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Ubuntu Linux 16.10 'Yakkety Yak' Beta 1 Now Available For Download (betanews.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the new-release dept.

An anonymous reader quotes a report from BetaNews: Today, the first beta of Ubuntu Linux 16.10 sees release. Once again, a silly animal name is assigned, this time being the letter "Y" for the horned mammal, "Yakkety Yak." This is also a play on the classic song "Yakety Yak" by The Coasters. Please be sure not to "talk back" while testing this beta operating system! "Pre-releases of the Yakkety Yak are not encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage. They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu flavor developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting and fixing bugs as we work towards getting this bos grunniens ready. Beta 1 includes a number of software updates that are ready for wider testing. These images are still under development, so you should expect some bugs," says Set Hallstrom, Ubuntu Studio project lead. He adds: "While these Beta 1 images have been tested and work, except as noted in the release notes, Ubuntu developers are continuing to improve the Yakkety Yak. In particular, once newer daily images are available, system installation bugs identified in the Beta 1 installer should be verified against the current daily image before being reported in Launchpad. Using an obsolete image to re-report bugs that have already been fixed wastes your time and the time of developers who are busy trying to make 16.10 the best Ubuntu release yet. Always ensure your system is up to date before reporting bugs." Here are the following download links: Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Studio.

92 comments

  1. Ubuntu 16.10 breaks bash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait no, that's the Windows 10 update breaking PowerShell.

    Carry on.

  2. ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PROTIP: Never stray from an Ubuntu LTS release.

    Dump-a-Drumpf 2016/Forever.

    1. Re:ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PROTIP: Never use any Ubuntu release..

    2. Re:ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PROTIP: Using "Drumpf" immediately outs yourself as a moron.

    3. Re:ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using "PROTIP" and "yourself" immediately outs you as a moron.

  3. Don't Talk Back! by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please be sure not to "talk back" while testing this beta operating system!

    I thought Canonical stopped listening to user feedback years ago anyway.

    1. Re: Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Ubuntu cared about user feedback, they'd stop their nagging of 14.04 users to install 16.04. The nagging is far worse than anything Microsoft did to try to force users onto Windows 10.

    2. Re:Don't Talk Back! by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please be sure not to "talk back" while testing this beta operating system!

      I thought Canonical stopped listening to user feedback years ago anyway.

      They listen, the problem is just that they think they know better. If they really knew better though there wouldn't be so many fucking "spins" on the default distro. You don't see that shit with any other distro, Fedora has one or two, Arch has a couple but I don't think that's apples to apples since Arch is just a base for others to build on.

      Pride and arrogance are killing Ubuntu. I have a lot of love for what Ubuntu stood for once upon a time. I just wish they would get back to that and start working with the community again.

    3. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Pre-releases of the Yakkety Yak are not encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage. They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu flavor developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting and fixing bugs as we work towards getting this bos grunniens ready. Beta 1 includes a number of software updates that are ready for wider testing. These images are still under development, so you should expect some bugs," says Set Hallstrom, Ubuntu Studio project lead. He adds: "While these Beta 1 images have been tested and work, except as noted in the release notes, Ubuntu developers are continuing to improve the Yakkety Yak. In particular, once newer daily images are available, system installation bugs identified in the Beta 1 installer should be verified against the current daily image before being reported in Launchpad. Using an obsolete image to re-report bugs that have already been fixed wastes your time and the time of developers who are busy trying to make 16.10 the best Ubuntu release yet. Always ensure your system is up to date before reporting bugs."

      So... there may be some bugs then? I was a little unclear on that point.

      Anyhow, it's great that the article talks about the silly name of the release, the song it's named after, and about how buggy it is, rather than talking about what sort of new features come with the latest and greatest bugs. I mean, no one gives a crap about boring things like that, right? Or did I miss a link somewhere?

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    4. Re: Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and no. I'd argue it's easier to make a desktop distro with Ubuntu as a base, at the very least, easier for the end user. Ubuntu has mass as far as Linux is concerned. It makes things easier to find answers to as a n00b if those answers translate directly to your distro.

      Even different directory structures can make things hard for people new to Linux (or computing). "Where do I install my app thing I just downloaded? ... And... How do I install it??"

