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Japan To Develop 3D Maps For Self-Driving Cars (nikkei.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Nikkei: A joint venture in Japan will begin creating high-definition 3D maps for self-driving cars in September as part of a government effort to have such vehicles on the road by 2020, when the Tokyo Summer Olympics will be held. Tokyo-based Dynamic Map Planning, set up by Mitsubishi Electric, mapmaker Zenrin and nine automakers, will digitally chart the country's key expressways by driving a vehicle loaded with special surveying equipment. The data will be processed using computers designed for the creation of maps, which will be provided to automakers that invest in the startup. As a first step, Dynamic Map Planning will make maps covering 300km of the country's main expressways. The combination of high-resolution 3D maps and sensors will enable the accurate detection of which lane a car is in and the distance to junctions. High-precision surveying technology is required to make the maps, so Mitsubishi Electric developed equipment that will be installed on a canvassing vehicle. GPS will track the location of the car on the map, and sensors designed to detect the inclination of the car will measure the road grades. At the same time, data including the locations of road signs and traffic lights, as well as right- and left-turns and pedestrian crossings, will be collected using lasers. The survey data will be displayed as a collection of dots. Lines on the road, such as lanes, noise barriers and road signage, will be plotted on that image to faithfully re-create road conditions for 3D maps.

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  1. You all know what 3D maps mean.... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Flying cars, at long last!

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    1. Re:You all know what 3D maps mean.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japan is a chain of islands with very expensive bridges and ferries.
      I'm thinking Submarines here, RHD.

  2. Cut it? by LTIfox · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... They might resurrect map cutting like old time GPS did. Basically, if you want to "operate" your self driving car in Tokyo - you need to buy subscription for Tokyo region 3D map. Operating without active subscription will be made illegal.

  3. Is this more than a point cloud? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

    It sounds like it is just a laser scan with a point cloud, albeit on a very substantial scale. Am I missing something?

    I do wonder how they factor out the other cars though...

    1. Re:Is this more than a point cloud? by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      This will be more than a LIDAR point cloud. IMU data/ RTK GPS/ Images and photogrammetry all need to be included. LIDAR relies on images to collect color data, and those images will be used to reference lines in the road etc. Very little data can be extracted directly from the point cloud without making the a polygonal mesh.

  4. What I Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two HOT Japanese school girls shitting and pissing all over each other.

  5. high resolution today by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    might be LR in 2020

  6. 3D maps can't be the only source by burtosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it isn't a bad place to start, what happens when things change? Expressways probably experience the least change, but everything changes. New signs get added, new changes happen all the time. It would be a nightmare to keep on top of this without the city corroborating with these changes which they aren't from the sound of it. Until they can actually automate the vehicles like humans do, able to navigate through visual cues alone without the need for a pre made map, this will remain more of a lane following and auto vehicle following assisted technology.

    1. Re:3D maps can't be the only source by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      My car map data is about 4 years old now. There are times it thinks I am driving in fields where roads got shifted. Kind of funny. A true test of selfdrive would be during road construction. In texas both 35 and mopac in austin stress even a human driver. There are marks from partial lane repave, old lane markers, new lane markers and newer lane markers. There are times I have trouble determining which mark I should follow. I would not want to be near an auto-piloted car in these sections.

    2. Re:3D maps can't be the only source by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      No one is suggesting that autonomous cars are wholly reliant on 3d maps they have in their database. They will have sensors to read street signs, and new road shifts etc. The 3d maps assist in the process but are not the only means for guiding the vehicle. The sensors on autonomous vehicles can easily be used to update changes in the map. Fleets of vehicles will be able to upload to servers and using the magic of modern tech they will be able to be updates in the vehicle.

    3. Re:3D maps can't be the only source by burtosis · · Score: 1

      No one is suggesting that autonomous cars are wholly reliant on 3d maps they have in their database. They will have sensors to read street signs, and new road shifts etc. The 3d maps assist in the process but are not the only means for guiding the vehicle. The sensors on autonomous vehicles can easily be used to update changes in the map. Fleets of vehicles will be able to upload to servers and using the magic of modern tech they will be able to be updates in the vehicle.

      So why the need for this special map making tour? It's because they don't plan on using SLAM or fusing it into a global database this decade and probably not the next. They are implementing lane following and some minimal traffic rule following which they cannot automate or there wouldn't be a need for this manual process.

    4. Re:3D maps can't be the only source by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      Locations such as traffic lights are derived from the map, not real time slam. This allows the vehicle to know where to look to get the appropriate information without having to scan the area each and every traffic light.

  7. Tectonic plates shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If an earthquake shifts an area 20 cm to the side...you will withness the traffic going "the old way".

  8. lucky if it's just an subscription and not new car by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    lucky if it's just an subscription and your car can't run maps V 3.40 buy a new car!

  9. Re:lucky if it's just an subscription and not new by LTIfox · · Score: 1

    That means people will not buy those cars in the first place. All leases or rentals or, well, Uber...
    Interesting times...

  10. I saw a rig like this in 2005 by Thagg · · Score: 1

    When I was shooting Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift in Tokyo, in winter of 2005, I saw a rig a lot like this. I was walking down a street, and saw a van with four cameras, four LIDARs, and two GPS sensors on the top. I asked a man working on it what it was, and he said "Oh! Are you engineer?" and I confessed that I was just a movie-maker. But, nevertheless, they showed me everything in the van, and said that the point was developing 3D models of all the streets in Tokyo. At the time, it wasn't for self-driving cars though -- they wanted to build 3D in-car maps for navigation. The team of engineers was from a university in Tokyo; although I don't recall which one.

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  11. Why 3D? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    Why do they need 3D maps to determine "what lane they are in and distance to the next junction"?

    1. Re:Why 3D? by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      I wasn't sure about that, but at a guess a couple of times I have had my GPS think I am on a smaller road underneath a flyover (elevated highway) and tell me to make a turning that can be made from the road below but not the flyover

    2. Re:Why 3D? by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      How should the vehicle know how many lanes are on the road without that data being made available in a map? You can't have a frame of reference and say I'm in the third lane if you don't know how many lanes there are. Also vehicles etc will block the ability for a lidar scan to see how many lanes are on the other side of that truck.

    3. Re:Why 3D? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cause its like a multiplayer video game

  12. Discount program for "surveying volunteers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You set up a program for "surveying volunteers" who will have their cars equipped with additional hardware for checking changes.
    They can get a discount but they will need to connect their cars to Internet to upload data everyday and drive over xxx kilometers per month.
    Maybe asking a delivery company to sign up in exchange for paying fuel can be easier and better since its drivers will be going everywhere.

    1. Re: Discount program for "surveying volunteers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is asinine, and quite literally akin to a blind man driving -- though he has good directions, he is still blind! To the fellow Austinite, the roads are always under construction. Work zones that never end (just shifted around) -- I suspect most cities are similar.

    2. Re: Discount program for "surveying volunteers" by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      having near survey grade maps is not a the end of the navigation assistance, it is a start however. Autonomous cars wil have rtk gps, lidar, radar and computer vision all working in tandem with highly accurate 3d maps to do situational avoidance.

    3. Re:Discount program for "surveying volunteers" by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      autonomous cars will collect data as they drive. All autonomous cars are capable of mapping to a degree.

  13. Inefficient by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Seems a rather inefficient way to track it. Wouldn't it be more efficient to do the mapping from plane?

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