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Metropolitan Police To Target Online Hate Crime and Abuse (bbc.com)

A new team of specialist police officers is being set up to investigate online hate crimes, including abuse on Twitter and Facebook. The London-based hub will include a team of five officers who will support victims and identify online abuse, reports BBC. From the report: The two-year pilot will cost 1.7m pound and has received 452,000 pound from the Home Office, the London Mayor's office said. A spokesman said there was "no place for hate" in London and there would be a "zero tolerance" of online abuse. The team, which will be set up in the coming months, will identify the location of crimes and allocate them to the appropriate force. They will work with a team of volunteers. The Mayor's Office for Policing And Crime (Mopac) said social media "provides hate crime perpetrators with a veil of anonymity, making it harder to bring them to justice and potentially impacting on a larger number of people".

161 comments

  1. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They will protect political correctness and leave the real victims by the wayside. Too bad it isn't politically correct to prosecute the extremists causing a disproportionate amount of hate speech and physical attacks.

    1. Re:Translation by sittingnut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      london under khan: a police state that prosecute "thought crimes" .
      ultimately it will go the way of all other police states. corruption, waste, stagnation, and collapse. good riddance!

    2. Re:Translation by cayenne8 · · Score: 0, Troll
      Well, good for them!!

      It would appear that all real crime has been solved and no longer is a threat over there.

      Now they can turn these expensive law enforcement resources' attention to preventing someones' feelings from being hurt online.

      What a great day in age this is that the old fashioned criminal element is no more and we can now concentrate on keeping little Sally's self esteem protected online.

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    3. Re:Translation by MitchDev · · Score: 2

      Yep. Attacking someone is a crime, saying you hate them is NOT!

      This is just another assualt on free speech disguised under the whole "Think of the children!!!!" line-of-excuse nonsense

    4. Re:Translation by Flavianoep · · Score: 1, Insightful

      More accurate translation: they will prosecute anyone who talks bad about government officials, rich people or the police.

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    5. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just another assualt on free speech disguised under the whole "Think of the children!!!!" line-of-excuse nonsense

      Dude. It's the UK we're talking about. I've said it before and will say it again: stop worrying about those idiots. Let them sink in the North Sea with their PC and "we will own the internet" attitude.

      F the UK and F the City of London. Let them die.

    6. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South Park envisioned this. They are the PC police bro!!!!

    7. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Reported to the authorities!

    8. Re: Translation by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think this is a stupid program, but your argument is still a false dichotomy and you erroneously equate more resources for other/unsolved crimes with better results. Some crimes are simply unsolvable with available information, and no amount of money or manpower will change that.

    9. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck the authorities.

    10. Re:Translation by lgw · · Score: 2

      My favorite thought crime that someone got a visit from the cops over (I don't think they were actually arrested): posting on a council forum about council housing assignments "I think she no likey". "Likey" rhymes with "pikey", you see. Much as if, in the us, you posted an objection to a section 8 housing assignment "I think she needs something bigger".

      This sort of shit allows for the worst sort of selective enforcement, the worst sort of "if a cop doesn't like you, he can always find something". It's simply not consistent with the rule of law. Not that the US has any overall moral high ground here on rule of law these days, as important families seem to get away with anything, but at least we're clinging on to free speech!

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    11. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying something is true doesn't make it true.

    12. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was because they got all the REAL Scotsmen to take care of the problem, smartass.

    13. Re: Translation by sittingnut · · Score: 2

      Saying you hate someone IS a crime. ... Telling someone you hate them IS assault. Verbal assault.

      "Saying you hate someone IS a crime. ... Telling someone you hate them IS assault. Verbal assault"
      translations-
      hurt feelings are crimes.
      always smile and be positive or we send you to jail.
      criticizing powers that be and their policies, thus showing 'hate', is a crime.
      quarreling verbally with anyone is a crime
      etc etc

      yes that is police state mentality. and london under khan is one.
      and there are always scum who will collaborate with such states, you seem to be one.

    14. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate you. And I hate people who think like you.

  2. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will these five agents travel the world, arresting all the people from the internet? This is like James Bond!

    1. Re: Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to travel: they'll download the culprits and put them in a bitlocker and stuff

    2. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of.

      Under Theresa May, GCHQ will have the power to spy on all Brits and hack any foreign network, use their NSA links to obtain data etc. Her snoopers charter.

      The MET defines speech as potential "radicalization" or "hate speech". And the MET is GCHQ's contact point to the police, so these officers are really the entry excuse for the British spooks to control British speech. It's not that they'd do the actual grunt work, that would be GCHQ's mass surveillance database and its analysts. This just gives them the speech = crime connection needed to access that massive surveillance DB.

      So these officers would object to something said, GCHQ would get the go ahead to look at all the tracking info on that, and reveal that to the MET. None of this requires a crime, it just requires an investigation.

      The 5 officers are just the stampers who stamp the rubber to the paper.

    3. Re:Good! by Archtech · · Score: 1

      If it's like James Bond, they'll be taken prisoner in the first foreign country they visit and tortured to death. Unless they have any clever devices given them by Q, of course.

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    4. Re:Good! by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Yes, "radicalization" is a far more dangerous standard than "hate speech". To be a "radicalizer", you don't need to attack anyone or call for violence. All you really need to do is criticize government policy. Indeed, calling for an end to violence could get you arrested - if it's your government's violence.

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  3. These people are mentally ill. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't mean it as an insult, but as an actual statement. They are mentally ill, for real. Brainwashed and dangerously stupid.

    1. Re:These people are mentally ill. by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

    2. Re:These people are mentally ill. by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      I'm not really surprised, this is the same country where its illegal for someone under the age of 18 to buy a plastic fork.

    3. Re: These people are mentally ill. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not saying you hate them, are you?

    4. Re:These people are mentally ill. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? Is this knife regulation gone to far, or is a plastic fork now some drug paraphernalia?

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    5. Re:These people are mentally ill. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Also consider, the truth of a statement is not a defence against libel. So you can libel people by telling the truth about them, and get locked up.

