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Suicide Squad Fan Suing Studio For 'False Advertising' Over Lack of Joker Scenes (independent.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via The Independent: Reddit user BlackPanther2016 has threatened to begin legal action against Warner Bros and DC Comics later this week, claiming that teasing Joker scenes in trailers that did not make the final film amounts to "unjust false advertising." The disgruntled superhero fan argued in a post on Movies subreddit that he should receive a refund after driving 300 miles to London to watch "specific scenes explicitly advertised in TV ads" only to leave feeling ripped off. He says he will file a lawsuit on August 11, with his "lawyer" brother leading the case. Part of his litigious post reads: "Suicide Squad trailers showcased several specific Joker scenes that I had to pay for the whole movie just so that I can go watch those specific scenes that Warner Bros/DC Comics had advertised in their trailers and TV spots. These scenes are: when Joker banged his head on his car window, when Joker says 'Let me show you my toys,' when Joker punches the roof of his car, when Joker drops a bomb with his face all messed up and says, 'Bye bye!' None of these scenes were in the movie." Last week, Suicide Squad fans petitioned to shut down rotten tomatoes over negative reviews.

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  1. Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by MadCow42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Half of me wants to say "grow the fuck up, you whiny little turd"... but the other half agrees that it's false advertising if those scenes were used to lure in audiences then not included in the film. If they're in the ad, then presumably they're some of the best / most enticing scenes... and to not include them seems like a bait and switch.

    So, go get 'em, you whiny little turd. :)

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    1. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by sakono · · Score: 4, Informative

      almost all trailers show footage or music that end up getting cut from the final film for various reasons. Kung fu hustle did it with Ball room blitz playing the the trailer for a fight scene but never in the movie. made the fight scene less awesome for me. Though I doubt any lawsuit would make it very far.

    2. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by MadCow42 · · Score: 2

      I don't know why I think there's a difference between visuals and sound track, but it just doesn't seem as "bait-and-switchy" to use different music in the promo than in the film. Maybe its because they use music with all forms of advertising, and I don't expect the music to come with the product. (When I buy a new car, I don't expect the music soundtrack from the commercial to be playing on the radio all the time, etc.). But if they show me that the car has airbags in the commercial, they'd better damn well come with the car. :)

      To musicians maybe that's a double standard... I know.

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    3. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by scamper_22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same feeling for me.

      Our laws are only enforced if people take actions. Otherwise, the slope keeps getting slipperier.

      There could be legit reasons for it. Maybe those joker scenes were in the movie, but were edited out. However if the deleted scenes are a key draw, it could still be valid depending on the case.

      Who knows, they might find a smoking gun email where some exec says 'Just keep the Joker scenes in even if we cut them. Those stupid nerds will pay for anything'

    4. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is a good thing, fake trailers that badly mis-represent the film should be strongly discouraged. The scenes were in the trailer and not even in the movie.

      However, this guy is a twat. He's doing it wrong. In the UK you don't file a "lawsuit" over it. He needs to do the following:

      1. Request a refund from the studio, including travel costs.
      2. When they refuse, file a claim with Small Claims Court. You don't need a lawyer but it sounds like he needs one. A real one.
      3. Eventually win back your £10 cinema ticket, travel costs and court fees. Total is likely to be less than £100, unless he went by train in which case maybe £200.

      We don't have punitive damages and it's unlikely he would get much for "mental anguish" etc.

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    5. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dunno; when you consider that most dating sites show nothing but fairly attractive people frequenting such sites, but reality dictates that the majority of humanity is uglier than a moldy sack of rusty hammers...

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    6. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by Calydor · · Score: 2

      This wasn't a movie about the Joker, it was a movie in which there was (supposed to be) scenes including the Joker.

      In the same vein, dating sites aren't exclusively filled with beautiful people, but there are beautiful people on the dating sites. Allegedly. .

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    7. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by tnyquist83 · · Score: 2

      It makes sense to use different music. Many adds use a single song for the entire ad while showing clips from the entire movie. A fight scene may be edited heavily for inclusion in an add, to the point where the original soundtrack may not match up properly.

      To use the most recent Star Wars as an example, they played the familiar theme song through large portions of some ads. I can reasonably expect that this song will not be playing through the entire movie. What this person alleges they did with Suicide Squad would be the equivalent of cutting scenes of Kylo Ren and his triple-ended light saber, despite using that image heavily in the promotional material.

    8. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

      reality dictates that the majority of humanity is uglier than a moldy sack of rusty hammers...

