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World's Largest Solar Power Plant Planned For Chernobyl Nuclear Wasteland (electrek.co)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via Electrek: Chernobyl, the world's most famous and hazardous nuclear meltdown, is being considered for the world's largest solar power plant. Even though nearly 1,600 square miles of land around Chernobyl has radiation levels too high for human health, Ukraine's ecology minister has said in a recent interview that two U.S. investment firms and four Canadian energy companies have expressed interest in Chernobyl's solar potential. Electrek reports: "According to PVTech, the Ukrainian government is pushing for a 6 month construction cycle. Deploying this amount of solar power within such a time frame would involve significant resources being deployed. The proposed 1GW solar plant, if built today, would be the world's largest. There are several plans for 1GW solar plants in development (Egypt, India, UAE, China, etc) -- but none of them have been completed yet. One financial benefit of the site is that transmission lines for Chernobyl's 4GW nuclear reactor are still in place. The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development has stated they would be interested in participating in the project, 'so long as there are viable investment proposals and all other environmental matters and risks can be addressed to the bank's satisfaction.'"

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  1. empty waste land not equal to best location by sittingnut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    this seems such a great idea at 1st, but why build a solar plant there?
    just because land is wasted and unused? but so are lands in much hotter places 'wasted'? there is no inherent reason why that place should be chosen over any other place with unused land. (ok its position in power-grid integration may have had some validity because there was a power-station there, but that was years ago.).
    decision to build or not a solar plant should be made based on factors (such as weather) that make that location better than others.

    1. Re:empty waste land not equal to best location by Pentium100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And one such factor is that the are currently sits unused and cannot be used for pretty much anything else. It also is probably safe from being taken over by Russians (who would want uninhabitable land), unless they prepare to occupy the whole country (in which case the location of this power plant does not matter). Also, as the summary states, there are high capacity power lines in the zone already and repairing them probably is cheaper than building brand new lines.

      While you could built it, say, near Odessa and be 500km closer to the equator (which presumably would result in more sunlight), that area is in danger of being taken over by Russians (and also is in the "pro-Russian south"). The land is most likely already in use for agriculture or something like that.

    2. Re:empty waste land not equal to best location by darthsilun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious––

      I don't know what the numbers are, but apparently not having to build the connection to the grid makes it worthwhile.

      People have talked about building solar+wind in the Sahara, but the cost of constructing the connection to the European grid is prohibitive. You could produce a lot of electricity, but who would you sell it to? I.e. who would you sell it to at high enough prices to make an ROI that justifies doing it in the first place. It would appear that Morocco, Tunisia, and Libya aren't the answer.

    3. Re:empty waste land not equal to best location by AchilleTalon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Power transportation and distribution already exist on this site. Your comment 'but that was years ago' is totally irrelevant.Building distribution lines is expensive, they are already on site. It is not like you have to build them to an isolated site in the middle of nowhere.

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    4. Re:empty waste land not equal to best location by loonycyborg · · Score: 2

      I always thought that Chernobyl make a good wildlife preserve, because it's no longer infested with humans. A large powerplant will still require a lot of human workers, even a solar one. And it will be hard to find enough workers willing to live there to man it fully.

    5. Re:empty waste land not equal to best location by JustBoo · · Score: 2

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    6. Re:empty waste land not equal to best location by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's not a good place for wildlife. Anything that lives longer than a year or two starts to run into problems from ingesting contaminated substances, including plants. Birth defects are not uncommon, especially in larger mammals. Unless you are trying to breed radiation hardened animals very slowly for some reason...

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    7. Re:empty waste land not equal to best location by stoatwblr · · Score: 2

      "That's only in close proximity to the plant"

      Even in close proximity to the plant the hotspots are pretty easily characterised and dealt with if there was a will to do so - mushrooms in particular have been shown to concentrate the contaminants.

      The entire Chernobyl exclusion zone is about as radioactive as the Yorkshire Dales and less so than downtown Helsinki (granite) or Denver (altitude). For that matter the Yorkshire Dales are several times more radioactive than the entire Fukushima exclusion zone (including the contaminated water tanks) except for the areas inside the reactor buildings immediately adjacent to the damaged reactors.

      Radioactive spots are easy to detect and cleanup from a distance. They also decay with time. Chemical poisons like mercury, lead, arsenic and depleted uranium(*) are much harder to detect and are around forever.

      (*) DU oxide is as dangerous as lead oxides from a biological point of view. No radiation needed. When you see kids playing all over dead tanks in Iraq or people growing crops around the things, you should be worried.

      The big folly of renewables plants is that if you carpeted the earth with them you could just about match overall existing electrical generation capacity, but current electricity generation only accounts for about 40% of global carbon emissions at best. By the time you eliminate carbon for heating and for most terrestrial transport systems your electrical requirements will increase by a factor of at least 10.

      Add in the requirement for developing countries to have adequate electricity for developmment (the way to encourage poor people to have fewer children is to left them out of poverty) and you really start seeing why renewables are a diversion (mostly farming "subsidies" - not economically producing electricity, even compared to expensive nuclear systems) from the real issue - which is getting safer(**) nuclear systems online as fast as possible before we trigger an anoxic oceanic dieoff. (Some would say this has already started)

      (**) Safer than we have now - molten salt systems are several orders of magnitude safer simply on the basis that you can't have a radioactive steam explosion, let alone a hydrogen one or the usual issues with nuke plants venting radioactive steam (TMI) or water (happens regularly). The problem with current nuclear technology isn't so much the nuke part, it's the water that almost all reactors are immersed in.

