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Average Broadband Speed in US Rises Above 50 Mbps For First Time (techcrunch.com)

Internet speeds are getting faster in the United States, especially in cities such as Kansas City, Austin, Seattle, San Francisco, and Phoenix, according to a new Speedtest Market Report. The report, by Ookla's popular service, found that fixed broadband customers saw the biggest jump in performance this year with download speeds achieving an average of over 50Mbps for the first time ever. The result marks a 40 percent increase since July 2015. From a TechCrunch report: That average, 54.97 megabits per second is 42 percent higher than the same period last year, and upload jumped even more -- 18.88 is 51 percent higher year over year. This is all based on the 8 million or so daily tests conducted on Speedtest's website and apps, by the way, so the data is pretty sound. Comcast Xfinity took the honors for fastest speed on average, but its 125 megabits wasn't that much higher than the competition: Cox with 118 and Spectrum with 114. [...] On mobile, Verizon and T-Mobile are tied for first place with 21 megabits and change download speed on average, though the latter beats the competition by a long shot with upload speeds averaging 11.59 megabits. Poor Sprint, though.

108 comments

  1. This by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is probably the result of people using mobile phone data instead of DSL .

    1. Re:This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      see if it correlates with latency and you will probably have an answer to that.

    2. Re:This by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Why are people rating this funny? I was getting 25Mbs with my Comcast wired connection. While waiting in a parking lot one day, I decided to speed test my T-Mobile connection and got 90Mbs. I've since upgraded my modem with Comcast, but the point remains that I was getting faster data through my cell service than my wired connection (and for a lot less money, although the high speed data limit is 1/100th of what Comcast's is).

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    3. Re:This by ITRambo · · Score: 2

      Data caps are the real issue that is mostly ignored in the US. What is the point of having 50-Mbps speeds if you are charged for going over your (X-GB.month) data cap? It's far to easy to do so. We need a class action suit against the land based ISP's for this gouging tactic.

    4. Re:This by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      I agree - especially when what most people signed on for was "unlimited," and especially if someone signed a long term (year or more) contract that the provider unilaterally changed after the fact. But really, instead of going the route of more government regulation, they should be attacking providers for dividing up territory to keep monopolies. If we had more competition, we'd have better prices and service. I would dearly love to dump Comcast, but now I'm getting 90Mbs, and nobody else in my area comes close.

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    5. Re:This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see...
      90Mbit/sec speed
      20GByte/mo cap (160Gbit)
      About 30 minutes at full speed and your're out of data.

      If there was no cap, you'd be able to pull down 27.8 terabytes.
      On mobile, you're effectively getting a dedicated connection of 63.2 kb/sec.

      This needs to change.

    6. Re:This by MercTech · · Score: 1

      I had over 25 Mbps until AT&T started throttling back in May 2016.
      And AT&T told us then that we could not have an internet package without a cap unless we committed to a one year contract for television service too. .... I had almost forgotten why I dropped Uverse TV a few years ago until I saw the 18 minutes of advertising per half hour of program standard again.

              We moved to Uverse from DSL so we could have two people in an MMORPG while a third person watched Netflix. You can't do that since May 2016 with the throttling.

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  2. The average is most always a terrible statistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to report, when the measurement in question is not normally distributed about the mean. I'm skeptical that the median broadband speed is anywhere close to 50 mbps, especially discounting university internet. I live in the suburb of a large enough city, and I can get 15/2 for $, or I can get the next tier up for 4$.

    1. Re:The average is most always a terrible statistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, as it's based on tests conducted on Speedtest's website, I'd be very surprised if there isn't some pretty hefty selection bias going on. The people who choose to go to Speedtest are going to be people who care about the speed of their internet connection, and not a random sample.

    2. Re:The average is most always a terrible statistic by murdocj · · Score: 1

      They care about speed... but they might not be caring about high speed. Probably the most frequent use of speedtest is when you are having performance problems, so if anything it's probably under-reporting the speed.

    3. Re:The average is most always a terrible statistic by Holi · · Score: 1

      Probably the most frequent use of speedtest is...
      People who want to test out their new fast internet. They are the people that will run several tests in a row. Some people may go to speedtest if they are having problems, but most will just call their cable company.

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    4. Re:The average is most always a terrible statistic by murdocj · · Score: 1

      And what does your cable company tell you to do when you call them with a problem? In the past, comcast has told me to run a test using ... Speedtest. And how quickly do most problems get fixed? Seems to take a LONG time with LOTS of testing ("switch off your router for half an hour, test, call us back and get a different customer service rep who will tell you to do the same thing all over again, etc").

      I'm not saying that Speedtest is graven in stone as the absolute authority of speed, but it sure doesn't just represent the top end either.

