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Creators Call Out YouTube For Demonetizing Videos (dailydot.com)

Striek writes: "On Wednesday, several YouTube creators posted videos that voiced concerns over the platform's process of demonetizing videos for not being friendly to advertisers," reports Daily Dot. Many YouTube creators have similar concerns that no, this isn't censorship in the strictest sense, but that YouTube owes its users a better commitment to free speech than most private companies due to its dominant marketplace position. Its criteria for videos being "advertiser-friendly" is also incredibly vague or restrictive, or both. The Daily Dot reports: "Content that is considered inappropriate for advertising includes: Sexually suggestive content, including partial nudity and sexual humor; Violence, including display of serious injury and events related to violent extremism; Inappropriate language, including harassment, profanity and vulgar language; Promotion of drugs and regulated substances, including selling, use and abuse of such items; Controversial or sensitive subjects and events, including subjects related to war, political conflicts, natural disasters and tragedies, even if graphic imagery is not shown." You read that right -- any YouTube video covering any war or natural disaster is considered inappropriate for advertising, which essentially includes all news and current events shows. This might not seem like a big deal to many people, but it would be, if you made your living creating YouTube videos. So while technically not censorship, many people are arguing YouTube has gone a few steps too far with this, and are likewise worried that this will be too selectively enforced. justthinkit adds: On August 31, 2016, YouTube demonetized videos for reasons that appear to punish those who attack "Social Justice Warriors" and the mainstream media. Philip DeFranco has spoken out about it and hinted he may have to move to other video platforms. Is this an issue most should care about or is it merely a first world problem? The reason this is a story is because YouTube has "recently improved the notification and appeal process to ensure better communication." What this means is YouTube has been making users more aware of the issue with language or content, and the chance to appeal a demonetized video. What has upset many creators is the fact that the company has been demonetizing videos without telling the creators. YouTube has only recently started telling partners what is going on. In addition, there has been a discrepancy as to which channels/networks have been demonetized. For example, while one YouTube creator may be reporting on a current event that isn't "advertiser-friendly" and has been denied monetization as a result, another YouTube creator via a large network like CNN may be covering the same current event but be allowed monetization.

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  1. It's about time... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    YouTube knows what content it's sponsors appreciate and what they object to.

    So this is a good thing. You've got all the freedom of speech you want... but being paid for what you say is not guaranteed. They are not pulling the videos- just making sure sponsors are happy.

    This is the way it should be. The market at work.

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    1. Re:It's about time... by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The people who make a living off of Youtube want to perpetuate the idea that Youtube is the only feasible way to disseminate video speech on the Internet. They want to keep the illusion that this is a 1st Amendment issue when really its a Free Speech issue between private entities. None of them talk about rolling their own video service. They expect everything to be provided and get upset when Google tugs on the reins the creators willingly put on.

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    2. Re:It's about time... by William+Baric · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Either those "sponsors" are a bunch of complete idiots, or this is just a bullshit excuse. If I watch a video from a channel I'm subscribed to, it's almost always because I like the content and view that content in a positive way. And if I view the content in a positive way, even if it's "offensive" to someone else, I will also view the sponsor in a positive way. Maybe the sponsor will view the content in a negative way, but the goal of the advertisement is to make me buy a product, not to make the advertisers feel good about himself.

    3. Re:It's about time... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually if you would watch any of the video complaints like those by Phil Defranco, he went out of his way to assure people of the opposite. He specifically mentions that Youtube is a private company and that it's within their legal right to do this. HOWEVER, as users of the platform we are also free to voice our disapproval.

      Personally, nearly half of the Youtube channels that I view regularly would be considered "non-advertiser" friendly - and most of them pull in very good viewership #'s. If Youtube pushes them off the platform, they'll push me off the platform too. Now naturally they don't care about *ME* as a single viewer, but given how popular most of these guys are as a group their viewers represent a very large number of people.

      Too many people seem to be of the opinion "Well, it's not a legal violation of the 1st amendment, so you lot just need to shut up about the issue and accept whatever a private company does without question.".

      I can personally say that until something gives I've personally already pulled my Youtube Red subscription.

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    4. Re:It's about time... by Bartles · · Score: 2

      But YouTube is pulling all advertising, whether the advertisers ask for it or not. YouTube is making the decision, not the advertisers.

  2. Another YouTube tempest in a pisspot... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All the pissing, moaning and groaning by a few YouTube content creators makes for nice click bait video to drive their revenue streams for their videos. Wait a few months... They will find something else to piss, moan and groan about for another click bait video. It's not censorship, it's opportunism.

    1. Re:Another YouTube tempest in a pisspot... by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

      All the pissing, moaning and groaning by a few YouTube content creators makes for nice click bait video to drive their revenue streams for their videos. Wait a few months... They will find something else to piss, moan and groan about for another click bait video. It's not censorship, it's opportunism.

      Indeed, such attempts to play up issues purely for the sake of cash-ins are quite disgusting.

      That's why it's essential that you watch this video, where I explain how such bottom-feeding cynicism will lead to the downfall of the narcissistic attention whoring community, the decline of YouTube and the end of Western civilisation itself.

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  3. SJW by nwaack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "YouTube demonetized videos for reasons that appear to punish those who attack 'Social Justice Warriors.'" This bothers me because I have found most SJW types to be arrogant, offensive jackasses and I think the majority of the public would agree with me. If YouTube is supporting SJW over those who are critical of them then that is just one more example of political correctness run amok.

