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This Company Has Built a Profile On Every American Adult (bloomberg.com)

Reader schwit1 writes: Every move you make. Every click you take. Every game you play. Every place you stay. They'll be watching you. IDI, a year-old company in the so-called data-fusion business, is the first to centralize and weaponize all that information for its customers. The Boca Raton, Fla., company's database service, idiCORE, combines public records with purchasing, demographic, and behavioral data. Chief Executive Officer Derek Dubner says the system isn't waiting for requests from clients -- it's already built a profile on every American adult, including young people who wouldn't be swept up in conventional databases, which only index transactions. 'We have data on that 21-year-old who's living at home with mom and dad,' he says.

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  1. Good luck by bsharp8256 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good luck finding me in my mom's basement!

    1. Re:Good luck by mulvane · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's either her dead body, of the really feminine sounding boy dressed up and talking like her telling himself about how all the women are whores. 50/50, and most cops are smart enough to realize you aren't the dead mummified boy sitting in the rocking chair.

    2. Re:Good luck by dbialac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      See headline, think to myself, "Hmm, I used to know people in this industry." Continue reading, "The Boca Raton, Fla., company's database..." Oh, shit. That's where I was when I knew them. Please don't be somebody I know. Please don't be somebody I know. "Chief Executive Officer Derek Dubner says". FUUUUCKKKKKK. Oddly, though, I don't know him from this industry but rather from a company in another industry that I worked with him at.

      On a serious note, some insider information. First, yes, they do in fact know that much about you and yes the tools work incredibly well. I worked on the product that became the NSA's PRISM program (after I was no longer working on it). Believe it or not, it actually started out as a marketing tool to find potential leads. After 9/11, the company's owner Hank Asher realized that it would work well for tracking and researching people for the feds. The tool could query incredibly detailed information on anybody in the US with sub-second response times... in the year 2000. No off the shelf tools like hbase existed back then to do something like this.

      About the only way to stay under the radar with this kind of stuff and not be homeless is to have a mailbox at someplace like the UPS Store, get paid under the table and pay cash for everything, and move around every 2 months without any written lease. After that, your new location gets fed into these systems. The time to stay at one place may actually be shorter these days.

  2. Ad Blocker Irony? by Swoopy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ironic. The link to the article begins by complaining about my use of an ad blocker in my browser. So what was newsworthy about that article again? Shameless linking of online behaviour and personality profile? You wonder how they got all that data.

    1. Re:Ad Blocker Irony? by Xenolith0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With noscript, their stupid javascript can't detect the blocking of their malware, and the article is readable.

  3. So is this enough finally? by H3lldr0p · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To get some good privacy laws passed?

    'Cause it really creeps me out that a coupon site is being used to confirm information. And aside from that aspect, which seems to be setup to prey on the poor and less fortunate, that the company

    "...including young people who wouldnâ(TM)t be swept up in conventional databases...".

    That says to me they're going after children under 18 and doing so on purpose.

    Of course they'd not show an example to the reporter. That'd either expose some proprietary info or that they're full of shit. Either way, this thing should be shut down.

  4. Stalking Is Illegal. by zenlessyank · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I put up a chart of someone's activities, they call me a stalker, but if a company does it, it is called smart business. 2 sets of rules. Greed is great. Fuck me moar.

    1. Re:Stalking Is Illegal. by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, this is an insidious loophole I first encountered while playing Everquest. The rules of conduct prohibited targeting an individual for harassment, punishable by banning. Unfortunately, this meant that some asshole who camped at a site (say a dungeon) constantly creating trains which got people killed was OK since he wasn't targeting a specific individual. But anyone trying to stop him from ruining everyone else's gameplay was banned by the GMs for targeting him specifically.

      Likewise, if you're gathering information about a specific individual in RL, it's stalking. But if you're gathering information about everyone, you're just collecting data. What needs to be done is to pass a law which requires such personalized data collection to be anonymized, so that it can't specifically be tied back to an individual, like the Census does. But the advertising industry will never let that happen.

  5. Re:Time for a law change America by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a different idea. I think Congress should pass a law saying such information always remains your property, and that every access of it for the purposes of making profit by any authorized entity must see you paid 50% of the gross revenue generated. Unauthorized access sees you paid 95%. Lack of payment by any company is regarded as theft, and will be prosecuted as a criminal offense.

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  6. Um no by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Um no. They aren't the first. There are many. Acxiom is the biggest and has been doing it for over 50 years. This sounds like someone new looking to get some VC money.

  7. Re:Time for a law change America by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unauthorized access sees you paid 95%.