      Maybe you should try traveling outside UK

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    9. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The article implies something close to step 1 was already tried: "I told the theatre about this unjust act and said ‘I didn’t get what I came here to see, can I have my money back?’ They laughed at me and kicked me out. So I’m now taking this to court." Hence your step 2.

    10. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by Khyber · · Score: 5, Informative

      "He needs to do the following:"

      No, you need to read the fucking article and realize that's ALREADY what's happening.

      And to boot, he's calling them into court to answer for violating These simple fucking advertising rules.

      It's really sad that I seem to know your own country, and laws, better than you do. Maybe that's because I've done actual business there.

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    11. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by TroII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      almost all trailers show footage or music that end up getting cut from the final film for various reasons.

      That doesn't excuse this movie, it just means the rest of them ought to be sued, too. If you run a TV commercial for a buffet restaurant and it shows a big pile of crab legs, but your buffet doesn't actually sell crab legs, you should rightly expect some legal trouble. Why is a movie any different?

    12. Re:Whiny Fanboy... but he has a point by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I worry far more about the costs of an excessively litigious society than the alleged trauma of a first-world man-child over not seeing specific a few expected scenes in a movie.

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  2. This is now normal for movies by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've lost count of how many "comedy" movies I've see where the movie didn't match up to the trailer. Specifically, I'm thinking of the movies where there are about 1-2 minutes of gut-busting scenes in the trailer, then you watch the movie only to find out that those 1-2 minutes were all the worthwhile comedy content in the whole movie. I've seen much the same with other movie genres. It is very disappointing.

    The way Hollywood cranks out movies now it is little better than an assembly-line. Worse, perhaps, because a decent assembly-line generally produces good quality products. It is one of the reasons there is rarely more than one movie a year that makes me want to actually go to the theater.

    1. Re:This is now normal for movies by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The worst case of all might be Sucker Punch. The trailer not only bears no relation to the film, it shows the film as an entirely different genre. See the trailer for what looks like an action-packed somewhat-strange film with many fight scenes and stunts, instead end up with a drama-fantasy about a woman's internal struggle to process abuse. The trailer scenes are in there, but they are only allegorical representations that bear no relation to the actual plot.

      The title is rather appropriate.

  3. "Threatened" by robogoofers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How it this news? A 12 year old says something stupid on reddit and it ends up on the front page of Sladhdot?

    1. Re:"Threatened" by geek · · Score: 2

      It would seem a lot of people agree to some extent which is why it's gained steam in the media in general. Not sure a 12 year old can actually file a lawsuit, parents might have to do it for him/her.

  4. weird by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    What a weird bunch of fans. I don't understand them at all. Where did they come from?

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  5. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The disclaimer was actually there. It was shown in infrared, but it's clearly readable with night vision goggles.

  6. This is the most blatant case of false advertising by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the most blatant case of false advertising since my suit against the movie The Neverending Story. Ask for a trail by jury

  7. Twister 1996 by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first time I saw this bait-and-switch technique was with Twister in 1996. Advertising showed a scene filmed from a first person point of view across a big empty field with a tornado in the distance. Stuff was flying everywhere and far in the distance a large piece of construction equipment is pulled apart and then a huge tire comes flying at the camera. I thought that scene looked really cool, this was fairly early in the days of wow-factor CG special effects. After watching the movie in the theatre I realized that the scene was not in it.

    It always irked me and I always thought it was a bit of bait-and-switch, and I'm glad that someone is trying to hold the studios accountable.

    By the way I can't believe that back in 1996 my time was so invaluable to me that I would spend it going to a movie theatre to watch a movie like Twister. In the years since I've been incredibly much more selective. I never watch any of the brain dead CG fest superhero movies, or really any movie whose sole attraction is how much pointless eye candy they can put on the screen in each scene.

    1. Re:Twister 1996 by Calydor · · Score: 2

      The Edit button is never coming because it would allow people to change their posts after people have replied to them. Without a means to edit you know the post looks the way it did when it was originally submitted.

      This is what PREVIEW is for, check your stuff for typoes before actually submitting.

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    2. Re:Twister 1996 by EmeraldBot · · Score: 2

      I understand that logic.

      But what's wrong with allowing edit until someone replies? Or even allow edit up until someone begins to compose a reply. And then, if the original author is editing, and the person wanting to reply clicks reply, they get a helpful message saying "author is editing, reply not allowed until editing is complete/times out". I know it's a hassle to enumerate the possible combinations, but it wouldn't be too much AJAX to make it work.