      One could also argue it was easiest for the same sort of reasons to build Ubuntu as a fork of Debian.

      FWIW- I don't like Ubuntu but I do like Debian.

    5. Re: Don't Talk Back! by geek · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. I'd argue it's easier to make a desktop distro with Ubuntu as a base,

      I dunno. The arch documentation is top notch. That distro is amazing as far as user education goes. Basing on Arch is possibly the smartest thing a distro can do from a documentation standpoint.

      * very drunk so please excuse typos and grammar.

    6. Re:Don't Talk Back! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Anyway, not having a system dressed up in such a yakky name is a sufficient reason not to upgrade.

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    7. Re: Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I reckon you've never had a look at the uodate manager options?

    8. Re:Don't Talk Back! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Please be sure not to "talk back" while testing this beta operating system!

      I thought Canonical stopped listening to user feedback years ago anyway.

      They listen, the problem is just that they think they know better. ... I just wish they would get back to that and start working with the community again.

      Ya. Good thing that doesn't happen elsewhere... (cough) systemd (cough)

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    9. Re:Don't Talk Back! by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      Unpopular opinion: I like Unity. have tried KDE3, Gnome2, Gnome3, XFCE, even FVWM and a couple of oddball window managers, and overall Unity is ok. Reasonably simple, stays out of the way. I think in the long run it's an improvement over the systems used by the "we've always done like that" crowd, and it has helped a lot bringing Linux on the desktop of the average user. I also like systemd.

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    10. Re: Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get back to us when they unilaterally install the upgrade because you didn't proactively disable the hidden setting to tell them not to.

    11. Re:Don't Talk Back! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      If they really knew better though there wouldn't be so many fucking "spins" on the default distro.

      And this is one of Ubuntus greatest strengths. They've fully embraced the we'll do our thing and someone else can fork the features they don't like. The existence of a whole series of spins with a custom but completely finished experience for the user, based on the same core underlying and well funded system is far better than the "we'll create a distro and give everyone every option ever but never make it look like any kind of unified product because there's just too much there" approach.

    12. Re:Don't Talk Back! by cytg.net · · Score: 1

      Just installed 16.04 after a few years away from desktop linux .. Holy crap Unity is bad.. Not like only usability bad but broken. Coming out of sleep apps will be frozen, switching apps will often time maximize windows, running more than one screen will often, coming out of sleep, make the main display scroll with the extent of the secondary display (different wakeup times) and much more.. If ANYTHING should be bug free it should be the very foundation that other apps run it, the userinterface and its just so effen broken.. I will give mate a shot, if thats the same, i dont know what to do.. If I have to fix everything myself anyway I am going BSD.

    13. Re:Don't Talk Back! by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      "I will give mate a shot, if thats the same, i dont know what to do.."

      XFCE, of course.

    14. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fedora actually has more community spins than Ubuntu (12 for Fedora vs 8 for Ubuntu). Not that it's a necessarily a good or bad thing. There are lots of reasons to create a derivative, some good, some bad. Usually the more popular projects get forked/re-spun as people like it, but want to add something. That's why Debian is so common as a base distro while there are virtually no spins of Void.

    15. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was Lennart Pottering?

    16. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vtwm, of course. Still compiles and runs well, effectively expands your workspace *very* well, and *no Gnome requirements*.

    17. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously the reason that there are more spins on Ubuntu is because there are *far more users of Ubuntu*. Gees.

    18. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought all Ubuntu releases were betas

    19. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pre-releases of the Yakkety Yak are not encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage."

      Should read:

      releases of Ubuntu are not encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage.

    20. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never understood the whole "one desktop = one 'spin'" thing, myself--one of the things that always made me highly suspicious of Ubuntu, since IMO it tends to promote the Windows-engendered view that the desktop is the OS rather than being just one of many interfaces to it.

      My distro lets me install my choice(s) of 7 or 8, at least... Gnome, KDE/Plasma, Mate, Window Maker, XFCE, LXDE, FVWM, and a couple of others. If I get tired of one of them, any of the others are a logout/login away. (Or I can just switch to another session.)

