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Popular Sex Toy Caught Sending Intimate Data To Manufacturer (fusion.net)

In a world where thermostats, and smart locks can be hacked, and companies covertly record information, why should sex toys remain unaffected. Fusion is reporting that the We-Vibe 4 Plus, a popular vibrator sends a range of intimate data to its manufacturer. The sex toy uses a smartphone app, which lets a use control the vibration among other things. From the report: When the device is in use, the We-Vibe 4 Plus uses its internet connectivity to regularly send information back to its manufacturer, Standard Innovations Corporation. It sends the device's temperature every minute, and lets the manufacturer know each time a user changes the device's vibration level. The company could easily figure out some seriously intimate personal information like when you get off, how long it takes, and with what combinations of vibes. This was revealed on Friday at hacker conference Defcon in Las Vegas by two security researchers, who wish to be called only by their handles @gOldfisk and @rancidbacon. The two examined the app's code and the information being sent by the device over Bluetooth. In a statement sent by email, Standard Innovation Corporation's president Frank Ferrari confirmed that the company collects this information. [...]

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  1. This already happens by Major+Blud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " seriously intimate personal information like when you get off, how long it take"

    Most Slashdotters already have information like this collected by their ISP ;-)

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    1. Re:This already happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, maybe if they saw a common enough trend in the speed/intensity vibrations, they could make some automatic programs that could be run so that women could go through the cycle without having to make manual adjustments, just sit back and enjoy it?

    2. Re:This already happens by HumanWiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, if you think something like:

      [0:00 to 0:34] Level 1, Speed 4
      [0:34 to 1:17] Level 2, Speed 6
      [1:17 to 2:01] Level 4, Speed 2
      [2:01 to 3:45] Level 6, Speed 7

      ..is hot, then you're an idiot.

      Actually, it's you that is the idiot.

      Take a pornographic image of any kind and strip it down to the data layer (that means open it in a text editor of choice) and look at all that garbage text.

      If you think that "s(:Ú÷Sòoè/$QÓ4dr£'XåÒúZúsUjÏpáåìa±‘2à¥n úÜê–¦G÷ájç4Íï`Ý^în&ä\ð}.Fú?x¥P. øòzóæ|w;¥Jt/6VÑTUýõ$mHôÿ ]}uóæ|/3àj½óTá`ümØ{*.?@8ÕG3àiå{üæò(#ÿ ñãWQÄÀ—€|åyð£ÎWÀü+‘\]r{25½öBÆaúvç+Ìø'3à~EX©5—ßÝ(ÊÆÛ]" is hot, then you're an idiot...

      It's not the data in the raw that's the issue, but what the data in the raw represents.

    3. Re:This already happens by omnichad · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you think that "s(:Ú÷Sòoè/$QÓ4dr£'XåÒúZúsUjÏpáåìa±‘2à¥n úÜê–¦G÷ájç4Íï`Ý^în&ä\ð}.Fú?x¥P. øòzóæ|w;¥Jt/6VÑTUýõ$mHôÿ ]}uóæ|/3àj½óTá`ümØ{*.?@8ÕG3àiå{üæò(#ÿ ñãWQÄÀ—€|åyð£ÎWÀü+‘\]r{25½öBÆaúvç+Ìø'3à~EX©5—ßÝ(ÊÆÛ]" is hot, then you're an idiot...

      Until you get used to it. All I see now is blonde, brunette, redhead.

    4. Re:This already happens by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The vast majority of people are going to be creeped out because "somebody is watching them" but have basically no emotional response at all to "data is being recorded." If you phrase it as, "personal information being recorded for later playback" then you'll get a rise out of a lot more of them. But you're not going to get comprehension if you say "data connection." Data, that means it is just impersonal numbers, right?

    5. Re:This already happens by speedplane · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you think that "s(:Ú÷Sòoè/$QÓ4dr£'XåÒúZúsUjÏpáåìa±‘2à¥n úÜê–¦G÷ájç4Íï`Ý^în&ä\ð}.Fú?x¥P. øòzóæ|w;¥Jt/6VÑTUýõ$mHôÿ ]}uóæ|/3àj½óTá`ümØ{*.?@8ÕG3àiå{üæò(#ÿ ñãWQÄÀ—€|åyð£ÎWÀü+‘\]r{25½öBÆaúvç+Ìø'3à~EX©5—ßÝ(ÊÆÛ]" is hot, then you're an idiot...

