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Cloudflare Faces Lawsuit For Assisting Pirate Sites (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader shares a TorrentFreak report: In recent months CloudFlare has been called out repeatedly for offering its services to known pirate sites, including The Pirate Bay. These allegations have now resulted in the first lawsuit after adult entertainment publisher ALS Scan filed a complaint against CloudFlare at a California federal court. [...] Copyright holders are not happy with CloudFlare's actions. Just recently, the Hollywood-affiliated group Digital Citizens Alliance called the company out for helping pirate sites to stay online. Adult entertainment outfit ALS Scan agrees and has now become the first dissenter to take CloudFlare to court. In a complaint filed at a California federal court, ALS describes piracy as the greatest threat to its business. The rise of online piracy has significantly hurt the company's profits, they argue, noting that "pirate" sites are not the only problem. "The problems faced by ALS are not limited to the growing presence of sites featuring infringing content, or 'pirate' sites. A growing number of service providers are helping pirate sites thrive by supporting and engaging in commerce with these sites," ALS writes.

83 comments

  1. Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Dear ALS Scan,

    Stop exploiting women and get a fucking job.

    1. Re:Meh... by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 2

      Piracy isn't a threat to the porn industry. The porn industry is a threat to the porn industry. A billion porn sites... how many are selling licensed or original content? And how many are blatantly stealing? How many of these sites advertize by putting free videos up on XNXX with their logo on it? Where'd they get THOSE videos?

      Too much free content, and too much content stolen by other porn businesses. THAT is what is killing the porn industry.

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    2. Re:Meh... by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not sure. I'll investigate and let you know.

    3. Re:Meh... by ewibble · · Score: 2

      The porn industry isn't dead, dying or anywhere close, the staggering there is array of porn available, possibly too much.

      The problem is that these people see is that they can't make millions selling porn, well boo hoo. Your in business deal with the environment your are in, or fail.

      This industry is an example of how piracy although prevalent has not stopped a wide variety of content being produced.

    4. Re: Meh... by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as too much porn.

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    5. Re:Meh... by Panoptes · · Score: 2

      'Stop exploiting women and get a fucking job.'

      - But isn't that precisely what they've already got?

    6. Re:Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >they can't make easy millions boo hoo

      So basically the same ulterior motive behind the bitching in other copyright industries.

    7. Re: Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there *is* such a thing as chafing.

    8. Re:Meh... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      The problem is that these people see is that they can't make millions selling porn, well boo hoo.

      But...I put a naked girl in front of a $500 video camera and paid my nephew $50 to make a web site. Don't I deserve at least $500,000 for doing that?

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    9. Re: Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ehhh.... Pornhub does have WAY too much anal. So, you can't have too much porn, but you can have too much of one kind.

  2. Jana.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is she now ? This chick with Holly Sampson (Zoe at ALS Scan) were my two favorites

  3. Others To Sue by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Server companies sell servers that these pirates use, sue them also. Computer makers make computers that pirates use so sue them also. Networking companies provide the bandwidth for pirates to trade copyrighted files so sue them also. Hey, all of these things use electricity so let's sue the electric company also!

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    1. Re:Others To Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do we sue the supermarket for selling him food?
      Your argument would not likely sway a court.
      We will see how ALS does.
      The Law will allow you to go after people that help other people commit crimes.
      Aiding and abetting?
      Co-Conspirator.

      The Internet does not shield you from the law. People have been trying to work around the law for 1000's of years.

    2. Re:Others To Sue by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      With the most recent court victory against Cox Communications, the slippery slope just got as slippery as goose shit.

      This is just the tip of the iceberg with the copyright suits...

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    3. Re:Others To Sue by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Copyright infringement is illegal. If Cloudflare is providing a service to a company that LEO has identified as being an illegal operation and has been told to stop, then Cloudflare is aiding a criminal operation.

      I could see this law suit as having merit if Cloudflare has been made aware but continues to provide services to a company doing illegal things.

      But until then, Cloudflare is doing nothing wrong by providing a legal service.

      IANAL

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    4. Re:Others To Sue by tomkost · · Score: 1

      Great points, but why stop there? Electricity is made from coal (and other fossil fuels), so sue the coal mines, trucking companies and dinosaurs. My crappy business model sucks but it's everyone else's fault...

