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Popular Sex Toy Caught Sending Intimate Data To Manufacturer (fusion.net)

In a world where thermostats, and smart locks can be hacked, and companies covertly record information, why should sex toys remain unaffected. Fusion is reporting that the We-Vibe 4 Plus, a popular vibrator sends a range of intimate data to its manufacturer. The sex toy uses a smartphone app, which lets a use control the vibration among other things. From the report: When the device is in use, the We-Vibe 4 Plus uses its internet connectivity to regularly send information back to its manufacturer, Standard Innovations Corporation. It sends the device's temperature every minute, and lets the manufacturer know each time a user changes the device's vibration level. The company could easily figure out some seriously intimate personal information like when you get off, how long it takes, and with what combinations of vibes. This was revealed on Friday at hacker conference Defcon in Las Vegas by two security researchers, who wish to be called only by their handles @gOldfisk and @rancidbacon. The two examined the app's code and the information being sent by the device over Bluetooth. In a statement sent by email, Standard Innovation Corporation's president Frank Ferrari confirmed that the company collects this information. [...]

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  1. This already happens by Major+Blud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " seriously intimate personal information like when you get off, how long it take"

    Most Slashdotters already have information like this collected by their ISP ;-)

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    1. Re:This already happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      information like this

      Having a list of the pr0n sites you dorks browse is nothing like a time graph of a woman's intimate alone time.

      Data is not just data. There is a difference between storing someones email address and storing their private sex tapes. At some point you have to stop putting easy blame on the users and start seriously asking the companies storing this: what the fuck made you think it was OK to store that.

      If you were a company selling sex toys to women (inb4 SJW/MRA bullshit), what the fuck are you doing storing this shit. And I know why btw. Because some autistic nerd in development, or beady eyed marketer, mouth breathed that they needed "research dnata" and that they just could. You gave the keys to your companies reputation with its customers so some socially maladjusted coder or psychopathic MBA and they crashed in on a data bender through the information superhighway.

      Dear companies. STOP. STORING. DATA. You don't need all this shit.

    2. Re:This already happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, maybe if they saw a common enough trend in the speed/intensity vibrations, they could make some automatic programs that could be run so that women could go through the cycle without having to make manual adjustments, just sit back and enjoy it?

    3. Re:This already happens by HumanWiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, if you think something like:

      [0:00 to 0:34] Level 1, Speed 4
      [0:34 to 1:17] Level 2, Speed 6
      [1:17 to 2:01] Level 4, Speed 2
      [2:01 to 3:45] Level 6, Speed 7

      ..is hot, then you're an idiot.

      Actually, it's you that is the idiot.

      Take a pornographic image of any kind and strip it down to the data layer (that means open it in a text editor of choice) and look at all that garbage text.

      If you think that "s(:Ú÷Sòoè/$QÓ4dr£'XåÒúZúsUjÏpáåìa±‘2à¥n úÜê–¦G÷ájç4Íï`Ý^în&ä\ð}.Fú?x¥P. øòzóæ|w;¥Jt/6VÑTUýõ$mHôÿ ]}uóæ|/3àj½óTá`ümØ{*.?@8ÕG3àiå{üæò(#ÿ ñãWQÄÀ—€|åyð£ÎWÀü+‘\]r{25½öBÆaúvç+Ìø'3à~EX©5—ßÝ(ÊÆÛ]" is hot, then you're an idiot...

      It's not the data in the raw that's the issue, but what the data in the raw represents.

  2. "more transparency for our customers." by sehlat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which way is the transparency?

    To the customer, by making it plain Big Brother is watching their orgasms?

    To the company, as in "OK. Delilah in Kansas City likes Echo Mode at 5.7Hz. Why don't we start offering pre-customized models which have all the user's preferences pre-programmed? For a fee, of course."

  3. You joke but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can get over the fact it's about sex, it's actually a pretty good collection of metrics to collect when you're looking to get the best performance out of your product.

