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Immigration Attorneys: Industry Pushes Foreign Labor, Claiming 'US Students Can't Hack It In Tech' (breitbart.com)
geek writes: According to Caroline May from Breitbart News, "The tech industry is seeking to bolster its argument for more white-collar foreign tech workers with the insulting claim that the education system is insufficiently preparing Americans for tech fields, according to pro-American worker attorneys with the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI). [In an op-ed published at The Daily Caller, IRLI attorneys John Miano and Ian Smith take the tech industry to task for its strategy to promote the H-1B visa program -- alleging a labor shortage of apt American tech workers while importing thousands of foreign workers on H1-B visas from countries with lower educational results than the U.S.]" John Miano and Ian Smith write via The Daily Caller: "But if the H-1B program really is meant to correct the failings of our education system, as BigTech's new messaging-push implies, why is it importing so many people from India? According to results from the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), a global standardized math and science assessment sponsored by the OECD, India scored almost dead last among the 74 countries tested. The results were apparently so embarrassing, the country pulled out of the program all together. Not surprisingly then, there isn't a single Indian university that appears within the top 250 spots of the World University Rankings Survey. And unlike American bachelor's degrees, obtaining a bachelor's in India takes only three years of study."
With a mark up to 20 bucks an hour to their American customers. Or work for 60,000 as a Software Dev filling a Principle Dev role with commensurate experience.
i am so very tired....
$150,000 minimum wage for H1(b) people and the issue will take care of itself overnight.
And do it all in a city where an apartment is $5K a month, so 8 of these guys share 1 bedroom/bathroom and always stink to high heaven
Why were you in such a hurry to join to slave-force? You have literally the rest of your life to sit in a cloth-covered box and regret past decisions: college is a chance to actually have a life while you're still young and stupid enough to enjoy it. Better to take the time and make some memories.
People act like having an Android instead of an iPhone makes them some tech god, or even someone installing a mainstream Linux OS that realistically runs about the same as any modern GUI OS. People nowadays use toys, and because they're electronic and modern and have quad processors, they seem to think that translates to a computer science literate generation of society, and that just isn't the case.
I would be interested how you would determine that. At the undergraduate level there are lots of Asians at UCB, but most were born in the USA -- their parents are 1st generation immigrants.
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WE need unions
No. The last thing we need is unions. The last thing I want is some group of people stealing my wages to promote their own agenda, sanctioned by the government.
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I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
The American war on unions has been one of the most successful propaganda campaigns that most of alive at this time have ever seen. It amazes me that people have been convinced to act against both their own, and the nation's, best interest in order to increase profits for so few.
We are only now seeing the results of continual decreases in aggregate spending power that is the result of the failure of the workers to organize both for themselves, and for the greater good. Instead organizing has become a historical footnote as we descend into a vicious circle brought about by lower aggregate spending as a direct result of decreased worker power.
has been one of the most successful propaganda campaigns
The unions do most of the advertising all by themselves. At some point in history, they went from being the victims to the bullies, and they lost popular support. Even without the violence, anyone who has had to work with a union finds the process maddening. When you read about the sickening attitude of both management and labor in the 80s within the auto industry, it makes you wonder how we stayed on top as long as we did. Unions have become just another bureaucracy that people have to deal with. We really need to reduce the influence of both corporations and unions on government (a la Citizen's United).
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Unions were the lubricant that helped accellerate all the outsourcing. Unions convince the best employees (whose performance is good enough to justify their employment) to band togethter with bad employees (who outnumber them and who lack the performance to negotiate good deals for themselves) to threaten employers with mob actions (strikes only have power because of implied threats of violence against the employer, customers, and replacement workers) in order to protect the laziest and most incompetent workers. The result is horrible inefficiencies, the inability to reward the best workers, the inability to get rid of the worst workers, and the resulting willingness of management to dealwith all the headaches of outsourcing just to be rid of the union bosses.
Detroit is the poster boy for Unions. Great job there, union bosses!
There may well be some very good reasons to try to form some sort of professional organization, but the union model is horrendous and guarantees that any related work will go to places like India. In the digital world, unionized workers can be replaced far more easily than the auto workers and shipyard workers and steel workers ever were. Digital work can be done ANYWHERE.