  2. Well.... by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There goes the wildlife preserve that was doing so well. Honestly, why not build another nuclear plant there? It's all shielded anyway.

    1. Re:Well.... by darthsilun · · Score: 2

      Well, think about it.

      The region is contaminated. People can't stay there. (IIRC animals in the area have been tested and found to be harmed by long term exposure.) To run a nuclear power plant you'd have to have people there 24/7. PV solar farms don't need staff. All the (small) farms around here just sit quietly making electricity without a human anywhere in sight.

    2. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, why not build another nuclear plant there? It's all shielded anyway.

      Because solar is walk away safe.

    3. Re:Well.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Animal life is doing quite well.
      Only if you count the numbers of animals that live there now in relation to how they where hunted before.

      Quite well implies healthy and long lived: and that they are not. Animal life is healthy no it is not healthy. They live about 2/3rd of their natural life span and die to cancer (longer living ones, rabbits which die after 4 or 6 years probably die to early anyway to have a measurable effect besides birth defects) or unknown reasons, sudden immune system collapse etc. The rate of birth deformations and still borns is very high.

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    4. Re:Well.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They live about 2/3rd of their natural life span and die to cancer (longer living ones, rabbits which die after 4 or 6 years probably die to early anyway to have a measurable effect besides birth defects) or unknown reasons, sudden immune system collapse etc. The rate of birth deformations and still borns is very high.

      This is a complete fabrication. You are just making things up.... Typical and expected.

    5. Re:Well.... by johannesg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Three of the four reactors were in use for years after the accident. Apparently it was still possible to find staff.

      It is also possible to book a daytrip to the exclusion zone as a tourist. Costs around $100.

      Here's some wildlife: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chern...

    6. Re:Well.... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      This is a complete fabrication. You are just making things up.... Typical and expected.
      No it is not. There are plenty of wildlife movies about this, even on youtube.

      Easy to google, seems you are a brainwashed idiot.

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    7. Re:Well.... by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      Those are called previous publications - if you have access to any journals you are free to search for Dr. Timothy Mousseau. If you don't understand the terminology you need to learn more about reading, for instance research papers are very vocabulary intensive - here is a general guide on how to read scientific literature. Face reality that you have a losing position, radiation causes chemical changes in DNA and that is the active cause of biological deformities in well understood circumstances, demonstrated by samples collected from two heavily radioactive sites - one decades old, and one more recent. Idiot.

  3. Workers by tsotha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The plant's not going to build itself, which means thousands of people kicking up dust over those six months, and even after it's complete there will need to be people there to maintain it.

    1. Re:Workers by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Entering Chernobyl (the town) isn't instant death.

      People have been working there almost every day since the disaster.

      People are working there now.

      People are building the shells over the plant itself still.

      So long as you monitor your exposure levels and don't spend weeks at a time close to the place, you're fine.

  4. Oh I get it....those crafty post soviet mutants.. by Bob_Who · · Score: 4, Funny

    It will be the first twenty four hour solar power plant since the place already glows in the dark.

  5. The forest was killed by radiation by mdsolar · · Score: 3, Interesting
  6. Re:Solar is cheaper by stabiesoft · · Score: 2

    Depends on the study. Wind does beat pretty universally. Also must add in costs for backup since the sun does not shine at night. For northern climates like ukraine this gets more problematic as demand at night is higher in winter. Shoot even in texas, peaks on cold nights can get very close to daytime summer loads. For texas, usually ok as wind is blowing out west on those nights, but I recall one brief cold spell where ERCOT was worried about satisfying demand during the night time peak and was worried they would need to do rolling blackouts.

  7. Re: 4GW vs 1GW by mspohr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Solar is half the cost of nuclear (per kWh) and getting cheaper.
    Nuclear just keeps getting more expensive.

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  8. Winter Construction? by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    Out of 12 months a year that region might have seven months in which construction is possible. Ice and snow take up almost half a year so a one year period is simply not at all realistic. Imagine trying to keep the snow off of those panels to generate power in the cold months over there.

  9. South Korea begs to differ by stabiesoft · · Score: 2

    As I said in my post, it depends. Wikipedia and other sources note nuclear/solar depends on the study and what factors are accounted for. Batteries alone cost more per kwh if you need to store the juice. It is a complicated problem and everyone seems to pick a side and hrumpf away.

  10. Terrible place for a solar plant by Solandri · · Score: 2

    Chernobyl is at 51 degrees North latitude. That far north, the angle of the sun and the earth's tilt significantly reduces the the available solar power throughout the year. It's about the same latitude as Germany, which only manages a solar capacity factor of about 0.10 (i.e. if you have a fixed panel with 100 Watts peak generating capacity at that location, over a year it will on average generate 10 watts). Capacity factor incorporates weather, night, average angle of the sun, and less sunlight reaching the ground because it has to travel through more air due to its oblique angle through the atmosphere.

    The continental U.S. sits closer to 40 degrees North latitude, and has an average solar capacity factor of 0.145. The best locations for solar are closer to the equator, and in arid environments with few clouds. Solar capacity factor in Southern California and Arizona for example is about 0.185. That is, you can get nearly double the energy production of Germany for the same surface area of panels, simply by putting them in a better location. Chernobyl sits along Ukraine's northern border. Unless there are huge differences in average cloud cover, Ukraine would be much better served by building the solar plant along its southern border.

  11. Re:Solar is cheaper by mdsolar · · Score: 2

    New nuclear can't be delivered at less than 16 cents per kwh. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... Solar alway comes in at less than 8 and is typically 4 these days.