    Make that 5000% and we can start talking about there being some downsides to tracking (for the tracker).

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  8. sure, this and about a dozen other companies. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Informative
    disclaimer: I am, technically, a marketing drone.
    companies like this are also referred to as brand chasers or culture moguls, or brand identity teams. Every one of them touts the same crap, it just sounds like this one ran out of clients and is trying to court law enforcement that want to skirt the constitution.

    is the first to centralize and weaponize all that information for its customers

    bullshit. quantrics started this crap (technically socci too), then companies like Target, Ralphs, and Best Buy decided to bring it in house and make it proprietary, literally bankrupting them overnight.

    The Boca Raton, Fla., company's database service, idiCORE, combines public records with purchasing, demographic, and behavioral data.

    take a company, base it in boca or delaware, or branson, or somewhere mind-numbing data entry jobs pay nothing, and then spin it as a service that does (surprise) something that every modern corporation has been doing for 30 years. demographic and behavioral are so vague as to mean anything from "we had an elementary school focus group" to "we sit around and pay people to watch BET all day."

    including young people who wouldn't be swept up in conventional databases

    bingo, this is how you know its a bullshit target market research company. the blind spots of the 18-32 demographic are a gold mine businesses have been spending billions on for 25 years or longer. the truth is we really do not know why some of these audiences fail brand permanence, brand awareness, or our consumer confidence and profile metrics other than (gasp) they probably just arent interested in the product. but thats not good enough. middle manager mike needs you to buy the brand, and we need to pretend we have that solution.

    'We have data on that 21-year-old who's living at home with mom and dad,'

    yeah? so does everyone else. hes the fucking loss-leader and you work hard to exclude him from your brand experience. he has no pull with his parents (that ended at 17) and he has a caustic persona that can destroy the brand as any Axe bodyspray marketing team can attest to. You lump him into your 'subculture urban' market and bingo, youve just fucked an entire segment out of a product by appealing to something diametrically opposed to people with limited income. you can sell this guy credit cards and maybe some fast food...and thats about it. he downloads all his music, drives a 20 year old toyota, and plays freemium games on his iphone 4-5 waiting for his cheese to grill.

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  9. Re: Time for a law change America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Within the past few years, some former college football and basketball players sued the NCAA successfully. For over a decade, officially licensed college football and basketball games were produced by EA Sports. The games didn't include player names but the uniform numbers, positions, physical attributes, and player skills, which were clearly derived from the real athletes. No names or actual player photos were used, but the court still decided that everything else constituted an unauthorized use of the likeness of players, who had not licensed that use. Because EA Sports and the NCAA used that information for profit without license from the players, the court decided they were entitled to compensation. If this company is profiting by selling profiles of people they have built without a license from those people, it still seems to be an unauthorized use of a person's likeness. I'm not sure new legislation is required, just for someone to test this idea in court with existing laws.

  10. Ecouragement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good. Keep building those databases. Hoover up as much data as you can. Soon it won't be worth the disk drives you're storing it on.

    I still get plenty of companies trying to sell me an extended warranty on a car I haven't owned in years.
    I still get plenty of companies trying to sell me services for a job I haven't had in more than a decade.

    It's cheap and easy to get data. It's hard and expensive to keep it clean. A few more years of this explosive growth in personal data availability and it will all turn to garbage.

  11. What Stops Us From Suing? ...All of us, I mean? by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't recall signing an authorization for my data to be used this way. Nor did I engage in informed consent with any of the vendors that have disclosed this information to this third party--how about we just figure out who is selling them data and sue a few of them into bankruptcy? It'll scare away other potential sellers and take this predatory organization down.

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  12. Re:cant be every adult by bws111 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, as usual this is just another hyped-up clickbait summary. When you read TFA, you find that what they actually claim to have is:

    All KNOWN addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses (jeez, they know stuff they know)

    Propery bought and sold, including mortgages (public records stuff)
    Vehicles owned (public records)
    Criminal record (public records)
    Voter registration (public records)
    Hunting permits (public records)

    They also claim to have 'biilions of photographs from private companies with license plate scanners'. Kind of doubtful, companies don't give that info away for free, and why would they buy it if they don't need it.

    Oh, and the 'every purchase' bullshit? Well, they own a couple of coupon companies, and IF you sign up for their coupons they ask for stuff like email and birthday, and IF you use those coupons when you buy something they know what you bought. No shit.

  13. And you worry about Big Bad Government by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Big Bad Government won't prevent you from going to the school of your choice.
    Or buying a first home
    Or getting a car loan
    or asking for a raise
    But these people will, if there is enough profit in offering a dataset that maximizes someone else's profit at your expense.