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FCC Republicans Refused To Give Congress Net Neutrality Documents (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The two Republican members of the Federal Communications Commission have refused to give Congress documents needed to complete an investigation into the FCC's net neutrality rule-making process, according to a lawmaker. "Your refusal to cooperate with the Committee's request is unacceptable, it obstructs our investigation, and it prevents the Committee from having a complete or accurate understanding of the circumstances surrounding this rulemaking," U.S. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland) wrote in a letter to FCC Commissioners Ajit Pai and Michael O'Rielly yesterday. There are "serious questions" about "Pai's efforts to organize opposition to the proposed rule with outside parties," Cummings' office said in a related press release. "Pai previously worked as associate general counsel for Verizon, one of the major opponents of the open Internet policy, and he reportedly 'enjoys the support of conservative think tanks like the Phoenix Center, the Free State Foundation and TechFreedom,'" the press release said. O'Rielly wrote an op-ed on the net neutrality rules in 2014, but only after he "sought edits on [the] draft op-ed from three individuals outside the FCC with professional interests that could be affected by the rule," the press release said. The Republican lawmakers claimed that President Obama had "an improper influence" over the FCC's decision and demanded documentation of all communication between FCC personnel and the White House, as well as calendar appointments, visitor logs, and meeting minutes related to meetings with the White House, plus all internal documents discussing the views and recommendations of the White House. They also asked for all documents and e-mails related to views of FCC personnel about the net neutrality proceeding. A Cummings staff member told Ars that the "request has the backing of the full committee and all the enforcement mechanisms the committee has, including issuing a subpoena." The committee has schedule a hearing for September 27 on the status of outstanding document requests to different federal agencies, and could seek updates on the requests to the two Republican FCC commissioners at this hearing, a Democratic aide for the Oversight Committee also said.

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  1. Hypocrites by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GOP has been investigating the hell out of Hillary's emails and boogers for the last 3 years. At least return the favor.

    1. Re:Hypocrites by guises · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Who are the hypocrites? The GOP have launched an investigation into FCC rulemaking only to catch... the GOP FCC commissioners?

      All right, so there's no indication of anyone being guilty of anything here as yet, but this doesn't say "hypocrites" to me, this says "hilarious."

    2. Re:Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares. Don't give anyone in the federal government anything. Even if you work for the feds. Ignore their subpoenas. They are all worthless bastards on fishing expeditions.

    3. Re:Hypocrites by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Who are the hypocrites? The GOP have launched an investigation into FCC rulemaking only to catch... the GOP FCC commissioners?

      Did you notice who's the one demanding the documents from the GOP FCC commissioners? It's not a Republican, FYI.

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    4. Re:Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

    5. Re:Hypocrites by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      - signed Donald, Hillary, Colin, and Barack.

    6. Re:Hypocrites by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Yes there is. They were given a subpoena and they refused to obey it. That's, IIUC, Contempt of Congress, and the penalty is whatever Congress decides. But even now it's clearly being asserted that a crime has been committed.

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    7. Re:Hypocrites by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Who are the hypocrites? The GOP have launched an investigation into FCC rulemaking only to catch... the GOP FCC commissioners?

      Did you notice who's the one demanding the documents from the GOP FCC commissioners? It's not a Republican, FYI.

      Republicans are big on law and order.

      Except when they aren't.

      But sometimes a little baksheesh trumps the rule of law.

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    8. Re:Hypocrites by guises · · Score: 1

      What's your point? The GOP launched an investigation into the FCC rule making. This necessitated the creation of an investigatory committee and, as with any such committee, the committee members are bipartisan. The GOP FCC commissioners have failed to provide documents as instructed, and the Democratic committee members have called them on it.

      Is that confusing? I said that the GOP have launched an investigation, I did not say that the congressmen demanding the documents were GOP.

    9. Re:Hypocrites by guises · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that little comment about confusing reads as being unnecessarily insulting. Didn't mean it like that, just trying to clarify.

    10. Re:Hypocrites by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I said that the GOP have launched an investigation, I did not say that the congressmen demanding the documents were GOP.

      No offense taken.