If you care about the H1-B issue, STOP VOTING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PROMOTE H1-B ABUSE! You just have to decide what's more important to you: givernment approval for homoerotic activity, or H1-Bs and your job. Hell, this year it's not even that harsh: Trump's not even a social conservative who might threaten to disapprove of rectal play. The only reason the cultural issues are ever an impediment to such votes is that BOTH parties use these issues to get their base voters to vote the way their Wall Street bosses want. Democrats tell their base: "vote for me, even though I'll screw you on H1-B visas, otherwise the Republican will mess with your sexlife". Republicans tell their base: "vote for me, even though I'll screw you on H1-B visas, otherwise the Democrat will push their sex junk on your kids in school". Wall Street wins both ways. By design.
Makes perfect sense to me. How's that working out for you in the long run?
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I always like it when liberals who want to defend their corrupt union bosses use reasoned, articulate arguments like yours to refute, step by step, each issue raised.
Oh, wait, you didn't do that. You can't bring yourself to try to explain away reality, so you're just using lazy ad hominem in order to deflect. The left: always home to shrill whiners who are scared of forming and expressing their own thoughts. Nope! "What you said makes me feel uncomfortable with the premises on which I've based my entire world view, so I will call you a fucking brainwashed retard to show you how much more intelligent I am and to avoid having to confront the contradictions in my own thinking." Thanks for being such a typical example, and putting it on display.
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Unions raise wages at first. The dark side that they don't tell you about is that this causes the companies to try to find other ways to cut costs, and eventually leads to the jobs moving overseas.
Unions are not the answer. Unions are a hack workaround for a failed government that isn't raising the minimum wage fast enough to keep up with inflation, that isn't protecting workers from what should be illegal cuts to employee pensions, that isn't protecting worker safety enough, that isn't doing enough to protect workers from wrongful termination, and so on. Everything a union does is something that our government is supposed to be doing, but has failed to do.
And because they aren't the government, unions don't have the power to punish companies that decide to move the entire labor force overseas. A union's power exists only up to the point at which the company decides that they no longer need U.S. labor. After that, the union has no power whatsoever. Thus, unions will always be poor substitutes for proper government oversight and regulation of businesses, at least as long as we live in a global economy.
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Unions work to counter-balance the power wielded by bosses and capitalists. Unions counter-balance the corporate greed of capitalists, who DGAF if they drive the company intro the ground, at the expense of employees and customers, as long as they get rich in the process. Has either the power imbalance or corporate greed disappeared?
No. Which makes you as much of a tool as someone who claims the little people don't need to vote in elections anymore, because politicians are no longer corrupt.
uh, what personal time do you have if you're putting in 60-80 hours a week? idiot
Americans are so ridiculous when it comes to work culture. they have no joy, no pride, no self esteem, no passion. It's just work work work for them.
Germans are very hard working people too, but they get lots of benefits such as a good health care system, subsidized education so they are not drowning in debt, mandatory vacation, overtime pay, and so on. Americans on the other hand are so stupid, they think giving companies FREE LABOR is an honor. What a bunch of fucking morons.
I have to laugh myself silly when people object to unions.
Have you ever been in an effective union? Most haven't been in a union at all, but spout nonsense "everybody knows". Or they pick outstanding bad actors and paint all unions the same.
Some very few have been in bad unions. Those do stink.
No, the gripe people have with unions is propaganda generally spewed by those that would least benefit from good unions; bad employers that don't want to pay a fair wage. Before you fire off that hot reply full of indignation, ask yourself if you'd like it if you couldn't be fired because a H1B visa worker costs less, or because your boss is a clueless skylark, or because your employer can cut costs and increase profits by working you like a dog by cutting your team by 1/3 and doubling your workload.
Is fifty buck a month is starting to sound like a better deal now?
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Please stop shilling for billionaires.
The United States has a higher GDP per-capita than it did during the time the boomers came up. There is *plenty* of wealth to go around. What has changed is the distribution of that wealth.
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That's pedantically true, but the panicked rapidity with which companies try to cut labor costs is directly proportional to the difference between what that company is paying for labor and what its competition is paying for labor. That's why so many small retail businesses support minimum wage hikes on a state and/or national level. It makes it easier for them to pay their workers a decent salary because they know their competition will have to do the same.
That's absurd because the reason for choosing politicians has nothing to do with corruption. Your ad hominem doesn't actually rebut my point. If anything, it's more like saying that people don't need the right to vote, because politicians are so universally corrupt that it won't do any good....