    5. Re:The average is most always a terrible statistic by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Yes, whenever I've gotten some new piece of equipment, I might speedtest to see what, if any, improvement I got. But I've used it far more times when internet speed seemed really slow to see if the problem was on my end or not.

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  3. Pretty Sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This is all based on [...] Speedtest's website and apps, by the way, so the data is pretty sound."

    I tried reading this aloud and couldn't keep a straight face.

    1. Re:Pretty Sound? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Because everyone with crappy low-end DSL and dialup have long since given up on speedtests. Who cares if you're getting 500 or 600 kbps downstream, the net is built for 10 mbps or more now.

      Last time I tried doing a speedtest the download needle didn't even budge, and the upload timed out.

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    2. Re:Pretty Sound? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      The only people who have low-end DSL and dialup live in Seattle, like me.

    3. Re:Pretty Sound? by Calydor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      *looks out window*

      So this is what Seattle looks like? Weird, can't see the Space Needle from here.

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    4. Re:Pretty Sound? by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      There is a lot of fog in Seattle, plus you are in your Mom's basement.

    5. Re:Pretty Sound? by murdocj · · Score: 1

      I've generally found speedtest pretty reliable. Results are reproducible and correlate with what I'm paying for, and with back of the envelope calculations of actual download times.

    6. Re:Pretty Sound? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if their tests are accurate down to a single byte if everyone with connections below, say, 2 mbps never even bother testing their speed because it is always 'Too slow'.

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    7. Re:Pretty Sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was a few years back, but I found a few speedtest servers in major cities that ran very quickly. It made me question the accuracy of the data. The speedtest in question claimed about 3Mb/s greater than my provisioned speed, and let me tell you, I get exactly what is provisioned. Using both software on my desktop and my firewall's interface throughput graph, I saw a peak of about 35Mb/s, while speedtest was claiming about 53Mb/s. Since my desktop, LAN, and WAN interface all agreed to within 0.1Mb/s, speedtest was wrong.

      My ISP does run a speedtest server, and that one is very long, takes about 40 seconds in total. With that one it agrees "close enough" that I trust it.

      Anyway, averages are bullshit when it comes to networks. I'm more concerned about my minimum. Hypothetically, if I let my connection attempt to download/upload at full speed 24/7, what would my minimum be?

    8. Re:Pretty Sound? by murdocj · · Score: 1

      I tested the most when I was on DSL and paying for 3mbs and getting 760kbs.

      I'd like to see it substantiated that "people with fast connections test a lot and people with slow connections don't". Yes, there are some dick-wavers who need to see what their fiber connection is giving them, but if your connection is "fast enough" generally you aren't testing.

    9. Re:Pretty Sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because everyone with crappy low-end DSL and dialup have long since given up on speedtests.

      This, plus speedtest.net is so unreliable on normal speed connections, that I'm sure most people just give-up on using them. On my 160 kbps DSL at home where I live in Seattle, it usually takes me a dozen tries to get it to run. On my much faster 576 kbps DSL connection at work, it works about a third of the time.

      Even the new Google speed test is unreliable on normal speed connections. I got it to work at a friend's house that has a full Mbps with his T1.

    10. Re:Pretty Sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people who have low-end DSL and dialup live in Seattle, like me.

      That's not true. Much of the country has 1.5 Mbps or slower DSL. I manage IT for a chain of restaurants based out of Seattle, and I'd guess over half of them have 1.5 Mbps or slower DSL. While all of my friends around here all have slow DSL at home, I have friends outside of this area that also have ADSL (not ADSL2). ADSL2 is only 14 years old and telco equipment has a much longer life, so of course many (most?) people aren't going to have the the new stuff. Also, our main office here in Seattle has a "up to 1.5 Mbps" DSL connection, but it is 220 kbps:

      https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9480987&cid=52643895

      BTW, I would update my results on that page, but I couldn't get it to work despite trying more than a dozen times. speedtest.net obviously vastly over inflates test results since normal speed connections can't even run the tests.

    11. Re:Pretty Sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people who have low-end DSL and dialup live in Seattle, like me.

      I manage IT for our remote users, and many areas of the country, not just Seattle, are still stuck with G.lite. We still have a lot of employees that have trouble using remote desktop since they have 1.5 Mbps or slower G.lite connections at home. Yes, things are worse in Seattle, but they're pretty bad all around.

    12. Re:Pretty Sound? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You can't really judge consumer speeds by business speeds. Some ISPs are really braindead when it comes to this. They will refuse to offer businesses the same services that are available to consumers next door.

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    13. Re:Pretty Sound? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      "This is all based on [...] Speedtest's website and apps, by the way, so the data is pretty sound."

      I tried reading this aloud and couldn't keep a straight face.

