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Ask Slashdot: What Are Anonymous Ways To Pay For Goods and Services?

Long-time Slashdot reader mspohr submitted a report a couple of days ago from Richard Stallman via The Guardian, which argues that we should be able to pay for news anonymously. "Online newspapers and magazines have come to depend, for their income, on a system of advertising and surveillance, which is both annoying and unjust... What they ought to do instead is give us a truly anonymous way to pay." In response to that report, an anonymous Slashdot reader writes: There was a recent article posted here on Slashdot about Richard Stallman and his attempt to make paying for online content anonymous. The corollary to that question is: What are the remaining ways to pay for stuff -- in the "real" world and online -- that are truly anonymous? Even cash can be tracked, but what about other methods? Have we completely given up on anonymous payments? No more anonymous/numbered bank accounts, no more pre-paid/virtual bank cards in Europe (just happened recently), for that matter no more prepaid phone numbers (you have to register the number in Europe)? What is left after we had let the politicos run rampant with forced registrations of all payment services?

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  1. Cash... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only way.

    1. Re:Cash... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't function in todays society anonymously

      Nirvana fallacy. There are degrees of anonymity. You fail.

      First all the people who think their lives are so important that people will be lining up to spy on their mundane existence need to get over themselves.

      You're a short-sighted moron.

      First of all, while the probability of a 'normal' person being targeted is low, it's not nonexistent.

      Second, 'normal' people taking measures to protect their anonymity/privacy helps provide cover for those who do truly important work, such as: Journalists, activists, lawyers, dissidents, political opponents, etc. Otherwise, anyone who takes such steps would be immediately suspicious.

      Third, even if an actual human doesn't target you, automated systems might. An automated system might decide to add you to to the no-fly list or similar, for reasons completely incomprehensible to you. As law enforcement automates more and more tasks, mistakes like this will become increasingly common. It's already happened in a few cases that innocent people have ended up on these lists, and that might have been done by humans; imagine how bad faulty software will be.

      Fourth, many people consider privacy and anonymity to be desirable in and of themselves, even if you would never be harassed by the government if you didn't have them. It's none of your business.

    2. Re:Cash... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First all the people who think their lives are so important that people will be lining up to spy on their mundane existence need to get over themselves.

      That's not what people think. Some people remember the McCarthy era, when seemingly innocuous events in your past could be used against you. Did you give money to a charity that sent food to America's allies in the second world war? Better hope those allies weren't Russian, and if they were then no one finds out about it or your career can be ruined if you're in the way of the wrong person. Back then, it took a lot of investigative work, but if everything is recorded and indexed then you're just a database query away from having a list of all of the things that someone has done the next time that someone decides to introduce a Committee for Unamerican Activities or a Committee for Public Safety.

      Other people are concerned more about aggregation. I'm not interesting, and you're not interesting, but when you start to aggregate information about you, me, him, her, and so on, then you get a lot of information that can be used to subtly manipulate political opinions. It's hard to think of many people you'd trust with this kind of power, and the people who are collecting it are probably not on the list.

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  2. I just fax them cash by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just fax them cash. I keep it along with the fax confirmation sheet as a evidence that I paid.

  3. hard currency by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 3, Informative

    You know, that paper money you referred to as cash isn't hard currency; it's fiat currency.
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  4. Re:the more guns you have, the more likely you are by x0ra · · Score: 3, Informative

    False. Canadian data show that suicide rates are *not* affected by easy access to firearm, which remains constant post gun control laws.

  5. By supporting it financially by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can support your local newspaper by actually buying one.

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  6. Re:the more guns you have, the more likely you are by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are still quite a few relatively easy ways to kill yourself, even without a gun.

    But those ways aren't used nearly as often. and they're not nearly as lethal. Some of the most common means of attempting suicides have a success rate of around 5-10%. Very nearly 70% of all successful suicides are with a firearm. Not the number of attempts mind you, but the number of successes. All those other "relatively easy" ways to commit suicide are very often unsuccessful, and that means those people have a chance to get help. Firearm suicides are successful just about 90% of the time, which means a gun owner having a very bad day might be dead when if they didn't have ready access to a gun, they'd still be alive. And if they're still alive, they are very unlikely to die of suicide later.

    High-gun ownership states have suicide rates just about double that of low-gun ownership states.

    Oh yeah, people who attempt suicide and are unsuccessful are unlikely (less than 10%) to die by suicide later. But since only about 10% of gun-related suicide attempts survive, it's too late for them. Now put all that together for yourself.

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  7. Re:Anonymous Payment Equals Money Laudering by ptaff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest problem with mass anonymous payment is that it will facilitate criminal transactions

    True, but individual human privacy should always win over war on criminals. There are other ways to catch criminals; there is absolutely no need to put on file all transactions made by citizens.

    I'm getting so tired of all that "security" theater going on to excuse more and more data collection. My favorite these days is the "give us a primary key to merge our datasources across the net" by the name of two-factor auth and phone numbers.

  8. Cash in a brown paper envelope by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cash in a brown paper envelope. If it's good enough for our politicians then it's good enough for me.

  9. Re:the more guns you have, the more likely you are by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    statistics show the opposite: the more guns you have, the more likely you are to die by being shot.

    That's not what they show.

    Most of that, of course, is suicide-- having guns around turns a brief bad moment into a permanent problem for somebody else-- but even subtracting that, gun owners are more likely to be victims than non gun owners.

    I bought a handgun not because I wanted to go shoot people, but because I was worried about being harmed by a specific person who was a relative. Calling the cops would have been useless, and only exacerbated the situation. People who are more likely to be attacked are more likely to choose to own guns. If I'm risking a stabbing, it doesn't matter if I risk losing control of my gun and getting shot. It would hardly leave me worse off than being shot. It takes fifteen minutes to even get to my house and it's on a winding road so going faster in an ambulance is not an option. If I wind up on the financial hook for a life flight, I might as well just commit suicide because I'll be in debt for eternity.

    Guns prevent crime every day, but just doing so is illegal ("brandishing") so the law discourages an accurate accounting.

    I don't care if guns make suicide "easier". Sorry, but I really don't. So a few more people kill themselves. Whoopee. Taking the guns out might reduce the suicide rate slightly, and in exchange we get to be surrounded by more people who don't really want to be here. If we want to reduce suicide rates substantially, we're going to have to make some serious changes to our society. I'm all in favor of that, but removing the guns won't produce the change you're looking for. It will produce a whole lot of them which you aren't, though.

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  10. Re:Sexual favors by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Barter sexual favors

    Do you have any idea what forum you're on?

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