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Microsoft To Kill The Lumia Brand In Favor of a New Surface Phone, Says Report (thenextweb.com)

It's no secret the Lumia brand is struggling to gain any significant market share these days. Earlier this year, it was reported that Microsoft's Windows Phone OS dropped below 1 percent mark share, all but confirming the death of Windows Phone. A new report suggests that, despite the irrelevance of Windows Phone, Microsoft will not be giving up on its mobile OS. Instead, the company plans to drop the Lumia brand by the end of the year and replace it with a brand new Surface Phone in an effort to breathe new life into its flagging smartphone business. The Next Web reports: There is some credibility to the claims. Microsoft's Lumia lineup has shrunk to just four models, and there's nothing to indicate it's working on a successor. In the U.S., where Microsoft has struggled to shift Lumia phones, it has removed the link to buy them from its website. On the retail side, stores have started removing units from display, and are trying to shift remaining stock by offering steep discounts. Further evidence comes from two since-deleted tweets from Laura Butler, engineering director at Microsoft, who posted "Surface iPhone ;-)" on September 6, and "Surface Phone not NOT confirmed. :-)" on September 7, in reply to questions posed by other Twitter users. Microsoft is expected to hold an event in October, where it's believed it will announce a new Surface all-in-one. As Ars Technica pointed out, this could be when Microsoft announces its new Surface Phone, just in time for Christmas.

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  1. A real Windows by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the only way Microsoft could gain any traction with Windows phones is if they manage to keep compatibility with real Windows apps.
    It means a x86 CPU, and there is probably a lot of work to be done to make a usable UI but it might be worth it, at least for now.

    Look at Surface tablets. Windows RT was a failure but real Windows tablets are usually considered pretty good, except for the price.

    1. Re:A real Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > make an x86/Win10 phone

      To usefully run actual x86 software it would need sufficient CPU power and RAM as well as a GPU giving adequate number of pixels with output to a large screen and HDMI or equivalent. Perhaps it would need both an x86-64 _and_ an ARM (for battery life). The result would be:

      * have a battery life measured in minutes
      * cost more than any other phone on the market
      * still not have mobile apps.

      Anyway, Intel is not interested:
      http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/30/intel-splits-on-atom-after-the-mobile-relevance-of-x86-whacked-by-apples-ax

    2. Re:A real Windows by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem isn't the power consumption of the CPU, it's Microsoft's inability to solve the "hard problem" (Panos Panay's own words) of an OS with control over sleep functions. The Surface Pro 4 has a battery barely 3x the size of flagship phone and yet manages to play video on a screen with 6x the area for 9 hours, and do regular work for 5-6 hours. The problem is that the OS has no control over the drivers, and MS is to fucking lazy to write their own, so a poorly behaving wifi driver (or BT driver, or USB driver, or even internal OS programs like memory management) means the entire system stays awake, burning power nearly as fast as if the machine were playing HD video.

      When the SP4 is tuned just right and nothing is screwing up, it will last - in an suspended/active state (instant on/"phone sleep") for about 200 hours. Trim back all those internals and kick every driver out of ring 0 and a (formerly known as) m series x86 could probably be tweaked to provide decent life in a smaller form factor. But MS / Windows is to bloated and riddled with special exceptions to fix. They need to go Apple on the OS and blow it away and restart with a fresh core.

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      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  2. Re:Burning cash by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft still thinks it's 2001 where if you throw enough money into a market, no matter how saturated it is, then you can suddenly have decent mindshare. So, they went and sunk $20+ billion into windows phone and got nothing in return.

  3. It's been tried before - by BlackBerry by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You do realize that BlackBerry (RIM to us ex-employees) tried to do what you are suggesting? The BlackBerry smartphones could handle different office documents and I worked on a device (the "BlackBerry Presenter") which could display them on a monitor or projector.

    The problem was, and I suspect anybody else will fall into this rabbit hole if they work on this type of device, is that RIM got sucked into dealing with Office Apps and the data surrounding it and forgot to focus on what customers really want - web enabled applications.

  4. Re:Microsoft is fighting irrelevance. by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What has Microsoft ever done that has benefited the human race?

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    Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
  5. Re:If you want your kids to hate you by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Intel even stated a few years ago that a given CPU can have 2 of 3 things:

    - Speed
    - Energy efficiency
    - Low power consumption

    It cannot however have all three of those in the same chip, i.e. a very fast chip cannot scale down based on the demand to meet the needs of mobile devices. The whole x86 architecture is pretty much entirely engineered for speed, and a few months ago Intel finally conceded that they just can't make Atom chips compete with ARM. If there is a "surface phone", then it's not going to run x86 apps locally, unless it's either slow as shit or has shitty battery life.