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Tor Project Confirms Sexual Misconduct By Developer Jacob Appelbaum (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: The Tor Project, a nonprofit known for its online anonymity software, says it has verified claims that former employee Jacob Appelbaum engaged in "sexually aggressive behavior" with people inside and outside of its organization. "We have confirmed that the events did take place as reported," Shari Steele, Tor's executive director, tells The Verge. In a blog post today, Steele says that Tor began an investigation into Appelbaum's behavior after several people came forward with allegations of misconduct in late May. In a statement made in June, he said the allegations were "entirely false." He resigned from the Tor Project in May. "I want to thank all the people who broke the silence around Jacob's behavior," Steele writes. "It is because of you that this issue has now been addressed. I am grateful you spoke up, and I acknowledge and appreciate your courage." Steele says that Tor is now implementing a new anti-harassment policy, as well as a process for submitting complaints and having them reviewed. The changes will be put in place this week. Tor also announced last month that it would replace its entire board of directors.

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  1. Rule of thumb: believe the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    This kind of accusation is usually BS to frame politically dangerous people. Case in point, Julian Assange.

    1. Re:Rule of thumb: believe the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a case of hipster he said she said. SJW 'logic' likely applies.

      http://jacobappelbaum.net/ This site reeks of typical SJW style faux fear of intimidation.

    2. Re:Rule of thumb: believe the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a case of hipster he said she said. SJW 'logic' likely applies.

      http://jacobappelbaum.net/ This site reeks of typical SJW style faux fear of intimidation.

      You used the "hipster" word, therefore you concede that you are completely full of shit.

    3. Re:Rule of thumb: believe the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of the accusations sound legit, some not so much. Lovecruft's claims she was fondeled after agreeing to sleep in the same bed as JA. What adult in their right mind sleeps in the same bed with another grown person of the opposite sex, then gets suprised to be frisked? Maybe I just wasn't raised the same way. I wouldn't even share a hotel room with another adult besides a explicit SO.

      There were other claims which are still contested, such as the Nick Farr incident. The "victim" came out and said people blew things out of proportion and people misinterpreted what they saw.

      More drama than Shakespeare.

    4. Re:Rule of thumb: believe the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Bonus points for using "SJW". Anyone who says SJW is full of shit.

    5. Re: Rule of thumb: believe the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. You ask; you don't assume there's some unspoken green light just because someone laid down next to you. If you don't get someone's consent and go ahead and grope them anyway, it's absolutely sexual assault.

      You don't get a pass on nonconsensual behaviour just because you thought someone near you was sexually attractive. If you honestly think that you should, then you're a big part of the problem. And if you think it's such a fucking hardship to get consent, then I shudder to think of how you've treated any woman you've ever wanted to date.

    6. Re:Rule of thumb: believe the man by dbIII · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's all moot because false sexual misconduct claims are about as rare as bigfoot. The prospect of a claimant having to face a hostile courtroom where she's assumed to be a hooker pulling a scam before she even turns up tends to put people off.

    7. Re: Rule of thumb: believe the man by bistromath007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fuck off with this. There is a point beyond which nonconsent needs to be explicit; sharing a bed is exactly that point. "Sleeping with" somebody is used almost solely as euphemism for screwing in our language for a reason. Allowing that kind of intimacy is already saying "let's do this." If that isn't what you mean, you have to actually say so.

    8. Re: Rule of thumb: believe the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "No. You ask; you don't assume there's some unspoken green light just because someone laid down next to you. If you don't get someone's consent and go ahead and grope them anyway, it's absolutely sexual assault."

      I shudder to think of the poor service you've been giving your women. You absolutely never ever "ask".

      You touch her hand. You stroke her forearm. You touch her face. You touch your face to hers. You run your hand from her shoulder down do the small of her back while breathing hotly on her neck.

      You run your hand over her hip and down the outside of her thigh, then, at the knee, you come up the middle of her hamstring and over her outer buttock to the small of her back. The next down stroke goes right down the middle and your grab her buttocks *hard* and she gasps.

      Note that you are constantly measuring her physical reaction and will abort at the slightest hint of apprehension on her part, and you still haven't kissed...

      Once you do kiss, it will be amazing, and you will absolutely have consent.

      But Jesus Fucking Christ. You never *ask* (verbally).

      Well, OK, sometimes you can say, "So, you wanna?", and that works too.

