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Millennials Are Less Likely To Be Having Sex Than Young Adults 30 Years Ago, Says Survey (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A survey of nearly 27,000 people suggests that millennials are less likely to be having sex than younger adults were 30 years ago. The Guardian reports: "The research, conducted in the U.S., found that the percentage of young adults aged between 20 and 24 who reported having no sexual partner after the age of 18 increased from 6% among those born in the 1960s, to 15% of young adults born in the 1990s. Published in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior by researchers from three U.S. universities, the study involved the analysis of data collected through the nationwide General Social Survey that has asked U.S. adults about their sexual behavior almost every year since 1989. The results reveal that young adults aged between 20 and 24 and born in the 1990s were more than twice as likely to report that they had had no sexual partners since the age of 18 than young adults of the same age born in the 1960s. Just over 15% of the 90s-born group reported that they had not had sex since they turned 18, compared to almost 12% of those born in the 1970s or 1980s. For those born in the 60s the figure was just over 6%. The shift [towards increasing abstinence seen among all adults since the 1960s] was greater for white individuals, those who had not gone to university, and those who attended religious services. The trend was also greater for women than for men: the authors found that 2.3% of women born in the 1960s are sexually inactive, compared to 5.4% of those born in the 1990s. That, the authors suggest, could in part be down to a rise in so-called virginity pledges as well as concerns about social stigma. As for why this is the case, the authors of the study suggest it could have something to do with the fact that young people are living at home for longer, thus "stifling their sex life," and playing video games and consuming media in their free time. In addition, easy access to pornography may also be playing a role. A co-author of the research, Ryne Sherman, also suggests another factor could be that the way in which people interpret questions asked in the survey has changed. "Young people in the 1950s, when they were asked if you had a sexual partner, [might] say 'oh oral sex, that counts,' whereas young people today might say 'oh no that doesn't count because I didn't actually have sexual intercourse,'" he said.
Read. My. Lips.
They.
Have.
No.
Money.
Forget your bullshit socio-economic-policital-technobabble explanations. This isn't about cell-phones, or aids, or sex-ed, or work-life balances, or aids, or gender studies, or social media, or tv shows, or Donald fucking Trump!
It's the economy stupid.
Younger Millenials are fucked. They have less jobs, less stable jobs, less income, more debt, higher rents, etc, etc,... and most importantly less opportunity to buy a home. They cannot afford one, they will not be given a loan, they cannot hope to get the cash together to get on with their lives and pay for the dating scene. It's the economy stupid.
This happened in Japan. It's happenning here. The sexy-time rate, house-buying rate, and baby popping rate are directly proportional to the opportunity and stability on offer to young people in society. Millenials have been fucked over to pay for Boomer's plummeting pensions and guess what, the goose has stopped laying the egg.
It's the economy stupid.
Maybe they just feel less pressure to be sexually active. People are waiting longer to get married and have kids, and when you are taking on massive debts there is more inventive to work hard rather than screwing around at college. More over, less pressure on women to satisfy men, and less pressure on men to define themselves by the number of sexual partners they have had.
In other words it might be a good thing. Then again, it might also be due to bad things that the authors considered, like not being able to move out of their parents homes. Seems like more research is needed.
We must be careful to avoid ending up like Japan, with a rapidly falling population.
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I'm not sure the "that doesn't count as sexual relations" thing is the best explanation if this is a recent trend. I'd have expected it to show up in responses long before now, not just those who actively grew up after the infamous Clinton episode.
Compared to the 1960's? Sure. But that effect should have begun becoming noticeable pretty early in the 2000's, when teens old enough to be paying attention (somewhat) to culture and politics would have started becoming sexually active.
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it isn't because they don't have money, sex is cheap, it is convincing the girl to have sex that can get expensive.
It is because they have more things to do, the freedom to do them, and options.
50 years ago the average age a couple married and started popping out kids was 20.
30 Years ago the average age a couple married and started popping out kids was 22.
The last time I looked it was 28 and rising quickly.
18 may start your adult life, but you need 4 years of college to earn more than $50k a year for the rest of your life.(yes some exceptions are available but not that many)
Then you get to 22 and you need to start working.
