine covers like Nat Geo. With color bleeding fringing and 3D in some small central area and quite blurry in the periphery.

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  18. Re:Letter sized? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    We want to keep our spellings, but at the same time we have to go metric at some time. We have a choice between spending a lot to convert now, or spending an exorbitant amount to convert later.

  19. Re:Letter sized? by ananamouse · · Score: 1

    Not so simple. All real property is recorded in the individual county court houses in inch/feet/miles. Legal nightmare to convert the title to everything. Seriously. When you look closely and see surveys routinely saying, "more or less" then there will be a squabble that will put several multiples of the nations domestic output into scumbag lawyers pockets.

    Now if everything is digitized then maybe a bot can go through the database and straighten things out. Maybe...