    5. Re:Others To Sue by tomkost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except it is not up to LEO to say what is illegal. They can only suggest to the court that something is illegal. Innocent until proven guilty. Also, piratebay is breaking no laws in this country as they are not a legal entity of this country. So in these cases, US companies are trying to extend legal reach beyond US borders and that not be legal.

    6. Re:Others To Sue by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      So do we sue the supermarket for selling him food?
      Your argument would not likely sway a court.
      We will see how ALS does.
      The Law will allow you to go after people that help other people commit crimes.
      Aiding and abetting?
      Co-Conspirator.

      The Internet does not shield you from the law. People have been trying to work around the law for 1000's of years.

      Hitler was a vegetarian therefore vegetarianism is anti-semitic.

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    7. Re:Others To Sue by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Ok, I misspoke.

      What I meant is: If a judge decides that a company is up to illegal activities and tells the company to stop then anyone working with that company in spite of this is aiding those illegal activities.

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    8. Re:Others To Sue by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Ok, I misspoke.

      What I meant is: If a judge decides that a company is up to illegal activities and tells the company to stop then anyone working with that company in spite of this is aiding those illegal activities.

      Not quite. The company can get shut down, but only those involved in the actual illegal activity will be prosecuted.

      Otherwise you'll have the janitor serving time for something they was completely unrelated to them.

      As such, ALS would have to prove the CloudFlare was involved as a conspirator in the illegal activity. Otherwise, CloudFlare has done nothing wrong other than sell there own services.

      So no, unless you can show that CloudFlare (or any company) for that matter was involved in the Copyright Infringement (or other illegal activity) then they are absolved of the supposed crime. For example, a bank holds a criminals money; is the bank then a legal conspirator (and therefore guilty) of murder for an Assassin? Or illegal drug possession or drug trafficking for a drug dealer? No. It's no different for CloudFlare and other companies; yes, they may help make websites and services more secure; but they're not participating in the crime itself in any form - no different from the bank.

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    9. Re:Others To Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forgot the content providers, sue them as well. They provided the content which the pirates used!

    10. Re:Others To Sue by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      As I said, I am not a lawyer.

      I do understand your point and I personally agree that CF is not in the wrong here IF they have no involvement.

      In the bank example, if a bank holds a criminals money and refuses to cease doing business with the criminal despite the bank's knowledge that the money is ill-gotten gains, then the bank has some culpability. No?

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    11. Re:Others To Sue by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      Ok, I misspoke.

      What I meant is: If a judge decides that a company is up to illegal activities and tells the company to stop then anyone working with that company in spite of this is aiding those illegal activities.

      Not quite. The company can get shut down, but only those involved in the actual illegal activity will be prosecuted.

      Otherwise you'll have the janitor serving time for something they was completely unrelated to them.

      As such, ALS would have to prove the CloudFlare was involved as a conspirator in the illegal activity. Otherwise, CloudFlare has done nothing wrong other than sell there own services.

      So no, unless you can show that CloudFlare (or any company) for that matter was involved in the Copyright Infringement (or other illegal activity) then they are absolved of the supposed crime. For example, a bank holds a criminals money; is the bank then a legal conspirator (and therefore guilty) of murder for an Assassin? Or illegal drug possession or drug trafficking for a drug dealer? No. It's no different for CloudFlare and other companies; yes, they may help make websites and services more secure; but they're not participating in the crime itself in any form - no different from the bank.

      You don't have to be convicted of an offence to have assets seized if you are 'supporting' an illegal endeavor; its called 'civil forfeiture'. Eg people who rent properties to drug dealers have been known to have had those properties seized without any conviction against them, just a conviction against the drug dealer and the presumption that the property owner 'should have' known about it and reported it to the police.

      Hell, even driving around in the USA with some cash in your car can result in that cash being seized by the police because its 'obvious drug money'. They don't even have to prove anything.

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    12. Re:Others To Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Eating vegetables makes you literally Hitler.

    13. Re:Others To Sue by Falos · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't be the first known case of these trigger-happy dumbfucks literally suing themselves.

    14. Re:Others To Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright infringement is illegal. If Cloudflare is providing a service to a company that LEO has identified as being an illegal operation and has been told to stop, then Cloudflare is aiding a criminal operation.