    They'll take that data and use it to improve future products to better get you off /with science/

    Also could provide pretty good data for legit scientific study - It can be hard to get funding to study taboo subjects.

    Of course, this all needs to be clearly stated in a privacy policy and data should be anonymized.. That's the real fuck-up here.

    1. Re:You joke but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to dismiss the "rape culture" allegations, but clearly a lot of people seem to not understand the concept of consent.

    2. Re:You joke but.. by Bruinwar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never joke about marketing. Anonymized data will somehow become non-anonymized once they see money being left on the table.

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  4. Re:Marketing is a four-letter word by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is nothing sacred anymore?

    In a word, "no".

    I'm the customer, not the product.

    In this case, you're both.

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  5. Not understanding the issue by Morgon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, so they capture completely non-personally-identifiable information... so?

    They log how often the user changes vibration settings. This seems like clear product improvement data. Remove lesser-used settings and utilize the information on how frequently the settings are changed to create an auto-program that mimics that alternation.
    They capture the temperature. This seems like possible safety data, if nothing else.

    If it activated the microphone to record the ambient "noise", you'd have a clear case of 'catching' someone sending data. Does it send the phone's device ID? I didn't see it in the summary. So I'm genuinely not seeing what's inherently wrong with wanting to understand how products are used and could improve, especially in the burgeoning sexual-health industry.

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    1. Re:Not understanding the issue by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real problem with your philosophy is that so much of that information is secretly personably identifiable.

      It is like the extra data a browser gives - things like versions, addons, etc. There is enough variability that you can determine the exact person.

      It may not be good enough in a court of law, but it is good enough for a private investigator.

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    2. Re:Not understanding the issue by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does it send the phone's device ID? I didn't see it in the summary.

      The article also doesn't even mention the topic of personally identifiable information. That fact alone speaks volumes about the question, given that TFA quotes a rather lengthy statement from the company president, who didn't once take the opportunity to say that the device doesn't collect personally identifiable data.

      So I'm genuinely not seeing what's inherently wrong with wanting to understand how products are used and could improve, especially in the burgeoning sexual-health industry.

      Please note that "wanting to understand how products are used and could improve" is neither the ethical nor the logical equivalent of collecting private, intimate, real-time data without anywhere informing the purchaser that this is happening. Also, even if the data collected isn't personally identifiable now, it could become so later, and there are plenty of precedents for this.

      Another note: when the president of the company says "our policy does disclose that we may collect data", that refers to their website policy; it IS NOT disclosed when the app is downloaded, according to TFA.

      Do you see now "what's inherently wrong" with this picture?

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    3. Re:Not understanding the issue by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Non-personally identifying data rarely is non-personally identifying. Also, they failed to mention it in their privacy policy, which means they probably broke the law in many EU countries where it is mandatory when data is collected this way.

      It's okay if they ask and have an opt-in button, but just doing it on the sly is underhanded and wrong.

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  6. Re:Marketing is a four-letter word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are we really nothing more than market research tools and products to be sold to the highest bidder anymore?

    No, we're not, and it's our own damn fault. People are flocking to anything that promises them anything in return for their data. Privacy is a non-issue. Even close friends to whom I explained the technology and how it's used against them don't take the slightest precautions. People who should know better practice full on data exhibitionism. This war is lost. Too many old geeks have defected, and the new generation grew up with this stuff, so it's normal to them. Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.

  7. Re:Marketing is a four-letter word by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right, this is an item which you pay for. People defending all this invasion of privacy often say that the point is to get things for free. In practice, however, I have found that free things are more likely to respect your privacy. This is especially true of software. Take, for example, Android apps for GPS navigation. Garmin Navigon costs $49 (last I looked) which is expensive for an Android app. It wants access to all kinds of things which don't seem necessary for it's function. They have an excuse for access to the camera. It's to tell you if you are driving in the correct lane. I don't know what their excuse is for needing access to your contacts list. In contrast, the free app, Mapfactor Navigator, only asks for access to the things you would expect and it has a much better privacy policy.