      According to the headline, this is just the first time. Next time they'll do even better!

  4. I call fould by mrlinux11 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I and my neighbors are nowhere near 50mb, I have the fastest and it is just 3mb's

    1. Re:I call fould by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Me too. I live in Seattle and we only have 300 baud modems. We share them with 25 other people too.

    2. Re: I call fould by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      300 baud modem? My family of 50 has to share a connection, which is just cousin Cletus shouting "one" and "zero" from the top of a telegraph pole and listening for a response from cousin Billy-Joe standing on Comcast's roof.

    3. Re:I call fould by TheSync · · Score: 1

      If you are on DSL and live more than 3.5 km of loop from the DSLAM, you will never get faster than 5 Mbps.

      The average local loop length in the US is 4.25 km...

      DSL has sped up incredibly for short loops, but for long loops there won't be much improvement. Either someone has to build DSLAMs closer to the houses, FTTx, etc.

    4. Re:I call fould by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and having to jam my cell phone into the acoustic coupler is a real pain.

    5. Re:I call fould by geek · · Score: 1

      I and my neighbors are nowhere near 50mb, I have the fastest and it is just 3mb's

      This is an "average" meaning your puny 3mb is being lumped in with people on 1 gig fiber. The data is heavily skewed as a result.

    6. Re:I call fould by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too. I live in Seattle and we only have 300 baud modems. We share them with 25 other people too.

      Oh please. I work for Geek Squad so I've been in hundreds of houses in the Seattle area. I'm sure less than 10% of people are still on dial-up. I think I've only setup three modems so far this year. ADSL1 is by far the most common method of access. I would guess that nearly half of the people in the Seattle area have nearly a full Mbps of access.

    7. Re:I call fould by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I'm fascinated by all of these cable operators that seem to be leaving money on the table. Everywhere I've lived since the late 90s has had respectable cable modem service or something even better.

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    8. Re:I call fould by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That fast, eh?

    9. Re:I call fould by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      I have gigabit fiber, so it takes more than 20 of you to make up for me.

  5. Tampa, FL by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
    Things have been progressing along nicely here in Tampa, though I wonder what the future is going to be like now that Verizon sold it's FIOS service to Frontier. I have 75/75 service and typically see somewhere in the 80-90's for each direction.

    They have service upward of 250/250, but not willing to pay that much a month.

    1. Re:Tampa, FL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in the northern midwest I am paying $53 after taxes and fees for my ISP's lowest tier of 150Mb symmetrical unbundled and naked. I did have a 6 month $22/m promo. I get very low pings to the midwest servers. About 8ms in World of Warcraft. I run a ping against my ISP 24/7 from a habbit I got when I used Charter. I get a flat 1.5ms ping to one of my ISP's speedtest servers and my avg and min pings are the same. 0 packets lost over an entire month of ping.

  6. Time Warner Maxx by butchersong · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not surprised. Time Warner, the largest provider in the states has been rolling out decent upgrades recently. I'm in Kentucky (not typically the best availability) and am at 300/20 mbps as of this year. Not sure if this is a trend with other ISPs

    1. Re:Time Warner Maxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AC because I modded you up, but TW did the same for me in Los Angeles recently - I generally clock around 350/27 on my shiny newly pumped up 300/20 connection, which costs something like $65 a month. Can't complain so far.

    2. Re:Time Warner Maxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My TimeWarner is 15Mbps and costs $50/month. Totally outrageous.
      And when they raise my rates again, I'm going down to their poverty plan
      of 1.5mbps for $15/mo.

  7. Thanks, Google by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can directly attribute this bump in speed in my town (Austin) to Google Fiber. Before Google announced they were coming to Austin, the absolute fastest consumer-grade connection one could get was 50 Mbits, through TWC. As soon as Google mentioned their intentions to enter Austin with their Fiber service, TWC immediately started offering 100, 200, and even 300 Mbit plans, with plans for a 500 Mbit service level on the horizon. AT&T did something similar with their U-Verse service as well. Hell, I can even get these speeds in the next town over (Buda), where Google hasn't even announced they're going to go into. A little competition goes a long way.

    1. Re:Thanks, Google by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Huntsville, AL is about to experience the same. Our biggest ISP (AT&T) just lost out on a bid to deliver fiber internet through the utility company's fiber network. Suddenly, they've decided to listen to their customers who have been screaming for years for faster service and roll out their own fiber service. Of course all this is presuming that since corrupt Montgomery has their finger in all local politics, they don't just bribe their way in to legislating out Google.

    2. Re:Thanks, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope this happens in the UK, i'm stuck on a pitiful 2Mbit in one of the largest cities, one old copper infrastructure and one shitty exchanged owned by one company and required to be resell-able through other ISPs... the reality is that reselling someone else's service does not provide much competition.