      That shit is wack ;)

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    6. Re:These people are mentally ill. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, what? Is this knife regulation gone to far, or is a plastic fork now some drug paraphernalia?

      knife regulation gone to far...
      Sorry it's a Torygraph link..
      and I quote
      '..But Lord Justice Laws, sitting with Mr Justice David Steel, disagreed. He said: "I would accept that a sharp or pointed blade was the paradigm case - however the words of the statute are unqualified and refer to any article that has a blade."'

      For your amusement..UK Government - Buying and carrying knives: the law
      and I quote
      '..A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.'

      Have a good look at some of the UK's offensive weapons legislation sometime if you're bored, it all started with banning flick and gravity knives back in the 50's (probably something to do with those damn'd Teddy Boys and these menaces to decent society) and has gotten progressively weirder..e.g using the precedent created by the above-mentioned Lord Justice Laws and Mr Justice David Steel specifically mentioning that '..the words of the statute are unqualified..' then The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988, Schedule 1.(k) prohibits peashooters...for your further amusement on that one, see here (yet they won't sell crossbows and other quite legal items)

      Weasel wordcrafting lawyers who draft legislation at the behest of their police state masters....got to love them...

      In the 80's, I used to travel around the UK with a 4.5" sheath knife prominently fixed to the outside of my rucksack, nowadays I make sure I've not even got a normal fixed blade screwdriver in it, just in case (no point being hung for a lamb...).

  4. Online hate crime?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this exactly? Mean tweets?

    1. Re:Online hate crime?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this exactly? Mean tweets?

      Saying anything bad about a billionaire or Donald Trump.

    2. Re:Online hate crime?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Obama, Hilary and Biden...

    3. Re:Online hate crime?? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0

      In Britain it is illegal to incite violence via hate speech.

      Saying "I hate green people." isn't illegal. However, saying "Green people should all be killed, lets hang out tonight and kill some greenies" would be considered illegal.

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    4. Re:Online hate crime?? by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does that have to have a special name though? Plotting to kill someone - regardless of motive - should be illegal. Conspiracy to Murder or thereabouts (the exact charge name may vary by locale/jurisdiction).

      Anything that should be a "hate crime" should also just be a regular crime with existing laws against it or it shouldn't be a crime at all. A "hate crime" is always either redundant or an unjust charge.

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  5. So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Salgak1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . . on the INTERNET ??

    That makes holding back the tide with a teaspoon look doable, in contrast. . . .

    1. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      That makes holding back the tide with a teaspoon look doable, in contrast. . . .

      Standby for the creation of the Metropolitan Teaspoon Brigade, outfitted with the latest tactical tide-fighting teaspoons that money can buy!

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    2. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, a particular kind of assholery. Threatening and intimidating people.

      And yes, of law enforcement is sufficiently determined and they can probably track down most people who engage in a persistent pattern of threats.

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    3. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by sinij · · Score: 2

      And yes, of law enforcement is sufficiently determined and they can probably track down most people who engage in a persistent pattern of threats.

      Law enforcement is yet to address much more serious and directly related to them problem of swatting, why do you think they could make any difference here?

      What is more likely is they are looking for another tool to legally repress dissenters and non-conformists.

    4. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Well, a particular kind of assholery. Threatening and intimidating people.

      Considering that police services in Europe have been detaining people for wrong think for the last couple of years? You should be getting the fuck out of there, along with the rest of Europe. Other stuff off the top of my head include the threats by the police that no dissenting opinions will be allowed regarding anything to do with the economic migrants. People arrested for different opinions(labeled as "hate speech") and labeled as racists. Scottland yard wanting to do the same thing as the Met. And it's just not the UK, but other countries as well.

      This entire thing comes off as "hey look at those ideological opponents of ours, maybe we can just use the law to shut them up. And when we can't, we'll just change the law" And then they wonder why there's a rise in nationalists and so on.

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    5. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by swb · · Score: 2

      I think this is pretty much spot on.

      And then they wonder why there's a rise in nationalists and so on.

      The strength of populist/nationalist movements is basically proportionate to amount of truth and reality the political system is deliberately choosing to suppress or ignore.

      If the political system acknowledged a handful of realities Trump would have been a one-line joke that fizzled last August. But because they continue to deny them, it props him up and lends credibility to the other incredulous things he says.

    6. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Can we get them to go after APK?

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    7. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why Coren22? You're the one who told lies about him https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9380571&cid=52536769/ and he blew you away for it there and here showing you're a do nothing know nothing in computers who hides behind a fake name online (makes sense, you have nothing to show for yourself so you might as well be true to yourself and continue on as a fake in computing and doubtless life too) https://slashdot.org/comments.... and you can't handle it? I must admit it was hilarious seeing apk completely blow you away as usual though!

    8. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      APK, this is exactly what I am talking about. You are hurling abuse that has nothing to do with the subject, and it is abuse that I have already, repeatedly, responded to.

      Do you understand that harassment in many places is illegal? You accuse me of libeling you, you know what, bring a lawsuit, I am sure the judge will get a good laugh at it all.

      You can claim all you like that you blew me away, but frankly, all you do is hurl abuse, and act like you have won an argument. Where is your responses about the timing delays of hosts files that DNS doesn't suffer from?

      I do find it hilarious though seeing you flop around like a crying toddler, I can just see you turning blue while you hold your breath in a temper tantrum!

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    9. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK, this is exactly what I am talking about.

      Woah, dude. You poked him just to argue this same point with him for the zillionth time? I'm sympathetic when he appears in unrelated threads and unleashes torrents of gibberish, but when you invite his abuse, you can't act surprised when he obliges. Let sleeping dogs lie.

    10. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22 why'd you mention apk to start things here then? From the link it's clear you hurled abuse in lies about apk https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9380571&cid=52536769/ you hypocrite pot calling a kettle black do nothing which apk also proved about you. Lawsuit? Coren22 all you do is post on slashdot all day long. I infer you have no job and no money. What is the point of suits against a clear loser like you? Nothing. Everytime someone points out where apk nukes you it makes you freak out. Quit projecting your issues. We already know you're a mentally disturbed aspergers case. Do yourself a favor and the rest of us that have to put up with your deranged ass, ok? Go take your psycho meds and shut up. Thanks.

    11. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Law enforcement is yet to address much more serious and directly related to them problem of swatting, why do you think they could make any difference here?

