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NASA's Voyager 2 Flew By Saturn 35 Years Ago Today (space.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Space.com: Thirty-five years ago today, a NASA spacecraft got an up-close look at beautiful, enigmatic Saturn. On Aug. 25, 1981, the Voyager 2 probe zoomed within 26,000 miles (41,000 kilometers) of the ringed planet's cloud tops. The discoveries made by Voyager 2 -- and by its twin, Voyager 1, which had flown past Saturn nine months earlier -- reshaped scientists' understanding of the Saturn system and planted the seed for NASA's Cassini mission, which began orbiting the ringed planet in 2004, NASA officials said. Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 launched a few weeks apart in 1977, tasked with performing a "grand tour" of the solar system's big planets -- Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. The two spacecraft accomplished that goal, eyeing all four gaseous worlds up close, and also studying 48 of their moons. (Voyager 1 flew past Jupiter and Saturn, while Voyager 2 had close encounters with all four planets.) The Voyagers weren't the first spacecraft to fly by Saturn; that distinction belongs to NASA's Pioneer 11 probe, which did so in 1979. But the Voyagers broke a lot of new ground; they discovered four new Saturn moons, for example, and revealed an incredible diversity of landscapes on satellites such as Dione, Tethys and Iapetus, NASA officials said. August 25th appears to be a good day for nerds. You can view some out-of-this-world photos from NASA's Voyager 1 and 2 probes here.

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  1. Still going, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not as newsworthy as Voyager 1's interstellar data, but Voyager 2 is also heading out of the solar system on it's "Interstellar Mission", it is expected to be able to provide measurements of interstellar plasma density & temperature once it's out there.

    1. Re: Still going, too by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      So Thats where the backup CD went!

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    2. Re:Still going, too by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      and a ton more anniversaries! Just look at how many times we can celebrate it having left the solar system!

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  2. Congrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To chief engineer Fritz Posterman.

    1. Re:Congrats by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 0

      Who's that??

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    2. Re: Congrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chief Engineer.

      Dumbass.

  3. Relativeness by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Informative

    After all these years, Voyager 2 is only 15 light-hours from Earth (Voyager 1 is 18 lh). Even if the newest probes may go somewhat faster, reaching the closest star (4.2 light-years) is a long way to go.

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    1. Re:Relativeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and it is probably not going to the closest star at all and will fly for billions of years, without even encountering a dust mote, never mind a star.

    2. Re: Relativeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wake me up when Voyager 6 gets back.

    3. Re:Relativeness by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those who don't want to do the math, there's a 8760 light hours in a light year. So the furthest craft from earth is only 0.2% of the way to the closest star.

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    4. Re:Relativeness by plopez · · Score: 1

      But I saw it come back as VGER!

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    5. Re:Relativeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who don't want to do the math, there's a 8760 light hours in a light year. So the furthest craft from earth is only 0.2% of the way to the closest star.

      18 lh is 0.2% of 1 ly.

      Proxima Centauri is 4.2 ly away, so 18 lh is actually only ~0.05% of the total distance.

    6. Re:Relativeness by npslider · · Score: 1

      Take me to the Creator!

  4. Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    These were amazing missions that provided a TON of data and knowledge for the price.

    With modern tech, do the same missions, same planets, new info!

    1. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      With modern tech, do the same missions, same planets, new info!

      Voyager took advantage of an alignment of the planets that only occurs once every 175 years or so. A similar mission won't happen for a long time. Meanwhile, New Horizons just buzzed Pluto, and is now heading into the Kuiper Belt.

    2. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      NASA stuff has been morphed by Congress into a source of pork. The folks in Congress hem and haw about which states get to build components. It's like a horse and donkey trading show, "OK, so my state will build the engines, your state will build the avionics, and your state will sell the television rights".

      Just give NASA the money, and let them decide who is best to deliver.

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    3. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Informative

      A flyby is acceptable for a first mission. The science data from Voyager answered some questions, but also raised lots of new questions. To answer these, we went for orbiting missions that would spend far longer at the planet, using better instruments, and new instruments inspired by the Voyager science return.

      Flybys have big drawbacks: you only get a few hours of observation time, so you can't study patterns that occur over long periods (seasonal changes, for example). You can't even see the entire surface of the planet (unless you get lucky and the planet rotates really quickly).

      For Jupiter and Saturn, we've had several orbiters now (e.g. Galileo, Ulysses, Cassini, Juno) and we've amassed far more knowledge than flybys could ever give us.