      However, making it work nicely with those using static HTML (who I support 100% BTW) is much trickier. For those users it becomes a bit more tedious. Their reply goes up to the server, but if an edit occurred before their reply was received, the reply content gets bounced back to the user and they are given a chance to edit it in context with the new post content. That way they can decide if their reply is still relevant. There is one more combination that would be robust, but may piss some users off as their new post/or edit (depending on how you want to slice it) would be bounced.

      Anyway, I normally get paid quite well to work this stuff out for my clients. Slashdot certainly isn't paying me enough to write any more than this...

      This system also adds a bunch of complexity, runs a lot of scripts that need to be maintained, potentially introduces a vector for security bugs, slows down comment writing by potentially a significant amount, and breaks the page for people who disable advanced JavaScript. Furthermore, if your comment is valuable, it will usually get a reply pretty quickly, rendering the whole system mute. It sounds weird, but there's a reason why there isn't one after all these years, and it's not because the idea wasn't considered.

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  8. The other category of trailer lies by DrYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The current "suit" is for the other kind of trailer lies.

    I'm thinking of the movies where there are about 1-2 minutes of gut-busting scenes in the trailer, then you watch the movie only to find out that those 1-2 minutes were all the worthwhile comedy content in the whole movie.

    In this case, you whatch the movie and don't even see those 1-2 minutes from the trailer that were worthwhile.
    Because, by the time the executives are done meddling with the movie, those scenes didn't even make it to the final cut that was released in theater.

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  9. Boy will he be surprised by his Russian bride by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Seriously, though. It's not like the movie was called Joker and Friends.

    You can see those cuts in the Director's Gold Cut edition of Suicide Squad when it's released, only $250.

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  10. Re:What's with all these comic book movies? by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Funny

    right on, they should be watching action and romance anime, and reading manga/LN, the immature little boys!

  11. He did see the scenes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He saw the scenes in the trailer for free. Case closed.

    1. Re: He did see the scenes by hackwrench · · Score: 2

      The question everybody here seems to be assuming the answer to is "yes", is "Were the scenes in the movie similar enough to the scenes in the trailer for the trailer to not be false advertising?" This is one of my grudges with copyright: It encourages people not familliar with the source material to get involved thus resulting in a less satisfactory product for the actual fanbase.

  12. He HAD to drive 300 miles to London? by DrXym · · Score: 2
    He wasted an entire day and £160 to drive all the way from Scotland to London to watch a movie...

    Sane people would simply visit their local cinema where the exact same movie got released on the exact same day as everywhere else in the UK. Rational people would wait for some critical consensus to form to justify their decision to visit rather than basing their expectations on studio hype and bullshit.

    So I must surmise he is completely fucking stupid or a troll.

  13. Re:This is the most blatant case of false advertis by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is the most blatant case of false advertising since my suit against the movie The Neverending Story. Ask for a trail by jury

    A jury - of his peers? ... from Reddit ... dear God.

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  14. Re:Oh get over yourself you absurd man-child by whargoul · · Score: 4, Funny

    Careful. That may be one of the things he enjoys.

  15. Re:Refund him the ticket price by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Funny

    The actual mystery is why drove 300 miles not kilometres.

    Because Brits aren't nearly as metric as they sometimes claim to be. For instance, they buy fuel in litres but they use MPG for fuel efficiency. And then there is that weird thing where they measure their own weight in relation to big rocks.

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  16. File briefs at getalife.org by JThaddeus · · Score: 2

    Seriously.

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  17. Re:Pot calling kettle. Come in kettle! by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    Frankly the studios SHOULD be sued for false advertising because increasingly what you see in the trailer isn't even in the film, so how can you say its anything but false advertising when you sell a product based on content it doesn't actually have?

    Remember Fan4stic with those cool scenes of The Thing jumping out a plane and kicking ass? Not in the movie. Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, they tried to sell the movies with action scenes that simply did not exist in the final cut.

    To use a /. car analogy if I sold you on this new car by showing you pics of this tricked out chromed up engine, only for you to get it home and find I swapped it out with a used nasty looking 4 banger you'd be pissed, wouldn't you? Well I don't see how this is any different, as for nearly a century a trailer is the "best of" reel to get people excited for a film but now increasingly its nothing but bullshit that doesn't even exist in the movie.

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  18. BlackPanther2016 by cstacy · · Score: 2

    Jared, is that you?

  19. Re:Refund him the ticket price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But at least they don't measure their own weight in relation to another nation's currency.