50 years ago women were not even allowed to buy a car or home without a male cosigner. (Equal credit act wasn't passed until 1974)
We gave women freedom, they no longer need to be bound fiscally, physically,or socially to a man to survive. This is the natural result. Why people can't understand it or find it shocking proves just how stupid they are.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
There are many benefits to a smaller population. Rather than fearing a declining population it should be encouraged.
There is also a chance that the reason is that touching a woman (with words is sometimes enough) is considered by some gender warriors an act of violence and you cannot get out of perverts register once in. Then the other thing is: indeed as a male I see no point of running around. The bitches are ugly, most of them are fat, they have no reason and thanks to modern propaganda very conflicting goals. Their expectations are high too. Maybe it is my apserger or old age or maybe both but after all these decades on this planet I still get a hard on but have no motivation to run behind females. Fortunately in my jurisdiction escorts are legal and I still have enough to go for it. It is not so that I hate women or so - in sex life however they proved annoying, at work I value them as much as males i.e. not much. Politics I do not care - if people are high enough they become kings all the same - it does not matter what background, skin colour or gender they have - psychopaths or just opportunists.
As for your worries - Japan is doing just fine now. Think however about the success of your proposal - constant procreation and increase of population - I do not need to do 2+2 here I think - this will end up badly at some point. Humans are living creatures - they spread till they encounter a barrier to their progress - interesting things happen then. Not sure if they are much better than Japanese solution the way it looks like now.
The results reveal that young adults aged between 20 and 24 and born in the 1990s were more than twice as likely to report that they had had no sexual partners since the age of 18 than young adults of the same age born in the 1960s.
Well, they obviously lying about their age, so chances are they are less than truthful about their sex lives as well.
As a late member of the boomer generation I was able to get a job as a computer programmer that 2 years in enabled me to buy an apartment at 3 times that salary.
25 years on I still live in the apartment. It's worth four times what I paid for it. If I was in the same job, I'd be on about twice what I was then. Therefore I wouldn't have a hope of getting on the property ladder, and wouldn't benefit from inflation to ensure that the real cost of my mortgage payments faded away. And that's before issues of exploding university debt etc.
It's therefore true that boomers like me have benefited from an opportunity that has now gone to gain prosperity, and so it's the next generation that should get the leg up from the grandparents, not the boomers who've already benefited.
One of those dating sites published some stats a while back. The data was interesting.
The take-away from the stats was that men tend to find average women attractive, whereas women only find above-average men attractive.
So, where a dude who's a five is fine with a woman who's a 5, the woman who's a 5 is only responding to the 8's in the pool.
80% of women are chasing the top 10% of men. And because even homely-looking ladies get carpet bombed by responses from dudes just hoping to get a nibble for a cast, they have inflated ideas of what their league actually is.
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The previous generation defied their elders by having sex. Millennials are doing the opposite thing now — but for the same reasons...
Maybe, humanity was smarter about it in the earlier centuries — when the unmentionables weren't mentioned (as often) in the news and entertainment channels.
There is so much of it now, it must be turning some people off...
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Dude, women have been crazy forever. That isn't a new thing. Millenials think everything is new.
1. So many people are over weight these days. Fat is unattractive therefore fat people will not have a lot of sex.
The attractiveness or not of fat has varied so much that it's pretty much certainly a cultural thing. And some people right in this culture find fat attractive. Just google "BBW" for some education (NSFW).
2. Rape hysteria and the associated laws act as a disincentive.
What rape hysteria? Rape culture is where a rapist like Brock Turner gets a scant 6 months because the the judge says a prison sentence might have a bad impact on him.
3. Men are being taught to be wimps, single mothers can't teach men how to be desirable.
I reject your ideas of what I should be.
7. The globalist propaganda says global warming and overpopulation is rampant, discouraging people from having children.
Yeah people never just screw for the hell of it. Only for kids. True story.
8. Slutty women and their STD's, pregnancy scares and personal drama make a man think twice about chasing tail.
Wait slutty women (read: women actually happy to have sex) is a reason less sex is happening? WTF? More likely a lot of guys like you being a raging asshole to anyone who'll have sex with you is a reason you're not getting any.
The bottom line? Dating is a buyer's market and the buyers are women. /em.