      Consider: swatting gives them a ready excuse to break down doors, point guns, shoot dogs, intimidate people, and maybe crack some skulls. The number of calls they receive may also factor into next year's budget. There's little or no incentive for them to put a stop to it. It's a chance for the state to flex its muscles and remind people of its power.

      With police in general, the hard thing is to convince them *not* to do something, to restrain themselves, to de-escalate.

    12. Re: So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      170 000 per year per officer.

      what a waste of money.

    13. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The strength of populist/nationalist movements is basically proportionate to amount of truth and reality the political system is deliberately choosing to suppress or ignore. ...

      Well, it's pretty easy to now show that the media isn't your friend, they have an agenda. There are groups out there that are attempting to push corruption and graft for the media as perfectly good thing, and they're left-wing groups.

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    14. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the political system acknowledged a handful of realities Trump would have been a one-line joke that fizzled last August. But because they continue to deny them, it props him up and lends credibility to the other incredulous things he says.

      Exactly, another one, which is imho the most dangerous one, especially in Europe, is the idea that islam and religion have nothing to do with terrorism.

      The governments keep repeating that idiotic lie that noone believes but that noone is allowed to denounce without being labeled a racist or sued to oblivion. What happens next is that people aren't informed and put all the muslims in the same bag.

      That makes extremisms rise everywhere: fascists and nationalists on one side, communitarianism on the other.

      And the results is that the proportion of muslisms in Europe that are ok with terrorism is scary, and the popularity of fascist movements has never been higher since WWII.

      I fear that stupid political correctness is leading Europe towards really dark times.

    15. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by swb · · Score: 1

      I think you can narrow the list of reality denial by the political establishment down to a fairly short list, and to many extents, both establishment parties participate.

      1) Mass immigration -- there's a lot of denial on this topic. It's financial impact is only positive, it doesn't displace US workers, it doesn't create cultural friction.

      2) Race -- there isn't a crime epidemic among African Americans, said crime isn't the prime mover of policing policies, all of the problems facing African Americans are principally due to racism, which is an exclusively white-driven phenomenon.

      3) Islamic Terrorism -- This one is a double-edged sword; the security state seems to buy into it as it enhances their power and influence, but the political establishment on the left consistently wants to downplay the cultural and ideological aspects of it because it exposes inconsistencies with their racial and immigration policies.

      4) I'd even add in the economy. I think both sides push an economic agenda which denies the material reality for much of the population. Globalism helps the average worker, corporate and banking interests promote policies that are worker friendly, vertical movement in the economy is only a matter of effort.

       

    16. Re:So they want to stop people being assholes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, though it's a bit different here in Europe. And at the end of the day, it makes extremisms and hate rise: racism between white and black, hate against migrants, hate against the rich, against the poor, against muslims.

      If lies stopped and if people were able to discuss the subjects, the hate would be directed at the minority off assholes in each of said groups. But since they are protected, the hate targets all of the groups.

      I really wonder whether those who propagate those lies are aware of the situation or not.

  6. WOTS ALL THIS THEN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you AVIN' A GOOD TIME?

    Are you enJOYIN' yourself then eh? You filthy scum?

    Welly welly welly welly well well welly well well it's off to the nick with the lot of ya, EVERYONE ONLINE

  7. Teasing: now illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying "Your mama" is now a crime.

    1. Re:Teasing: now illegal. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      well yeah, it is

      EVERYONE knows that its "YO Mama"

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  8. Just another excuse... by drew_92123 · · Score: 2

    to waste tax payer money on shit that doesn't really matter because a vocal minority of butt hurt retards won't shut the fuck up and get on with their lives. Just sayin...

    1. Re:Just another excuse... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 0

      It isn't a waste of taxpayer money, the taxpayers keep electing these idiots, and get what they deserve. And this is, no doubt, designed to protect the precious snowflakes from having chalk marks on the sidewalks, while they ignore the actual radical statements made by people hell bent on killing everyone not like them because they are "Insert politically correct subgroup here".

      This is the full on assault of the First Amendment, dressed up to look acceptable to idiots who can't handle free speech.

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    2. Re:Just another excuse... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      This is the full on assault of the First Amendment, dressed up to look acceptable to idiots who can't handle free speech.

      Umm, this is the UK. They don't have a First Amendment, and have no legal authority on the side of the pond where there IS a First Amendment.

      So let them amuse themselves. It'll be interesting to see them try to do something about an asshat in the USA offending someone in the UK....

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    3. Re: Just another excuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when does the 1st Amendment apply to London?

    4. Re: Just another excuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do have a bill of rights that entails free speech. It does have exceptions though.

    5. Re:Just another excuse... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Think of the contractors, overtime, new systems needed, rented work on big new databases. Telcos and internet providers upgrading to collect all ip usage to all messages posted in searchable form.
      The new staff hired to sit around and read messages online, the staff to keep their computer skills upto date. The contractors hired to expand the storage of huge datasets.
      Any local gov, charity, gov, mil, ex staff, former staff can then sit around and report anyone for commenting on any gov policy in real time.

      The ability of any gov worker to find a message online, get the ip and be shown a users full telco account in real time just by selecting suspected "thought crime" from a gov gui... .
      Self-signed warrants from the gui.
      Give that power to any gov connected charity, NGO, public private partnership worker. Law firms trying to find the origins of liable comments about tax payers money been used to fund junkets..

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  9. Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate your program! HateHateHateHate it!

  10. Kingsman: The Twitter Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coming to a theater near you.

  11. Speech as a crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have no right to stop people saying things that offend you. Nobody makes you listen. Don't pretend speech is radicalizing muslims, its not words that's doing it, its the bombs you're dropping from drones.

    Nobody makes you read anonymous comments, nobody makes you take them seriously, you do that yourself.

    All that happens when you give people special censorship powers, if they claim to be a victim, is to misuse that special power to censor stuff. Saying victims fear online stuff will happen in the real world, is like saying "BOGEYMEN ARE REAL!!! We'll protect you!". Can you protect people from the demons they make in their imaginations? Can you kettle those bogeymen?

    No?

    So what you're saying is that person X's imagined fears trump person Y's right to free speech. And Person Y cannot speak freely because there are lots of X's waiting to take offense that can shut down speech.