      As we've seen with the Benghazi and Emailgate congressional investigations, there is a big difference between holding a congressional investigation and actually wanting to get to the truth about something. The way I understand the story, after having read several in-depth articles about it, is that the GOP House committee held hearings in order to pretty much make sure that nothing useful came out of the FCC while Barack Obama was president. That's the EFF's take, at least, as well as a few independent journalists and FCC-bloggers. Until Congressman Cummings (D-Maryland) started writing letters and busting balls (which is how he rolls because like the honey badger, he too old to give a fuck) this entire exercise in FCC oversight was little more than organizing the sock drawer to look busy. It was the congressional equivalent of a Boss Key.

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    11. Re:Hypocrites by guises · · Score: 1

      So are you saying that the GOP commissioners probably aren't hiding anything? They're just refusing to turn over documents in order to stall the process and make sure nothing gets done?

    12. Re:Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contempt of the current Congress seems like the only rational approach these days. You don't have to like the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwich.

    13. Re:Hypocrites by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You could reasonably argue that the contempt was justified. That's different from arguing that it isn't a crime.

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    14. Re:Hypocrites by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      What was the penalty when Hillary did it for three years with her emails?

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  2. Jail Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Throw the assholes in jail.

    1. Re:Jail Them by Wain13001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Srsly, why isn't this considered an acceptable option to this crap? It seems to happen every other month with each party simply refusing to give documents and testimony to investigating committees, then everyone bitches and moans and lets it go.

      Why are there not more findings of Contempt of Congress, and why is Contempt of Congress seemingly punished with a slap on the wrist?

    2. Re:Jail Them by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *sigh

      Throw the assholes in jail.

      Seconded. And let's figure out who has been bribing them and throw them in jail too. I'm sick of every single government agency being completely crippled by internal corruption.

    3. Re:Jail Them by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure DC would have to build more jail cells. Figure at least 2/3 of each party plus half of the various alphabet agencies based in DC gets thrown in the slammer.

    4. Re:Jail Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds acceptable to me.

    5. Re:Jail Them by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Indeed. It is my understanding that the US Congress inherited the British Parliament's right to find someone in contempt, and to indeed throw them in prison should they continue to refuse Congress's request.

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    6. Re:Jail Them by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

      It would give the Sergeant at arms something to do. Technically speaking, you could just find an empty meeting room, post armed guards at the door, it doesn't have to be an actual lock up.

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    7. Re:Jail Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why are there not more findings of Contempt of Congress, and why is Contempt of Congress seemingly punished with a slap on the wrist?

      For the same reason that incoming presidents have a tendency to pardon and/or overlook the crimes of outgoing ones. Any politician who reminds people that their peers can actually be punished, might eventually find themselves facing punishment too. Can't have that. Much easier to "live and let live."

    8. Re:Jail Them by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Put them in jail and then what? Either by law or tradition the committee members of every executive agency is split between the two major parties. The number of members on these committees is always an odd number with a majority with the party in power at the time. So, we take these Republicans, toss them in jail, and then replace them with some other Republicans, at which time those Republicans can refuse to hand over the documents. Rinse, lather, repeat.

      I don't know who is the bad guy here. It could be the Democrats for trying to make the Republicans look bad over something completely innocent. It could be the Republicans trying to hide wrongdoing from the Democrats. I can hear it now, if they have nothing to hide then why not share the documents? Perhaps the Republicans are aware that the Democrats are playing political games and they figure this is the best way to stop it. The Democrats have had a few bad weeks recently in the polls and it might be that the Democrats are looking for ways to make themselves look good. It's quite possible that even if the Republicans handed over everything that the Democrats asked for the Democrats would still claim something is missing.

      Aren't we seeing this with the Clinton e-mail server thing going on? The Republicans will claim that e-mails are missing but the Democrats say everything was handed over. How can you prove there are no more documents to hand over? It's not like this is a bank account and someone can show there is no more money with a balance note. This is a request for documents that may have never been created. Even if they handed over every single document someone can claim documents are missing because they didn't find the dirt they are looking for.

      We have an election in a few weeks, so even if someone was going to put these people in jail for contempt of Congress, or whatever, they will be out again after the election because keeping them there would be problematic politically. If Congress gets in the habit of putting commissioners in jail because they don't like what party they are in then we are going to have even bigger problems in the future.

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    9. Re:Jail Them by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Throwing them in jail doesn't remove them from the committee, it just makes them unable to attend meetings or vote on things. They could, of course, resign and allow someone else to be appointed.

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    10. Re:Jail Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is my understanding that the US Congress inherited the British Parliament's right to find someone in contempt, and to indeed throw them in prison should they continue to refuse Congress's request.

