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Ask Slashdot: Why Aren't Techies Improving The World?

Slashdot reader marmot7 isn't impressed by "the latest app that solves some made up problem. I'm impressed by apps that solve real problems..." I don't feel that developers, sys admins, finance people, even policy wonks focus on the problems that we need to solve to have a healthy functioning society. It seems like it's mostly about short-term gain and not much about making the world better. That may be just the way the market works.

Is it that there's no profit to be made in solving the most important problems? I'm puzzled by that as I would think that a good solution to an important problem could find some funding from somewhere but maybe government, for example, won't take investment risks in that way?

Is there a systematic bias that channels technology workers into more profitable careers? (Or stunning counter-examples that show technology workers are making the world a better place?) Leave your answers in the comments. Why aren't geeks doing more to improve the world?

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  1. You may be looking in the wrong place by macklin01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of us who entered science and academia did so to make the world a better place, and many of us are techies. You'd be amazed at home much coding and tech is required for pretty much every area of science today.

    We're writing open source software to solve real problems in science and engineering. We're spending the last of our startups on open access for our papers because it's the right thing to do. We're contributing to open data repositories because sharing data makes all our work better. We're writing free content on blogs, code tutorials, and MOOCs for public outreach, because we view our roles as educators seriously.

    Most people in academic endure years of low pay and job uncertainty as postdocs and entry-level faculty--and defer or postpone indefinitely having children and buying that starter home--rather than faster and better-paying paths in industry, IP law, and mathematical finance because we do want to make the world a better place, and we're actively working on it.

    So, while I agree with your general feeling, take a look around, and you'll see more techies trying make a difference that you might have realized.

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  2. What do we need? by Jonathan+C.+Patschke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your question implies the following:

    • The we know what a functioning and healthy society looks like and, thus, know what next step we're missing to get there.
    • That there is anything like a consensus on what the "most" important problems are or what their approaches should be.
    • That these are problems with direct solutions in "technology," without cutting-edge domain-specific knowledge.

    I'm not sure that any of these is strictly true, and I'm nearly positive that we'll only know most of those answers in hindsight.

    How about race relations? There's no app for that. War? You can't solder-up a PCB that convinces governments to stop murdering each other's citizens over differences of opinion.

    Speaking of governments, what would a "techie" solution to government oppression look like? We have Tor, cryptocurrencies, steganographic filesystems, and mobile devices that would destroy the data on them before giving it up to an intrusive search, and look at how governments react.

    That said, how about some of the areas where technology absolutely has worked on big problems?

    Do you think climate change is a big problem? Do you think that the amount of power consumed by information technology globally is a terrifying figure in the face of anthropogenic climate change? This is a problem we know how to fix in "tech," and we're working on it.

    Deaths due to traffic accidents? Computer vision and distributed coordination algorithms are at the core of self-driving automobiles.

    How about 3D-printed prosthetics, or the medical industry in general? Data processing revolutionized drug research and genome work. Sure, there are more people doing silly apps than designing new systems for doing drug interaction simulation because one requires connections to established research labs, years of work, very expensive studies of efficacy, a decade of postsecondary education to have the domain-specific knowledge, and a hardware budget that runs into the millions; the other requires a crappy $300 laptop and some free software.

    If there's a big problem out there that you want solved, either put up, pay up, or shut up.

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  3. I believe in working to make things better. by ITRambo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a coatings chemist, then Technical Director, I developed the first low VOC waterborne coating for computers that lowered the bake from 30 minsutes at 350F to 30 minutes at 150F. I knew the otherwise thermoplastic resin self-condensed (crosslinked) at 140F, so no hazardous melamine or urea were needed to develop the office chimerical resistance (cleaners, foods) that was specified, either. This was around 1978. It was developed originally for Digital. Customers took forever to approve it even though it met their specs. How could a low polluting. energy saving waterborne acrylic be as good as a high temperature bake polyester coating with 6 pounds of hydrocarbons per gallons? Give the younger techies an opportunity to try new ideas. Let them make a little dent. All the little improvements add up to less energy use and cleaner air.

  4. Re:like what? by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Capitalism. Venture capital firms are not seeking to solve problems, they're seeking a return on investment.

  5. Re:like what? by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't Venture Capital throwing money at a problem with the hope of solving it and making money? Why is throwing money at BeerMe, DriveMe, FeedMe, etc., a reasonable idea but throwing money at a more important problem not acceptable or likely to work?

    Solving a problem does not inherently make you money. Creating a solution customers are willing and able to spend money on will make you money. By giving $10 to a starving poor person I could solve that hunger (at least temporarily), but I am unlikely to see a return on that "investment". Finding a way to make a better tasting ketchup, on the other hand, could make a lot of money, regardless of whether tastier ketchup is a more important than feeding starving people.