    21. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mir and Unity 8 have been kicked down the road again, so the only significant change is a few version bumps; packagekit to 1.0, gnome to 3.20, that sort of thing. Most the work is under the bonnet bug and performance work and upstream patches. Important, but not flashy.

      The big effort is on getting Unity 8 ready; there's an opt-in beta planned for it on 16.10. From what i've seen, it's a fair old way from release-ready yet.

    22. Re: Don't Talk Back! by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      You can easily control update notifications by editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades .

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    23. Re: Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go use microshit products if you want hand holding and complete centralization, keep your cheesey paws and opinions away from Linux and UNIX please.

    24. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      One spin per desktop works with slow internet and allows to not waste gigabytes either.
      I don't want to download a 4GB iso with all major desktops in it - multiply by distro versions and 32bit vs 64bit, and I now need to buy a hard drive to fill it with junk.
      I don't want to wait half a hour for 4GB of mostly crap to write to the USB 2 stick.
      I don't want to bring a very small iso, but download 1GB at 100KB/s with wifi brown outs.
      I don't want to install KDE or Gnome 3 or Unity and not use them : daemons, registries etc. Some desktops when mixed give you two entries for "Preferences / Screensaver" for instance.

    25. Re: Don't Talk Back! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      The Arch wiki is generally good (except for the outdated articles) and the forums can be very helpful.

      But after the tenth or twentieth time your system just goes belly-up because of a borked update, and you have to reboot on a USB stick and manually try to rescue things, you get tired of their bleeding-edge package versions. This latest time, it was because a beta version of the Nvidia driver was marked as the newest stable version in the Arch repos, so Pacman cheerfully proceeded to install it. The end result upon the next reboot was a black screen and my graphics card's fan running at full tilt. I spent a couple of hours trying to fix things, but even rolling back the Nvidia driver and the kernel did nothing.

      So I said "fuck it, I've had enough of being a mega-1337 Linux h4xx0r and toying around with Gentoo and Arch", and installed Linux Mint 18. Obviously I had to get used to a new system, and add a few PPAs for various applications where I needed the newest version. But so far, it's been absolutely wonderful. No fuss at all, very straight-forward and fast install process, sensible defaults for most things, very little tweaking needed.

      I know there's Manjaro, which is a similarly desktop-oriented distro based on Arch instead of Ubuntu. But I felt like needed a clean break from the whole Arch thing. Besides, with my /home on a separate partition, it's not like I even had to mess around with any significant settings in any applications. Maybe I'll try Manjaro some day.

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    26. Re:Don't Talk Back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm? Distributions adopting a init system providing features asked for by many users sounds like they work with the community?

  4. I miss the old days. by itomato · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why, oh why do you have to send clicks to that terrible site to make me wade through drivel about The Coasters to find out... well, basically nothing.
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Yakket...

    1. Re:I miss the old days. by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      Yeach you'd think they'd take at last ONE fact about new functionality or features in the new release and talk about it. You'd have to try to make it less informative.

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  5. stability where? not for servers by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    I like how upgrading from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 or 14.04 to 16.04 LTS breaks things because Ubuntu only tested the six month path. Forgetting directories, account name changes, etc.

    1. Re:stability where? not for servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ended up with a full reinstall and ground up rebuild. Worked out ok. But there are still a few things broken or just acting oddly. Nothing I can be assed to fixed at all.

    2. Re:stability where? not for servers by somenickname · · Score: 4, Informative

      The funny thing is that the upgrade path was significantly broken by systemd. On a clean 16.04 machine, you can type "/etc/init.d/foo restart" and it works fine. It's just a wrapper to the correct systemd command. If, however, you upgraded your system from 12.04 to 1X.04, the upgrade process probably didn't correctly update the scripts in /etc/init.d. So, now you are stuck on a system that may or may not respond the same way that your new machines respond. Even though they are running the same damn operating system.

      Systemd... The gift that keeps on giving...

    3. Re:stability where? not for servers by nnull · · Score: 1

      I've done this update for a small little server, it seems to run ok. I've noticed some little oddities, but nothing so significant that it's stopping the server from running. Although, I am concerned of something breaking.