      This is correct. However, since Congress has no law enforcement, when they want to have someone arrested for Contempt, they ask the US Federal Marshals. The Federal Marshals take direction from the head of the Department of Justice - the Attorney General. This is why Attorney General Eric Holder had a warrant issued against him by Congress, but he ordered the Marshals not to obey, so nothing happened.

    11. Re:Jail Them by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      That's the sad part... it's the lawmakers that created the ways they can receive "campaign contributions". Do you honestly think that these people that wield the power will kill one of their own cash cows?

      If you could make it part of national law that you could receive money from others under the guise of "They support my point of view", wouldn't you do it? Comcast wants to give you $5mil because you have said a couple words against Net Neutrality. If they promise to grease your palms for the next 10 years as long as you keep it up, wouldn't you agree?

  3. President Trump... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...approves.

  4. Obstructionism... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No matter where you are on the political spectrum, you have to admit to the obstructionism which the Republicans have used over the last 8 years.

    This has effectively meant that nothing has been done (mostly) except the bare minimum, for the last 8 years. Now we see it in this particular issue- which should be considered by people in the "IT world" to be a primary issue: Net Neutrality.

    It's like this: Without net neutrality the Internet becomes a walled garden for businesses who are already there. Which is good for those businesses. But it's also bad for consumers. You see it now with veiled attempts at cutting out media providers through data caps. If this issue is not resolved in favor of a level playing field or all involved- the promise of the internet could be lost in this country.

    Which is to say- whatever services you use over your connection- will be those mandated by whomever has the power that week to reach customers at the lowest cost.

    And guess what: It won't be the startups. That is a problem.

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    1. Re:Obstructionism... by rsborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No matter where you are on the political spectrum, you have to admit to the obstructionism which the Republicans have used over the last 8 years.

      This has effectively meant that nothing has been done (mostly) except the bare minimum, for the last 8 years.

      The really amusing (read: evil) part of this is that these are the same crowd who then complain that "government can't do anything". Well, duh... it's a goddamn self-fulling prophecy if they're the ones in power and do nothing.

      These clowns should get held in contempt of Congress and held without bail at Club Fed until they cough up the records.

      Just imagine if these guys were Democrats... imagine the GOP uproar...

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    2. Re:Obstructionism... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 1

      I think the problem you are outlining is serious- their supporters do not care of they "pull the temple down on their own heads". They are absolutists. If they don't get their way- no one get's anything.

      This isn't the way things used to be- and it cannot continue for much longer.

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    3. Re:Obstructionism... by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Don't bother trying to prove who's worse. Once you scale the historical context out far enough (at least a few decades) it balances out..

      They're all criminals. Washington needs an enema.

    4. Re:Obstructionism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an imbecile.

    5. Re:Obstructionism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Republicans believe that government doesn't work, then get elected and prove it!

    6. Re:Obstructionism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Without net neutrality the Internet becomes a walled garden for businesses who are already there"

      Heh, "what's good for Government Motors is good for the country." "Arbeit macht Frei." "War is Peace." "Your President is not a crook!"

      Yeah, right. Whatever.

    7. Re:Obstructionism... by lobosolo · · Score: 1

      "This has effectively meant that nothing has been done" Good, the less they do the better we do.

    8. Re:Obstructionism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, then get the deleted emails from the IRS, Oh, they were deleted after the subpeona ? Obstruction of justice ? No, they were Dems, so no charges. OK, how about Benghazi emails ? OOOOPs deleted again. after a subpeona, obstruction again ? no Dems so no charges. It goes on, but please, the Dems obstruct and evade at every turn while they are using the government to suppress Democratic dissent. I used to be a liberal, but now their hypocrisy makes me sick.

  5. Don't throw stones in glass houses by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    All these congressman get outside counsel from moneyed lobbyists. Shit, the lobbyists sometimes write the final legislation themselves. I don't see what's unique in this scenario.

  6. This is rich by reboot246 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Democrats accusing Republicans of obstruction!

    Pot, meet kettle.

    1. Re:This is rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It seems you haven't been paying attention for the last 8 years or so.

    2. Re:This is rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is what conservatives actually believe.

      Witness the self-inflicted information bubble where black is white and up is down.

      This is your opponent. A creature without reason or even a firm grasp on reality. Just smile, nod, then keep at arms distance. Hope they only harm themselves.