    3. Re: Thanks, Google by ZeroWaiteState · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, it absolutely has to do with Google. Otherwise they would just amortize the older DOCSIS infrastructure over more years and only upgrade to avoid equipment failure. Just because new tech is available doesn't mean there is any reason to deploy it if you have no competitors. In the telcos case they did fiber projects in order to get grant money, and Verizon sold off their fiber business to Frontier after the grant money ran low. I've seen other smaller fiber operators setting up shop because the incumbents aren't interested in upgrading their networks. This usually works out with the incumbent purchasing the small operator and driving the price back up, but Google is the first one I've seen that AT&T etc can't afford to buy out.

    4. Re:Thanks, Google by rkhalloran · · Score: 1

      Same here in Jacksonville FL: Google announced this spring their interest in coming here. First part of July I get a postcard in the mail that AT&T has plumbed my neighborhood for FTTH and here's the package deal. Since I already had DirecTV the bundled cost for net/TV/VOIP was about $50/month less than my bills to Comcast, DirecTV & Vonage, and my bandwidth test via speedtest is now 940 Mb both ways vs. 80/10 with Comcast, and with the satellite bundle there's no data cap. Bundle cost is good for two years, by which point with any luck Google will be in town & I can decide *which* FTTH provider to go with. Embarrassment of riches...

    5. Re:Thanks, Google by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Pretty sweet bandwidth for satellite. What's your latency (ping) like though?

    6. Re:Thanks, Google by rkhalloran · · Score: 1

      no, no, the internet is FTTH (they dropped a fiber off the pole, drilled through the wall, put a fiber-to-cat-6 box on my wall to their "gateway" box (4-port router + dual-band 802.11ac, plus two VOIP ports). My TV service is off the oval dish on the corner of my roof to two receivers. Ping is 7ms per speedtest

    7. Re: Thanks, Google by chihowa · · Score: 1

      In the telcos case they did fiber projects in order to get grant money, and Verizon sold off their fiber business to Frontier after the grant money ran low.

      Which illustrates how the grant money is being poorly allocated. Companies shouldn't be able to pull a profit directly from the grants, but should be using them to acquire infrastructure that they couldn't/wouldn't otherwise get. It sounds like they were just treating the grants as free money because they were given too much or there weren't sufficiently durable strings attached to them. Why would they sell off an upgraded, and paid for, fiber network?

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    8. Re:Thanks, Google by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      But at what monthly cost?

  8. Meanwhile, they dont deploy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're increasing the average by NOT deploying it to shitty places that can only do DSL. Also, as the country becomes more urban, the average speed will increase, even if ISPs do nothing.

    It's just math.

    1. Re:Meanwhile, they dont deploy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice theory, but the country side has been getting most of the upgrades. Moving to the city is a downgrade in many situations. 150/150 fiber out at the farm for $20 with better packet quality than a 10g enterprise connection in the city or 60/4 for $100 in the city that has several down times per month, unstable bandwidth, and jitter/loss/lag during peak hours.

  9. Meanwhile in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in a small town and the best I can get is 5mpbs with a 180 Gb/month allocation for $95 CAD.

    1. Re:Meanwhile in Canada by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      it could be worse, you could be on satellite

  10. TWC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor sprint? What about all us suckers stuck with Time Warner? Notoriously worse customer service than the DMV and speeds that are so bad they don't even make the list.

    1. Re:TWC by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      My TW service is 100/10. I can get faster than that if I want to pay more.

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  11. Lots of data does not mean representative by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is all based on the 8 million or so daily tests conducted on Speedtest's website and apps, by the way, so the data is pretty sound.

    So how many people on the same old DSL line run a speed test to check that there speed is the same as it was 10 years ago? People use speed tests when they got a new line, they've upgraded it or they're troubleshooting. They don't do it at random. Our national statistics here in Norway is based on collection of subscription statistics, which seems far more reliable as users would probably complain if they didn't get what they paid for. Last figures are 1,914,431 broadband connections, average of 40.2 Mbps with a median of 25.6 Mbps.

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    1. Re:Lots of data does not mean representative by tomhath · · Score: 1

      A few months ago a /. story stated that US internet speeds were lower than most European countries. Everyone believed those numbers.

      Now the US numbers are higher than Europe and nobody believes them.

      Bottom line is that everyone's speeds are going up; whoever had the most recent survey wins.

    2. Re:Lots of data does not mean representative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not but when did bad data ever get in the way of self-congratulation? Turbonerds with pricey connections are far more likely to even know about speedtest.net so you are exactly right that the bias in the sample is massive. The only way to correct it would be to regress against all subscribers of each service (if you know those numbers) but even that is shaky since within the service provider you are still looking at samples on the top end of their service lineup.