    4. Re:stability where? not for servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm all for bashing systemd when that's warranted. But you can't hold systemd responsible if Ubuntu screwed up their own upgrade process.

    5. Re:stability where? not for servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem here. I use Puppet to upgrade all my systems from scratch.

    6. Re:stability where? not for servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Debian forums are over there. Shoo with your neckbeard systemd hate.

    7. Re:stability where? not for servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Systemd... The gift that keeps on giving...

      It's the new Herpes.

    8. Re:stability where? not for servers by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's just a wrapper to the correct systemd command.

      Are you saying that it's just a user error for not learning the correct commands for the correct software on the machine, or does "systemctl start foo" also not work?The latter is broken, the former is good. They should remove the compatibility layer altogether and if users demand a now non-standard way of doing something then let them link it in their own time, especially since there's a functional equivalent.

      Incidentally it wasn't systemd that broke this behaviour, but rather the fact that the sudden jump causes you to miss an entire intermediate init system called upstart, which changed most of those scripts.

    9. Re:stability where? not for servers by c · · Score: 1

      All I needed to restore my system init behaviour to something useful on 16.04 was:

      apt-get install upstart-sysv

      I'll consider revisiting systemd at some point in the future if Ubuntu is willing to migrate my init configurations properly, and I'm assuming that this approach will become untenable as systemd's tendrils creep deeper into the system, but for now it gets me back to a seemingly functional system.

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    10. Re: stability where? not for servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Upgrading from scratch? I don't think you know what that means. If you update from scratch you update from nothing, so you updating nothing?

  6. Mint ftw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The only good thing about Ubuntu is that it makes Mint with Cinnamon possible.

  7. Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by BrendaEM · · Score: 0

    I still have an official Ubuntu install CD from when it meant anything to own it, before they turned to the dark side of the force, before they collected so much personal information, before they implemented the festering piece of crap known as Unity.

    Mint with Cinnamon is probably the arguably desktop Linux, currently.
    https://www.linuxmint.com/down...

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    1. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by somenickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dunno if that's true these days. Unity definitely caters to a specific workflow but, that workflow is not new and has been around a lot longer than Unity or Ubuntu (It's actually reminiscent of NextStep). When Unity was first released, it was admittedly unusable garbage. These days it just has some minor quirks. There is also a Unity Tweak Tool that can help you fiddle with things until it feels more natural. It's not without faults, to be sure. But, it's gotten back to the point where I could recommend it to people. After many years of boycotting vanilla Ubuntu, I've switched back to it and have no complaints at all.

    2. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by nnull · · Score: 1

      Or just run Kubuntu or Xubuntu, no Unity. Yes, it was an ugly mess when it was released, but I have to agree with you, it's not so bad anymore.

    3. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by nnull · · Score: 1

      I think Cinnamon is just going to replace KDE and Gnome overall on any system if they keep going the direction they're going.

    4. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by jopsen · · Score: 1

      My problem with unity is the papercuts... Opening dash and sometimes I can't get a terminal by typing t + enter, other times it works... Small things like that.. Oh, and animations and stuff that flickers... Even with intel graphics and latest ubuntu it still felt sketchy and crash occasionally.

      Gnome shell isn't much better, but a little... as long as get nautilus as patch by ubuntu, can't live without decent type-ahead... I tried, and I'll never be able to move away...

    5. Re: Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think cinnamon sucks. Gnome is bad but not that bad. I thought KDE was great and then it got SuSefied. I use icewm a lot because I still party like its 1999.

    6. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Cinnamon is just going to replace KDE and Gnome overall on any system if they keep going the direction they're going.

      +1

    7. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe Cinnamon and KDE serve different purposes, even if they look similar in the end. KDE is supposed to be very customizable, while Cinnamon is supposed to offer out of the box experience. That's my impression from trying both.

    8. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think the real problem people had with Unity was that by default, it was sending your desktop searches off to Amazon's servers for "safe keeping."

      A lot of people who transitioned to Linux as a desktop OS (that I know at least, which admittedly isn't a large sample), did so because they at least got the impression that it was more secure, more privacy conscious. Out of nowhere Canonical tucks some of the first Windows-style spyware and data collection into what was the most popular Linux distro at the time...

