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China Releases Test Footage of Ballistic Missile Defense System (mirror.co.uk)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Mirror.co.uk: China has released footage of its first interception test of a mid-air ballistic missile, destroying a target miles above Earth. Footage of the experiment, which took place in 2010, has never been made public until now. According to Chinese news agency CCTV, Xu Chunguang, an expert working at a military base in northwest China, said: "All of our research is meant to solve problems that may crop up in future actual combats." It reportedly took researchers another three years to develop the core technologies to improve the system. A second successful test was reportedly conducted in January 2013. China's decision to finally release the footage could be seen as a warning shot to the U.S., which was critical of China for not notifying the Pentagon of the tests at the time. In May, China announced it would send submarines armed with nuclear missiles into the Atlantic Ocean, arguing it had little choice if America continued to advance its weapons systems. China has recently denounced South Korea's decision to deploy a U.S. Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system to counter threats from North Korea, saying that it harmed the foundation of their mutual trust.

68 comments

  1. Looks fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really fake

    1. Re:Looks fake by UnresolvedExternal · · Score: 1

      How dare you suggest that something published on the Mirror could be fake??

      I have personally checked the footage and it looks 100% real... if you stand back a bit and squint...

    2. Re:Looks fake by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      if chinese government official told me there were no extra-terrestrials living among us, I'd buy a log cabin in northern canada and bulk-order dumdum bullets the very next day. that's how much i trust anything the chinese say.

    3. Re:Looks fake by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think being neighbors with North Korea is reason enough to consider an anti ballistic system.

  2. Meme by johnsnails · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't always click on the linked articles, but when I do they look fake AF.

    1. Re: Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha. The US bases with this "cutting-edge technology" were shut down in the 80s for being obsolete.

    2. Re:Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a moron. You fan the flames of hatred with your petty and mindless drivel which serves no purpose other than creating animosity in places were there should be none. However, China's cutting-edge technology can only advance as fast as they can steal it. This ICBM intercept was in 2010. The US was annoyed with the Chinese at the time for not announcing the test before it took place. The reason they should have notified the US in advance was to let them know it was a test and not a real live ICBM launch. China also displayed their cutting edge technology to shoot down a satellite that was descending rapidly and ended up sending shrapnel in orbit capable of damaging other orbital assets. Of course the US countered by shooting down a satellite in higher orbit using there Aegis equipped ship as the platform. But the US already has technology in orbit capable destroying satellites with out shooting any missiles which do not have the range to target military assets which occupy a much higher orbit and can be moved when necessary.

    3. Re:Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody has noticed this yet?

      In the first footage, the target is stationary (the stars in the background and the target itself are both relatively stationary).
      In the part of footage where a destroyer launched a missile, the destroyer is from German NAVY firing a European anti-air missile.
      In the part of footage where the kill vehicle is shown is from US NAVY (SM3). On the bottom you can see the marking "national", may be they copied the footage from the National Post or something?

      This is funny as hell! May be the CCTV should be banned in China since they hate "fake and non-credible" news so much.

    4. Re:Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a mix of actual footage and CGI that demonstrates more clearly what is happening. You might as well take educational footage from a course in mechanics and claim that it's false, these machines do not exist, because the footage is clearly CGI. Use your damn head.

    5. Re:Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the bastards nearly killed George Clooney.

    6. Re:Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because mass murder absolutely only happens in the US. Definitely not France or Germany... in the last FUCKING WEEK.

    7. Re:Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, basically, you are spewing B.S.!

          I was part of the team that shot down 193! Safety and mission success were top priorities. Trust me, be glad we are out there.

      "The destruction of USA 193 created 174 pieces of orbital debris that were cataloged by the U.S. military.[39] While most of this debris re-entered the Earth's atmosphere within a few months, a few pieces lasted quite a bit longer due to the fact that they were thrown into much higher orbits. The final piece of USA 193 debris did not re-enter until October 28, 2009"

      "and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean"

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Burnt_Frost

      Vs. Unsuccessful Chinese attempt

      "destruction of FY-1C created 2,841 high-velocity debris items, a larger amount of dangerous space junk than any other space mission in history."