    3. Re:This is rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *eyeroll* It seems you ignore the 8 before that...

    4. Re:This is rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Slashdot. Everything has vanished down the memory hole. We have always been at war with Obama!

    5. Re:This is rich by Holi · · Score: 1

      Yeah because the record use of the filibuster happened in Bush's terms, except that it didn't. Not saying they worked with him during the 2nd term, but someone needed to put the brakes on since he was driving the country over a cliff, and had already proved him self irresponsible with the way he lied his way into a war that was not in our country's best interest.

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    6. Re:This is rich by Holi · · Score: 1

      But they don't just harm themselves, ever.

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  7. This is news? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    Elected officials, corrupted by a virtually limitless supply of money in the form of campaign contributions and inducements by lobbyists, do the bidding of those who pay for their "service". Business as usual. Do something different, or STFU about it.

    1. Re:This is news? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Yes. The more power you give to government the more people spend to control this power.

      You want to change this? Don't have government try to solve every last problem - this way you (as the oversight committee - ie the voter) is able to focus on the important items.

      The less the govt is involved in the more you can see what's going on. The more it does everything the less you can do.

      Example - speed limits shouldn't be the province of the fed government.

      re net neutrality - maybe the FEC should be LESS powerful. Then money wouldn't be going there to influence decisions.

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    2. Re:This is news? by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Or you know, the obvious solution of actively enforcing anti-corruption laws and all those 'small details'.

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    3. Re:This is news? by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Or you know, the obvious solution of actively enforcing anti-corruption laws and all those 'small details'.

      Good luck getting them to enforce corruption laws against themselves. That's been the problem. There've been plenty of anti-corruption/oversight laws passed, but the government will never convict itself, particularly once it has become such a behemoth as it is today, controlling trillions of dollars.

      The more power you allow a government, the more prone to corruption and tyranny and the less accountable to its' citizens it becomes. It's like a 'Second Law of Thermodynamics' for governments. It is inescapable unless and until huge changes occur to basic human behavior that would render us an almost entirely different species that may not even require government at all.

      Strat

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  8. Show a fucking spine, congress by swb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't threaten to daydream about thinking about maybe issuing a subpoena.

    Issue the fucking subpeona. When he doesn't immediately comply, charge him with inherent contempt of congress and have the sergeant-at-arms drag him forcibly in front of the committee to answer questions and jail him if he doesn't comply.

    Congress really ought to build a Plexiglas jail cell in the Capitol visitor center specifically for government officials who refuse to recognize the subpoena authority of congress. Nothing would compel their compliance more than knowing that the alternative outcome may be high visibility detention facility where tourists come to learn about the many powers of the US Congress.

    1. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Issue the fucking subpeona. When he doesn't immediately comply, charge him with inherent contempt of congress and have the sergeant-at-arms drag him forcibly in front of the committee to answer questions and jail him if he doesn't comply.

      I know that in the wet dream of Internet users, that sounds really manly... but it doesn't quite work like that...

      I'll bet 10 dollars that the FBI doesn't respond to the subpoena properly on Clinton until after the election...

    2. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      To do that, first they would have to arrest...

      Eric Holder, refusing to comply with Congressional subpoena
      Lois Lerner, refusing to answer questions in a Congressional investigation.
      Clapper, lying under oath to Congress.
      Pagliano, refusing to appear in front of Congress after a subpoena.
      Clinton, lying under oath to Congress during an investigation.

      Those are just the obvious big name ones, not one has faced a single repercussion over the last 8 years. In fact the Democrats in Congress have expressed countless outrages that any of those people were ever even questioned.

      You, the DNC that is, set the bar that defying Congress is acceptable. Now that it hits something important to you finally you care. Sorry, but the IRS infringing on freedom of speech and REFUSING to answer any questions about it ranks higher than net neutrality and you didn't care then, in fact you probably cheered. Reap what you sow.
       

    3. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by swb · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress' subpoena powers are covered by the speech and debate clause of the constitution, making their subpoenas immune from judicial challenge -- "for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place".

      This means that under the broad umbrella of congressional speech (which includes issuing subpoenas) they have nearly complete legal immunity, including from judicial intervention.