      Do you mean the way the Bush II Administration ignored the Department of Justice about waterboarding being torture and therefore illegal? Cloudflare is merely selling its hosting services and should not be liable for the content of its clients.

    15. Re:Others To Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to be convicted of an offence to have assets seized if you are 'supporting' an illegal endeavor; its called 'civil forfeiture'. Eg people who rent properties to drug dealers have been known to have had those properties seized without any conviction against them, just a conviction against the drug dealer and the presumption that the property owner 'should have' known about it and reported it to the police.

      Hell, even driving around in the USA with some cash in your car can result in that cash being seized by the police because its 'obvious drug money'. They don't even have to prove anything.

      The civil forfeiture laws are a lot like slavery was, from a legal ethics perspective (or, for another example, like the Jim Crow "laws"). It's something that everybody with a functioning brain understands is illegal, it violates the dual rights to ethical practice of law, and ethical government, both arising the 9th Amendment (rights retained by the people), and redundantly protected under the 10th (rights reserved to the people) - and yet it happens.

      There are even laws on the books that allow civil and criminal action against persons violating fundamental rights "under the colour of law" - some of which date back to the period immediately following the civil war.

      But just as was the case in the past, there are special interest groups that prevent the law from being implemented. The lawyers in particular are terrified of the 9th Amendment and the right to ethical practice of law, since so much of their profession depends upon things that are blatantly unethical: we have excessive law, we have overly complex law, we even have lots of contradictory law, and a whole host of other legal ethics problems.

      So the illegal practice of civil forfeiture - like so many other illegal things being done at various levels of government and in the legal system - will continue until enough people get pissed off about it. It took a massive Civil Rights movement to correct Jim Crow: it will likely take another massive effort to get government and the legal profession to start acting as the law already requires.

      The law enforcement officers, prosecutors, and judges engaged in illegal conduct associated with civil forfeiture - civil forfeiture is always illegal unless the money is clearly being used in a way that involve no conflict of interest, not even the appearance of such, and not involving any money laundering to try to make the dirty unethical money "clean" - are violating their oaths to uphold the law. In the case of the legal professionals, there are multiple violations. These people might want to study closely the historical events at a place called Nuremberg, because sooner or later they too are going to be held accountable for violations of the law - and it is not within the legal authority of government (as a consequence of rights arising under the 9th Amendment) to grant immunity or pardon in such cases.

    16. Re:Others To Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I said, I am not a lawyer.

      I do understand your point and I personally agree that CF is not in the wrong here IF they have no involvement.

      In the bank example, if a bank holds a criminals money and refuses to cease doing business with the criminal despite the bank's knowledge that the money is ill-gotten gains, then the bank has some culpability. No?

      Well, you'd have to have some pretty stupid execs to ask those kinds of questions...which banks pretty much don't ask.

      But...probably not unless under a court order to do otherwise.

  4. Spamford Wallace? by Y2K+is+bogus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This hearkens back to the mid-late 90's when Spamford Wallace was being courted by one sleazebag ISP after another. As long as he paid them handsomely, they would ignore abuse complaints. Until the blacklists came about. Someone suggested yesterday about resurrecting the Usenet Death Penalty for Cloudflare, because of their blatant protection for sleazy companies (they were talking about the company that is serving malicious ads on Slashot, that do a full page overlay and redirect you to a scam site, of which it's particularly invasive on a mobile device).

    1. Re: Spamford Wallace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! We need more relevant posts like this one to alert us to the black lies! Wake up sheeple! Black people most likely are trying to attack cloudfare just like they lied about the flat earth, chem trails, lizard people, and this comment proves it.

    2. Re:Spamford Wallace? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Someone suggested yesterday about resurrecting the Usenet Death Penalty for Cloudflare

      So how's that suppose to work again? It's not like Cloudflare is propagating it's posted websites to other servers that they can block. You might be able to cut them off from their upstream backbone provider(s), but I think that sets really dangerous precedent for those backbones. And if individual ISPs start blocking, you can already see the shit storm forming regarding net neutrality.

