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Netflix Pushes FCC To Crack Down On Data Caps (dslreports.com)

Netflix hates data caps. The on-demand movies and TV shows service has asked the US Federal Communications Commission to declare that home internet data caps are unreasonable and that they limit customers' ability to watch online video. From an article on DSLReports:Netflix has long has an adversarial relationship with ISPs, and often for good reason. Usage caps on fixed-line networks are specifically designed to protect ISP TV revenues from Netflix competition, allowing an ISP to both complicate and generate additional profit off of the shift away from legacy TV. "Data caps (especially low data caps) and usage based pricing ("UBP") discourage a consumer's consumption of broadband, and may impede the ability of some households to watch Internet television in a manner and amount that they would like," said Netflix in a new filing with the FCC. "For this reason, the Commission should hold that data caps on fixed Âline networks ÂÂand low data caps on mobile networksÂÂ may unreasonably limit Internet television viewing and are inconsistent with Section 706." Netflix's filing comes as ISP's increasingly turn to broadband usage caps to take advantage of the lack of broadband competition in many markets. Fearing FCC crackdown both Comcast and AT&T raised their caps to one terabyte, though many ISPs still cap usage at much-lower allotments. High, low, or somewhere in between, Netflix highlights that there is no good reason to implement caps on well-managed fixed-line networks, despite a decade of ISPs trying to justify the price gouging.

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  1. Re:At&t doesn't even try to pretend it isnt ex by stinerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will be a continuing problem so long as the people who own the infrastructure also sell services over it.

    They almost got this right with the ILEC/CLEC split with DSL. The only problem is that they let the ILEC sell services over the infrastructure they owned.

    Don't let the guys who own the wires sell any services and this problem will fix itself.

  2. Channel saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personally, if I'm sold a 30Mbps/5Mbps cable/dsl connection, I expect to be able to saturate that channel 24/7 if I want to. ISPs should provision accordingly.

    1. Re:Channel saturation by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stop selling unlimited stuff as unlimited. The onus is ENTIRELY on the company making such claims to back them up.

      Put up or shut up.

      Or, in the immortal words of Jim Carey "HEY ASSHOLE, STOP BREAKING THE LAW!"

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    2. Re:Channel saturation by TemporalBeing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're the sort of fat fuck who thinks an "all you cat eat" buffet means you can just stuff everything in your mouth.

      Pretty much EVERY service is priced on the basis that not everyone will use it in the most costly way.

      Just because you're incapable of understanding a complex society that's based on implicit understanding and values rather than strictly written rules, it doesn't mean most human beings can't manage fine in it.

      Don't use your disability as a reason to fuck things up for others.

      "Unlimited" should have the very simple meaning of 24/7/3600 usage of the bandwidth you are purchasing as a customer of a given ISP. It should be impossible then to hit the datacap since your modem should not be able to exceed such usage.

      "Limited" can be any fraction of that, e.g a 50 Mbps service with 600GB data cap would be "Limited" not "Unlimited" since even a 1 Mbps connection could exceed 1 TB of data per month.

      IOW, Truth In Advertising.

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    3. Re:Channel saturation by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullshit.
      They don't even want to OFFER it. Instead they rather play word games and sell idiots on the idea of 'unlimited'.

      Its either unlimited or its not. If its not DON'T CALL IT UNLIMITED.

      Would you let a car mfg'er claim your new car has 400horsepower when it has a fucking 30cc lawnmower engine in it? No. Because its call truth in advertising.

  3. If people only knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people only knew how little it costs per household for ISPs to provide cable TV and internet service! While no real figures are published, by some estimates it costs most ISPs less than $15.00 a month per household to provide both broadband Internet and cable TV, in some cases less than half of that figure.

    Not only should the FCC remove all data caps, prices for broadband Internet service, and cable TV should be capped at $29.95 per month each. Our taxes have paid for the infrastructure for these services, yet we are massively price gouged for these services. One reason that this price gouging goes on is that ISPs have managed to stifle any hint of competition in most locations in the U.S., even buying draconian laws against cities that wish to provide their citizens with reasonably prices broadband Internet and Cable TV services.

    I would also like to see the FCC mandate that as long as costumers are paying for their cable TV service, it should be commercial free, as we were promised at the very beginning of cable TV roll-outs!

  4. Monopolies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given that Comcast enjoys government granted monopolies in its markets, it seems reasonable for the government to require them to remove data caps.

    Of course, the better approach would be to tell Comcast fine, charge whatever you like, but we're going to open all of your markets to competition.

  5. Re:Using government to advance one's business by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oligopolies suffer from similar problems as "big gov't": not enough competition to give them incentive and to give consumers real choices. They historically almost always take advantage of insufficient competition to screw customers: Railroads, oil, cars, computers (IBM, MS), CPU's, telecoms, etc. have shown mass dickery under oligopolies or monopolies.

    If there were say 7 or more realistic ISP choices per typical customer, THEN competition could work its magic, Adam-Smith-style.

    The biggest road-block to more competition in my opinion is the "last mile problem". It's not realistic nor efficient for every competitor to run wires to every potential customer. It's the main reason Google is dropping out in many areas.

    If a gov't utility could set up "last mile" wiring, then multiple ISP's would only have to hook up to centralized routing nodes, not to each house. It's then just a switch. This could invite the competition needed to end most ISP BS such that regulators wouldn't have to get involved nearly as much.

    The right conditions have to be in place for capitalism to work right.

  6. Re:Using government to advance one's business by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oligopolies suffer from similar problems as "big gov't": not enough competition to give them incentive and to give consumers real choices.

    Full agreement.

    The biggest road-block to more competition in my opinion is the "last mile problem". It's not realistic nor efficient for every competitor to run wires to every potential customer.

    That's not true — "natural monopoly" is a myth. But do find citations supporting your assertion.

    It's the main reason Google is dropping out in many areas.

    Another unsubstantiated claim. Google Fiber was meant to run all of the "last miles" from the get-go — it was not something they realized they have to do later. I explain their lack of wide-spread success by the above-referenced regulation of local governments, but you are welcome to offer citations supporting your assertion(s). Meanwhile, I offer this map as evidence supporting my assertion. They are already offered in the "redneck" parts of the country like Salt Lake City, Charlotte, and Kansas City, while the corrupt locales like Chicago — despite having many more thickly-settled (and thus easy-to-wire) would-be customers — are merely "being explored".

    If a gov't utility could set up "last mile" wiring, then [...]

    Then instead of the poorly-competing oligopoly, we'll have a bona-fide monopoly — with government policing the Internet traffic. Today I can switch from FiOS to Comcast in a matter of days should I decide to. Bringing about a change to the government-owned service will require months and years of raising awareness and electioneering.

    The right conditions have to be in place for capitalism to work right.

    Absence of wrong conditions is sufficient.

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