      If Congress were more willing to use the force of constitutional law at their disposal, we might have fewer dipshit bureaucrats acting like they were above the law. You fuck around in a Federal courtroom, and I guarantee you the judge will jail you for contempt so fast it'll make your head swim. Yet Federal officials seem to get away with flipping congress the finger, suppressing documents and dissembling under oath to Congress. Why?

    4. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress' subpoena powers are covered by the speech and debate clause of the constitution, making their subpoenas immune from judicial challenge -- "for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place".

      This means that under the broad umbrella of congressional speech (which includes issuing subpoenas) they have nearly complete legal immunity, including from judicial intervention.

      If Congress were more willing to use the force of constitutional law at their disposal, we might have fewer dipshit bureaucrats acting like they were above the law. You fuck around in a Federal courtroom, and I guarantee you the judge will jail you for contempt so fast it'll make your head swim. Yet Federal officials seem to get away with flipping congress the finger, suppressing documents and dissembling under oath to Congress. Why?

      Because, at the very heart of it, members of Congress have a highly tuned sense of self-preservation and are smart enough to understand that they might be on the other side of the gavel one day. At least this way they know that they can delay and obfuscate long enough to get away with things.

    5. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Why?

      Because the real world isn't a law book or a class room...

      There is a middle ground between "yes" and "no", the FBI can find all sorts of "reasonable sounding" ways to not comply, for awhile...

    6. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Issue the fucking subpeona. When he doesn't immediately comply, charge him with inherent contempt of congress and have the sergeant-at-arms drag him forcibly in front of the committee to answer questions and jail him if he doesn't comply.

      Hey, great idea -- that Bryan Pagilano dude is TOAST.

      Oh, sorry, wrong Congress.

    7. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Btw, one thing that seems to have been pointed out in the hearings the last few days, seems to be, unless I am remembering this wrong, that Hillary Clinton was NOT under oath when questioned by the FBI. Something I thought sounded a little odd.

      Maybe I remembered this wrong?

    8. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To add to my comment above, I suppose Hillary Clinton could perhaps had been BOTH under oath on some occasions, and NOT under oath on some different occasion.

    9. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress really ought to build a Plexiglas jail cell in the Capitol visitor center specifically for government officials who refuse to recognize the subpoena authority of congress. Nothing would compel their compliance more than knowing that the alternative outcome may be high visibility detention facility where tourists come to learn about the many powers of the US Congress.

      I think that also would send a powerful message about how we've got the highest incarceration rate in the world. See, even our leaders are prisoners, in the middle of the Capitol!

    10. Re:Show a fucking spine, congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress is corrupt, that's why.

  9. Why would I admit a lie is true? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Interesting

    For the first half of those eight years, Democrats controlled the house and senate and white house.

    So why should I admit to something that never happened? Why would you ask that people admit to an obvious lie?

    Is this total ability to believe a lie something that has infected Democrats universally? I mean you would think it would be just a handful like Hillary but as you show, it seems to be the entire party that is corrupted absolutely to where they no longer will believe anything that is not a lie...

    For something more recent, was it Republicans or Democrats that were blocking Zika funding. HMM!

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    1. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by AaronW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even then nothing could be done without a filibuster proof majority. When in the minority the republicans waged the filibuster to block just about everything. While both parties make use of it, the republicans brought it to a whole new level. The whole art of compromise has been lost to them. It's either give me everything I want or nothing.

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    2. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by beheaderaswp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually- it was only two terms of congress. 2 years- which you are referring to.

      If you think it's a lie- then you and I have a different understanding of what truth is. That legislation was blocked because of amendments by the Republicans.

      Why is your party holding hostage legislation by amending it with items that the Democrats would not pass? That seems obstructionist to me.

      I'll answer the question for you: Because they can whine (like you) in the press and on comment sections- about how the Democrats torpedoed Zika legislation.

      And why not? It's good for the Republican base- because they really don't care about anything that doesn't fit their agenda. It's good for the party because they can wave the flag about "stopping the evil Democrats".

      And whether it's either party doing this- I don't care. Compromise is the core of constitutionality in the United States. THIS obstructionist move is the fault of Republicans.

      You've also made the mistake of thinking I'm partisan. I'm not. But you need to call anyone who disagrees with you a Democrat.

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    3. Re: Why would I admit a lie is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just guessing... Was it the Republicans by crippling the bill and inserting something into the fineprint that says the funds can only be used to shoot zika with guns or drown zika in oil?

    4. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      While you are correct, that's not necessarily a bad tactic. If I may quote from a previous generation "Give me liberty or give me death!".

      I don't have to approve of every time the tactic is used to consider the tactic reasonable as a tactic. But if you don't use it in moderation, you are just reaffirming absolutist power in whoever is stronger with no compromise considered. Clearly any attempt to compromise with the current Republicans is a very bad move. They'll take, but they won't give. What;s been surprising was the length of time that it took the Democrats to even start to realize this. It makes me wonder if the Republicans weren't doing what they wanted to do, but didn't want to be publicly associated with.

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    5. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 1

      For something more recent, was it Republicans or Democrats that were blocking Zika funding. HMM!

      Looks to me like: Republicans put poison pills into the funding bill, and the Democrats therefore blocked it. So, if someone says 'here's a bill that everyone really, really need, but we're going to eviscerate these 3 other things that you like', then you should vote for it? What do you think this shows? To me it shows that the Republicans are holding the Zika funding hostage, but I'd love to hear your explanation for it.

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    6. Re: Why would I admit a lie is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. The Democrats only controlled the Senate for about a year, until Scott Brown was sworn in. After that they had a majority, but Republicans could block anything with a filibuster.

    7. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I may quote from a previous generation "Give me liberty or give me death!".

      If I may quote, then "While he loved liberty, he detested the crimes that had been committed in its name."

    8. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      Guess what eight minus two is.

      Still not eight.

      Like I said - lies. You can waffle over the detail of how big of a lie was being told, but that doesn't change the facts.

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    9. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by dog77 · · Score: 1
      What are the poison pills you are reffering to?

      Democrats want direct funding for plan parenthood in the bill to help deal with Zika. Republicans don't want this, but would allow for states to allocate money as needed (including plan parenthood).

      Democrats want this bill considered to be emergency funding, but Republicans have paid for part of the 1.1 billion dollar bill with 750 million from ~100 million of unused funds from Ebola and ~540 million from unused funds from the affordable health care act. The funds for the affordable health care act were unused because in some US territories it was not feasible to setup exchanges and they opted for additional medicare funding and so did not need the money to setup the exchanges.

      So nothing really poisonous going on, just disagreement.

    10. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are the poison pills you are reffering to?

      Democrats want direct funding for plan parenthood in the bill to help deal with Zika. Republicans don't want this, but would allow for states to allocate money as needed (including plan parenthood).

      Democrats want this bill considered to be emergency funding, but Republicans have paid for part of the 1.1 billion dollar bill with 750 million from ~100 million of unused funds from Ebola and ~540 million from unused funds from the affordable health care act. The funds for the affordable health care act were unused because in some US territories it was not feasible to setup exchanges and they opted for additional medicare funding and so did not need the money to setup the exchanges.

      So nothing really poisonous going on, just disagreement.

      NNope. Republicans banned Planned Parenthood funding in Puerto Rico. But they've lost the image on it just like they did for the shutdowns, and no, nobody believes the crap about the Confederate flag belongs either.

      Republicans tried to make a political grand-standing, and failed, they weren't doing anything but with lives.

      Why do you expect the rest of us to fall for it? Why do you have so little regard for anyone else?

    11. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      that's it.
      keep pretending filibusters and holds and other legislative maneuvers the minority party can use to block bills and votes aren't a thing.

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    12. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      that's it.
      keep pretending filibusters and holds and other legislative maneuvers the minority party can use to block bills and votes aren't a thing.

      also, it was the first 2 years, not the first 4.
      the first year of which was largely consumed by trying to fix the economy and pass the ACA. and even those two things were not uniformly popular within the democratic party, particularly once the president compromised with the GOP by removing the public option from the ACA proposal.

      and lets bring up Zika.
      lets do.
      for example....WHY were democrats blocking?
      because the GOP knowingly put a poison pill in there to single out Planned Parenthood and prevent any funds from going to it.
      so once again, you're a fing moron.

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    13. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by dywolf · · Score: 0

      because the GOP totally didn't filibuster during the 2 years they didn't control congress....
      Idiot.

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    14. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, democrats want the funding available to all entities who can fight/treat zika related conditions.
      which includes planned parenthood, and organization that at this point the GOP would destroy even if they were the only ones who could save the world from a extinction level medical crisis.

