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Group Wants To Shut Down Tor For a Day On September 1 (softpedia.com)

An anonymous reader writes: An internal group at the Tor Project is calling for a full 24-hour shutdown of the Tor network to protest the way the Tor Project dealt with the Jake Applebaum sexual misconduct accusations, and because of recent rumors it might be letting former government agents in its ranks. Two Tor members, also node operators, have shut down their servers as well, because of the same reason. They explained their motivations here and here.
"The protesters have made 16 demands," according to the article, six related to related to supposed infiltration of Tor by government agents, and 10 regarding the Appelbaum ruling and investigation -- including "asking all Tor employees that participated in this investigation to leave" and "the persons behind the JacobAppelbaum.net and the @JakeMustDie and @VictimsOfJake Twitter accounts to come forward and their identities made public."

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  1. Read the Tor stinks document from 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First off, read the Tor stinks document. This outlines how the NSA and GCHQ intended to attack Tor:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-stinks-nsa-presentation-document

    Keep in mind this document was 2007, so all of that was already done a long time ago. In particular note they intended to add many more of their own nodes and shape the traffic to ensure they could force a routing.
    All the attacks, ONIONBREATH attack on hidden servers, increasing the Tor nodes they control (NEWTONCRADLE) etc. all will already be done, and many more besides, this document is very old.

    Tor Foundation did not discover or even look for those attack nodes, or any of the GCHQ run nodes, when Snowden leaks came out. It was an outside university that went looking for attack nodes and found 100 of them.

    Next off, read the JTRIG document. Domestic propaganda, fake victim posts, poll rigging software, HTTPS man in the middle software, astroturf.
    https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    See the slide "Discredit a target"
    "Set up Honey Trap" "Write a blog purporting to be one of their victims" "Email / text their friends/ colleges etc."

    Do not use TOR. The software and foundation that wrote it are backdoored.

  2. Re: Rape sympathizers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not clear that the allegations against Assange are false. (It's not clear that they are true either.) What is clear is that Assange being pursued by Swedish authorities is purely political and that hey does have a legitimate fear of his extradition to the US should he face these allegations in Sweden - because Swedish authorities have an abysmal track record when it comes to handling sexual assault cases. That does not mean, however, that he didn't do it. You can be guilty of sexual assault _and_ be persecuted by the US government at the same time. (Also, obviously it doesn't mean he did do it, that's what a proper investigation would be for. I just don't have faith that in this case there is going to be an impartial one in either direction.)

    So please stop claiming that the allegations against Assange are false - you simply don't know that (and probably never will). They are as of yet unproven and you can make your point about Assange being targeted even if they happen to be true. (Because even if true the Swedish authorities would usually not have prosecuted him.)

    In re Applebaum I don't think there are any winners here. The website about him was just really ugly (in contrast to many other people here I don't hold the opinion that alleged sexual assault victims have to go to the police or shut up, because I know how problematic it can be to report to the police, and I do think it can be fair in coming forward to the press, but there's a way of doing that and this website isn't it), and people calling for his death via Twitter is beyond the pale. (Anyone uttering death threats has immediately disqualified themselves from any conversation.) On the other hand, a _lot_ of people that knew him thought he was capable of doing this (and not all of them are going to be infiltrators), so even if he turns out to be completely innocent (which is still not clear yet, only some allegations have been proven to be false, in others the jury is still out), he still doesn't come out as the hero of this story.

  3. Stop the Bullshit by allo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stop the Bullshit.

    We need tor. Tor needs developers. Tor needs developers, which work together.
    The best case for any agency is when the developers distrust each other and work against each other.
    Whatever Appelbaum did or did not do, it's not in our interest, that this stops the work for tor.

    Read this: https://cryptome.org/2012/07/g...
    Really read this. This list contains some of the things you're seeing here. How to disturb groups and prevent them from working efficicently, how to get them to fight each other instead of fighting their enemy.

    Keep your personal conflicts personal and continue to work against the threats we're facing.

  4. Re: Rape sympathizers by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Assange committed a "crime" that isn't a crime in the US. He lied to a woman to convince her to have sex with him. Apparently that's "rape" in Sweden, and not in the US. In addition to the non-crime (from an American perspective, assuming you are American), If the US media weren't a bunch of liars, it'd have been called "sexual misconduct" or the like, rather than "rape". It's not rape in any definition I've ever seen. To call it such, even if he's guilty is an insult to women who have been raped.

  5. Re:Rape sympathizers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My ears are still open for a more accurate term.

    That's missing the point. Instead of labelling, respond to the questions put and rebut the arguments made.

    What about rape cultures? You have no problem with presuming every time an assigned male starts conversation with a womyn-born-womyn that he's trying to rape her?

    That's not what rape culture is. I can explain it if you like, but it's probably easier if you just read the Wikipedia article about. Pay careful attention to the "Effects on Men" section. Rape culture theory holds that all men are NOT rapists, the exact opposite in fact, and that the stereotypes which pressure men to behave like that are part of what is called "toxic masculinity".

    It's literally the exact opposite of what you think.

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC