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World Map Shows Countries Requiring Open Source Software (networkworld.com)

"Europe and South America are the biggest hotspots for open-source use in government," reports Network World, while Bulgaria requires all software written for the government to be FOSS. Slashdot reader alphadogg quotes their report: It's become increasingly common over the past decade or so to see laws being passed to either mandate the use of open-source software or, at the very least, encourage people in government who make procurement decisions to do so. Here's a map of the status of open-source laws around the world.

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  1. It Makes Sense by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

    It makes sense but it doesn't make money. So don't expect to see mandated or even encouraged FOSS here in the United States on any kind of meaningful level.

    Why sell support or service when you can sell that AND the software.

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    1. Re:It Makes Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US military now asks a copy of the source code of the ground control infrastructure when purchasing UAVs. It is not mandatory to be allowed to bid, but it is taken into account at least to some extend. Apparently some very expensive UAVs are bound to GCS software that runs on windows XP and XP only, which is becoming a support nightmare.

    2. Re:It Makes Sense by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      The map is about use in governments. At any rate FOSS cannot be used as a ransom tool for corporations. The issue on whether "it makes money" is moot. But if you want to bring up money, in the long term the US admin would most likely save taxpayers money by switching to FOSS. And US corporations will be forced to fend for themselves even more, without a wealthy uncle to sponsor their businesses.

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    3. Re:It Makes Sense by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      The government does not make money from software, software costs them money.
      The only reason for the government not to favor open source would be external commercial influences.

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    4. Re:It Makes Sense by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      NSA, they played and now US corporations must pay. Basically the big driver is security and closed source proprietary code with NSA and FBI back doors, even just the hint of them will all be kicked out because everyone knows the US government would blackmail countries by threatening to shut down power stations, traffic systems, delete medical records, shut down airports, basically everyone kind of criminal act imaginable with total control back doors. Not the distrust is aimed at the US alone, no one can trust anyone in that market any more and that is down to the NSA and the US government (Don't blame the messenger, blame the cyber criminals).

      This will also impact arms sales, who can trust another countries electronics if they can send all your combat planes tumbling out of the sky with one single satellite transmission.

      FOSS will start turning up all over the place and M$ with windows anal probe 10 certainly helped push it along a whole lot faster

      Consider a governments requirement to keep the privacy of it's citizens protected when they communicate with their government. When their citizens computers have been hacked, will it even be possible to report a crime committed by M$ from a windows 10 computer, as they will know you reported it and can wipe out your system. You can not even vote via your computer without breaking electoral laws that require anonymous voting, as M$ will be able to monitor your vote, a criminal act by M$.

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    5. Re:It Makes Sense by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem with the US isn't capitalism but a culture of pointing their finger at someone else.
      They buy software and pay for an army of consultants even if their staff is just as good if not better. Not because they are expecting something better, but someone to point their finger when something goes wrong.
      You get a FOSS software package. It has a flaw, there will be fingers pointing in all directions who chose the software, who reviewed it, did anyone check the source, if we are to fix it, how are we going to be sure it is there on the next upgrade, and it goes away who's fault is it that it slipped away...

      That is the problem. We creased a blame culture and that culture is amplified in government. The vendors and consultants know that they will take the blame fix the problem or excuse it. Then when all the fuss settled down they get their contract renewed.
      This finger pointing culture is more of a hinderance than an asset as most established companies are crippled in fear of trying to do something new. And spend a lot of extra money towards preventing risk, because they made the cost of failure more than the reward of success.

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  2. Open Source Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hmmmm. Is requiring open source freedom?

    1. Re: Open Source Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on where you are.

      Is it still freedom when it is mandated?

    2. Re:Open Source Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the same kind of non-freedom as requiring government contractors to not use slaves.

    3. Re: Open Source Freedom? by r1348 · · Score: 0

      It's mandated only in the public sector fo ra question of security (nobody likes NSA backdoors).
      The private sector is free to act as they wish.

    4. Re: Open Source Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the present case, -1 is quite a victory. It's always good to learn who we're dealing with.

    5. Re: Open Source Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      World improving comments and jokes get -1 here often enough that the question of moderator identity remains ever unsolved.

  3. Red Hat makes billions, grew 100% 5 years by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Red Hat has grown almost 100% over the last five years and has billions in revenue. The counter-argument would be Microsoft, but you may have noticed Microsoft has been open-sourcing stuff too, and making billions.

