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The US Government Is Building A 'Drone Dragnet' For Battlefields (thestack.com)

The US government plans to launch "a three and a half year initiative to develop an urban drone detection system." An anonymous Slashdot reader writes: The Aerial Dragnet program is to use off-the-shelf commercial components and mostly established technologies and methods to create a network of floating or tethered platforms that will ultimately provide 95% efficient drone identification in urban areas up to 180 square kilometers. The call to proposers states that the total cost of the system for a city should be around $90,000, and would likely include the ability to identify the micro-Doppler signatures given off by UAVs -- and birds.
Unmanned aerial systems are becoming platforms "for hostile reconnaissance, targeting, and weapon delivery," warns the government document, noting drones are hard to detect because they're small and fly slowly at low altitudes. "In future urban battlegrounds, U.S. forces will be placed at risk by small UAVs which use buildings and naturally-occurring motion of the clutter to make surveillance impractical..."

25 comments

  1. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I know to release a flock of birds when I fly a drone.

    1. Re: Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was cool. Good match.

  2. Despite the possible usefulness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I cannot for a moment imagine this finding use as anything but a new abusive scheme, so long as it's the US government coming up with it.

    Probably won't catch a single terrorist, but watch it work with unbelievable power and efficiency the day we try to defend ourselves from some congressmen who want to hunt some poor for sport.

  3. wouldn't the end of a 3.5 year study by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    show that year one and two's tech was outdated?

  4. "For Battlefields" by bistromath007 · · Score: 2

    It's a fucking election year, and somehow 2016's least convincing lie has nothing to do with it.

  5. "floating or tethered platforms" by Nutria · · Score: 1

    First thing I thought was "prime enemy target".

    Then, "WW1 observation balloons", which were also prime enemy targets.

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    1. Re:"floating or tethered platforms" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking out an entire surveillance grid is of course possible, but it will generally be too much for the loan madmen.

    2. Re:"floating or tethered platforms" by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      No more FBI aircraft to track over any US city.
      https://www.theguardian.com/us... (Tuesday 2 June 2015)
      24/7 aerostats looking down. Tracking cell phones, computer use. With the NSA and OVERHEAD like options even wifi.
      https://theintercept.com/2016/...
      Total domestic drag net surveillance.
      DHS Uses Wartime Mega-Camera to Watch Border (04.02.12)
      https://www.wired.com/2012/04/...

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    3. Re:"floating or tethered platforms" by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Your attitude is why Russian hackers are stomping all over US computers.

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  6. Of course they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    necause oh noes someone might start doing unto us - what we are doing to them!!

  7. Huh by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Why would a city in some other country spend money to make things easier for the US Army? Oh wait, I think I $éà m*@#./...&*(
    no carrier

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  8. A drone version of NEACP by Justt+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    Other than areas of large no-fly areas (Washington DC?) or a temporary security corridor, such as when Air Force One is in the area, it doesn't seem to be cost effective to have everywhere.

    Seems like one more step towards having more surveillance over a given area.

    Now that the Airspace is under surveillance, better find a way to monitor underground. Maybe there are gophers wearing explosive vests? Better require all cities to track them varments. You know....just in case.

    1. Re:A drone version of NEACP by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Remember how the Iranians caused the US military to genuflect in awe of their capabilities to field thousands of Zodiacs with a bit of TNT? No? Well, they wish you did. They were right proud of their new found offensive capability. Kinda like their new stealth fighter (model).

      Basically the same theme. One purchases hundred or thousands of drones, slightly larger than the typical Phantom class and capable of hauling, say, a stick of dynamite or C4, and runs them through a civilian target. Pretty easy to do. Pretty easy to defend against but you would have to rig it up specifically for this level of threat - F35's are probably not going to be real useful here.

      That's what this appears to be.

      Of course, no good deed goes unpunished, you could use this against home grown terrorist, er, patriots in some sort of uprising mode but then you've got more important problems to deal with besides uploading the resolution to YouTube.

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    2. Re:A drone version of NEACP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only true given society decides to engage in normal urban warfare.

      Also, large dragnet surveillance systems have historically been a complete failure at stopping the bad guys. This system is great, right up until the point everyone starts running around with guy-fox masks, or 3d face-mask print-outs of US Military personnel, or they get umbrella's that block infrared with the picture of a dog on the top.

      A lot of crap like this comes from the investor class's belief that people are cattle, a resource to be traded, exploited, and abused like anything else. These stories are nothing more than FUD factor, trying to keep people in their place by doing what the elites have done since the dawn of time, make them think there's some omniscient being watching their every move. That the elites are in fact gods.

      Fact is society is automating what used to be manual labor, those people have to go somewhere, they are not just going to die off. Fact is, to get engineers who really are motivated to do well and be creative for decades on end, you need self-determination and sufficient freedom to execute it. We used to, as a country, do that, for everyone, and what ended up happening is everyone contributed to improving the products and society and everyone was improving schooling and striving to do better as it made sense to. However, that introduces risks to megalomaniacs who currently run the show in that they can lose their fortune because "the market is too competitive". Go look up ideological subjugation on youtube, that's how they got power, and it's not working very well because people have caught onto the bullcrap as a matter of survival and reproductive assurance. Eventually you will get the engineers and people getting this crazy idea that they are infact cattle. Then, as the disease spreads, you get layers of people checking on other layers because people intentionally screw up. Then you get epic feats of stupidity resulting in epic failures occurring because all the layers are messing up at once, and then everyone steals everything that isn't nailed down to the floor. Seen it happen multiple times.

      The dirtbags in power now will get tar'd, feather'd, and invited to jump the executive suite and see if their newfound genus allows them to fly, or live in exile. Society will return to that point where everyone is contributing, we will automate a hell of a lot of shit, in a generation or two, we will be a society of millions of engineers, and we will figure out how to go to the stars. The elites can either get on board with the program, or get run over by it. Their choice.

    3. Re:A drone version of NEACP by Max_W · · Score: 1

      ...One purchases hundred or thousands of drones, slightly larger than the typical Phantom class and capable of hauling, say, a stick of dynamite or C4, and runs them through a civilian target. Pretty easy to do. Pretty easy to defend against but you would have to rig it up specifically for this level of threat - F35's are probably not going to be real useful here...

      Drones are no good as weapons while fighting with peers. With savages - yes, but not with peers. Drones' control radio-signal is extremely vulnerable to jamming by the electronic warfare (EW) systems. For example, if something like this is switched on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... it will not be a good flying day for a drone pilot.

    4. Re:A drone version of NEACP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either we need more surveillance or less people who believe we should be eradicated or submit.

    5. Re:A drone version of NEACP by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      This could have so many useful civilian purposes to enhance GPS and FAA systems, but no, they had to go military with it.

  9. Skynet by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    SIGNAL RECEIVED .... Skynet connectng to drone dragnet .... SIGNAL COMPLETED

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  10. Threatened daily. by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    I'm being threatened daily by drones by the thousands screaming overhead. Wait, no I'm not. The only drone I've ever seen was my own.

  11. Re: Unnecessary military slant by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Or it could be used peacefully and be part of a system to manage drones used in peaceful pursuits. The FAA is currently ill-equipped to deal with civilian drones from my information gathering.

  12. Pass The Rolls, Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This pork is delicious!

  13. Surveillance by howlingmad · · Score: 1

    Where will all the data go?

  14. iNSAne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Snowden was here he'd point out that this will only be used against americans by their government.