      Until you get used to it. All I see now is blonde, brunette, redhead.

      Dude! You mistook that upper case "I" for a lowercase "l"... that chick has a dong.

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  2. Marketing is a four-letter word by Scutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is nothing sacred anymore? Are we really nothing more than market research tools and products to be sold to the highest bidder anymore? Look, if you give me something for free, I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable to ask for something in return (provided you disclose that you're collecting that data). But if I'm paying for it, then please just stop. I'm the customer, not the product.

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    1. Re:Marketing is a four-letter word by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is nothing sacred anymore?

      In a word, "no".

      I'm the customer, not the product.

      In this case, you're both.

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    2. Re:Marketing is a four-letter word by funwithBSD · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sing with me!

      The internet is for porn! The internet is for porn!

      Porn porn porn... and Marketing!

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    3. Re:Marketing is a four-letter word by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, this is an item which you pay for. People defending all this invasion of privacy often say that the point is to get things for free. In practice, however, I have found that free things are more likely to respect your privacy. This is especially true of software. Take, for example, Android apps for GPS navigation. Garmin Navigon costs $49 (last I looked) which is expensive for an Android app. It wants access to all kinds of things which don't seem necessary for it's function. They have an excuse for access to the camera. It's to tell you if you are driving in the correct lane. I don't know what their excuse is for needing access to your contacts list. In contrast, the free app, Mapfactor Navigator, only asks for access to the things you would expect and it has a much better privacy policy.

    4. Re:Marketing is a four-letter word by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      My first thought was, for a lot of people this is a feature because future models will be better at getting them off.

      But if you read Dan Savage, you might be skeptical that it will help their sex lives.

      If they disclose it, I don't see why it is a problem. I wouldn't want to use it, but a lot of people would. Especially if they offer free software upgrades for people who share their data.

      The general case is scarier to me. My banking data or my political activities seem more in need of protection than masturbation details. The only people in the world who care about this data are people who sell devices to aid the activity. Whereas with my banking data, it is not only people who sell banking services that might want to steal it!

  3. Asking for a friend by swb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do they have the smartphone-enabled model that lets you control the vibration functionality from a *remote* smartphone, so you can further bridge the phone sex gap?

    I'm asking for a friend.

    1. Re:Asking for a friend by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 5, Informative

      You would be talking about OhMiBod. See also the website chaturbate (sex cam chat, often coupled with the OhMiBod vibrator.)

  4. Pentesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Brings a whole new meaning to pentesting doesn't it?

  5. Re: Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's hard to type properly with only one hand

  6. "more transparency for our customers." by sehlat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which way is the transparency?

    To the customer, by making it plain Big Brother is watching their orgasms?

    To the company, as in "OK. Delilah in Kansas City likes Echo Mode at 5.7Hz. Why don't we start offering pre-customized models which have all the user's preferences pre-programmed? For a fee, of course."

  7. when you get off and stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The company could easily figure out some seriously intimate personal information like when you get off, how long it takes, and with what combinations of vibes."

    sure, then they sell your data to your health insurance company, employers, the goverment so they all know about your sexual activities and perceived health. takes longer than a few minutes for you to get off? that will earn you an interesting chat with your manager the next moring.

    "Steve, we've noticed you recently have been sexually quite active. We are pleased it works out for you. However we're really concerned about the decline in your performance, sexually. I look at my statistics sheet here, and it says you usually took just 1.5 minutes, which is very good. It releases stress but it doesn't impact your productivity that much. So that's a good thing. However, for almost 2 weeks now, we see that it takes you 5, sometimes 10 minutes to get off. I have to tell you, we don't like this development. You have to look into this. If you can't improve it, we will ban you from any sexual activities in the future and treat you with a stress relexant. Am I clear?"

    brave new world

  8. You joke but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can get over the fact it's about sex, it's actually a pretty good collection of metrics to collect when you're looking to get the best performance out of your product.