    At the same time, open source saved my last employer, a government agency, a ton of money. In many cases, it just works better all around to share. The company selling the software and services doesn't have the cost of developing everything from scratch, and customers aren't dependent on a single vendor.

  4. It's the opposite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Those countries don't need free software anymore as they already adopted it an a wide base.

    It's all those other poor countries that still rely on proprietary crap that really need more free software!

    1. Re:It's the opposite! by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Everybody needs it. As far as governments go, they need it so that regardless of who they hire to do their IT work, they'd have the sources to go to in the event of a major migration of either hardware or software. Say Kim Jong Un fell in love w/ the Itanium and wants to run the Nork regime on that. He'd need FOSS to compile and run on it, and along w/ it, the last FreeBSD or Linux that ran on that. Once he does that, he can buy all rights to the platform from Intel & HP, and have a nationalized CPU on which he can run it. He can even embed some into missiles that he tests in his sabre rattling, so that the Japs or US mistake it for a nuke }:-)

  5. This is propaganda actually by JosephDoeden · · Score: 0

    Places like Slashdot and Reddit are basically known suckers for anything that says open source. There is no government where they force all government workers to use open source software. The fact is, lots of countries need lots of proprietary software and have for decades and will continue for decades.Good luck nationalizing your software and writing a competing product to AutoCAD. It's just you know.. engineering software right. Nothing government would need. It's a nice idea, but most software is not grossly overpriced for the amount of man hours that it will process, not the time it saves, but rather the YEARS of operation that software gives you at the rate of many hours per day with minimal downtime. For a immature industry it does well, but for an immature industry pushing for end game solutions like open source just doesn't make as much sense as many of you pretend it does. First off, lets loo at the real open source world, not the ideal one in your utopian shared code dreams. Without the standard for hire management hierarchy who controls an opensource project in the long run? If this is non profit are we to assume many of it's members make 250k or less? Ok, well, how hard is it to bride a loosely knit organization of people getting average pay, often volunteering their time while working 40 hours a week. Where is the physical security? Where is the notion that this project has enough value to resist the corruption that billion dollar markets can put on it? I' just supposed to take all that on faith and then embrace a project that almost always has less features and isn't compatible with the industry standard. Ok, so how many hours of conversion or lost jobs do I factor in for using open source office software? How much loss do I factor in for having to force people to learn two entirely different platforms and different apps on those platforms?What happens when a new architecture comes out and my slow moving open source community can't rapidly adapt OR get forced out by ever specializing hardware? Did you guys not see that coming/ How are you doing to maintain Linux on specialized hardware when it's splintered so much? .NET makes the portability of Linux look stupid, like a person with a pile of books vs one using a nice organized library with a system made to organize books. Open source is going to fall behind as more and more new hardware comes out, specialized hardware made for exact purposes. You can eventually get all that working, but it's going to take years behind what the people who own the hardware will be able to do AND at some point they will purposely push you out as competition. Linux and open source have a rough future ahead of them, not the bright world domination that everyone thinks. Platforms change and computing is still very immature. It's only been around 20-30 years in any meaningful mass market way. Opensource has a long history of exploiting hardware to get the most out of it, but it does so 5 years after the hardware comes out usually, not when it the hardware is new and has market appeal. For mission critical security devices opensource makes sense, but you can't have the best software and have it be open source because you don't live in a social utopia where people just do what's best for humanity without a compelling reward. You can't maintain the pace of companies like Microsoft just via open source. You need alliances with the hardware companies and there isn't much guarantee that random opensource projects with minimal leadership and little to no funding will get that. None of this makes any sense anyway. All that we should care about is that the best apps have reasonably high availability to most of the people who could use them. This should be like any market where the best app wins and the victory gets money. If you don't want the best apps, then go open source, but when it comes to complex apps that require millions of lines of code and constant upkeep, open source has a very hard time keeping up. Linux is not catching up to windows when all is sa

    1. Re:This is propaganda actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    2. Re:This is propaganda actually by Kjella · · Score: 1

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      You know, your argument would come across better if you could divide it into paragraphs. I think where most of it starts and ends is that despite totally dominating other sectors like cell phones and supercomputers, Linux has not been able to conquer the basic corporate desktop. Even if what you do today is just mail and office, chances are better that you're running Windows/Outlook/MS Office than anything else. I've heard for almost 20 years that MS Office was pretty much "done" around Office 97 but none the less it's utterly dominating.