      "at an altitude of 865 kilometres (537 mi)"

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fengyun

  3. Footage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does footage == animation now?

  4. LOL by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really enjoyed the comment about it harming our basis of mutual trust. The implication being that we 'trust' they are violating every agreement and treaty they've ever participated in and that they 'trust' we are spying on their every move ?

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    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North China and the US are a joke at this point. Deadly jokes, but jokes nonetheless.

    2. Re:LOL by Archfeld · · Score: 1, Troll

      So speaks the flailing EU, the sinking GB, the nanny states of Australia, or the irrelevant nation of Canada ? or maybe you hail from the greater significance that is Central or South America ? Maybe you are posting from the land of wine and honey that is greater Africa ? There is no country or region at this point, or really at any point in history that is not suffering from some sort of failure or another, be it racial inequality, economic instability, privacy issues, global climate change, etc.
      But of course the US and 'north' China are the joke...

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    3. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if China could guarantee the North Korea doesn't do anything hostile and could magically shoot down those grenades from landing into Soul.. People who take their fate into their own hands apparently can't be trusted. That's it! People who can be trusted lay their faith to the hands of the One True Party instead. Everything is apparently about the Chinese internal politics.

    4. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right, you know. So speaks a US citizen of at least 8 generations.

    5. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      faggot

    6. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry China if you can't keep your drunk friend under control we are going to have to take care of him ourselves.

  5. So what by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    They want to protect themselves from an ICBM, fine. I'd be more worried about one coming in rogue from a muslim extremist terrorist than from the USA, especially in light of the military cutbacks, downsizing etc. Even if the USA/China would get into a shootin' match...the drones, stealth, cruise missiles might get through. And at that, would it really matter, after all "wouldn't you rather play a game of chess?"

    1. Re: So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is that anti-ballistic missile systems are a fucking joke when it comes to a "superpower" because that superpower can overwhelm the ABM system with sheer numbers, decoy RVs, radar-confusing countermeasures, etc.

      This is why MIRV was born - if each missile carries 10 warheads (the now retired Peacekeeper LGM-118) of which several could be inert lumps of metal or other countermeasures and you have 50 of them inbound, good luck.

      ABMs work great against shitty short to medium range missiles like the SCUD, but aren't really practicable for something re-entering from exo-atmospheric flight going an order of magnitude faster, and designed specifically to defeat ABM systems through countermeasures.

  6. Harm the foundation of their mutual trust by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

    Funny, I thought the trust was that they trusted that the other side would invade them.

  7. This Looks Shopped by sexconker · · Score: 1, Informative

    I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

  8. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel like I just watched a clip of something from the ScFy channel.

  9. Whoopie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'In May, China announced it would send submarines armed with nuclear missiles into the Atlantic Ocean,...'

    Yeah, and the Canadians will find them; and, unlike with the US, will not mind embarrassing them when they do.

    1. Re: Whoopie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With what, pray tell, shall we Canadians find these sneaky Chinese submarines, eh? Massive schools of patriotic salmon?

    2. Re: Whoopie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ill-Tempered Sea Bass.

    3. Re: Whoopie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada does have a military.

      I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't have any attack subs given that those are relatively cheap and exactly the sort of craft a you use if you want a Navy that will be relevant if some asshat declares war on you but don't want to get into a money-pissing-match with the U.S.

    4. Re: Whoopie by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Who the hell would declare war on Canada?

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  10. Big news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chinas propaganda CG videos meant for internal consumption have also been released for the rest of the world.

    I don't doubt that the Chinese have developed some anti ballistic missile capability, but this video is not of it.

  11. China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Venezuela has been allowing China to park their first Jin nuke carrying subs there for 6 long years since the first 1 went operational.
    It has been prowling the gulf all this time. At this moment, the sub goes around the horn, but the reason for China building a new canal through central america has nothing to do with cargo and everything to do with allowing nuke subs to transfer quietly and unseen by the west, via the new DEEP canal.
    This is part of the reason why America remains in the south Chinese sea.

  12. They can't be serious by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    That has to be a joke. Something from the 50s, right? Did they blow the dust off some propaganda films and reuse the celluloid?