    15. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by haapi · · Score: 2

      The Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority (barely) for about 5 months between the time Al Franken was sworn in and Ted Kennedy died.
      That was it. And there are more obstruction techniques than just filibustering.

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      Well, apparently, you only have to fool the majority of people for a little while.
    16. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it was only 2 years when the Democrats controlled both the Senate and House. The "tea party" election of 2010 flipped the House and we got stagnation policy.

    17. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That's fair, but beside the point of the argument. The tactic is not inherently reprehensible. Merely extremely dangerous. If you use it when it isn't justified (how to tell?) then you lose any reasonable expectation of compromise to achieve your goals.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    18. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      awww.
      poor lil moderator got his feelings hurt by facts

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    19. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It is hard to compromise with someone who refuses to even come to the table to discuss anything:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      Every time the republicans try to make a stand it is the same thing from Obama, he won't negotiate anything, he wants exactly what he wants and no less. Can you blame congress for saying no?

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    20. Re:Why would I admit a lie is true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the time Obama was considering someone for the Supreme Court, and all the Republicans came out and said NO, before they even knew who he was going to choose...
      Republicans aren't know as the party of NO for nothing.

  10. Where is the comments from Republicans? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    The article appears to be a press release written by the Congressman Elijah Cummings' staff (with some editing by the reporter whose name appears on the byline). It contains NO information from ANY other source.

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    The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    1. Re:Where is the comments from Republicans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It contains NO information from ANY other source."

      No wonder slashdot jumped on the opportunity to smear the right.

    2. Re:Where is the comments from Republicans? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but he claims to have the backing of the entire committee, which has a Republican majority. It would be a pretty stupid thing to lie about since his fellow committee members can just deny it... Of course, being a member of Congress, stupid lies aren't out of the question...

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      Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
    3. Re:Where is the comments from Republicans? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      If Cummings has the backing of the entire committee it would be the first time. Of course, why would you think this was a stupid thing to lie about. When he, and his staff, probably knew that the reporter was not going to ask anyone else on the committee (or the committee's staff) about his claims...and low and behold, the reporter did not.

      Not even a simple email saying, "Representative Cummings' office is making these claims(see attached). Do you have any comments?"

      The reporter attempted to cover for his lack of follow up by telling us that the two men being attacked by Representative Cummings refused to comment. Well, of course they did. Anything they said could only cause them greater problems. The key problem with the article is that the reporter takes Cummings word (or his staffers') for it that the Democratic members of the FCC have been forthcoming in releasing documents.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    4. Re:Where is the comments from Republicans? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      why would you think this was a stupid thing to lie about

      It's a stupid thing to lie about because it's black and white. To prove he doesn't have the entire backing of the committee, all they have to do is come out and say it, since they are the majority of the committee.

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      Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
    5. Re:Where is the comments from Republicans? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Of course, someone has to REPORT that they said it. For that matter, how would they even know he was making the claim? This reporter did not even ask them about it. Yeah, now that it has been reported they are likely to find out, but all anybody will remember is this initial story, not what they may say now. Even now, what makes you think someone would report it if they said anything?

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    6. Re:Where is the comments from Republicans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might as well ask them, "Commissioners, just when exactly did you stop beating your wives?"

      FWIW, btw, for the record, anyone thinking the FCC's decision last year had anything to do with net neutrality, as commonly understood in the past, well, I want some of what you're smoking. Wait, no, I think not. Don't want to end up going around chewing off people's faces or something.

  11. Oh really by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    And how many times did Republicans filibuster again?

    You are probably just as mistaken as Obama, since you all get your info from the save hive-mind of lies.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re: Oh really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, I know you're upset that they had no dramatic speeches to go with it, but you can go ahead and admit it, even Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell owned up to it.

      They still can't own up to their tantrum over Obama nominating a candidate they couldn't refuse so they had to blame the vice-president.

  12. Elijah Cummings??? REALLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cummings is the Democrat on the committee who has run interference for both Obama (on Fast&Furious) and Hillary(on Benghazi and her e-mails and servers) insiting all along that Obama and Hillary and the administration are right to hide documents from the courts and congress and FOIA requests by the public. Yup, he's a guy who is always calling for "gun control" while doing every thing he possibly can to help Obama hide the records of the Fast&Furious program that transferred hundreds, and possibly thousands, of so-called assault weapons directly to Mexican drug gangs.