Not really, no. There's quite a bit of social pressure against it, but a lot of guys want to settle down and have kids. And of course women who want to sleep around (which is what people like you want) then get insulted and called sluts... by people like you. So that's a disincentive if ever there was one.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It is like saying that sitcoms are poisonous to friendships because it creates in people a expectation that all their friends should have great one-liners every 30 seconds or so, and people are getting depressed because there is no laugh track in real life to your own jokes.
My generation (and the ones before it) slams each other hard. One-liner after one-liner. When we act the same way to these pussies of the special snowflake generation we would be called racists, misogynists, homophobes, and so on.
Even just pointing this out gets us labeled racists, misogynists, homophobes, etc, because apparently we dont know how to act in a civilized society. We are apparently filled with hate.
No, what has happened is that the media has become so extremely politically correct that 'micro-aggression' is now a thing and that we have let the radical feminists decide what social norms are for the rest of us. The system is rigged against men being men. Its not hate my generation is exhibiting, its masculinity. Any hint of masculinity in our youth and we give them Adderall, Ritalin, Wellbutrin, and a slew of other drugs that suppresses us precisely at the age where we are supposed to be finding ourselves.
The young men of the special snowflake generation are a bunch of pussies, and its not their fault. Its the misguided war on masculinity that is at fault.
"His name was James Damore."
How well did that work out for the native americans?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
I've not found any of my expressions of masculinity have been criminalized. Perhaps you're thinking about expressions of extreme douchbaggery instead. If to you "being a man" means "being criminally assholey" then your idea of what a man is is fucked up.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
What rape hysteria? Rape culture is where a rapist like Brock Turner gets a scant 6 months because the the judge says a prison sentence might have a bad impact on him.
*One* case does not rape culture make. Despite what you are led to believe, women are actually *safer* on college campuses than anywhere else. You often hear the 1 in 3 stat mentioned, but that stat is based on a piss poor study that's only quoted because it supports an agenda.
What's far more prevalent are the rape accusations, which is really no surprise when you think about it. Rape is a heinous crime, and folks that commit it are rightfully shunned and hated. However, what's happening is that the merest accusation can be enough to ruin someone's life ( men, not women incidentally ). As false accusers are rarely punished for their behavior, it creates a very effective tool for women to deploy against men. Think: Duke, Rolling Stones, Mattress Girl, and those are just off the top of my head.
In our culture of fear and snap judgments and "Dear Colleague" letters, you'd have to be crazy as a man to have sex on a college campus. Hell, you'd have to be crazy to even GO to college, seeing how an unsupported accusation would be enough to get you expelled. No, it's worse than that; not just unsupported, but an evidence refuted accusation can get you kicked out with no recourse.
Finally, you mention a rapist who got a light sentence. I agree that's wrong, but if you really want to be outraged about that I'd like to know your stance on the legion of women teachers who continually get suspended sentences or community service for sex with minors. It seems there's another in the paper every week, with kids as young as grade school.
Ironically, that may be where the real rape culture is; in our elementary and high schools.
As far as the younger generation not having as much sex; maybe the men are smarter than we were. They see that all the effort and time spent just increases their risk factor of having their lives ruined and are noping out. Smart.
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I get all the arguments about declining buying power, wealth disparity and our media/online culture turning everybody into aloof nerds with no time for sex and the successful social interaction that is required for that, and it could very well be that that all factors into this development.
However, I don't think that that is the sole problem. In Germany I observe the women of my generation and a decade or so younger caught up in demands and expectations that can only be called patently absurd. And I think it is very much the same in the USA, as in certain dynamics and structures in society these two countries are very similar.
There are a lot of factors playing into this, such as women not yet completely atuned to having equal rights vis-a-vis their male peers and not yet having fully adjusted their expectations and their true responsibilities and 'duties' that come with it. Such as carefully balancing resource acquisition, mating and active survivaly strategies - by evolutionary and thus old-testatment definition a classic "mans job".
There are studies that women are actually more unhappy today than they were back in the sixties, when they basically were second-class citizens. This could be due to the fact that despite all the media hype about women wanting to lead corporations and earn the big bucks, the vast majority of women would maybe rather have a guy doing all that annoying external survival stuff and rather sit at home with the tribe nurturing little humans.