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  13. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by khallow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and unseen by the west, via the new DEEP canal.

    It's not deep enough for that. Sorry, one doesn't sneak a sub through a canal with satellite and human int coverage.

  14. ABM systems equal escalation? by harperska · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I never understood that logic. We can have enough missiles pointed at you to turn all of your major cities into slag, but the moment you put up a system that would protect yourself from those missiles, hoo boy!

    1. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Exactly, MAD doesn't work if only 1 side is destroyed...

      America promised not to do it and signed treaties and such. But they have now changed their minds. Seems pretty obviously untrustworthy to anyone who isn't a shill or has an ounce of common sense.

    2. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Boronx · · Score: 1

      That's the logic. It's all about stability. If I'm Russia, and I think the US is about to develop a real working ABM system, then the clock is ticking on the use of my missiles. Maybe I should gamble on a first strike to wipe out US missiles. If I don't, then later the US can launch a first strike without fear of retaliation.

    3. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well; it makes perfect sense not to have a ballistic missile shield against Russia or China, since they can launch more missiles than any anti missile shield could possible knock down.

      That is before you even consider the fact that economically you are waaaay waaaay worse off nuking Russia or China even if they couldn't retaliate.

      Then you look at countries like North Korea, who don't rely on you for trade (you being USA) who constantly complain about USA and South Korean interference. (For good reason, I'm not defending the USA here per-se).

      North Korea won't be able to launch enough missiles to overwhelm an anti missile shield (well ... arguably they could, but they are less likely than - say - china). And North Korea constantly saying: "We will nuke the west" certainly isn't helping anything.

      I'm sorry, but South Korea installing an anti missile shield has exactly nothing to do with China, and entirely everything to do with North Korea, and they are totally justified.

    4. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      America promised not to do it and signed treaties and such.

      Yes. And the U.S.S.R. should be pisse...

      Oh, wait - are they still around?

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    5. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood that logic. We can have enough missiles pointed at you to turn all of your major cities into slag, but the moment you put up a system that would protect yourself from those missiles, hoo boy!

      I'll have a go at answering this one. The logic is thus, according to the Mutually Assured Destruction or MAD theory of nuclear deterrence, which is itself a form of Nash Equilibrium after the late John Forbes Nash Jr whom you may remember from the book or film A Beautiful Mind . To the extent that any side in a nuclear armed standoff can successfully defend against ballistic missile attacks with an ABM system, it removes or lessens the consequences to that side of a nuclear armed conflict, making the deterrent value of enemy nuclear ballistic missiles less credible and destabilizing the equilibrium by suggesting that destruction would not, in fact, be mutually assured. The side armed with ABM technology might thus be tempted to make a first strike, trusting their ABM system to defend against counter attacks. That's the theory anyway. Whether that's actually a perfect description of what happens in the real world is debatable.

    6. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US installing a "missile shield" in Romania has nothing to do with North Korea, though.
      I read about a theory that current anti-missile defenses the US fields there suck ass and everyone knows it. But Russia - which itself has better missiles than the US be it interception or anti-ship hypersonic missiles - is concerned that the US will upgrade missiles over there, i.e. might field actually working missiles in a decade or two.

      That might be Russian posturing, but if you double the reliability and triple the amount of missiles you're making the missile base more of a problem.
      Russia just threatens deploying nuclear missiles in Kaliningrad (old threat) and maybe in Crimea (recent threat).

    7. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No China, this anti-missile shield won't shoot down Chinese missiles, we programmed it not to. No China we will not use the data we gain against you in the future. No it's not a first step along the way to bigger and better things. No we won't learn anything or improve anything, you have no need to make more nukes to use against us. This will never be used in the South China Sea.

      We pinky swear.

    8. Re: ABM systems equal escalation? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Russia is the successor state when it comes to treaties, so they still are in force.

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    9. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      The protection system shifts the threat considerably, because it means the country with it no longer suffers the same threat as the country without it - the concept of mutually assured destruction counts on the destruction of both parties being mutually assured (funny that...), and a protection system means it is no longer mutually assured, one party has a much better chance of coming out with significantly less destruction than the other.

      Think of it this way - you and your worst enemy both have guns pointing at each other from a distance of 50 paces. You both know there is enough time to fire back if the other one fires, and you also both know neither of you can move in time to not get hit. If both of you are sane, rational people, do either of you fire? No.

      Now consider how that dynamic would change if your enemy put on a full body bullet proof suit of armour. All of a sudden it doesn't matter as much to him whether you fire or not, he is much more likely to survive than before - and he is also much more likely to survive than you are as you dont have his suit of armour.

      Gets a little too uncomfortable, doesn't it?

    10. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The newest russian missiles are not significantly more difficult to shoot down than the ones from the 80s. The reason for Russia's sudden and aggressive movement into the Crimea was because of the threat that we might totally nullify their nuclear threat beyond subs, which makes our leadership think it could almost afford a nuclear exchange, so they are being militarily expansionist while MAD still exists.

    11. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      America promised not to do it and signed treaties and such. But they have now changed their minds. Seems pretty obviously untrustworthy to anyone who isn't a shill or has an ounce of common sense.

      The ABM treaty had withdrawal provisions, and the US exercised them. It's not untrustworthy, and saying so probably indicates the person doing so is either "a shill, or [doesn't have] an ounce of common sense." They could also simply be uninformed and wearing their ignorance as a badge of honor, YMMV.

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    12. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

      Somebody mod up. "Use it or lose it" is a very dangerous situation for all concerned, and why first-strike systems of any kind are so destabilizing.

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    13. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now imagine that both of you have fully automatic weapons with 3000 rounds loaded.

      That bullet-proof suit may protect against a few random rounds, but even if none of the 3000 penetrate (unlikely, as the suit will be damaged) it'll feel like being hit with a hammer 3000 times. Again, neither of you fire -- and if some pipsqueak with a six-shooter tries it, he's the one going to get swatted.

    14. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      We can have enough missiles pointed at you to turn all of your major cities into slag, but we won't do it because you have enough missiles pointed at us to turn all of our major cities into slag. The MAD balance depends on both sides being unable to defend themselves, only retaliate. If one side can nuke the other side's cities and shoot down the retaliation, there is no balance. One side wins, the other loses. How is that hard to understand?

      Of course there's such a thing as not wanting war, like why would Americans want to kill Russians or Russians want to kill Americans today? But MAD isn't about that, it's about a power balance where war would doom both sides. While an arms race stalemate might temporarily keep us from destroying each other, I hope that lasting peace will come from a more positive source of inspiration. Because I never really expected MAD to last forever.

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    15. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      > The US installing a "missile shield" in Romania has
      > nothing to do with North Korea, though.

      No, but they're pretty close to the trajectory that Iran would use if their nuclear program were to succeed:
      http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=o...

      And they're completely useless against Russia:
      http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=u...

      So, it's pretty clear to anyone who knows about things like the Earth being a spheroid exactly who the missiles in Romania are meant to defend against. And since the Russian's can by no means be said not to understand ballistics, rocketry, or great circle paths; it's equally clear that their objections to the ABMs in Romania are simple posturing for 100% political reasons that have nothing to do in any way with MAD or their own national security.

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    16. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Maybe those missile defenses are supposed to protect Central America from Russian launches, and Putin's upset about that.

      I kid, of course. Thanks for those Great Circles.

    17. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by harperska · · Score: 1

      The destabilization argument presumes that only one side builds ABM. If both sides are allowed to build ABM, the balance is preserved, and additionally, missiles themselves become obsolete as they can be effectively defended against. Additionally, if everybody is allowed to have ABM systems, the idea of obtaining ICBMs becomes less attractive to rogue nations who won't benefit from the power trip of having a superweapon that bigger nations have to take seriously.

    18. Re:ABM systems equal escalation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia is not worried about the breakdown of MAD. Placing those missiles in Romania means closer political and miliarty ties between them and the US. Possibly it means closer ties between them and NATO and the west in general. This is an encroaching by what Russia perceive, rightly or wrongly, as their traditional enemies into what they perceive, rightly or wrongly, as their own natural sphere of influence. Now look at that map you posted and see how Ukraine would be even better a place to put those missiles and grow those political and military ties.