    Theresa May wasn't elected PM, she and her supporters manipulated her into power. She needs to leave. It's a democracy and she wasn't elected. Now we have her choices to suppress free speech and legalize mass surveillance, she can stand on her choices at the next election, which needs to be soon. She needs to go. And I can say that because I'm not in the UK and am still free to speak without the MET kicking my door down.

    I *should* be able to say the very same thing in more hurtful words. Words are words, they are not deeds and claiming words = deeds is a lie from people who want to punish free speech as a crime.

    1. Re:Speech as a crime by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Speech as a crime by hey! · · Score: 2

      You do have a right to stop someone from saying things that a reasonable person would perceive as threatening. This is not some kind of recent PC innovation, it goes back in the law for centuries.

      You can sort this out with a Venn diagram. All threats are assholery, and all threats are illegal, but some assholerly is legal.

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    3. Re:Speech as a crime by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2

      You do have a right to stop someone from saying things that a reasonable person would perceive as threatening.

      And there's very little that someone hundreds of miles away from you can say over the internet that a reasonable person would perceive as threatening.

      Someone in the same room with me, or standing in front of my house, saying "I'm going to punch you in the face for what you said!" is a true threat, the person has the imminent means and opportunity to carry it out. Someone in a different city tweeting "@tom_swiss I'm going to punch you in the face for what you said!" is not a threat. Their arms just aren't that long.

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    4. Re:Speech as a crime by lgw · · Score: 1

      Why would a reasonable person believe that anything said by a stranger on the internet is threatening? I've never understood that. Trash talk is trash, learn to ignore it.

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    5. Re:Speech as a crime by hey! · · Score: 1

      Oh, if I were to dox you, put a picture of your front door on a forum and say "I'm going to rape you, bitch," then I think you'd probably feel threatened.

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    6. Re:Speech as a crime by lgw · · Score: 2

      Nope - unless I knew you. The odds of an anonymous stranger somewhere in the world flying to where I live just to do me harm are quite small. I'll accept that risk alongside lightning and meteor strikes. It's not a credible threat, as the police have repeatedly had to tell SJWs.

      If I were a politician, it would be different. If the threat was to do something that could be done remotely to harm me, that might be different. That's why you hear about commentators getting SWATed, but not raped. And even then, I'd expect someone out to harm me would just do it, not threaten.

      Threats in person are different in kind, because it's how most humans "work up to" violence. Heck, even armies until post-WWII would do this on battlefields. Sane people want to win the confrontation, by scaring the other guy off, with violence only if your best threats don't work. So in-person threats are serious, because that's so often how the violence starts.

      Doxxing in general should be its own crime, IMO, but not a very serious one.

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  12. Ahh, Britain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Always so convinced that you can "police" the internet...always wrong. So very, very wrong.

    Good on them for targeting online hate and abuse I suppose, it's better than ignoring it and counting the ad dollars...oh, sorry, "supporting free speech," Twitter. Don't know how that slipped out there, the censorship filters mustn't be working.

    1. Re:Ahh, Britain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Britain isn't convinced of any such thing. Every country has its idiots amongst the politicians and public servants, and Britain is certainly no exception. We certainly have our conservative wingnuts who think they can impose their moral standards on the online community (though they are nowhere near as extreme as the tea party loons in the USA). But we're certainly not alone. I'll assume you're a yank, and point out all the pointless "Seized by the FBI" sites on the web; who thinks they can police the internet now? Who has states where online gambling is banned? And we don't have anyone over here that thinks the internet is made of a series of tubes, or that Al Gore invented it, so I think we're doing ok.

    2. Re:Ahh, Britain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always so convinced that you can "police" the internet...always wrong. So very, very wrong....

      Watch this space...
      you do realise that they could easily implement a 'great firewall' in the Chinese manner wrt connections to the outside world?
      already have mandatory filtering and monitoring installed on the major ISPs networks?

      You have to remember, the UK is the home of the (probably apocryphal) story of the civil servant whose only thought on Blériot's channel crossing was 'hmm, we'll have to legislate for this in the future..', TPTB here are past masters of the death of a thousand cuts and boiling frogs...they've been at it in one form or another for a thousand years..so they've still got a bit to go to catch up with the Chinese

  13. This shit needs to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The right to offend is more important than the right not to be offended.

    1. Re:This shit needs to stop by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Offense is always taken, never given.

  14. Oh yeah, that's money well spent by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The thought police are coming. Be afraid.. Most people are for it. In fact they would have you locked up for daring to malign or ridicule the idea.

    "Hate crime" Jeebus! Can somebody tell me why motivation makes a difference? They are just saying a crime of assault/murder is perfectly justifiable if the reasons are right and the perpetrator is "righteous". And "online abuse", a scandal created out of thin air to make censorship more palatable.

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    1. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Can somebody tell me why motivation makes a difference?

      Because intent matters. Would you give a murderer who planned his crime with utmost precision the same sentence as the guy who ran over a pedestrian because he was driving too fast?

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    2. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      You are confusing murder with homicide, there is a difference

    3. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can somebody tell me why motivation makes a difference?

      Because intent matters. Would you give a murderer who planned his crime with utmost precision the same sentence as the guy who ran over a pedestrian because he was driving too fast?

      No, that's not a fair comparison for the question you were trying to answer.

      Here's a more apt comparison.

      Is it worse for a person to plan to kill someone at random and do it....vs that same person to plan to kill someone at random and was also specifically black/gay/female/indian/muslim ?

      The question is, why would it be worse for #2 over #1....a person is still dead, so, what makes it worse if the reason was they were black vs they just didn't like the way you walked down the street?

      Dead is dead and in either case it is murder, but some would have you think it was worse in the case of a serial killer that DID differentiate based on race or sexual preference vs a serial killer that did not.

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    4. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Nope, the difference in intent is what creates two different crimes.

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    5. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Is it worse for a person to plan to kill someone at random and do it....vs that same person to plan to kill someone at random and was also specifically black/gay/female/indian/muslim ?

      By the logic of your question, the second crime wasn't at random, the person was singled out for their ethnicity or gender. That specificity makes it a different crime.

