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Wells Fargo Fires 5,300 Employees For Creating Millions of Phony Accounts (cnn.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNNMoney: Everyone hates paying bank fees. But imagine paying fees on a ghost account you didn't even sign up for. That's exactly what happened to Wells Fargo customers nationwide. On Thursday, federal regulators said Wells Fargo employees secretly created millions of unauthorized bank and credit card accounts -- without their customers knowing it -- since 2011. The phony accounts earned the bank unwarranted fees and allowed Wells Fargo employees to boost their sales figures and make more money. Wells Fargo confirmed to CNNMoney that it had fired 5,300 employees related to the shady behavior over the last few years. Employees went so far as to create phony PIN numbers and fake email addresses to enroll customers in online banking services, the CFPB said. The scope of the scandal is shocking. An analysis conducted by a consulting firm hired by Wells Fargo concluded that bank employees opened up over 1.5 million deposit accounts that may not have been authorized, according to the CFPB. Wells Fargo is being slapped with the largest penalty since the CFPB was founded in 2011. The bank agreed to pay $185 million in fines, along with $5 million to refund customers. The report says that "employees moved funds from customers' existing accounts into newly-created accounts without theier knowledge or consent," which resulted in "customers being charged for insufficient funds or overdraft fees," since their original accounts didn't contain the money. What's more is that "Wells Fargo employees also submitted applications for 565,443 credit card accounts without their knowledge or consent," causing customers who had unauthorized credit cards opened in their names to be "hit by annual fees, interest charges and other fees."

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  1. Re:Fine seems Tiny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who says they didn't?

    Wells Fargo is the biggest bunch of douche tools I have ever had the displeasure of working with. Arrogant but clueless!

    I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire!

  2. Re:Typical by ourlovecanlastforeve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am certain that none of those people fired were the managers who established the unrealistic quotas and instructed their staff to create the phoney accounts.

    Hiring managers is expensive. Hiring tellers is as easy as calling up Express Personnel and ordering another six-pack of desperate unemployed middle class peons.

  3. Just like police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bankers are just like police. If you get caught doing something illegal, the worst possible penalty you face is losing your job. And you can just hop to another city and get employed again, it's just a lateral career move, not even really a firing. No criminal consequences, no jail time, nothing.

    And people wonder why bankers and police are so hated in America.

  4. rotten at the top by supernova87a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, well, when you see this many people engaging in such widespread consumer fraud and malfeasance, it comes from the top.

    It has been documented and interviews with these employees recorded that they were under such pressure from bank managers (and they from VPs, etc) under threat of losing their jobs, that they felt they had to make their numbers in any way they had at their disposal. Including taking people's information that they'd been given for other legitimate purposes, and misusing it to create fake accounts.

    1. Volkswagen engineers being pressured to have their vehicles pass emissions
    2. Bank employees being pressured to sign up customers regardless of how infeasible
    3. Cable/credit card company call center agents being pressured not to let a customer go under any circumstances
    4. etc. etc. etc.

    The list goes on and on -- these all come from the assholes at the top demanding something that's not possible and effectively incentivizing / requiring front-line employees to lie, cheat and steal from consumers.

    Those are the people who should be even more aggressively prosecuted.

    1. Re:rotten at the top by jmv · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, and since the people at the top giving incentives to cheat almost never face consequences, the behavior will continue.

    2. Re:rotten at the top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is indeed how the scam works.

      Create an environment in which your employees are forced to break the law to retain employment, even though such behavior runs counter to official written policy.

      When caught: Pay lawyers to deflect blame and wave about the written policy, fire employees, walk away with a slap on the wrist fine.

      We see this all the way from fast food workers to top tier finance account managers.

      If a company benefits from fraud, they are guilty of fraud. Why does basic conflict of interest go unpunished today?

    3. Re:rotten at the top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The employees had a choice. Stop trying to put blame somehwere else. Typical in today's society to always blame someone else. Oh its not the poor workers faults. What a load of crap.

    4. Re:rotten at the top by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... if I have a business unit that's losing money and I tell it to either turn a profit or they'll be laid off, am I responsible when the employees cheat and break the law to save their jobs because there's no other way? If you hand in your resignation, can I make you a counteroffer or is "ok" the only acceptable response? A lot of this pressure is natural, everybody's looking for ways to increase volume and price, cut costs and reduce losses. And then somebody takes it too far, but how far is too far? Who started it, who's doing it, who's in on it might not be so crystal clear.

      I mean it's a little easy to just blame it on your manager who'll blame it on their manager and so on all the way to the top until only Hitler is guilty and the rest were just following orders and trying to fulfill impossible goals. Sorry to Godwin the thread but this is a criminal conspiracy and while there's certainly leaders who should be doing hard time it should be pretty obvious to everyone that when you're faking customer accounts you're doing something blatantly illegal. I say aggressively prosecute everyone you can prove was in on it, top to bottom.

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    5. Re:rotten at the top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      "If you give the employees an unreasonble goal with insufficient tools to reach it, and tell them that they will be fired if they cannot reach it - I think that makes you responsible for their actions. In fact, that sounds like the definition of coercion."

      Fear of losing your job is not an excuse to commit identity theft.

      When pressure starts to be applied in that way the employee should have jumped ship much much sooner. Imagine that for a moment... if departments lost stacks of employees how would their employers respond? By changing their culture or fail.

      5000+ employees fired? Unfairly? I hear 5000+ people with who appear to have not been raised to understand right from wrong and have no issue victimizing others so they can keep "theirs". If this is what we as a society are producing then we are doing something horribly wrong raising our children.

    6. Re:rotten at the top by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think anyone here believes the employees are to be excused here, just that the managers share in the responsibility and shouldn't be excused either.