    9. Re: Rule of thumb: believe the man by murdocj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you start dating you'll understand that you don't get a signed consent form when you have sex. It doesn't generally work that way.

    10. Re: Rule of thumb: believe the man by damienl451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The story about the woman who wake up to him fingering her clearly states that she had explained to him on many occasions that he could share her bed as a friend, but that it did not constitute an invitation to have sex. If you go to bed with someone and nothing happens when they're awake and able to consent, why would assume that they're totally down for sex now that they're asleep? Also : even if you're involved with someone, even if you're sleeping in the same bed, this does not mean they're available for sex 24/7. There's such a thing as marital rape.

    11. Re:Rule of thumb: believe the man by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What adult in their right mind sleeps in the same bed with another grown person of the opposite sex, then gets suprised to be frisked? Maybe I just wasn't raised the same way.

      I should guess you weren't, since the former hardly raised (or raises) an eybrow in certain times and places. Never thought I'd actually ever say that, but perhaps you may be proving the point of people calling for males to be taught to behave in a certain, better way, if you're making such mental leaps as assuming permission to do things that you weren't actually permitted to do, on the basis of your spurious perception?

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    12. Re: Rule of thumb: believe the man by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Apparently, according to the other comment above, an acknowledgement-of-non-consent form should have been signed by him instead, so it indeed doesn't work "that way" in this case.

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    13. Re:Rule of thumb: believe the man by cryptizard · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Except that is compete bullshit that you just made up. Citation needed.

  2. Hatchet jobs aside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tor is backdoored. You can see that from the ease with which the Feds locate sites and users. Thus its one and only use: bringing free, anonymous, speech to people in repressive regimes, its ended.

    When a company first sacks someone facing no charges, then hires a PI to confirm their reason for sacking, even though he's not claiming wrongful dismissal. That pretty much tells you that the organization is stuff full of bad actors. They go beyond any allegations and into a hatchet job.

    And those bad actors delivered exactly what is expected. Good people gone, bad people in, product *demonstrably* no longer works for its primary purpose. When outside universities can point out 100 fake attack nodes, that Tor Project somehow didn't notice, that tells you they are more bad than good in there.

    So a new thing has to be made, and that new thing has to be made from trustable people. And that is Jacob.

    These "we slept together and he licked my muff and that's rape because I didn't agree before hand he could lick my muff, only share the bed"... these are Assange style attacks, they were disclosed in the Snowden leaks, and they just make him more, demonstrably honest:

    https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    "By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. "

    Anonymous, secure, free speech trumps any of this shit, and a secure network delivered by a trusted person is necessary now. That's not Tor.

    1. Re:Hatchet jobs aside by nonsequitor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I personally know some of the people that came forward, they had no agenda other than stopping a serial sexual predator / harrasser. I was sad when I heard the story break, but not surprised because Jake's an asshole if you're not somebody. Where somebody is defined as a person whose work he can steal, someone to intoxicate and lure into bed, or someone that can enhance his reputation.

      Shame on you for suggesting otherwise, and shame on the mods who modded you up.

      Whether or not Tor is backdoored or otherwise compromised is a totally different issue. As for something new made by trustable people, Jacob doesn't have the technical ability to do a project like this on his own, he's a charming sociopath that worms his way into the circles of people that can. Good for Tor to give him the boot and cleaning house of the people who turned a blind eye to his misconduct.

    2. Re:Hatchet jobs aside by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tor is backdoored.

      No. You don't understand what Tor is or what the vulnerabilities used by attackers are.

      Tor is secure. Where people have been located, it was due to bugs on the bundled browser and not following best security practices like disabling Javascript and not using a maximized browser window (to thwart canvas based fingerprinting). But the underlying network itself is secure.

      Don't mistake compromised Tor exit notes as flaws in the network. Tor was designed on the assumption that exit nodes would be compromised and are inherently untrustworthy. Even if you use Tor, you still need to encrypt the traffic leaving the exit node because, as the documentation makes extremely clear, the exit node can see everything that passes in and out of it.

      Once you understand what Tor is and the limits of what it does, you can see that it is highly effective and has proven secure.