      Summary: there is no way to get usable figured on how fast the average internet connection speed is without lots of door-to-door activity and census data.

    3. Re:Lots of data does not mean representative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few months ago a /. story stated that US internet speeds were lower than most European countries.

      You mean this story?

      Everyone believed those numbers.

      I can see at least 2 threads that contain disputes of that information. But maybe you're thinking of some other story?

      Now the US numbers are higher than Europe and nobody believes them.

      Bottom line is that everyone's speeds are going up; whoever had the most recent survey wins.

      Uh no, we can still compare collection methods for the data, to find out the real story, rather than rely on book blurbs. You rarely find any of them that say "This book is trite and unimaginative" but there are reviews that will.

    4. Re:Lots of data does not mean representative by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Since most people are troubleshooting, odds are speedtest is under-reporting actual speeds, not over-reporting.

    5. Re:Lots of data does not mean representative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      Sample bias anyone. I haven't run near as many tests on the 7Mbps Dsl line at the office as my cable line. Doubt my parents have ever tested their big, bad 3Mbps DSL cause it will be slow no matter what.

    6. Re:Lots of data does not mean representative by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      There's always going to be some outlier that says "no mine is great" or "no mine actually sucks".

      Plus, all journalism is agenda driven these days.

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  12. Except Windstream; the headwind provider... by NetAlien · · Score: 1

    Windstream provides a whopping(sic) 6-Mbps for nearing $80/mo. Cable internet crosses my driveway and every request for connection has been turned down because I'm too far off the road; even after my offer to take care of the last 700 feet...

    1. Re:Except Windstream; the headwind provider... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm paying $99/mo for my 6Mbps, with 300 GB transfer, from Digital Path. DSL and Cable are both on the next road over, but not mine.

      Telcos and Cable Companies should be forced to expand service to all paved roads if they're going to get a monopoly. That'll show 'em.

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    2. Re:Except Windstream; the headwind provider... by chispito · · Score: 1

      I'm paying $99/mo for my 6Mbps, with 300 GB transfer, from Digital Path. DSL and Cable are both on the next road over, but not mine.

      Telcos and Cable Companies should be forced to expand service to all paved roads if they're going to get a monopoly. That'll show 'em.

      You really need to make friends with someone on the next road over and set up a few parabolic antennas.

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  13. How is this measured? by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They say this is "broadband" speeds, but broadband was redefined last year to require 25Mbps downloads.

    So, someone could be sneaky and say 'oh, those 10 Mbps connections aren't broadband anymore', and you just drop out the lowest numbers, and miraculously the average goes up.

    Schools were using this trick by keeping the poorly performing students from taking standardized testing to raise their test averages.

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    1. Re:How is this measured? by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      They say this is "broadband" speeds, but broadband was redefined last year to require 25Mbps downloads.

      So, someone could be sneaky and say 'oh, those 10 Mbps connections aren't broadband anymore', and you just drop out the lowest numbers, and miraculously the average goes up.

      Schools were using this trick by keeping the poorly performing students from taking standardized testing to raise their test averages.

      Actually, the Speedtest report directly says this is exactly what they are doing. The reported numbers only consider the top 10% of speeds for a given ISP for a given location. So, the number is definitely not an average, even given that the samples are not random, e.g., people with better connections might be more likely to try the Speedtest test.

      So, the absolute speed number is not directly useful as a representation of the average or distribution of connection speeds. It may yield some insight after munging it a lot. And the relative different compared to past history may be useful, but that assumes that the same population is being sampled, which is not obvious.

  14. Measuring only the privileged segment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's much better than what it was a decade ago, but there are STILL legions of people out in rural areas who are still on dialup. "Connected at 28.8Kbps" is still something to celebrate. Nevermind that 56K modem- multiplexed phone lines abound out beyond metro areas.

  15. ...and mirrors by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

    My family has to stack wood so we can emit a burst of one's and zero's with our signal fire. The baud rate is terrible, and we keep getting parity errors when the blankets burn through. The cost of enough cords of wood to keep the connection up is horrific.

    To be fair, they did try to put a telegraph line in, but the Smith's down the road a ways cut and burned the poles trying to watch porn, and so that never came about.

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    1. Re:...and mirrors by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      To be fair, they did try to put a telegraph line in, but the Smith's down the road a ways cut and burned the poles trying to watch porn, and so that never came about.

      Well at least he did get wood.

    2. Re:...and mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the day, "online porn" amounted to browsing alt.sex.stories, which you could in fact do with a 300 baud modem (though 1200 baud was more common - some people complained a 300 baud modem couldn't download text fast enough to keep pace with their reading).