    3. Re:Spamford Wallace? by Y2K+is+bogus · · Score: 1

      Create DNS entries in your ISP DNS server that blackholes anything that resolves to Cloudflare. Some ISPs have a far reaching grasp, and Google operates a widely used public DNS server 8.8.8.8.

    4. Re: Spamford Wallace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice bonnet you're wearing. Oh, hang on, excuse me while I just reach over and ... there we are, see, you had a huge angry bee in it, such an ugly creature. That's better isn't it? Much calmer now eh?

    5. Re:Spamford Wallace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why exactly is this the ISP's problem? As if going for Cloudflare wasn't bad enough now you're going after another innocent third party.

    6. Re: Spamford Wallace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave my bee alone, you... you apist!

  5. Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sex work is a noble empowering choice!

    1. Re:Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's not, because women are incapable of giving consent or controlling their own lives!

    2. Re: Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're able to - when it's convenient. Funny, I don't see feminist groups complaining about how unfair and sexist the Selective Service is.

    3. Re: Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wot dat?

    4. Re: Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that the Selective Service will start requiring female registration in the future, right? The rules have already been changed, but the 'start date' is still in the future (and I'm too lazy to google it for you.)

  6. Cloudflare = criminals by nicesecurity · · Score: 2

    Who cares about pirate sites. However their refusal to take down booters and other criminal services because they are for "freedom of speech" *COUGH COUGH* should have lead them to the court a while ago.

    1. Re:Cloudflare = criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Check out this recent list of DDoS/"Stresser"/"Booter" websites proudly hosted by CloudFlare:

      alphastress.com, anonymous-stresser.net, aurastresser.com, beststresser.com, boot4free.com, booter.eu, booter.org, booter.xyz, bullstresser.com, buybooters.com, cnstresser.com, connectionstresser.com, crazyamp.me, critical-boot.com, cstress.net, cyberstresser.org, darkstresser.info, darkstresser.net, databooter.com, ddos-fighter.com, ddos-him.com, ddos.city, ddosbreak.com, ddosclub.com, ddostheworld.com, defcon.pro, destressbooter.com, destressnetworks.com, diamond-stresser.net, diebooter.com, diebooter.net, down-stresser.com, downthem.org, exitus.to, exostress.in, free-boot.xyz, freebooter4.me, freestresser.xyz, grimbooter.com, heavystresser.com, hornystress.me, iddos.net, inboot.me, instabooter.com, ipstresser.co, ipstresser.com, jitterstresser.com, k-stress.pw, layer-4.com, layer7.pw, legionboot.com, logicstresser.net, mercilesstresser.com, mystresser.com, netbreak.ec, netspoof.net, networkstresser.com, neverddos.com, nismitstresser.net, onestress.com, onestresser.net, parabooter.com, phoenixstresser.com, pineapple-stresser.com, powerstresser.com, privateroot.fr, purestress.net, quantumbooter.net, quezstresser.com, ragebooter.net, rawlayer.com, reafstresser.ga, restricted-stresser.info, routerslap.com, sharkstresser.com, signalstresser.com, silence-stresser.com, skidbooter.info, spboot.net, stormstresser.net, str3ssed.me, stressboss.net, stresser.club, stresser.in, stresser.network, stresser.ru, stresserit.com, synstress.net, titaniumbooter.net, titaniumstresser.net, topstressers.com, ts3booter.net, unseenbooter.com, vbooter.org, vdos-s.com, webbooter.com, webstresser.co, wifistruggles.com, xboot.net, xr8edstresser.com, xtreme.cc, youboot.net

      If CloudFlare would stop providing bulletproof hosting for criminals and spammers, the internet would be a better place. But CloudFlare apparently loves its criminal customers. DDoS purveyors, terrorist websites, malware distributors, CloudFlare seems to welcome them all to its hive of scum and villainy. Maybe it's time to revive the concept of the Usenet Death Penalty and apply it to all traffic to and from CloudFlare. They're the sewer of the internet and should be null routed and de-peered.

      See also: CloudFlare Watch

    2. Re: Cloudflare = criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation: waaaaah! Mommy!

    3. Re: Cloudflare = criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look, a Trumpeter came out to play. Did God Daddy give you the day off from /r/The_Donald?