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    3. Re: Hatchet jobs aside by damienl451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one with an idea of what a healthy consensual relationship looks like would describe the "bath" story as you did. When someone repeatedly says "no", you're not supposed to keep insisting as if "no" was just an invitation to keep asking. That's textbook rapist "she said no but her body was saying yes", "she was just playing hard to get". It's also not "romantic" to grab someone and start washing them when they've clearly said that they didn't want to take a bath with you. It's fascinating how the same BS keeps popping up all the time. "She was wearing a miniskirt, so she clearly wanted me to fondle her". "Why would she show cleavage if she didn't want me to grope her boobs". Rapists all over the world have been using this excuse that their victim was somehow messaging her availability, e.g. by not respecting whatever standard of decency they decided was appropriate. If someone offers to share a bed and specifically warns you that they're not interested in having sex with you, you just can't claim ignorance and say that you thought it was an invitation to have sex. And even if they don't, why not just ask?

  3. Rule of thumb: not so much. by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This kind of accusation is usually BS to frame politically dangerous people.

    Um. No. Seriously and respectfully ask some of your female friends what kind of misconduct they've experienced in the workplace. You may be amazed.

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  4. Let's be certain first,.. by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ever since gamergate my concepts of fair reporting, harassment, he said she said have been seriously adjusted. There was totally horrible people, saying horrible things, but it seems only one side of the story is ever reported, making people more and more jaded and cynical of the media.

    Stories such as Linus specifically having to avoid spending any time with females one on one as he's been "targeted for take down". Situations of outright false claims against people, proven clear and still people write incorrect articles about them, deliberately.

    This story may well be correct, however in the very very least, I will no longer blindly leap into "condemn them, silence them!!" mode as is intended. I am particularly skeptical when a "harassment policy" is put in place too, as those have been going a general indicator of people "meddling in the name of righteousness " regardless if there was even a problem in the first place.

    Be wise and if you read the article at least try to find multiple sources and preferably the other side of the story. At least GG taught me take stuff on the Internet with again of salt finally.

    P.s off topic , I used to see posts whining about how awful Slashdot mobile is, I thought the people were exaggerating. They aren't, it's a warcrime.

    1. Re:Let's be certain first,.. by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a two-way street. Sure, "targets" like Linus have to be careful, but it's becoming even more difficult for actual victims of male semi-celebrities because they are called liars and sluts on top of having gone thru an unpleasant experience.

      Have you seen how people treated the women who made those complaints against Assange?

      For some reason when it's tech-related celebrities there's a cloud of immunity and endless waves of defenders that have no more information, just strong opinions. We laugh at people who still defend Bill Cosby, but when it comes to Assange, Applebaum or even Gore it's a different story. It's smear campaigns, NSA operations, corporate greed, etc. It's never a fucking immature asshole who crosses the line.

      It's as if in tech there's saints and serial killers, nothing in between. Girl goes to a bar with a guy and guy puts his hands down her pants? He's just "hitting on her", she shouldn't have gone there if she didn't want it. Girl parties with guy, goes home with him, has safe sex with him, then wakes up from a booze blackout to find him fucking her without a condom? She asked for it, she shouldn't have been in his bed if she didn't want to give him a blank check to fuck her bareback while she's passed out. And/or she's a NSA shill.

      I've always being very skeptical of the whole "rape culture" thing, the switch rape and all that. Always figured it was people aspiring to some kind of heroic role in a society that has no real issues left. But the more I see the posts here about Applebaum and Assange, the more I'm questioning my own assumptions about how civilized we are.

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    2. Re:Let's be certain first,.. by lucm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for supporting my point. You start by claiming that those women didn't "suffer" or got extradited (which would have never been an issue for Assange if he had faced the charges in Sweden instead of running away) then you ramble on about honeytraps and Afghanistan. It always come back to the smear campaign scenario.

      Here's a citation.

      The woman, whose name has not been disclosed, said that when the allegations became public she received threats and found it impossible to work.

      She said that she was judged in a "gigantic court of public opinion with anonymous judges and witnesses who guessed wildly".

      http://news.sky.com/story/juli...

      There's also a good article on Slate about this. And many others. All shills and honeypots of course.

      You're one of those anonymous judges and witnesses, thank you for your contribution to making the world a better place.

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      lucm, indeed.
  5. Cui Bono and To What End? by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is always a reason, though not always obvious. Tor is now shit, because the good people were chased away. Notice that there are no criminal charges anywhere, just allegations and accusations repeated over and over on any media outlet that would print it. Lead developer gone, whole new board being elected, one should be rather suspicious.