    When Cummings complains that ANYBODY is not being "transparent", a very large political shark has been jumped.

    Oh, and he is the same Cummings who has supported the Democrat FCC members hiding documents related to their proposals to regulate political speech in the internet. Yup, he's perfectly happy to have Democrat FCC commissioners hide all sorts of stuff. This has NOTHING to do with "openness" and EVERYTHING to do with the impending election and the desperate need the Democrats have to get out every voter from every micro-targeted Democrat demographic group. This is intended to anger young idiots who live on the web and want all their videos streamed for free while having no concept of how phoney and hypocritical representative Cummings truly is. The only troll in congress who behaves as badly as Mr Cummings is Alan Grayson.

    Personally, I'm consistent: I want full transaprency from BOTH parties. I want every last thing the FCC committe members discuss to be dicussed in public under glaring klieg lights with cameras rolling and audio recording. I want every single document that exists within the FCC to be created in public, saved in an open-source campatible format and posted to the net as it is created. I am VERY different from the hyper-partisan Mr Cummings, who is a despicable troll in favor of unlimited corruption by his own party. He is a HACK. A true "reformer" does what Governor Sarah Palin did in Alaska: SHE went after corruption in BOTH parties, ruining sweet-heart deals Republicans had with the oil companies there right along with the headaches she caused the Democrats.

  13. Ha ha, Elija Cummings wouldn't LIE??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are too many examples of this clown's lies to fit in a posting here. Let me just illustrate with one and let you do a little research if you have the intellectual curiosity and honesty to do so.

    When Representative Issa was investigating operation Fast and Furious (The Obama administration providing a huge quantity of assault weapons to Mexican drug gangs) and President Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder was hiding documents and making blatantly false statements about the overall program and various details one interesting thing that came up was an Eric Holder claim about wire taps. Holder and Cummings made a boatload of false statements about those wiretaps and they counted on the public never knowing how dishonest they were being because the Obama administration was threatening to prosecute anybody who let the documents slip out. Issa got his hands on one of the wiretap applications which exposed the lies and he proceeded to make it public in the one place that the Constitution says (and the Supreme Court would uphold) a person can say ANYTHING and not be prosecuted: The House floor.

    Cummings was thus exposed as a liar, yet again.

    You do not have to take my anon word for it, try reading about it at Roll Call. After that, you can do some info spelunking for yourself to see just how many things he has been very dishonest about over the years. Mr Cummings has a very long record of extreme partisanship, lying, and fabricating. His honesty and credibility are right down there with former Republican Senator Larry-the-toe-tapper Craig. BEWARE: Elija Cummings is no friend of privacy or internet freedoms or an open government. He has supported all the spying, lying, and document hiding. He is just pushing this net neutrality narrative as a political ploy.

  14. Mr. Cummings is annoyed at his own committee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Btw, anyone watching the House Oversight Committee streams on youtube the last few days, will see that Mr. Cummings has expressed strong annoyance against the committee's hearing of the whole Clinton Email case.

    The FBI was "served" a subpoena recently by the committee chairman, to give US congress so called 302's, which seem to be summaries of interviews that FBI had with various people, and the FBI had decided to give congress just a selection of these.

    I wonder, it seems as if perhaps there are no recordings or transcripts of FBI's interview with Hillary Clinton for example.

    1. Re:Mr. Cummings is annoyed at his own committee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Replying to my own comment:

      In a recent hearing, the acting director for FBI's congressional affairs (iirc) was asked "What type of things does congress not have a right to see?"

      The FBI answered this, before the conversation moved on:
      "There is more to it than a simple answer. I think that each case is, uhm, sort of specific to its own set of facts.
      I think we tried to be.. I think Dir Comey tried to be, as transparent as he could, with this committee, (something something) as responsible as he could be."

      It sounds to me that the FBI is maybe hiding something, as if being selective about wanting to describe their own intentions, motivations and how they understand things, such that what others might deem to be legitimate concerns might as well have been hidden under the rug, for shielding the government, its employers and anything to do with an upcoming president candidate.

  15. Someone on Youtube said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone in the comment field on youtube, for a recent committee hearing said it best:

    "Answer the questions assholes" :D

  16. Have We No Prisons? by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Throw these people under the jail. It is not their privilege to deny a subpoena.

  17. Rethuglicans are a-holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject says it all.

  18. Fire them by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    Dump Pai. Replace him. Simple.