      I'm not hoping for an utopia where all software will be written by magic fairies, but I still have a lingering hope that some day you won't expect to pay for software that covers the basics. Some 99% of what I see could have been created in Libre Office or Google Docs, it's not that they really need MS Office. People use it because that's what other people use. I think my workplace could have done just as well on open source, if the situation was reversed. It's being the odd one out trying to lead a change that costs dearly.

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    3. Re:This is propaganda actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woah, take a breath dude!

    4. Re: This is propaganda actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    5. Re:This is propaganda actually by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It's hard to compete against an incumbent, even when you offer a massively superior product and have a huge marketing budget to promote it.
      In markets where there was no incumbent influence, linux has generally beaten microsoft hands down.

      Linux will never conquer the corporate desktop as it currently exists, but what is far more likely to happen is that the desktop becomes a small niche for specific use cases while the mass market moves on to web based applications that can be accessed from any device. For these uses android devices are already well suited.

      As for the remaining desktop niche, microsoft may decide that it's not worth their time to serve a much smaller less profitable market and pull out altogether.

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    6. Re:This is propaganda actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Software is not classic engineering. It is not possible to fix broken software, while it is possible to fix broken infrastructure or tools. That's what open source is about. Open source isn't the same as free software. You can still have proprietary software while its source is open. Websites are all open source, "interpreted applications", yet there is no problem of ownership. Why could this not be the case with software that runs on desktop computers? In my country there is a problem with several government departments that have to cut spending but who are stuck with proprietary closed source software. Their software is no longer supported by the vendor, and because it is closed they can't find other companies who can provide the necessary support.

      There are police departments that still run DOS computers without network connection because the software/drivers that are needed are no longer supported by the vendor. These departments have to move data with a floppy disk to a modern networked computer. Because this software problem, terrorist have been running around for months and could even blow themselves up killing over 40 people. Cut spending is not compatible with paying hundreds of millions on new computers systems for one department because the software vendor refuses to support their product. That's why open source is important for some government departments but also for some cases in the private sector.
       
      I've worked in a company where a 120 million euro costing machine was controlled by Windows 95. This machine is still in perfect condition except for the software. It is not possible to install drivers on newer operating systems. The machine is too expensive to be replaced. The maintenance costs every year are only 1/40 of the cost price of the machinery.
       
      Business wise it would be a very bad move to replace the machine only because the computers are outdated. But yet there is the problem of broken computers. Whenever a computer dies it has to be replaced by Windows 95 era hardware. There are about 20 computers in stock, all second hand refurbished. Once the hardware pieces are gone, the expensive machine has to be replaced, not because it is broken but because the software writer simply does not want to sell the source at any price. They don't even want to rewrite the software for newer operating systems at any price. Why should they? They just say to buy the latest machinery (which is now 250 million).
       
      For a company this is bad, for a government it is even worse. A government can't just stop providing its services to the public because the software is outdated.

  6. Error in map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If France is green, I suspect french guyana should be green too.

    1. Re:Error in map by morane · · Score: 1
      That's indeed a bad map :
      • "No data" and "no law" shouldn't be in the same category
      • The map key is badly ordered
  7. US: 20% policy by Xtifr · · Score: 2

    A new policy (a pilot program) in the US is that federal agencies must (with some important exceptions) release at least 20% of any in-house code they develop as open source.

    On hearing this, my brother quickly whipped up a script to print every fifth letter in a text file. :)

    1. Re:US: 20% policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably more then 20% of the source code is space, so you can just release all the white space in your code and claim a release rate of at least 35%!

  8. No script guessing game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another site leaving you guessing what to allow in No Script to see the content. I just closed it instead.

    1. Re:No script guessing game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True that.

  9. Re:CR/LF by slashrio · · Score: 1

    My guess is that he put the necessary CR/LFs in his text, but that this giiky Slashdot didn't show them.

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  10. Re:CR/LF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably, but that's what the preview button is for: to find out when Slashdot screws up your comment so you can fix it before submitting.

    Plus why let logic like that get in the way of a joke :)