    3. Re: ...and mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1200 bps is still slower than most people's reading speed. 300 baud is only 30 characters per second. I remember clearly when I got my first 2400 bps modem, because text came in faster than I could read it.

  16. Our connection by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    I'm paying about $140/mo for 30/5 with a static IP via DSL.

    They're hanging fiber from the poles now (apparently burying it is too expensive), but I don't know if they'll actually offer us anything faster; there's only one pipe out of here. My middle son is on optical already, and he's running at a whopping 10/1. I think they're just tired of maintaining all that old copper. Lots of lightning here, keeps the repair people running hard all summer.

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  17. For the first time? by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    So do you think one day there will be a headline:

    Average Broadband Speed in US Rises Above 50 Mbps Again

    1. Re:For the first time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the 'rise' that's being averaged, (how could it, this is one study). It's the 'Mbps' that is the average, (for example city A has lowest speeds, city B has highest, and the rest of the US averages 50 Mbps). We used to be a lot slower.

      Oh and PS why is 50 worth mentioning? It's the current de-facto speed for downloading & streaming most content without hiccups or pauses. Or, in other words, the speed normally reserved or priced for businesses is now available at home :)

  18. Keeping it on the down low. by lazyron · · Score: 2

    Well I'm doing my best to keep it down with my 13mb CenturyLink DSL line... and patiently (grrr...) waiting for Google Fiber.

    1. Re:Keeping it on the down low. by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      Trade you my 6mbps CenturyLink line with no hope of ever getting Google Fiber.

      The local telco, one of the old school co-ops, was in the process of installing fiber links when CenturyLink bought it and stopped all infrastructure upgrades pending a cost/benefit analysis. Three years ago, seems like we lost the cost/benefit analysis.

  19. Also, govt redefining scientific facts by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > broadband was redefined last year to require 25Mbps downloads.

    Which is itself an example of government redefining scientific truth, not unlike the Indiana Pi bill. Baseband, passband, narrowband, and broadband have actual meanings, they describe the physics of how the connection works. 100 Mbps ethernet uses one channel, therefore it is narrowband. Gigabit ethernet uses four channels, so it's broadband.

    1. Re:Also, govt redefining scientific facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > broadband was redefined last year to require 25Mbps downloads.

      Which is itself an example of government redefining scientific truth, not unlike the Indiana Pi bill. Baseband, passband, narrowband, and broadband have actual meanings, they describe the physics of how the connection works.

      Wow, trying really hard here, eh? like most words, actually has a variety of usages, and sometimes diverging meanings among them. You seem to be seeking to use one set of terminology for broadband, while like it or not, the FCC is using another. Which they didn't originate, so they can hardly be faulted for going along with it, rather than seeking some more obscure terminology.

      The problem isn't the government here, the problem is your asinine argument that only serves to distract from a real discussion. Scientific truth isn't applicable, just common vernacular. I might accept a general complaint, but then you'd have to recognize that the fault didn't lie with the FCC, but a broader spectrum of society co-opting an existing term much as they did with decimate.

      100 Mbps ethernet uses one channel, therefore it is narrowband. Gigabit ethernet uses four channels, so it's broadband.

      Ok, so 1000 Mbit/s or much faster than the FCC standard.

        But hey, I remember when you confused the number of customers an ISP had for a specific broadband plan with their actual total number of customers.

      You're just not good at conversational skills.

    2. Re:Also, govt redefining scientific facts by narcc · · Score: 1

      broadband was redefined last year to require 25Mbps downloads.

      Which is itself an example of government redefining scientific truth

      Umm... What "scientific truth" would that be, exactly?

      I think you're deeply confused.

    3. Re:Also, govt redefining scientific facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It bothers me too that we are using a tech specific term to try to define a market offering; this isn't especially meaningful and it also causes a lot of confusion.
      Your comment doesn't really help though; the term for ethernet is baseband all forms of copper ethernet match this description; even 1000baset since it's using a single signal on each line. This type of configuration is similar to bonded connections where multiple lines are joined to create a single connection.

      So yes, even modem connections are broadband as they use a range of signals, and so is DSL even if it doesn't fit the government description of 25mbps, but that shouldn't change the rules of the market offerings to match the technology used since that's not the goal at all.

      Btw, single mode fiber is baseband as well, but I wouldn't complain if my broadband DSL connection got changed out for fiber.

    4. Re: Also, govt redefining scientific facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if my gig ethernet is optical? Am I now narrowband? How about optical 10Gb?
      Talk about redefining terms. Cite a reference that says broadband is defined that way.

  20. Akamai says 15 Mbps by TheSync · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Akamai State of the Internet Q1 2016 has a US average Internet bandwidth of 15 Mbps, which is far more believable.