    1. Re:SJW by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      "YouTube demonetized videos for reasons that appear to punish those who attack 'Social Justice Warriors.'"

      They'll be OK, They'll just have to go back to lifting a fiver out of their moms' pocketbook.

      And just so everyone knows what's what, here's the guy who's claiming YouTube is targeting the brave men who lead the struggle against SJWs. He's threatening to move his videos to a different platform:

      https://www.youtube.com/user/s...

      YouTube's response:

      https://66.media.tumblr.com/c2...

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    2. Re:SJW by YukariHirai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This bothers me because I have found most SJW types to be arrogant, offensive jackasses

      Some are, but in my experiences the people who complain about "SJW"s tend to be worse.

      and I think the majority of the public would agree with me.

      You can think that. I suspect the reality is closer to a small amount really agreeing, a small amount really disagreeing, and the majority not much caring one way or the other.

  4. Re:The cycle continues by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Step 4: People begin leaving the service in droves as they can no longer do what brought them there in the first place

    Really?

    Youtube has 1.3 billion users. The handful of drama video posters and their fans aren't even a rounding error. And they can still do "what brought them there in the first place". They just won't get any advertisers.

    http://fortunelords.com/27-min...

    http://socialblade.com/youtube...

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  5. Isn't that all the videos that are worth watching? by Optic7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sexually suggestive content, including partial nudity and sexual humor; Violence, including display of serious injury and events related to violent extremism; Inappropriate language, including harassment, profanity and vulgar language; Promotion of drugs and regulated substances, including selling, use and abuse of such items; Controversial or sensitive subjects and events, including subjects related to war, political conflicts, natural disasters and tragedies, even if graphic imagery is not shown."

    Isn't that just about all that is worth watching on Youtube? What's going to be left if these creators move away or stop creating new stuff? Cat videos? Unboxing videos?
    Sounds to me like another case of a corporation killing the goose that lays golden eggs.

  6. An error in the write up. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "this isn't censorship in the strictest sense"
    This isn't censorship in any sense. You can still post to youtube for free but YouTube will not run ads on it for you or pay you for it.
    It is still free as in beer, free as in freedom of speech so I do not see the problem.

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    1. Re:An error in the write up. by Striek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Respectfully, I disagree. (That was my writeup)

      If I had been creating YouTube videos for years covering a vast array of topics, and had been earning my living doing that, and suddenly am told I can no longer cover subject X or Y if I am to be paid, I have been censored. Again, not in the strictest sense where my content is deleted or altered, but the spirit is the same. I am being told what I am allowed to say and what I am not allowed to say, and again, if I earn my living doing this, my hands are rather tied.

      I suppose it depends on your definition of censorship (it's a loaded word). But either way, I think what YouTube is doing here is wrong.

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    2. Re:An error in the write up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I had been creating YouTube videos for years covering a vast array of topics, and had been earning my living doing that, and suddenly am told I can no longer cover subject X or Y if I am to be paid, I have been censored.

      Oh boo hoo! It's not like they ban you if you dare to touch those subjects.
      If those topics are so important to you, you can make a few separate vids.
      You won't get money for those, but you will still get ads and money for the others.

    3. Re:An error in the write up. by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am being told what I am allowed to say and what I am not allowed to say, and again, if I earn my living doing this, my hands are rather tied.

      If you make a living by relying on another person's service then you're bound by the agreement of that service. That's not censorship, that's playing by the rules of the service you choose.

      It's not censorship in the strictest, moral or even spiritual sense to complain about not being paid to post something. That's just straight up business supply chain management.

  7. Re:Obligatory by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as your preferred group-think isn't threatened you're cool with it. Have to give you credit for honesty I guess.

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  8. Re:ha ha ha by eyenot · · Score: 2

    yes, it is. and to help you, friend, and clarify one of the points you were on the fence of making:

    the force that oppose the SJWs make merchandise.

    just remember, it's not always 100% of the time "have v have-not"

    quite often, it really boils down to "make v make-not"

    #makersftw

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  9. Re:Money brings money-problems by Striek · · Score: 2

    So those with something "truly intelligent to say" do not deserve to be paid for their time?

    There's nothing wrong with "monetizing" your work - original creative works should be fairly compensated for, not many people would object to that. Advertising is but one way to do that. Granted, advertising isn't their only source of revenue, but it is a major one.

    Selling advertising is far from the best way to get paid for stuff like this, but it works. Until we come up with something better, it is, at least to me, an acceptable arrangement.

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  10. Re:Yes, it IS censorship... by justthinkit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is interesting to read through some 50 comments so far and see how the vast majority appear to be quite happy with this move, with most saying it is not censorship because you can still upload, just not get paid.

    That is like "You can still protest, only you have to do it way over there where it doesn't disrupt business and no one will ever see you protest."

    It is routine in this day and age to control the 99% with monetary means. For example, food. Only the richest can afford to buy non-GMO, certified organic food. The rest suffer in inverse relation to their bank account size.

    Same with employment. Have an opinion, lose your job. Or don't get that choice job in the first place. Control through finance.

    Anyway, just fascinating how so few on /. get this.

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  11. Re:ha ha ha by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wish the world could be rid of game streamers, who upload hours and hours of mind-numbingly boring gameplay with their ugly mugs superimposed in the corners. If everyone of those sad fuckers got ruined because of demonetization, I couldn't be happier.

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  12. Yeah, they still run ads on these videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    They're demonetizing videos which are "unfriendly" and still running ads on them anyway. This is a filthy corporate cash grab, plain and simple. Proof