  5. Stop linking to CNNMoney. by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This story is from the same CNNMoney that declared that Math is Racist

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  6. If one employee had done this by wickerprints · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If only a single employee had done this, they'd be sent to prison for fraud, right after being fired. But because this behavior was so widespread and apparently came from top levels, what is corporate person that is Wells Fargo to face? A fine that amounts to a slap on the wrist. After all, we can't jail anyone who might be rich and powerful enough to have allowed such fraud to be perpetuated, can we? Too big to fail = too big to jail. And this exposes the blatant hypocrisy inherent to the notion of "corporate personhood."

    1. Re:If one employee had done this by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They committed the sin of getting caught. Therefore they have to pay. Nobody sees the inside of a jail though, that's for the little people not bankers.

    2. Re:If one employee had done this by wickerprints · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Corporate personhood absolutely lies at the heart of the problem, because it is this legal doctrine that grants corporations those rights, privileges, and protections normally granted to actual persons; and in turn, corporations are, as a single legal "person," able to wield their disproportionate economic power to influence policies, and more importantly the enforcement thereof, in their favor, regardless of politics. This is the very definition of plutocracy, and it is why, while partisans on both sides of the political spectrum bicker ceaselessly about who is to blame for systemic corruption, nothing has been fixed: because corporations have bought the favor of everyone in government whose favor can be bought, which of course is the overwhelming majority.

      The real struggle in the United States is not about Democrat versus Republican. That ideological division is perpetuated by those who are in real power--the corporate plutocrats and the companies they control, from Silicon Valley to the mainstream media to traditional manufacturing and energy production. It is in their interests to continue to pit the voting public against each other in an ultimately futile battle, because it hides who really calls the shots.

  7. Was this possible because of SSNs? by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This sounds like a reason to make it finable for a company to have your SSN, unless they are the Social Security Office, or are your employer and are contributing to social security on your behalf.

    Having a unique ID, that's so easily obtainable, is ripe for abuse.

  8. unpunished by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If a company benefits from fraud, they are guilty of fraud. Why does basic conflict of interest go unpunished today?

    ... because they have the congress critters in their pocket. Koch brothers concluded many years ago it was better being the script writer behind the scene than being the actors on stage.

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  9. Re:Fine seems Tiny by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't believe any abuse is this widespread without upper management knowing.

    (There's probably a Hillary joke in there somewhere.)

    Based on my experience in Cubicle-Land, management probably suspected it but turned a blind eye, Sgt. Schultz-style, because it boosted their jurisdiction's sales stats.

  10. Re:Typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So let me get this straight: You actually MET management's ridiculous quotas by pretending to be actual subscribing customers by colluding with your fellow employees, then quit leaving any HONEST employees to be fired? Fantastic!

    If you think the corporate world is a shitty place, you have no one to blame but yourself.

  11. No jail? by AndyKron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why aren't these people going to jail?

  12. Re:Hoping for a refund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're paying somebody to hold onto your money for you, you're doing something wrong.

  13. Re:Typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone participated

    They were all getting fired anyways

    He just quit first

    There were no honest employees in this situation

    Remove that high horse from your ass, or something

  14. Re:Typical by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    America doesn't have a "lower class". We have a "middle class" and a "working class". There's a lot of overlap in the pay, the distinction is mostly social, not economic. Banking teller is a middle-class job.

    This class distinction is why so few people are willing to enter the skilled trades, despite a lot of advantages to that in our increasingly-outsourced world.

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  15. Re:"The CFPB declined... by Nethead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "I don't know how people continue to bank with a place that has repeatedly been shown to do everything they can to screw their customers.."

    That has always been my question. About 6 months ago I noticed that my local community bank had opened a branch next to the grocery store/pharm that I stop at at least 4 times a week. I went in an opened an account and could not be happier. I hardly ever have to show ID, they know me by name. I'm support local a local business and the local businesses that use the bank (most of their customers are commercial.) I recognize most of the board as local civic leaders and business-people. It's a small bank with a dozen locations, serving just my county. My checking account number is under 1500 and my savings account number is under 500. The provide good e-services with 2FA. Their ATM is an off brand model that I've never seen so the chances of someone making a skimmer for it is slim. The checking account is free as long as I keep $300 in savings, not an issue. I've never been asked to upgrade or add accounts. They mail me a one page statement each month that is thoughtfully 3 holed punched for storage in a binder. Financial reviews on the web give it an A rating or 4 stars. The health of assets is considered excellent.

    Why, in the tangle of FSM's noodles do people go with these huge national banks? Good local banks and S&Ls are all over the place!

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  16. Re:Good governance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "This isn't rocket science."

    No, but it's social science. We've given up raising children with a sense of right and wrong and of shame. You take shame out of the equation and the fear of what "others" might think of you we end up with 5000+ employees who would rather victimize countless strangers so they can keep what they have rather than look for another job.

    I don't give a rip if they were threatened with getting fired. They were selfish prats with no sense of ethics. It's this attitude that ALLOWS the powerful to control the "powerless".

  17. Did you RTFA? by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...some states started using recidivism models to guide sentencing. These take into account things like prior convictions, where you live, drug and alcohol use, previous police encounters, and criminal records of friends and family. "

    That sounds pretty awful to me. Grow up in a bad neighborhood thanks to 250 years of institutionalized racism (google it if you don't understand the term), Go directly to Jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

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  18. Make the bank really pay by Maclir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    by revoking it's banking license. They clearly are not capable of operating with the degree of ethics required, so shut them down. And mark all the executives as ineligible to work in a financial / securities / insurance business for the term of their working life.

  19. Re: Typical by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah sure, and the USSR wasn't communism, etc...

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  20. Re:Typical by starblazer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    which will then immediately sell it off to the same company WF did.