      Uranus and Neptune haven't had dedicated missions yet, but that might change soon.

      Voyager 3 and 4 were planned initially, by the way (identical to Voyager 1 and 2, with mission plans that included Pluto). They fell to budget cuts (early '70s, NASA was elbow-deep in expensive Apollo missions).

    4. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by necro81 · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile, New Horizons just buzzed Pluto, and is now heading into the Kuiper Belt.

      What is more, New Horizons did a flyby of Jupiter on its way to the outer solar system - quite similar to Voyager. However, this was not in the prime science mission, so they didn't gather all the data they could, it was really more a system test to make sure that they could take useful data.

    5. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Just give NASA the money, and let them decide who is best to deliver.

      As much as I like and respect the folks at NASA, I wouldn't hand ANY government agency a blank check or leave them to do whatever they want with the money. Money corrupts and the good folks at NASA aren't immune. I trust NASA more than most but not that much. That said you do have a valid point that Congress is getting in the way too much. How to solve this I'm not sure. I do think increasing NASA funding and keeping them focused on science, exploration and advanced technology research would be hugely worthwhile.

    6. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      NASA has ALWAYS been about the pork and the distribution of federal funds.

      Check out the history of the early years (e.g., https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/sql01). For example, why would you build a space center in Texas? Because the VP and a high-ranking member of Congress's budget committee were from Texas, of course.

      "On September 19, 1961, Administrator James E. Webb of NASA formally announced that the new Manned Spacecraft Center would be built in southeastern Harris County, Texas, about twenty-five miles from downtown Houston, at the edge of Clear Lake, an inlet of Galveston Bay. Rice University was to transfer a 1,000-acre tract to the federal government for the construction of the center. Civic leaders and congressmen from other states doubted that Houston and environs met all of NASA's official criteria, at least any more than their towns did. They inquired about the roles of Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, chairman of the high-level National Aeronautics and Space Council, and Representative Albert Thomas, also a Democrat and Texan and chairman of the Independent Offices Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, in the choice of the Harris County site."

    7. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      That said you do have a valid point that Congress is getting in the way too much. How to solve this I'm not sure.

      Limit them to a single term in a specific office. But, we can start by removing party affiliation from the ballot. That alone will probably lead to more churn than any other single change other than hard term limits. It would certainly change the face of politics in the US.

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    8. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Houston was chosen because the oil and gas industry was viewed as the most technically innovative. The government wanted to capitalize on the heavy concentration of top engineers the country had to offer.

    9. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just give NASA the money, and let them decide who is best to deliver.

      But this would deny congress their unalienable rights to graft and corruption.

    10. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by plopez · · Score: 1

      Budget cuts.

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    11. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather see a stream of standardized, "cheap" Gallileo / Cassini / Juno style orbiters permanently stationed around all the major planets, ensuring that we don't miss any transient events.

    12. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Budget cuts.

      We seem to have the money for more tanks and aircraft carriers...

      Voyager was cheap! Build one less Aircraft Carrier and double NASA's budget!

    13. Re:Why haven't we done Voyager 3 and 4? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      For an idea of how much that alignment helped, here's the crazy path Pioneer 11 took from Jupiter to Saturn without the benefit of alignment. Instead of flying from Jupiter's orbit to Saturn's orbit, it had to fly almost to the opposite side of the solar system to intercept Saturn. Nearly 5 years, compared to approx 2 years for Voyagers 1/2.

      Original paper describing the travel benefits of the alignment.

  5. Great Songs Will Be Written! by EzInKy · · Score: 0

    Great songs will be written about all the machines that steeled themselves against the hazards of space travel in order to expand the understanding of their overlords who hunkered down safely in their bunkers.

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  6. I know slashdot is usually behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    but 35 years!?

    1. Re:I know slashdot is usually behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone probably just posted it to piss off that space nutter guy. space-related shit makes him flip out. its pretty funny.

    2. Re:I know slashdot is usually behind by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      but 35 years!?

      It has something to do with Einstein's relativity. Slashdot is moving faster than the speed of light. Or maybe the rest of the world is moving faster than the speed of light. At any rate 35 years comes out of the equation.

      I think.

      Maybe.

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    3. Re:I know slashdot is usually behind by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Thirty five years and a day.