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    6. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You are picking nits. The law already breaks it down for us without involving "hate". Man one and two, first and second degree murder, negligent and justifiable homicide, etc. Using this ethereal "hate" is merely a pretext to control thought, and it is bigotry. A black man intentionally killing a white man and vice versa should carry the exact same penalty. But in our society "intent" will not be equally applied. Murder is murder. "Hate crime" is designed to single out a specific group to sanction more than the other. The system should not distinguish between cop killers and killer cops. Both are murderers, but the law separates them miles apart. One goes to the gas chamber, and the other collects a pension. Criminal justice needs to be a lot less driven by emotion, and much less subjective, but there is little desire to make it so, in fact this "hate crime" stuff is doing exactly the opposite, with clear intent.

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    7. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      By the logic of your question, the second crime wasn't at random, the person was singled out for their ethnicity or gender. That specificity makes it a different crime.

      Ok...motive is slightly more refined in the second example, but they are both murder...the end result, a human life is extinguished criminally, the person is dead.

      Why would #2 be worse than #1...the result is exactly the same, one less person processing oxygen. Both were premeditated murder.

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    8. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      I hate censorship nazis!

      That's not a hate crime. That's just words and an opinion. Setting fire to a censorship supporter (which they deserve) is a crime on the other hand,

    9. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      You are picking nits.

      In what way? I was just explaining why motivation was important in response to your question.

      The law already breaks it down for us without involving "hate".

      No argument here. I'm already well on record as not being a fan of this particular strategery since we already have a well-developed concept of mens rea which I feel is sufficient gradation.

      Criminal justice needs to be a lot less driven by emotion

      Won't happen until the human race evolves out of its desire for misery porn.

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    10. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2

      Why would #2 be worse than #1.

      Because in #1, the intent is murder. In #2, the intent is murder and terrorism against a specific group of people.

      The result is exactly the same

      They're not. In #1, someone is dead. In #2, someone is dead as a result of their circumstances of birth, or choice of religion

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    11. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're not. In #1, someone is dead. In #2, someone is dead as a result of their circumstances of birth, or choice of religion

      Sorry, I do NOT see the difference.

      A dead person is a dead person.

      Them being shot for being gay or muslim doesn't make their murder ANY more important than someone murdered for wearing argyle socks.

      Dead is Dead.

      If you go with "hate" crime, you are essentially saying their life is worth more than other peoples' lives.

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    12. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You only need to prove intent or lack or it. It doesn't matter if you kill a man because he banged your wife, or if you hate his mother, his religion, ethnicity, or anything else. Intent is simply intent. The reasons why are totally irrelevant, aside from maybe proving intent, but regardless, the penalty should be the same.

      In your other argument:
      By the logic of your question, the second crime wasn't at random, the person was singled out for their ethnicity or gender. That specificity makes it a different crime.... Because in #1, the intent is murder. In #2, the intent is murder and terrorism against a specific group of people... In #1, someone is dead. In #2, someone is dead as a result of their circumstances of birth, or choice of religion

      Why should that be different? The whole "terrorism" thing is hogwash. That is only distinguished by the person defining the word, and who the perpetrator and target is. An intentional killing is only that. If you want, add a racketeering change to it. The law already makes room for organized crime. Whether you realize it or not you are defending hate crime laws.

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    13. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      A dead person is a dead person.

      Which would be fine except that western law, for centuries now, has deemed the question of 'why' to be of critical importance in adjudicating criminal law.

      Them being shot for being gay or muslim doesn't make their murder ANY more important

      If you go with "hate" crime, you are essentially saying their life is worth more than other peoples' lives.

      You've got it backwards, intent is not about the final state of the crime, but what the criminal was attempting to achieve with his crime.

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    14. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      You only need to prove intent or lack or it. It doesn't matter if you kill a man because he banged your wife, or if you hate his mother, his religion, ethnicity, or anything else. Intent is simply intent. The reasons why are totally irrelevant, aside from maybe proving intent, but regardless, the penalty should be the same.

      Centuries of case law are completely at odds with your idea.

      Why should that be different?

      Simply put: refinement. If you're trying to make the argument that a reckless driver should get the exact same sentence as the guy who plotted his crime with great precision and detail, I'm not sure I can personally disagree. But again, centuries of law have, brick by brick, built up the idea that a criminal's goals are of vital importance in determining the severity of the crime and its attendant punishment.

      Whether you realize it or not you are defending hate crime laws.

      No, I'm defending its structural underpinnings. Where it goes from here, as I've mentioned already, I'm not personally comfortable with.

      Also worth pointing out that this is an important point in challenging hate crime laws. Most of the anti-arguments focus on the stupidity of intent, when it's heavily baked into the system. Better to make the case that the system is already sufficiently flexible to handle the load.

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    15. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Centuries of case law are completely at odds with your idea.

      Yeah, I know I'm going up against tradition here, but it is analogous to the defense of bullfighting as "respecting" a cultural institution.

      brick by brick

      Until the room is sealed.. Case law has become a prison. Is "hate crime" the final brick?

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    16. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know I'm going up against tradition here,

      Just a lil more complicated than that, but sure.

      Case law has become a prison

      Doubt it.

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      Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
    17. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      It's not the value of the life that differentiates them, it's that society finds crimes motivated by hatred of race, sexual orientation, gender and other non-choice attributes to be particularly abhorrent and in need of greater correction.

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    18. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Can somebody tell me why motivation makes a difference?

      Because intent matters.

      Intent is a very different thing than motive. Motive, in your example is the reason why the first guy planned his murder: for gain, for the lulz, ethnic or religious or political hatred, whatever. The act is still one of deliberate intent, regardless of motive. Your second guy had no intent to kill.

      Motive may matter when we turn to the question of how to rehabilitate a criminal. But it can play no rightful role in defining a crime.

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    19. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      But it can play no rightful role in defining a crime.

      it already does, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

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      Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
    20. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except majority or normative demographic groups are not a protected class, thus people that murder them with intent can't be charged with a hate crime. The law specifically values the life of some demographics over others and persecutes the same crime more harshly based on the rarity, in a binary sense, of the victim's demographic information.

    21. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kill someone at random [who] was also specifically black/gay/female/indian/muslim

      One of these things is not like the others. You have a greater-than-average chance of being specifically killed if you're black, gay, indian, muslim ... or male. In fact, being male is a greater risk factor for getting killed than being black or muslim. (I'm not sure about being gay or indian.) Why did you slip a factor that decreases your risk of being killed among a list of factors that increase it?