    I agree that there are plenty of people in the US with 50 Mbps+ (I have that myself), but there are still a lot of people on the end of long DSL loops who will never get higher than 5 Mbps.

    1. Re:Akamai says 15 Mbps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably both. The average plan may very well be "up to 50 Mbps," while Akamai is measuring actual performance of 15 Mbps.

  21. HAPPY ANNIVERARY WINDOWS 10 !!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT IS FREE! 51 MB/s FREE because Microsoft is TRUST

  22. Why poor Sprint? by Solandri · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been on an ancient Sprint unlimited data plan (true unlimited data - I've used up to 112 GB in a month with no complaints and no throttling) for $50/mo for over a decade now. They had a rough spot with the WiMax bungle, but I stuck with them gambling that they'd pull through. And they have. I almost always have LTE service now in Southern California. TFA lists Sprint's (and AT&T's) LTE coverage as 93% vs Verizon's 98% (then uses a graph whose scale is apparently 90%-100% to exaggerate the difference). It's the LTE coverage which is key. It was really painful when Sprint was down near 50%, but it's actually pretty rare for me to see my phone in 3G mode nowadays.

    As for LTE speed, the average of the other carriers is 21.2 Mbps down, 9.3 Mbps up. Sprint's is 15.8 Mbps down, 4.9 Mbps up, or 75% down and 53% up vs the other carriers. Unless you're streaming 4k video to your cell phone, or regularly shoot a lot of videos and insist that they be uploaded to cloud backup immediately, these differences simply don't matter. They're all "fast enough" - they correspond to a few seconds or even a split second difference in most use cases.

    The speeds are to the point where consistency (better coverage, fewer dead spots) is a more important factor. And by that metric there's now only a 5% difference between the best and worst mobile carrier in the U.S. Hardly worth the 2x price Verizon wants for service. That's why I gambled and decided not to give up my unlimited plan on Sprint by switching carriers. Once your coverage reaches about 90% (which was where Verizon was at when Sprint was around 50%), you're pretty close to maxed out. There's simply not much more improvement you can make. Whereas Sprint at 50% had a lot of room for possible improvement. (Your experience will vary with location. I hear Sprint still sucks in the Bay Area.)

    (And if you're curious, no I'm not a bandwidth hog. My monthly data use is usually down around 1-3 GB. Just every now and then I go on a business trip or vacation, and use my phone as a hotspot so I and my family/friends can get Internet on our laptops and tablets. I'd have to pay $15/GB for overage if I switched to Verizon. The month I used 112 GB would've cost me over $1500. No thanks.)

  23. Biased data source. by jdharm · · Score: 2

    Ookla/speedtest.net is used by people on fast connections to see how fast they can push data, not by people on slow connections to see how bad they are, and not by the general public to accumulate representative data. This report would be like going to a drag strip and then claiming that the data shows that the average American car does a 1/4 mile in 8 seconds.

  24. Baseband means 1 channel, broadband multiple by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Fast ethernet uses one channel. It is therefore baseband. That's a fact. It's not a matter of opinion. Claiming that ethernet isn't baseband, but rather broadband, is just like claiming that ethernet is wifi. That's simply false.

    Baseband vs broadband are determined by whether a signal is multi-channel or single-channel, and have nothing to do with speed. "Defining" ethernet as broadband is precisely the same as "defining" Pi as 4.

    More about baseband vs broadband transmission:
    http://www.pearsonitcertificat...

    It would be correct for the FCC to come up with their own standard for "high speed". Saying that broadband is "anything over X Mbps" is exactly the same as saying "anything over X Mbps is fiber optic". It's factually false.

    1. Re:Baseband means 1 channel, broadband multiple by narcc · · Score: 1

      So it's the word "scientific" that's confused you...

      A few other points: The term "broadband", in this context, means something other than what you want it to mean. If you have a complaint about how language works, you'll need to get over it. No one is "Defining ethernet as broadband". You came up with that one all on your own.

      Again: What "scientific truth" are they "redefining", exactly?

    2. Re:Baseband means 1 channel, broadband multiple by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Plus, we are talking about technology here. That means we are talking about engineering rather than science. People who love to feel smug about "being more scientific" love to muddle this stuff.

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  25. have to wonder how much google influences? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, it would be nice if Google offered up partnership in their cable company to Amazon and Netflix. OR let them start their own, with google setting them up on how to compete. After all, the faster that we get competition out there amongst all states, the faster that Amazon, Netflix, Google, etc can see their speeds go without paying anything to current bandwidth providers.

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  26. Here's the FCC announcement, Ethernet is broadband by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > No one is "Defining ethernet as broadband".

    Here's the FCC announcement where they said any connection greater than 25 Mbps one way and 3 Mbps the other is a broadband connection:
    https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...