    Now for the tin foil hat: A whole lot of money and effort goes into taking over a project like Tor, and as we saw with the Snowden NSA leaks it is a global exploitation at least after the fact. China, the US, the UK, and just about everyone else suddenly has no problem finding people on Tor networks. All of those same groups can claim ignorance when the cat jumps out of the bag.

    Sometimes it's not easy to see who benefits and a clear goal. That is when you need to look around to see why you are being distracted.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Cui Bono and To What End? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tor is now shit, because the good people were chased away.

      Complete bollocks. Name some of these "good people" who have left. The project founders and all the major technical contributors are still there, as well as many new ones.

      China, the US, the UK, and just about everyone else suddenly has no problem finding people on Tor networks.

      Also complete bollocks. The only known instances of this happening were via browser vulnerabilities, not problems with Tor itself. And those vulnerabilities could easily have been mitigated if people has set their browsers up properly, disabling Javascript as recommended.

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  6. Really lousy article by tgv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is one lousy article. The name of the guy is the only thing revealed, and that is a journalistic no-no IMO: you don't give the full name unless charges have been proven. By a judge. About the nature of his "misconduct", the article is very vague: it's couched in different terms, but it's never made clear what happened, when, where, in what context and who were the victims. It also focuses on the sexual transgressions, and only gives a fleeting reference to people being "humiliated, intimidated, bullied", without explaining why. I understand there is some sort of political battle that largely includes both sides in parallel, and that is not even hinted at. In short, it's bad journalism.

  7. "Sexual mistreatment"? by piojo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is "sexual mistreatment"? I can't find any info in the article, or the link within that was purported to contain more information.

    Given that this kind of accusation can permanently prevent someone from finding work in their field, I find these articles--lacking details, with no formal legal proceedings--troubling.

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  8. GUILTY in the Kangaroo court of SJW Law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I had absolutely no idea that Shari Steele and the Tor Project Administration was a court of law!

    Oh wait, they're not? Fascinating!

    But boy howdy, you gotta admire their moxie. After all they did their own little investigation and found him guilty all by themselves. No pesky evidence or defense lawyers needed -- just enough harpies claiming victimization (but not enough to actually go to the police) and you too can destroy someone's life forever. ... ESPECIALLY interesting since one of the "victims" later pointed out that she wasn't a victim, it was a bunch of SJWs speaking on her behalf without permission to create a lynch mob towards Jacob...

    (Although I have it on good authority she's suffering from internalized misogyny and thus you should believe the 3rd party witnesses over her statements, because Third Wave Feminists represent all women, even women who don't want to be represented by them. ESPECIALLY those kinds of women.)

    Remember there was an active attempt to frame Linus Torvalds with sexual assault allegations. Around the same time you saw these types trying to push codes of conduct that were backdoors to get editorial control over projects they were targeting.

    So everyone needs to be a tiny bit wary when hearing stories like this, especially when you see these SJW style shame lynch mob tactics used. No evidence, mobbing tactics, public shaming, threatening people who question the narrative, and demanding reparations for perceived slights in the form of policy changes and increased decision making power to their political allies. It's a playbook that targets some known exploits in our culture -- namely that everyone's hesitant to demand evidence of an overly emotional woman, and everyone's first response is to beat up whomever she's pointing at and ask questions later.

    If there are actual allegations, they need to be taken to a court of law. If they won't hold up in a court of law, recognize it for what it is -- bitchy ex girlfriends wanting to slander an ex boyfriend they're mad at. Don't let the Kangaroo Court bullshit that's infested our campuses start leaking out into the real world.

    And if you want to implement an "anti-harassment" policy for your project: Don't. It's a stupid fucking idea leading to drama and abuse by lesser minds.

    If you are really looking for a nice Code of Conduct, aim for the Code of Merit - because as ESR has so adamantly pointed out, "We must constantly demand merit – performance, intelligence, dedication, and technical excellence – of ourselves and each other."

    SJW Codes of Conduct like the Orwellian Contributor Covenant by Coraline Ada Ehmke (who is tied to Model View Culture, which is ran by white supremacist "feminist" Shanley Kane, which is also tied to the Ada Initiative's two founders, which was the group attempting to frame Linus for rape...) are nothing more than a way to backdoor losers like Ehmke and her ilk into projects they don't deserve access to.