    22. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse because if its random - then there is no specific reason to be concerned but if it is targeted then you have groups of people in those categories fearful that they will be targeted. Ask a jew in nazi germany if the fact their uncle was killed for being a jew doesn't matter because he could have just as easily been hit by a drunk driver. The purpose of attacking someone because of their race etc. isn't to hurt them, it's to terrify the rest of their group. THAT is what the extra charges of a hate crime are for. You insensitive clod.

    23. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      The counterargument is that the perpetrator thinks their lives are worth less, so the law is compensating.

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    24. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, historically, a non-trivial proportion of the population has seen these motives as being, if not ample excuse, at the very least extenuating circumstances for certain types of crime.

      By increasing the punishment, or increasing the resource put into detection, the authorities send a signal, both to the victims and the perpetrators of the crime. To the perps, they say "you and your peers may think this is acceptable, but we very specifically think the opposite, so don't expect to get off on this basis". To the victims, they say much the same thing, except with an emphasis on "we realise you may feel that in the past these crimes have not been prosecuted as thoroughly as they should have been, and we are very specifically trying to make that right".

      It's not about justice, it's about politics. But that doesn't mean it's wrong.

    25. Re: Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      manslaughter.

      and really it would be simpler, because now if you have an intent to kill you can get away with manslaughter if you didnt plan anyone specific, at least if you are a copper. if you're not it might be murder or super-murder(if its terrorism or you're black). ... but the pleading system is a much more bigger problem since that leads to murder stats being higher than murderer stats! just give everyone the same sentence for the same crimes, based on the effects of the crime on other people, not skin color. ..and yes there is a difference with accidentally shooting someone and driving too fast and drunk. the first one is an accident and the second one is not, so should be treated the same as murdering a random person. and you don't shoot anyone 5 times accidentally either.

    26. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      it already does, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

      No, it doesn't. Read more carefully, including adjectives, and I think you'll get it. :-)

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    27. Re:Oh yeah, that's money well spent by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      Therefore it is proved yet again that while everybody has equal protection under the law, it is just some are more equal than others.

      Anything you say can and will be used against you, so expressing an opinion in social media not considered politically correct carries with it an increased risk of incarceration.

  15. Nanny State, start your engines! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Officer, someone said a bad thing about me on teh interweb!

    Imagine all the real crime that's going to go unaddressed while the police chase down jackasses on Twitter and Facebook.

    "Yeah, we'd like to get an officer out to talk with you about your home invasion and attempted rape complaint, but HamDogg2251 just insulted SpecialSnowFlake4550 on Twitter, so we won't be able to come out until sometime next week."

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    1. Re:Nanny State, start your engines! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      On the one hand it would be nice if the police would take really serious threats made on the internet, well, seriously, but this announcement makes me very worried.

      The City of London Police are a private police force that operates for the benefit of the corporations that run the City of London. It's not a normal police force, it spends it time pursuing copyright infringes and other enemies of the little corporate state. Worryingly, they have full police powers despite the lack of democratic accountability.

      More over, even the real police in the UK/CPS are pretty thick and unable to comprehend how the internet works, or what is a real threat and what is an obvious joke.

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    2. Re:Nanny State, start your engines! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said anything about the City of London Police? The summary and article make it clear that it's the Metropolitan Police that are running this operation. Perhaps you're not familiar with the law in the UK, this is from Wikipedia:

      The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS), informally referred to as the Met, is the territorial police force responsible for law enforcement in Greater London, excluding the "square mile" of the City of London, which is the responsibility of the City of London Police.

      Metropolitan Police

    3. Re:Nanny State, start your engines! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The CoLP and the Met are not the same entity. They often work together on local policing matters, as their jurisdictions are adjacent, but that's it. The Met is just another police force like any other in the UK, only bigger.

      The CoLP have physical jurisdiction over a very small area, and specialise mostly on financial crime. Fraud, identity theft, insider trading, counterfeiting, that sort of thing - other police forces often consult them on such crimes. They are also home to the much-hated PIPCU, the internet copyright agency you appear quite aware of, known for having a very lax interpretation of where their authority ends.

      This, however, is a Met initiative. Which means it has nothing to do with the CoLP at all. While the CoLP is tiny, the Met is huge. Really huge. Around fifty thousand staff, policing the largest population of any police district in the UK.

    4. Re:Nanny State, start your engines! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Thanks for simplifying it down to a level of stupidity. Do you think online harassment is going to take precedence over a rape allegation as if the two cases aren't handled by a completely different group and aren't put through a prioritisation system?

      Do you think they care about one snowflake insulating another while some tides of abuse online are so rampant that people actually commit suicide over it? Why is your home invasion more important than someone else's life?

    5. Re:Nanny State, start your engines! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Thanks for simplifying it down to a level of stupidity.

      No thanks needed, as I wrote it with you in mind. ;)

      -

      Why is your home invasion more important than someone else's life?

      You can always find another loser to pester to death online, but no one can replace my fully-framed crayon drawing of John Wayne! Once that's stolen it's gone forever! Good god, man, have you no sense of proportion?

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    6. Re:Nanny State, start your engines! by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Used to be a joke in the US, some total idiot would call 911 because a fast food joint got something wrong.
      Now it seems even that may be a valid reason to call the police. Hey, he called me a nigger (or your favorite slur)! Lock 'em up!
      Of course, the police may have to determine if the guy is in fact a nigger (or your favorite slur) or not. What happens if the police determine the guy really is a nigger? Think of the fun and games this could cause. A lawyers wet dream!

  16. This is a fool's errand, but what _else_ is it ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is impossible to legislate thought, which is the origin of anything which could be described as hate.
    Thus the notion that online speech could possibly be regulated is something only a fool OR someone
    with an underlying agenda would consider plausible.

    However, this will give the police even more powers to intrude into the lives of others. Or should I
    say "Das Leben des anderen" ? The similarity between the old East German STASI and the current
    police in the UK grows more chillingly close with each passing day.

  17. Because our prison needs more prisoners! by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    As our prison system wasnt filled with enough criminals, we need thought criminals, people who point fingers, complainers, bullies, next door neighbors that we dont like etc. Lockem all up and GET OFF MY LAWN.