    Obviously at 100 Mbps, that includes ethernet. So yes, the FCC has declared that Ethernet is broadband.

    Yet it continues to be baseband, whether the FCC likes it or not.

  27. Re:Here's the FCC announcement, Ethernet is broadb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes words have different meanings in different contexts. The FCC is defining the marketing term "broadband" which has meant "it's like fast and stuff" for over a decade now. But since they could call 10Mb broadband, and 10Mb isn't fast in the era of HD streaming, they're upping the requirement to use that marketing term.

  28. You A'int Seen Nothin Yet by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    Wait until Google Fiber and Verizon FIOS are widely available.

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  30. Frontier...... by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    http://www.speedtest.net/my-re... 1.5Mbps/down .37Mbps/up for $30/mo

    With Frontier spending their profits on fighting municipal/community broadband competition I've really got to find an alternative out here...

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    When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
    1. Re:Frontier...... by infosinger · · Score: 1

      On frontier I have two 3.5 Mbps/down .75Mbps/up connections going into a load balancer. Does that count as 7/1.5? Both lines $19+$15

  31. Actually not marketing. A 1996 law creating regula by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Actually it doesn't have anything to do with using "broadband" as a marketing term. It's from a 1996 law directing the FCC to create regulations "encouraging" ISP to deploy high-speed BROADBAND service to "underserved" areas. Congress meant "make them build infrastructure for HIGH SPEED service in rural areas". Apparently not knowing what "broadband" meant, Congresd required that ISPs build "broadband", which means the medium is shared by frequency (channel) rather than by time, such as TDMA or CMDA.

    Anyway, it's about regulations requiring that ISPs build "broadband" networks, nothing to do with using the term "broadband" in marketing.

    Funny thing many high speed fiber connections don't qualify under the wording of the law - they are baseband, and the law says it has to be broadband.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

  32. Re:Here's the FCC announcement, Ethernet is broadb by narcc · · Score: 1

    Ummm... Nowhere in your link will you find anyone "defining ethernet as broadband".

    Obviously at 100 Mbps, that includes ethernet.

    LOL, Wut? You may want to do a bit of reading. What you've written is completely incoherent.

    I'm still waiting on this: What "scientific truth" are they "redefining", exactly? Or have you finally figured out that that particular claim was absurd nonsense?

  33. Here's a reference for you. 10GBASEâ'LX4 by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Talk about redefining terms. Cite a reference that says broadband is defined that way.

    Here's one easy to read explanation of baseband vs broadband:
    http://www.pearsonitcertificat...

    See also most any physical networking standards document.

    > What if my gig ethernet is optical? Am I now narrowband? How about optical 10Gb?

    Early and simple optical networking standards were baseband (using a single channel or frequency). Faster and more current standards are often broadband (multiple frequencies). There are many optical Ethernet standards. Most are baseband. 10GBASEâ'LX4 is broadband, requiring a frequency division multiplexer.

  34. It's the server, not the broadband by duckintheface · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine any home user being routinely constrained by their ISP's highest broadband download limit. Even if you have only 10 MBPS, that's enough to have 2 Netflix movies playing simultaneously and still surf, talk on a VOIP phone, send/receive email, and play music from Spotify. All at the same time. There just aren't many servers from which you are likely to downloading data that will give you more than 10 MBPS.

    ISP's are marketing speed as if it's the valuable commodity. But we don't really have a killer data consuming app that challenges even moderate ISP speeds. Unless you have a large family of internet junkies, you don't need the speed.

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    1. Re:It's the server, not the broadband by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      4k streaming is a thing these days. Netflix recommends 25Mbps. I imagine the majority of people don't have more than 1 4k TV today (though a significant minority will), but a 4k stream + some HD streams for other TV / browser use + miscellaneous use simultaneously isn't unreasonable. That means 50 is about the right capacity.

    2. Re:It's the server, not the broadband by duckintheface · · Score: 1

      Just old fashioned I guess. I've have 4k when they pry my remote from my cold dead hand.

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      "He took a duck in the face at 250 knots." -- William Gibson, Pattern Recognition
  35. Not on Windstream DSL around here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still have the same 1.5Mbps down, 300Kbps up connection that I have since 2006 when I built my house and that was a good DSL speed, so 50Mbps now would be a dream connection. My kids cannot even watch Youtube and/or Netflix while I work (from home) or else everything comes to a standstill not to mention that most training that I have to complete this year for work is online and in video form so it brings endless buffering and wait time. I always thought it was a joke that your internet connection speed was a limiting factor in education but I suppose the joke is on me because all I get is frustration and anger when I try to watch them and then half the time just give up and plan to come back to it later. Some competition would be nice.