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    4. Re:I know slashdot is usually behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it doesn't. What makes me flip out is nuttery shit like this

      " Let's not forget that humanity has a guaranteed expiration date if we don't find a way to permanently colonize places outside of Earth."

      http://www.fark.com/comments/9269570/Chinas-new-ambitious-space-program-to-include-rovers-on-Mars-that-will-be-sneaking-up-on-US-European-rovers-by-2020-to-pinch-them-in-arse-rub-them-in-sprockets-while-hacking-their-data

      How we go from taking pictures of dead rocks taken by robotic cameras, to pseudo-religious horseshit about Mankind's Glorious Manifest Destiny, that's nuttery.

  7. Re:I don't approve of Voyager Missions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Explain how one can perceive "obvious subtle" overtones.

    Please explain this thoroughly and be *** specific ***.

    Too many people on the internet post anonymous stuff like this then just leave, and don't explain their position.

    Please be *** specific ***.

  8. Re:I don't approve of Voyager Missions by Maritz · · Score: 0

    He thinks he's making some incredibly wry point about "sjw"s no doubt, and how they seem to take exception with things. He's no doubt congratulating himself on how hilarious he is right at this moment.

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  9. mission to icy giants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i still miss a mission to uranus. (and neptune, of course)

    i mean proper mission, like cassini, not just flyby.

  10. Leaves out the important story by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Funny

    This is nice and all, but it leaves out the important story - what kind of shirt was the spokeman wearing when he made the announcement? We all know, from empirical experience, that this issue is far more important than any mind-shattering science that could have been done that day.

    If you can force a rocket scientist, celebrating the accomplishment of a lifetime, to cry and grovel and beg forgiveness on international TV for wearing a shirt, you are not unempowered.

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  11. Thank you editors by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    As usual, "today" means "yesterday" on Slashdot. And without "today" meaning "today" this story is pretty much worthless (we all knew about the fly-by).

    Better yet would have been to give us a "tomorrow" or "day after next" story, so we could have planned our fly-by parties.

    Oh I wish I were a Slashdot editor. I could still live the life of a slacker, but get paid for it.

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  12. Is 35 some magic number? by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I can understand celebrations at 25 years and 50 etc
    or 32 for binary freaks

    1. Re: Is 35 some magic number? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is: 35 is the magic number at which IT folks reach expiration date and are escorted out by security, never to be employed again. Ever.

    2. Re:Is 35 some magic number? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      For a guy who recently turned 40...it kind of is. I was just old enough to remember this news and it spurred a five-year obsession with astronomy and rocketry.

    3. Re:Is 35 some magic number? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      The Voyagers are among the best space achievements, so anytime is a good time to remind us NASA did very good. Maybe not 32 since there is not enough binary freaks, but a multiple of 5 sounds good, like the wedding anniversaries.

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    4. Re:Is 35 some magic number? by PPH · · Score: 1

      celebrations at 25 years

      This is just Slashdot being 10 years late.

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  13. Re:I don't approve of Voyager Missions by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    I can tell you specifically what he means in a general sense. It was sarcasm.

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  14. Voyager eh? by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

    V'ger is pleased with the Creator and would like them to run more missions to the larger planets.

    1. Re:Voyager eh? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      V'ger is pleased with the Creator and would like them to run more missions to the larger planets.

      A carbon unit infestation in interfering with the Creator. Send a probe to the Creator's home planet to render aid.

  15. Thought we'd have colonies on Mars by 1981 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Growing up in the 1960s I thought by 1981 we'd have colonies on Mars as well as the moon. We'd have a massive centrifugal space station orbiting earth and by 2016 we'd start to fly craft in outer-space the size of an aircraft carrier. Plus we'd all be wearing v-neck sweaters, silver boots, and have diner out of a tube;) I guess it was unrealistic for a bunch of reasons. First was we didn't appreciate how far ahead Werner von Braun was and the fact that the brilliance of Nazi engineers was so far ahead of its time, evil as it's original usage was. Nor how expensive it really was to operate single use Saturn Vs and shuttles. Really we were not staged for more advancement, instead we needed to perfect what they started over decades. Secondly, we didn't realize the much of the planets around us are basically deserts with not much for raw materials to drive commercial development. If the moon was covered with bauxite, ice, platinum, and uranium then there would be a compelling comical driver as well as a way to stage space travel from there. But on the surface at least the moon is useless and Mars isn't exactly a gold mine either. Oh well, maybe SpaceX change change the whole dynamic.

    1. Re:Thought we'd have colonies on Mars by 1981 by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Cyberspace is a much richer and promising environment.