  7. Cloudflare diagnosed with ALS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's terrible!

  8. sue linux and MS as they make the os that run on t by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    sue linux and MS as they make the os that run on 99.99% of the servers

  9. This angers me by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I looked up ALS Scan and did some research. News of this lawsuit has me sitting here just shaking my fist.

    1. Re:This angers me by lhowaf · · Score: 1

      I know I shouldn't laugh at this...so I didn't.

  10. do they stand a chance ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how big is the chance that a judge will NOT say "just go get an injunction against the pirate sites you have a beef with, after that we can discuss whether Cloudflare can still provide services to them"

  11. Not Cloud Flare's Problem by NotARealUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I had massive crime on the street I lived on, my responsibility would be to protect myself and my property.

    Imagine that during that crime spree a a local business owner told me that a thief (that had robbed the business down the street) hid in my basement and would not leave. If the business owner came over and said "there is a thief hiding in your basement and I want to get him". I would refuse entry. I would tell him to call the police. If I did my own internal investigation and found that a thief might be hiding there, I would also choose to call the police.

    However, under no foreseeable circumstances would I let the business owner in to deal with the criminal. Furthermore, if the business owner continuously asked me to check for thieves, it would be a great inconvenience for me. I would tell them to take a hike and call the police if you have real evidence.

    If you really think you have a case, get a prosecutor to go after CloudFlare. Until then, CloudFlare has every right to deal with it internally or just ignore the issue.

    We have seen companies using the guise of DMCA violations for sabotaging competition, corporate espionage, and more. If I were CloudFlare, I would also do all I could to remain the neutral party and just focus on serving paying customers.

    1. Re:Not Cloud Flare's Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now lets say the Thief Moves in and you feed him and cloth him.
      He now Robs people in the area to pay you back.
      Are you aiding and abetting?
      Why did YOU not can the Police?
      Why did you not force him to leave?

    2. Re:Not Cloud Flare's Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in your example every landlord who happens to rent an apartment to a thief should be charged with aiding and abetting?

      What about the person who sold the thief groceries? Or clothes? Are they aiding and abetting too?

    3. Re:Not Cloud Flare's Problem by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      This is very different. It's a known criminal so you are actively making the decision to help them.

    4. Re:Not Cloud Flare's Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction:

      The alleged thief who your crazy neighbor keeps making accusations against.

    5. Re:Not Cloud Flare's Problem by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      So in your example every landlord who happens to rent an apartment to a thief should be charged with aiding and abetting?

      What about the person who sold the thief groceries? Or clothes? Are they aiding and abetting too?

      yeah... in the USA thats going to be civil forfeiture for 'proceeds of crime'.

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    6. Re:Not Cloud Flare's Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is he a known criminal? He's not been arrested yet. He's not been charged yet.

    7. Re:Not Cloud Flare's Problem by MeNeXT · · Score: 1

      How do you know he's a thief? Is there a judgement against him? I will ask one more simple question, How do you know that CD, DVD or Video that you downloaded was distributed legally. Did you read the license? Sony was selling compilations that it had not acquired a license to sell. Why did we not prosecute all the individuals who purchased these unlicensed work? How many times have we seen DMCA take down notices for work that is coming from an unauthorized source?

      I as a landlord would not call the police because you told me that my tenant stole something. If you have an accusation to make call the police yourself or just shut up. Copyright fines are high enough to pay your legal fees.

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  12. The NSA and FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    will step in and make sure nothing happens to CloudFlare, their favorite and biggest man-in-the-middle on the Internet. You can imagine what a trove of information they're hoovering up by offering this service, can't you? Do you really think NSA and FBI would let some money-grubbing Hollywood executives obliterate CloudFlare in court?

  13. lAME. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is stoopid..
    like penthouse says, "no one ddos's us like our selves"

    Porn, piracy

    really??

    clik bait

  14. Cloudflare is highly visible by subanark · · Score: 1

    I think one of the reasons they got targeted is their gateway page which guards against DDOS is in user's face and it is obvious the service is on cloudflare. It isn't so obvious which cloud, if any, is hosting the site.

    1. Re:Cloudflare is highly visible by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      It isn't so obvious which cloud, if any, is hosting the site.

      Or which flare, if any, is involved in criminal aiding and abetting.