      Look at how many "spins" on Ubuntu there are now. After Ubuntu-GNOME, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Lubuntu, I started to lose count. While they all have slightly different goals, they all have one thing in common...they threw out Unity because Unity isn't what Linux users wanted. It's what they were trying to AVOID by using Linux in the first place.

      Meanwhile, Canonical still thinks they can do no wrong. Their "community promise" today is about as vapid and meaningless as the "news for nerds" slogan used to be in the few years before Malda retired. In their minds everyone will be using an Ubuntu tablet in a few years, because it was clear from the beginning that what they wanted was to pull a Google so to speak, use Linux as a launchpad for their own OS on their own hardware, have the community do the QA and testing for them. Anyone still on a desktop will of course be running the far superior Mir and Unity, anyone working on Canonical's software will still be required by licensing to relinquish their copyright to Canonical if they want their patches accepted.

      Canonical wants to turn Linux into its own, semi-proprietary cash-cow. The result? Last I checked Mint is still at the top of the list on Distrowatch, for one simple reason...the people behind it pointed very deliberately in Canonical's direction and said, "hey, you know all of those shitty ideas they're trying to force down your throats? Well we're not going to use any of those shitty ideas. That would be stupid. We'll give people what they want instead, a stable, functional desktop that's really no more difficult to install than Windows these days and NOT try to usurp the entirety of Linux development for our own purposes."

      Not that they don't have competition in that regard of course. Red Hat and slime like Poettering are trying the exact same thing, but they're succeeding. Their bad ideas are being forced into practically every Linux distribution, with a small percentage of holdouts that have an even smaller percentage of users. Canonical's a lost cause, Red Hat are the ones people really need to be worried about.

    9. Re: Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using Kubuntu since 2007 and LOVIING it.

    10. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I would use KDE if I were somehow stuck with it, like with XP or 7 where you're stuck with the desktop and make do with it.
      KDE 5.6 looks weirder than it does in screenshots. It's still an animation and fade out fest that makes me throw up, and now it's configured for high res screens out of the box so that it makes your lowish res screen looks like 640x480.
      With the weird start menu that is... too big and animated, it feels like a lot of work, that would have to be repeated each time I set it up somewhere.

    11. Re: Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lubuntu for me. I love it. Then again, I only care that people use what they prefer. I just happen to prefer Lubuntu.

    12. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by blackpaw · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we've switched to 16.04/Unity at work - usable, stays out of the way.

      One of the few DE's that works well with multiple monitors - vertical launcher/task bars that lets you lock apps to the bar. Perfect for widescreen monitors, vertical realestate is valuable. Mate/LXDE/XFCE are all lacking there. KDE works well but ridiculously flacky eye candy.

    13. Re: Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by blackpaw · · Score: 1

      Whats "SuSefied" about KDE? Not even sure what that means :)

    14. Re:Ubuntu Is Dying A Slow Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you also use OS X, you'll find that it and Gnome are similar in quite a few ways (which makes it easier for me to move back and forth between the two systems).

  8. systemd - no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to Emergency Mode!

    1. Re: systemd - no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *BSD - yes please

  9. MAAS by stupidcomputers · · Score: 1

    Did they fix MAAS yet? Ubuntu MAAS has been broken since the attempted 2.0 release on 16.04. Still in RC. What the heck happened here?

    1. Re:MAAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does Mobility As A Service have to do with Ubuntu ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maas#Software )? Or rather, if you're talking about something that isn't on Wikipedia or on the top of the search results, maybe it's good to define it for the benefit of other commenters.

    2. Re:MAAS by Fruit · · Score: 1

      Second google hit for "ubuntu maas" (for me) was http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/maas. But yeah, it would have been nice if the link was included in the original question.

  10. Zany Zebra by irrational_design · · Score: 1

    Any clue what the naming convention will be after Zany Zebra?