I very much think this is also due to some choice-effect coming up with equal rights and an abundance of goods needed for pure survival. For the first time in this planets history more people are obese than hungry or starving and a woman doesn't need a set of leader-warshipping willing-to-die-for-the-honor men close by to survive the other tribe warriors or the sabretooth lions roaming the area. She is free to choose when and if she takes a man and doesn't even need one to reproduce.
That a modern society that succsessfully has decoupled sex from reproduction and moves everyting concerning mating and reproduction squarely into the domain of conscious decision shouldn't be too surprised about the development described in TFA.
I expect this development to get worse and only change once society has moved into some sort of utopian mating-and-reproduction ritual or mechanism that tries to mitigate the effects of humanity moving further away from their mammal originins.
Then again, statistical analysis of humanities gene-pool show that throughout the history of mankind, 4 out of 5 men never got to reproduce whereas 4 out of 5 women did - which very much fits the fact that women take 9 months to build a human but men roughly 20 minutes to squirt one into a woman. In evolutionary terms a male individual is measurably less worth than a woman, which these numbers, odly enough, reflect again.
It's complicated, but I defenitely observe first-worlds women, equal rights and a choice effect with women playing into this. Especially after just having visited a classic macho-culture the last two weeks and observing mens and womens behaviour there. I was in moscow and my fairly recent new sweetheart is a russian lady. A difference of night and day in some aspects of socialisation vis-a-vis German or US women. No doubt. I wouldn't say it's all good that way, but until society fully grows up about these things I'd rather go 'classic couple' than have no stable relationship at all.
Bottom line concerning this aspect of the problem:
Women in the west need to emanzipate further and need to notice what work comes with being more independant. I'm sure us men can help by keeping a wide berth around women who aren't quite there yet and who's demands and expectations reflect that.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
then your idea of what a man is is fucked up.
Yes, because anyone disagreeing with SJW idea of how a man must behave must be fucked up. After all, you all like your men barefoot and paying alimony.
Here are some specific examples of natural masculinity expressions that are being attacked in today's society:
1. Rough play and fighting (even is sports)
2. Risk-taking of any kind
3. Hunting (especially with guns)
4. Loyalty to your male friends
5. Tinkering and do-it-yourself culture
6. Self-reliance and individualism
1. Rough play and fighting (even is sports)
Are you talking about rough play, sports or actually fighting. They're not the same. I can't think I've ever seen anyone[*] claim that playing rugger makes you evil. Starting fights after closing time however, you can keep that.
2. Risk-taking of any kind
that's just stupid and you're making it up.
3. Hunting (especially with guns)
We don't have much of a hunting culture here unless you're a toff and even then it's with dogs, not guns.
4. Loyalty to your male friends
Again, that's just stupid and you're making it up.
5. Tinkering and do-it-yourself culture
Third time, you're just making shit up. No one's revoked my SJW license for owning tools and actually using them.
6. Self-reliance and individualism
Are you talking about actual self reliance, or going your own way on ot the internet where you grouse about women and SJW?
[*]The internet is big. If you can find one lone nutcase, that doesn't make it a trend.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
When we act the same way to these pussies of the special snowflake generation we would be called racists, misogynists, homophobes, and so on.
Okay...
No, what has happened is that the media has become so extremely politically correct that 'micro-aggression' is now a thing and that we have let the radical feminists decide what social norms are for the rest of us. The system is rigged against men being men.
So you are annoyed at people calling other people bigots, and then call other people bigots. You are annoyed that people feel upset about what other people say, and then get upset about what other people say.
There is a flaw in your argument.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Beware using dating site stats to draw conclusions about real life. All dating sites have a terrible male:female ration, meaning that women can be extremely picky and men are lucky to get any kind of response.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
It's not propaganda to say fat isn't beautiful. When people are walking around with waists larger than 50" weighing over 300 pounds and can barely life themselves up a single flight of stairs, that is obese. When you have kids less than 10 years of age weighing 100 pounds, that isn't healthy.
Just because other people choose to live a healthy lifestyle, which means a lean body, does not make them skeletal.
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