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  18. Obligatory Demolition Man References by tsqr · · Score: 1

    Moral Statute Machine:
    Your repeated violation of the Verbal Morality Statute has caused me to notify the San Angeles Police Department. Please remain where you are for your reprimand.

    Simon Phoenix:
    I'm sorry to say that the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

    1. Re:Obligatory Demolition Man References by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      IT wasn't supposed to be a template for our society.

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    2. Re:Obligatory Demolition Man References by tsqr · · Score: 1

      IT wasn't supposed to be a template for our society.

      Yeah. Funny how things work out, right? I mean, for very small values of funny.

    3. Re:Obligatory Demolition Man References by lgw · · Score: 1

      Not funny in the "ha ha" sense, but in the "is that gauge in the reactor control panel supposed to be in the red?" sense.

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  19. it's about the money by smillie · · Score: 1

    I would guess this just a play for more money so a bunch of these guys can sit around surfing the internet pretending to look for offensive comments and get paid for it. Gotta check those porn sites for bad behaviour now.

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  20. Nero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #freemilo

  21. You British Slashdot trolls... by Guyle · · Score: 0

    ... best be cleaning up your act on here, else the jerries will be coming for you. Or is it bobbies? Coppers? Sadly, I don't know my proper English slang terms as well as I should.

    1. Re:You British Slashdot trolls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jerries - what has the germans got to do with this?

  22. 1.7 Mil Pounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For 5 officers over two years? I'm in the wrong career.

    1. Re:1.7 Mil Pounds by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      It does sound a lot but that 1.7mil covers more than just the wages.

      There is probably all sorts of technology that needs procuring, police cars, buildings. Typically for every simoleon spent on wage, there is a simoleon need to be spent by the employer- things like taxes, and crap.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:1.7 Mil Pounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UK female cops look really cute in their uniforms. The US could take a lesson from them and not make our lady cops dress like the men.

  23. Stupid stupid stupid by geek · · Score: 1

    If people are out looking for something to be offended by they will inevitably find it. Why do otherwise civilized societies keep pandering to these butt hurt babies that can't avert their eyes from shit they don't like? My whole life I was told if I don't like something, don't do it, don't look at it, don't get involved. When the fuck did we change from that to "Ban it, delete it, get it out of the world."

    I feel like I'm in the fucking Twilight Zone. We used to mock the nanny state.

    1. Re:Stupid stupid stupid by stdarg · · Score: 1

      First they came for the smokers and the Big Gulp soda drinkers, and I did not speak out.

    2. Re:Stupid stupid stupid by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      They are going after the political opposition, you'll find those people who mocked the nanny state with you in the gulag

    3. Re:Stupid stupid stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well actually first they came for the stoners and the pedos, and everyone was pretty ok with that.

      Then they came for the terrorists, and lots of people were ok with that too.

      Now they're just adjusting the definition of terrorist.

  24. London has fallen by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Off the deep end.

    1. Re:London has fallen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no.

      The UK has fallen (well, more liked walked) off the deep end.

      [...] already long ago, when we sold our vote to no man, the people have abdicated our duties, for the people who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses

  25. TRIGGERED!` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Metropolitan Police are a bunch of poncy poofters!

  26. Re:This is a fool's errand, but what _else_ is it by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    It is impossible to legislate thought

    It's also not necessary. Terrorizing the crimethinkers into silence is sufficient.

    However, this will give the police even more powers to intrude into the lives of others.

    That's fine

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    Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
  27. I am sure it will be completely fair and balanced by sciengin · · Score: 1, Troll

    In light of recent events concerning Twitter and Facebooks censorship of unwanted conservative wrongthink, I have full confidence in our Bobbies that they will handle the job completely objective and unbiased.
    I in particular do not expect any censorship of islam critical voices, particularly after nationwide child rape and trafficking scandals.
    I certainly don't expect them to silence voices critical of the government, of the ultra-leftists such as SJWs or of 3rd wave feminists.
    And of course I am looking forward to seeing all people held to equally high standards.

    Now excuse me, I have an appointment at the vet's, apparently the floating bladder of my flying pig has a nasty infection.

  28. How is that going to work? by no-body · · Score: 1

    Written or spoken word can be insult, defamation or ??
    Hate crime seems to be a crime (deed) against a person or group - how is this possible with words?
    If it's (a deed or fact) being reported/mentioned on some internet place, it is possibly worth pursuing by some police, but this seems to become a thought-police type thing. Where are the exact rules and regulations to get a hold of what is going on except politician/hype.

    Is England going the Turkey way - wholesale locking up judges/journalists/soldiers without due process because of one mentally sick madman?

  29. thought police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while I do not advocate hate, this is literally "thought police" and can be grossly abused.

    Ask yourself: would ISIL/daesh love to implement folks with this kind of power over the average person. If your answer is yes then you should have some second thoughts about putting this power in the hands of anyone.

    If you can't question why you do it, then you might be doing something very unwise or evil.

  30. Speech is safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't need to worry about what you say online, as long as you don't call Peter Thiel a big homo.

  31. The quick way to clean up the internet is simple by Hasaf · · Score: 1

    The reality is that it is in use in China and works pretty well. Further, most of the people using it support it. The solution is a real ID system where the ID of posters is simple to check and that the users are aware that it is easy to check their ID.

    Yes, there would be concerns to be addressed, such as protecting people from having their usage history published; however, it is not insurmountable. With th e sense of anonymity gone, most people would feel less free to act stupid.

  32. emails? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Anybody got an email address for the London mayor's office? MOPAC? Any of these wankers?

    I want to make their first investigation an easy one.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    1. Re:emails? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The offending official is Sophie Linden, Deputy Mayor - at least, that's the name on the funding application. There's a twitter handle where your messages can be ignored, @SophieKLinden. I couldn't find an easy address, but you can probably reach her via the mayor's office - that way a higher-ranking secretary will ignore your letter.

  33. Re:The quick way to clean up the internet is simpl by WorBlux · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Freedom of speech includes freedom to speak under pseudonyms, or anonymously. While real ID may prevent many things that ought not be said, it also stops many thing that ought be said.
    McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Comm’n 514 U.S. 334, 357 (1995),

    "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation—and their ideas from suppression—at the hand of an intolerant society. The right to remain anonymous may be abused when it shields fraudulent conduct. But political speech by its nature will sometimes have unpalatable consequences, and, in general, our society accords greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse."