    1. Re:Zany Zebra by Bongo · · Score: 1

      Aardvark

    2. Re:Zany Zebra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could get a couple of more releases by continuing with one of the Nordic alphabets, which contain letters Æ Ø Å in various forms and permutations after Z. https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86rfugl

    3. Re:Zany Zebra by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Who knows, maybe they'll grow the fuck up and start giving them sensible names.

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    4. Re:Zany Zebra by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      [#(%@! [$(@! obviously, followed by \)@#$ \$&^ and ]^#$^ ]~#(.

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    5. Re:Zany Zebra by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they'll start using Unicode, or emojis? It was sufficiently problematic when Fedora released "Shrodinger's Cat", with the single quote and an embedded umlaut.

    6. Re:Zany Zebra by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      You haven't seen weird until you read through the Linux kernel codenames...

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    7. Re:Zany Zebra by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for Ubuntu %C3%86kety %C3%86rfugl.

  11. Do what I did... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Migrate to Devuan. Won't help your less tech savvy family/friends, but for people who need old style init scripts and stuff to 'just work(tm)' it has been doing it for me on x86. Works fine on Pi too, but only if you don't need 3d acceleration yet. It appears the open source driver support hasn't made it into any of the debian derivatives except for raspbian (I'd read that ubuntu had it, but ubuntu ended up being enough of a hassle/resource hog on Pi that I skipped it.)

    Linux's 25th anniversary is starting to seem like Windows': More about finding your new alternative thanks to the bloat and BS rather than keeping going with the same old :)

    1. Re:Do what I did... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Devuan is the dumbest fucking name I could ever think of. I really do like FreeBSD.

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  12. Re: Linux is still broken by sce7mjm · · Score: 1

    I don't think your use cases are the same as most other consistent linux users, therefore you should have been modded irrelevant.

  13. Re:Ubuntu 16.10 breaks bash! FBI FBI FBI .. A LIE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fbi linux kills me all the time

    what are they trying to see that they can not already see

  14. Re:Linux is still broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok m$ shill.

  15. Lennart Poettering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please be sure not to "talk back" while testing this beta operating system!

    I thought Canonical stopped listening to user feedback years ago anyway.

    I wasn't aware that Lennart Poettering had left the employ of Red Hat.

  16. Happy with Ubuntu by Urkki · · Score: 1

    I for one am rather happy with Ubuntu. Can't stand Unity of course, and KDE has never been my cup of tea (have given it a few tries, given up every time, it just didn't do what I wanted). I was really happy when we got Ubuntu Mate, that just does what I want, and gets out of the way.

    But with Ubuntu 16.10 I'm really looking forward to try Lubuntu again. The old LXDE is a bit too... lacking in small convenience features. I hope LXQt will improve on that (plus, I'm a Qt fan in general). If it's a let-down (beta 1 still has LXDE, I believe, so not trying it out yet), I suppose Ubuntu Mate will continue to give me the naughties UX.

  17. 17.10 Zellous Zebra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a thing yet. :)

  18. I will use it when you... by wbr1 · · Score: 1

    Take out the papers (Unity desktop) and the trash (systemd).

    --
    Silence is a state of mime.
  19. Unity sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started using Ubuntu at 10.04, it was a conventional desktop that was still familiar after switching from WinXP. A few upgrades later and this shit called Unity was forced on us. Ever since then I have to install Ubuntu-Gnome, to avoid Unity, then install gnome-flashback, to get a conventional desktop. I wish they'd stop fixing things that aren't broken.

  20. FBI KILLED IAN MURDOCK OF DEBIAN == DO NOT USE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't use any Debian any more. 2.6.x kernels are fine but there are much better distros.

    Also do not use any derivative of Debian like Ubuntu (or any of the other derivatives see distrowatch.com)

    Also do not update any NAS that runs on Debian (eg. QNAP).

    Slashdot is FBI. Debian is FBI. They are pushing hard onto TOR with Debian, leaving latest versions actually mirrored on TOR.

    Do not fucking use them you were warned.

  21. Re:DEBIAN IS FBI AND UBUNTU IS DEBIAN DERIVATIVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And do not forget DEVUAN is a DEBIAN DERIVATIVE.

    Do not use! YOU HELP *LENNART* *POETTERING* BY INSTALLING DEVUAN!!!1!

    (lol)