      Would you be comfortable with Russian missiles and influence in Mexico, even if it were there intended to defend them from a threat from Brazil? Remember, the west has repeatedly tried to invade and conquer Russia, never the other way around. And after the last time, the west could hardly wait to bring its two biggest aggressors France and Germany, into the fold of NATO and the UN.

  15. precedent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If russia can take "areas", then so can china. Sure china always comes off as more passive, but they also got shit to prove now and a history of being invaded that they have no interest in ever having repeated.

    They think they worked hard to get all the wealth of the west, so damn right they better be treated the same! If ole drunky russia can saunter over and just take shit, well then the focused and organized chinese can too. I've also heard their economy isnt doing so well, which frequently can increase military tensions.

    fallout here we come!

  16. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by Boronx · · Score: 1

    I doubt you can sneak one around the horn either.

  17. That may look fake, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they were already able to do that to orbiting satellites 3-4 years earlier...

    https://celestrak.com/events/asat.asp

  18. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Considering that we are talking about a west to east passage (the other way makes not much sense, at least not in "sneaking"): yes you can.
    a) the ocean currents are strong from west to east, like 6 knots IIRC, so you let the boat travel without power by the currents ... it can only be detected by luck.
    b) the gap between cape horn and antarctica is about 10 degrees big, that is 1852*60*10 meters = 1111200m aka 1111.200km about 690 land miles, or obviously 600 nautical miles.

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  19. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by jittles · · Score: 1

    Considering that we are talking about a west to east passage (the other way makes not much sense, at least not in "sneaking"): yes you can. a) the ocean currents are strong from west to east, like 6 knots IIRC, so you let the boat travel without power by the currents ... it can only be detected by luck. b) the gap between cape horn and antarctica is about 10 degrees big, that is 1852*60*10 meters = 1111200m aka 1111.200km about 690 land miles, or obviously 600 nautical miles.

    It would be difficult to pilot the boat when depending on the current for propulsion. Not to mention the fact that the submarine requires power generation (or snorkeling if it is a battery/diesel) and life support systems. Those all make noise to some degree due to pumps and whatnot. It may still be possible to hear the submarine, it depends on how skilled they are at noise dampening.

  20. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by khallow · · Score: 1

    The Chinese are building expertise at noise dampening. It's an easier problem to dampen the noise of a battery/diesel sub than it is a nuclear sub.

  21. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    SRSLY? A diesel/electric sub is only quiet under electric drive. The range is bupkis compared with nukes. The diesel drive only can function within snorkel depths -- so much for nondetectability.

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  22. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by khallow · · Score: 1

    Yes, seriously.

  23. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    We are talking about a nuclear sub obviously.
    And in 50 meter depth, in an over 1000km wide 'channel' you don't need steering.
    Modern subs under electric drive use fuel cells, and not batteries, hence they mostly have either no combustion engine aka diesel or a gas turbine. So they use the same natural gas either for the gas turbine when not diving or under snorkel or for the electric engine when diving.

    And obviously, when they want to avoid detection, they are not running under diesel power in snorkel depth.

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  24. Corrupt VS. Corrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it always the government vs the government when the actual people don't give a fuck about invading another country?

  25. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How deep it is, actually? The good, old under-the-boat trick might work for fooling lazy magnetometer reader or one without "big data" processing capability.

  26. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by khallow · · Score: 1

    might work for fooling lazy magnetometer reader or one without "big data" processing capability

    It'd fool me. But then I'm neither a major world power or trying.

  27. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by Daniel+Klugh · · Score: 1

    It may still be possible to hear the submarine, it depends on how skilled they are at noise dampening.

    Well dampening should be easy seeing as they are under water.

    P.S. Unless you meant "damping", of course.

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  28. Re:China has had nuke carry subs in atlantic for 6 by jittles · · Score: 1

    It may still be possible to hear the submarine, it depends on how skilled they are at noise dampening.

    Well dampening should be easy seeing as they are under water.

    P.S. Unless you meant "damping", of course.

    See definition 2 and let me know what you think I meant.