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Google: Unwanted Software Is Worse Than Malware (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via The Stack: A year-long study between Google and New York University has determined that unwanted software unwittingly downloaded as part of a bundle is a larger problem for users than malware. Google Safe Browsing currently generates three times as many Unwanted Software (UwS) warnings than malware warnings -- over 60 million per week. Types of unwanted software fall into five categories: ad injectors, browser settings hijackers, system utilities, anti-virus, and major brands. While estimates of UwS installs are still emerging, studies suggest that ad injection affects 5% of browsers, and that deceptive extensions in the Chrome Web store affect over 50 million users. 59% of the bundles studied were flagged by at least one anti-virus engine as potentially unwanted.

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  1. Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Google truly believed this, they would use the licensing of Google Mobile Services to force manufacturers of Android devices and carriers to stop loading up the devices with unwanted software. As long as Google keeps tolerating the bloatware, they are hypocrites. This "do as I say, not as I do" attitude of Google is quite common and is a massive departure from not being evil.

    1. Re:Hypocrisy by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Google truly believed it, they wouldn't pay people to bundle Chrome (or their toolbar, or their search engine preference, etc.) into installers for shit.

    2. Re:Hypocrisy by lgw · · Score: 2

      If Google truly believed this, I could update Flash without the risk of unwanted Google software if I forget to uncheck some boxes. Heck, Google might be a lot more serious about getting Flash off the web if they weren't using it as a (worse-than) malware vector!

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    3. Re:Hypocrisy by taustin · · Score: 2

      Given how many other things that Chrome comes bundled with, usually with "make default browser" pre-checked, what do you expect?

    4. Re: Hypocrisy by rsborg · · Score: 2

      "Windows mobile is dead." Well, I hope not. A year or so ago, I ditched my old Android phone for a Nokia with Windows8, and I much prefer Windows to Android. Many reasons, but one of them is exactly apps that you're told you shouldn't remove from Android, lest it go belly-up. I've had no such problem on my Windows phone.

      You get the opposite problem - very few worthwhile apps, or native experiences.

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    5. Re: Hypocrisy by Mondor · · Score: 2

      Watch Windows Phone losing more apps from 1st of October this year. Since many, if not most, developers have abandoned the sinking ship (because, you know, good developers are writing software for money, and there's no money in WM), Microsoft added some policies for app certification to make the market alive. However, not everyone cares about that and failure to re-certify the app till the end of September will un-publish these apps.

      And, indeed, there is enough bloatware in Windows Phone too, both Nokia (RIP) and HTC. Well, especially HTC.

    6. Re: Hypocrisy by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

      For what it's worth, I read a clickbait article that says iOS 10.0 will let you delete built-in apps you don't care about.
      Minimum hardware specs are the iPhone 5 and iPad 4 though.

      I still thinks it's a bit "evil" (lack of freedom and all) but I grew a bit sympathetic to the iPhone users, which include many students and proletarian.

    7. Re:Hypocrisy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Chrome doesn't bundle any other software. Proof: go try the official download right now. Not the dodgy Softpedia one, this one.

      The only third party component it includes is Flash player, which is built in to the browser and updated along with it. It doesn't install Flash on your system or in other browsers, it's just an internal plug-in.

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  2. Just Like by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah like come bundled on every Android device and oh BTW which rely on Google location tracking, snooping and other APIs.
    Facebook et al. shouldn't take rooting to get rid of them, stop the bloat abuse.

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  3. Re:Captain Obvious?!? by tomhath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That depends on what the meaning if "is" is. Any software I don't want that wastes my time by displaying ads or using machine cycles is malware.

  4. Windows 10 Unwanted Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Google and New York University has determined that unwanted software unwittingly downloaded as part of a bundle is a larger problem for users than malware"

    I figured that out when I had the Windows 10 update go in with Cortana and all the other "Apps" that I didn't want.

  5. take a hint google. by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps then google you will take note of your own study and stop bundling shit in with lots of other product installs that nobody wants. hint if I wanted your fucking browser I would have gone and installed it.

  6. Wait, what? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Types of unwanted software fall into five categories: ad injectors, browser settings hijackers, system utilities, anti-virus, and major brands."

    How are the first two items not classified as malware? Perhaps the real problem is you're too close to the source, Google.

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by swillden · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Types of unwanted software fall into five categories: ad injectors, browser settings hijackers, system utilities, anti-virus, and major brands."

      How are the first two items not classified as malware?

      They're not classified as malware because maintaining clear and firm definitions is a good thing. Malware is software that actively tries to harm the user (steal from them, hold their data for ransom, etc., take over their machine for arbitrary future badness, etc.). Showing ads or directing the user to a different -- but still effective -- search engine, etc., are bad, but they're a lesser form of badness, and it makes sense to me to give them a different name.

      But, maybe I'm just pedantic. Well, no maybe about it. I also dislike it when people mix up trojans, viruses and worms. They're different things and have distinct names for a reason, damnit!

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    2. Re:Wait, what? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      That's because, from Google's perspective, you have to read that line: "money injectors, money generating hijackers, system utilities, anti-virus, and major brands."

      You can understand how they'd have trouble seeing those first two items as a bad thing.

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  7. It depends how you define "worse" by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Do you define worse as being simply larger in scale, and affecting more people in undesired ways? Or do you define worse as being a larger headache for those who must deal with it?

    If the former, I'd agree. Unwanted software certainly affects more people, but if the latter, I'd have to dissent, and suggest that accidentally having malware get into your system is going to pose a much bigger problem for the end user than unwanted software is ever likely to represent.

  8. Re:It took a year to figure this out? by diamondmagic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It took a study to figure out the magnitude of the problem.

    The number being 20% or 80% could mean the difference between spending a thousand or a million dollars on the problem.

  9. Re:Games, too. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Steam forced you to install those games, they ran by default and you could neither uninstall them nor keep them from restarting when you kicked them out of RAM?

    That's harsh.

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  10. What, like Chrome? by Reziac · · Score: 2

    Because about a month ago, Chrome installed a new version of itself without asking, without permission, and the first hint I had (since I don't use the nasty thing unless I have to) was a new icon on my desktop. (Didn't even put it in a sane location. It's somewhere down in User Application Data.)

    Apparently if you have Google Talk installed, this is what Google does behind your back.

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