    Venture capital is not charity. Wealthy people can certainly choose to start a foundation (like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) instead of investing in a VC firm if solving "important" problems is their goal. If they choose investing, however, return on investment is likely the goal.

    There are a lot of VC funded companies solving very important problems, but the reason they were funded almost certainly was because they could show a potential return on investment. Social good could have been a factor, but very few companies (or possibly no companies) are funded by VC's as a charity case.

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  6. Hackaday Prize by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out the Hackaday prize, over at Hackaday.io.

    For three years running, Hackaday has hosted the contest with a $100,000 first prize and a handful of $10,000 prizes.

    Several of the prize categories would be appropriate for solving world problems, such as "citizen scientist", "automation", and "assistive technologies". (The other two categories are catch-alls which could also contain world-bearing solutions.

    Many of the projects are high-concept. There are about 1000 entries this year, so you will get a wide range of possible project including some risible ones.

    But there are definitely some strong entries this year.

    I follow the Automatic Digital Microscope project, which hopes to automate (and speed up) the detection of tuberculosis in 3rd world countries.

    The Electrospinning machine looks really interesting, could possibly become the next "3d printer" appliance for hackers.

    The very high accuracy tilt sensor is possibly a new technology (I hadn't seen or heard of it before).

    If you want to find techies improving the world, you might include Hackaday.io (specifically: the prize entries) in your search.

    If you want to improve the world yourself, you might consider coming up with a project and entering the prize next year.

    If you want to *help* improve the world, you might consider joining a Hackaday.io team that's entered for the prize.

  7. Re:like what? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Autonomous vehicles could solve a number of problems. They'd reduce the amount of space required for parking and would potentially greatly reduce the need for internal combustion engines.

    And provide mobility for people with visual or physical impairment, eliminate drunk driving deaths and most of the deaths caused by driver error, too, dramatically reduce the delays caused by traffic lights, dramatically increase average road speed by reducing accidents and driving at faster speeds with shorter spacing between cars and speeding up more quickly when the car in front of you does, and dramatically increase fuel economy as a result of those other improvements.

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  8. Techies ARE improving the world by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The headline asks a question that is based on a false premise. Techies are doing more than anyone to improve the world. We have gone 70 years without a major war. Why? Two reasons, better communications and nuclear weapons. Both of these are because the techies that built the Internet, launched the comsats, and split the atom. Today, the Internet is bringing literacy and prosperity to the third world. Better solar cells and windmills are bringing us clean energy. Wikipedia is compiling the world's knowledge, and Google is giving us a way to search it instantly.

    All of this is being done by us nerds. Who else is doing as much to create a better world? Lawyers? Journalists? Politicians? I don't think so.

    1. Re:Techies ARE improving the world by Pseudonym · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We have gone 70 years without a major war. Why?

      Because politicians managed to avoid nuclear exchange a few times through the careful use of diplomacy. That, and global trade.

      Why, just since the end of the Cold War, techies have supplied us with smarter weapons and drones so we can kill lots more people while pretending that we're not actually engaging in warfare, the ability to perform wholesale surveillance on our own populace (both in the public and private sector!), and a whole lot of snake-oil security theatre machines to remind us all to be scared.

      Thanks, techies!

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    2. Re: Techies ARE improving the world by khallow · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please count the number of casulaties that have fallen in those 'minor' wars for the resources that make our financial elite even more rich than they already are, and then tell me again it's only 'minor'.

      It's worth doing that exercise. The author of the linked webpage claims about 22 million war deaths including genocide and non state-based warfare from after the end of the Second World War through to 2007. That's about what the First World War killed in four years (not counting the 1918 influenza epidemic which was greatly expedited by the war). And of course, the Second World War killed at least three times as many people in an eight year period.

      If we look at per capita, war deaths in the current period of peace are even more pronounced. The Second World War is thought to have killed at least 3% of the people alive at the time. That would be well over 200 million people now. We are nowhere near that.

      Do the numbers. See for yourself.

  9. Re:like what? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Technology isin't that important.

    You mean technology like vaccines that wiped out smallpox, and will soon wipe out polio?

    Smallpox has killed more people than all the war in history combined, including more than 300 million during the 20th century. That is six WW2s. That is important.

    The problem with tech, is that once it is part of our lives, we no longer consider it "tech", and we take it for granted.

    How old are you?

    Old enough to have a smallpox vaccine scar on my arm. Old enough to remember polio killing people in America.