No, they actually don't. You're still as expendable as toilet paper with a union. You obviously missed the part where unions have absolutely no power once the company decides to offshore everyone. What, you think the executives are going to walk out in solidarity? When the plant closes, and nobody has a job. It doesn't matter if the workers all go on strike, because the company doesn't need them anymore anyway. And that Chinese (statistically) factory that takes over production won't be a union shop.
And the people who should be regulating those Chinese factories to ensure that workers are paid reasonably, are not forced to work unreasonable hours, etc. are the Chinese government. They (along with the governments of many other countries) have not done so to nearly the degree that we in the U.S. would prefer, which is a big part of why we have such problems with offshoring in the first place. And the U.S. government hasn't done enough to prevent Chinese companies from dumping goods into American markets made by workers in such conditions. These are all things that only government can fix, and that unions are completely powerless to defend against. And unless government is willing to enact those regulations and enforce them, the unions don't make a bit of difference except in the very short term. And if government did enact adequate regulations, then the union wouldn't be needed.
But please, educate me about how a union is going to prevent offshoring—how a union has even the slightest bit of power to do so. Better yet, educate all the folks from my hometown who lost their jobs when two of the largest union shops shifted manufacturing to other countries. Ask them whether that 20% was worth having to get by on unemployment until it ran out....
Of course there are greedy corporate executives looking to abuse their employees. I never even remotely implied otherwise. What I said was that unions have no real power to stop it, because when push comes to shove, they don't have the legal authority to tax the bajeezus out of those companies' imports to punish them when they shift most or all the jobs to another country.
In my experience, union shops generally turn into train wrecks—union grievances for daring to touch the wrong piece of equipment (even if you weren't forced to do so by management), corruption in the union leadership (to the
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Unions do all kinds of wonderful things.
They make it incredibly difficult to fire under performing workers, for example. That lazy guy who never finishes anything on time? Yeah, can't fire him. Can't even discipline him.
Unions take your dues - which will not be small - and will use them to prop up politicians. Politicians that you may not like.
Unions may raise your wages, sure, but that will also raise the cost of your company doing business. That means your company will need to charge more, meaning more work for the non-union shops because they're less expensive.
Unions will make sure that you are promoted based on years of experience, not skill or knowledge. So that moron who doesn't know the difference between an integer and a float, but has been here 20 years? He's getting paid more than you and always will.
Speaking of, are you particularly valuable as an employee? That's nice. You may be super smart, very talented, incredibly fast at what you do, but too bad. You're getting union scale pay.
No, we don't need unions. Is your company crappy? Leave. Find a job somewhere else. That company will have to learn to treat their workers better or they'll be stuck with a perpetual revolving door, with no work getting done.
It worked at my company. We weren't being treated well. A ton of people quit. Company wised up, started treated existing employees better, increased pay and benefits. No union needed - just a free market.
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Funny you should mention the auto industry. Japan's is heavily unionised, and they are making the most popular cars in America, and they didn't need massive bail-outs during the last financial crisis.
Unions clearly ruined them.
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This is such a wasteful attitude.
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They want you to believe illogical bullshit. So the claim is that education in the US can not prepare students to become employees in tech industries, that already exist and we built using students trained in that US education system, that was (the one disparaged and being torn apart to create for profit charter schools). Can no one see the illogical bullshit, if the claim was in any way or shape or form true, the would be no fucking tech industries looking to employee those improperly educated students but as those industries exist and are pretty much fully staffed with educated students, then the claim must logically be bullshit.
Basically they are loosing the lie, what they are saying is they do not want to pay one cent to train people, the want the government to do if for them for free (absolutely for free as they keep their money in offshore tax havens and do not want to pay one cent for taxes to pay for that education) and even when the government pays for all that training those corporations want to pay those trained people less, much less.
Before the psychopaths took over, corporations trained people, tried to employ them for life and continued to train them, corporations were loyal to their staff and staff were loyal to their corporations. Now the psychopaths have turned it all on it's head, loyalty to no one or nothing, lying, cheating and stealing is acceptable as you get away with it or when you get caught the penalty is lessor than the benefit and the investors, well, their assets are there to be strip mined, at the first opportunity, taking into account the rules about net getting caught or the penalty being much less than the crime.
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Fuckin bullshit. That's what the masters want you to believe. They want you to work all those hours because it makes the careerist managers look better. Dont be so fuckin naive
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