    They'll take that data and use it to improve future products to better get you off /with science/

    Also could provide pretty good data for legit scientific study - It can be hard to get funding to study taboo subjects.

    Of course, this all needs to be clearly stated in a privacy policy and data should be anonymized.. That's the real fuck-up here.

    1. Re:You joke but.. by Bruinwar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never joke about marketing. Anonymized data will somehow become non-anonymized once they see money being left on the table.

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  9. This just in by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sex toy makers are dicks.

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  10. EDITORS by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hire some.

    That summary is so poorly written that it borders on editorial malpractice.

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    1. Re:EDITORS by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Funny

      give the editors a break. they had to type this summary with only 1 hand!

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  11. The good news is... by StandardCell · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...this security issue will affect very few /.ers...

  12. Not understanding the issue by Morgon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, so they capture completely non-personally-identifiable information... so?

    They log how often the user changes vibration settings. This seems like clear product improvement data. Remove lesser-used settings and utilize the information on how frequently the settings are changed to create an auto-program that mimics that alternation.
    They capture the temperature. This seems like possible safety data, if nothing else.

    If it activated the microphone to record the ambient "noise", you'd have a clear case of 'catching' someone sending data. Does it send the phone's device ID? I didn't see it in the summary. So I'm genuinely not seeing what's inherently wrong with wanting to understand how products are used and could improve, especially in the burgeoning sexual-health industry.

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    1. Re:Not understanding the issue by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real problem with your philosophy is that so much of that information is secretly personably identifiable.

      It is like the extra data a browser gives - things like versions, addons, etc. There is enough variability that you can determine the exact person.

      It may not be good enough in a court of law, but it is good enough for a private investigator.

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    2. Re:Not understanding the issue by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does it send the phone's device ID? I didn't see it in the summary.

      The article also doesn't even mention the topic of personally identifiable information. That fact alone speaks volumes about the question, given that TFA quotes a rather lengthy statement from the company president, who didn't once take the opportunity to say that the device doesn't collect personally identifiable data.

      So I'm genuinely not seeing what's inherently wrong with wanting to understand how products are used and could improve, especially in the burgeoning sexual-health industry.

      Please note that "wanting to understand how products are used and could improve" is neither the ethical nor the logical equivalent of collecting private, intimate, real-time data without anywhere informing the purchaser that this is happening. Also, even if the data collected isn't personally identifiable now, it could become so later, and there are plenty of precedents for this.

      Another note: when the president of the company says "our policy does disclose that we may collect data", that refers to their website policy; it IS NOT disclosed when the app is downloaded, according to TFA.

      Do you see now "what's inherently wrong" with this picture?

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    3. Re:Not understanding the issue by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Non-personally identifying data rarely is non-personally identifying. Also, they failed to mention it in their privacy policy, which means they probably broke the law in many EU countries where it is mandatory when data is collected this way.

      It's okay if they ask and have an opt-in button, but just doing it on the sly is underhanded and wrong.

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  13. Better orgasms through mathmatics. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On the upside, it could be used to create a custom profile on what REALLY gets the person off. I imagine a vibrator that "learns" would be a welcome asset to a lot of women out there.

    1. Re:Better orgasms through mathmatics. by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now all they need to do is combine it with the technology from Clippy the Paperclip.

      It looks like you're trying to get an orgasm. Would you like some help with that?

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  14. Wait for it... by CaptainOfSpray · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Newsreader: in the latest IT scandal, Standard Initrode Corp has admitted that its Autobanger sex toys have been remotely hijacked by a variant of the Stuxnet virus. The effect of the hijacking is to cause the device to repeatedly apply the user's favorite settings, until the user becomes unresponsive. Last week's revelations by Federal investigators that a number of unexplained deaths among Congressmen and -women were caused by unexpected heart attacks may be related.

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  15. Need to upgrade my virus protection by paiute · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great - now I have to worry about man-in-the-middle attacks in the bedroom too?

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  16. Okay ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    (a) This is the creepiest thing I've read all week.
    (b) When can I control the smartphone from the vibrator?

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