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    2. Re:Cloudflare is highly visible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't so obvious which cloud, if any, is hosting the site.

      Or which flare, if any, is involved in criminal aiding and abetting.

      Maybe ALS should actually find violations instead of trying to DDOS them off the internet.

  15. Can't they just sue The Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem for them is the Internet which is designed for people to share data.

    I would sue The Internet until it went out of business. They should do the same.

  16. Uh, what? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Adult entertainment outfit ALS Scan agrees and has now become the first dissenter to take CloudFlare to court.

    I hope writing that caused the author as great a headache to write as reading it caused me.

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  17. Re:sue linux and MS as they make the os that run o by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    And don't forget to sue Intel and AMD for running all the software involved, every step of the way from the server to the end user.

  18. Double standards much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Cloudflare is responsible for all of this stolen porn, I think, just to be fair, the porn industry should be responsible for all costs related to destroyed marriages that were the result of porn.

  19. The right side unfortunatly is a bad actor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ALS has found a very unsympathetic defendant to go after. While I think CloudFlare is on the right side of this issue, I was once infected by their captcha. After hours and hours of trying different anti-virus scans that never detected it, the CloudFlare captcha infection stopped. I still to this day don't know how mbam removed CloudFlare, but although the report claimed there was nothing found, I was finally able to visit websites again. If ALS is able to bring up this despicable behavior it will certainly influence the decision.

    1. Re:The right side unfortunatly is a bad actor by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      There is so much wrong with this post, I don't even know where to begin, so I'll just highlight it with this reply so that others who might be able to step in and correct your understanding of the situation might take note and do so...

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
  20. Small fry by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    Sure there is more $$$ is frivolous lawsuits in the US but the biggest pir8 is Baidu and they do not care what a US judge thinks.

  21. The Yo-Yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The older I get, the more I see how stupid the yo-yo is. I would like to share with you what the yo-yo is:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoyo

  22. In related news... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Movie studios are guilty of enabling pirates by actually making movies that get pirated; DVD and camcorder makers are guilty for making things that can be used by pirates; network providers are guilty for providing the bandwidth used by pirates, etc...

    "You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order!" -- or so I heard somewhere.

    --
    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  23. Greatest threat to its business by PPH · · Score: 1

    Cam whores.

    Posting nude selfies for free instead of making all the basement dwellers go to the pay sites for pron.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  24. Ice bucket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CloudFlare just needs to take the ice bucket challenge. Isn't that the way to fight ALS?

  25. Progressive Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At this point, should I mention that consistently for a long time like 99% of the time one of those captcha/ad puzzles are for Progressive Insurance. So, indirectly, they've paid the cost for me to download JAV and PSX isos. Does that mean they get to be sued? Please say yes! :)

  26. Cloudflare is a man in the middle attack. by danda · · Score: 2

    Cloudflare is a giant man in the middle attack happening 24/7/365 all over the internet.

    Don' you find it strange they can insert captchas and other pages into what is supposedly a secure connection between you and the website you are visiting? Say, your favorite bitcoin exchange, for example.

    That's because the SSL cert was issued for cloudflare's server, not the website server. After that, the traffic between cloudflare and the website may not even be encrypted at all.

    But even if it encrypted, it means that cloudflare with its 1000+ employees can view, sniff, log, alter every bit of communication in both directions.

    In other words, that little lock icon by the URL in your browser.... completely useless. Because the website has broken your trust by delegating the cert to cloudflare.

    Remind me again why people seem to think this is a good thing...

    1. Re:Cloudflare is a man in the middle attack. by Dangerous_Minds · · Score: 1

      May I ask what websites can do to stop DDOS attacks then?

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    2. Re:Cloudflare is a man in the middle attack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incapsula does the same thing. if you visit a site and see that its got an Incapsula IP address, view the cert and see just which companies are using it (their hostnames are all listed under the subjectAltName field.)

    3. Re:Cloudflare is a man in the middle attack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fail2ban is a good starting point.

    4. Re:Cloudflare is a man in the middle attack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cloudflare sucks for Tor users. CF inserts an annoying captcha page whenever a tor user first visits a site. It's gotten to the point where I actively avoid viewing sites that use CF. They are breaking the internet.

  27. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask for anti porn legislation.