  34. Twats... by Pedohammad · · Score: 1

    I have nothing else to say but... f-ing twats.

  35. but only politcally incorrect abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    certain targets will be allowed as "insight" and "comedy" and others will be protected and their enemies erased. Who decides?

    the same people who've been deciding.

  36. No time for real crimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile Pakistani Muslim gangs are raping and pimping thousands of young girls. Yes, it's apparently still going on and the police are hesitant to do anything out of fear of being "racist".

  37. no place for hate against... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sure no place for hate against the most hatefull of all. Exactly that is what those hatefull want, to have the freedom to hate whatever they want without having to answer to anyone, or get hated back , which would only be normal in a normal world. This world is not normal and all the insane are running the show.

  38. What a time to live in the UK (sarcasm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, moving on to online "hate and abuse crimes". They must have solved all of the actual real world violence and now they have nothing to do. Oh wait, whats that? Violent crime is only back down to what it was back in the 80s? They still have one of the highest rates of knife crime in the world?

  39. Re:The quick way to clean up the internet is simpl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently people are more abusive when using their real name:

    http://qz.com/741933/internet-trolls-are-even-more-hostile-when-theyre-using-their-real-names-a-study-finds/

    I suspect it works in China because people are concerned about being executed. Hey, maybe executions are the next thing for the UK.

  40. FBI BITCH STORY. "oh pls stop the hateful abuse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These faggots just wanted a job that produces nothing.

    Rushpuct muh authorituh.

    Why is this on Slashdot? Windows story, then what people think on Facebook and now oh no...

    Slashdot is another episode of Cops. Fuck yourselves. If you want to be useful expose what the USA government spies on. But you can't, because it is you FBI at Slashdot.

  41. Yeah, because... by hackel · · Score: 2

    Fuck you, freedom of speech! That's just a lame concept the colonists threw around for a while. We're better than that!

  42. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People must learn to stop yakking online about stuff they have no business meddling into. People have to follow rules and shut up, and let experts do the thinking. We wouldn't have Brexit if the government had done its part correctly. Putting some fear in the heart of the mobs will teach them to think correctly and to behave.

  43. If I were to murder both Person A and Person B by mpercy · · Score: 1

    And my stated reason for murdering both Person A and Person B was "I didn't like they way he looked," should the punishment be different? I should hope not.

    But if Person B was a member of some racial minority and Person A was not, you would probably want to tack on some sort of racial hate crime even though my inner crazy criteria was "His left ear is bigger than his right, he must die."

    1. Re:If I were to murder both Person A and Person B by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      But if Person B was a member of some racial minority and Person A was not, you would probably want to tack on some sort of racial hate crime

      You might want to read my other comments in this thread.

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      Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
  44. Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brits don't have the freedom they all think and this is just another example. But they don't have any weapons so they can't do anything about it no matter what.

    1. Re:Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My British friends like to tell me how much safer their country is, but Robert Knox (major role in one of the Harry Potter films) was stabbed to death in east London.
      But here in the US the affluent white actors die in plane, car crashes, and drug overdoses.

  45. wtf. incredibly amusing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i hope they have a large travel budget.

  46. Re:The quick way to clean up the internet is simpl by lgw · · Score: 2

    China is a brutally oppressive totalitarian society. Copy nothing that they do. Any time you find yourself recommending that that we copy something the Chinese government does? That's how you know you've gone off the rails.

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    Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  47. #KillAllMen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they going to round up the people that use #KillAllMen?

  48. thought crime police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I may not agree with what another man says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it.

    These thought police have no place in a modern civilized society where discourse is to be encouraged. Think all muslims are terrorists and all black people murders? I do not agree, but neither do I agree that the government has the right to tell people what to think or feel or publicly express. We do not, never have, and never will tow the line. Incarceration with radicalize people not defuse them.

    I believe the truth is, they want people to fight each other. There is no other outcome from demonizing people for their beliefs than to forge that belief as something they have suffered for and will therefore believe even more strongly.

    If someone were to tell me that purple is vile, and then throw me in jail for believing purple is just another color and neither good nor evil. You can bet I would wear a purple shirt, hat, pants, socks and underwear while seeking to settle the score with the purple haters. It is our nature.

  49. Fight verbal violence with actual violence? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    That will go well. A good example why the police must be severely limited in what they are allowed to do, as otherwise they will turn into a gang of thugs that stomp hard on anything even slightly amiss in their eyes.

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    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  50. Re:The quick way to clean up the internet is simpl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently you believe the UK is subject to the constitution, laws and legal precedents of the USA. You're wrong.

  51. Marvelous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now how about catching the prick who mugged me? Oh a black guy in a black area? Sorry case closed...

  52. The Unit Already Being Accused Of Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very likely this account @MetLGBTNetwork has been manned by 5 trolls and sounds a lot like @CrashOverrideNW (aka C.O.N, created by Zoe Quinn, the person Gamergate accused of sleeping around to boost her work and horrible game). @MetLGBTNetwork has already threatened someone and deleted the tweet to avoid a scandal, making twitter folks wonder who is actually doing this work (pissed off SJW biased trolls)? Will there be oversight and punishment when they abuse the system (which they most likely will).

    Someone highlighting the threatening tweet: https://twitter.com/calherick/status/764014381973643264 ...check Storify tweet in the thread. It contains screencap of said threat.

  53. Re:The quick way to clean up the internet is simpl by WorBlux · · Score: 1

    Considering that all of the top Social Media sites used in the UK (http://wearesocial.com/uk/blog/2015/02/uks-top-social-networks) are based in the USA, such sites are subject to the laws and legal precedents of the USA. Yet that's not the point. In order to have the full benefits of free speech (a vibrant marketplace of ideas), you ought allow anonymity precisely because it lowers the barriers of entry for any on those ideas into the marketplace. China is still under the control of the communist party, which explicitly suppresses competing ideas because the endanger the party narrative, not because they care about protecting the vanity of teen girls that can't handle people telling them their hair is ugly. The truth is the Internet (defined as an end to end, peer to peer network) is and has been a great leveler of ideas, which is driving the elite of all nations to look for any excuse to gain a greater control of it.