    2. Re:Thought we'd have colonies on Mars by 1981 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant "commercial" driver not "comical"... Though it would have been amusing to see Henny Youngman and Soupy Sales on the moon... :))

    3. Re:Thought we'd have colonies on Mars by 1981 by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Didn't you get the memo? Mars will always be 20 years away and so far that schedule has been consistent for past 50 years. We no longer talk about the Moon because if we did (it is only 3 days away) then someone has to come up with some serious money to build a transfer vehicle and lander now. Nobody from Musk to NASA wants to do that so they present Mars plans (and let some other smucks 20 years into the future to come up with money for transfer vehicle and lander).

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    4. Re:Thought we'd have colonies on Mars by 1981 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, ha... Yes that is so true! And the flying car is about 10 years off on the horizon too?

    5. Re:Thought we'd have colonies on Mars by 1981 by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      AFAIK a Falcon 9 Heavy rocket can do a manned orbital lunar mission in a single launch. The Russians could do it with the Proton rocket (Zond program), with technology available in the 1960s, and the Falcon 9 Heavy has more launch capacity than the Proton. The first Falcon 9 Heavy rocket should launch this year or next.

      Developing the lander is easy. SpaceX already designed the SuperDracos for the Dragon V2 capsule. First launch for the capsule supposed to happen next year. The transfer vehicle doesn't sound particularly hard to design either if you start with the Falcon 9 Heavy upper stage and the Dragon V2 capsule.

    6. Re:Thought we'd have colonies on Mars by 1981 by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      PS: a manned lunar landing mission could be done with a simultaneous launch of two rockets (can't remember if you need two Falcon 9 Heavies or you can do it with a Falcon 9 Heavy and a regular Falcon 9). This should be possible once SpaceX has their Texas launch site operating in addition to their existing Cape Canaveral launch site. The cost of the rockets for the launch could be quite small if SpaceX reused the lower stages from prior launches.

      ULA could also pull it off in theory if they wanted to. The original EELV designs included the Delta 4 Heavy and Atlas 5 Heavy configurations which should have enough payload capacity as well. They would need to modify the launch sites for manned launches and re-certify their launchers for manned missions. But the Atlas 5 is supposed to launch the Boeing capsule for NASA in a couple of years anyway.

  16. Those were the days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My grandfather was the Voyager Spacecraft Systems Manager, and when I was a kid he used to bring me so much fascinating pictures and things from work.

  17. Term limits by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Limit them to a single term in a specific office.

    A nice idea but then you end up with a bunch of people in office that don't even know where the restroom is much less how to get anything done. If someone is doing a good job I'm fine with them serving more than one term. However I don't think they need to serve more than 4 terms in the House, 2 terms as president or two terms as Senator. Churn just for the sake of churn is pointless. But I don't think we need people serving in congress for multiple decades either.

    But, we can start by removing party affiliation from the ballot.

    Will never ever happen. Waste of time to even ponder. HOWEVER it would be possible to eliminate gerrymandering which would have a similarly positive effect on turnover and in keeping extremists out of office.

  18. How can it? It has flown for only 34.8 years! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    The on board clocks very accurately calculate that it has been flying for only 34.8 [*] years. How could it have flown past Jupitor 35 years ago?

    [*] I am using the formula dleta_t=(sqrt(1 - (v/c)^2) + poetic_license(liberal_dose)).

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  19. The stars of the Saturn system are the moons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The stars of the Saturn system are the moons, which surprised all of us on both the Voyager and Cassini missions," Cassini project scientist Linda Spilker, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, said in the same statement. (Spilker was also a member of the Voyager science team.)

    Well now I am confused (and also surprised)...

  20. Why Houston? by XXongo · · Score: 1

    Actually, Houston was chosen because land was cheap, and because of the proximity of the site to the canal passage to the Gulf of Mexico, to allow shipping large rocket boosters to the cape by barge.

    Of course, they ended up not manufacturing large rocket boosters at Johnson, so that turned out to be unnecessary and irrelevant. You might suggest that this requirement, that the site have barge accessibility to the Atlantic, was put in place for no reason other than to make the Texas site competitive. But, who would argue that?

  21. Ooooo-booooo-boooooo-boooooo-boooooooo!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me not know Chief Engineer. What tribe he from?

    He smoke-um peace pipe?

  22. Re:I don't approve of Voyager Missions by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    "Value Signalling" requires no defense, for the SJW crowd, all you have to do is indicate you have the "correct" opinions. Having a logical justification or rationale for holding the opinion is superfluous. Ut's enough just to show you have the opinion to get your credibility