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North Korea Has Just 28 Websites (vice.com)

In September of 2014, NetCraft confirmed there to be over 1 billion websites on the world wide web. There are over 140 million .com and .net domains alone, as well as millions of websites for each country code top-level domain (ccTLD), such as .de for Germany and .cn for China. But in North Korea, the number of websites the country has registered for its top-level domain is in the double digits. Motherboard reports: On Tuesday, apparently by mistake, North Korea misconfigured its nameserver, essentially a list that holds information on all of the domains that exist for .kp, allowing anyone to query it and get the list. In other words, a snafu by North Korea's system administrators allowed anyone to ask the country's nameserver: "can I have all of your information on this domain?" and get an answer, giving everyone a peek into the strange world of North Korea's web. North Korea has only 28 registered domains, according to the leaked data. "We didn't think there was much in the way of internet resources in North Korea, and according to these leaked zone files, we were right," Doug Madory, a researcher at Dyn, a company that monitors internet use and access around the world, told Motherboard. Some of the sites aren't reachable, perhaps because after Bryant discovered them, they are being deluged with traffic.

138 comments

  1. Help Wanted by LifesABeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    System Administrator, North Korea. Prior SA left to spend more time with Ancestors.

    1. Re:Help Wanted by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      To be honest, and when you look at the poor state of the country, I think 14 is a pretty decent number. I mean, that's just north of the number of domain names I own, so they're more prolific than me.

      That should count for something, no?

    2. Re:Help Wanted by HBI · · Score: 4, Insightful

      North Korea is a hellhole. I don't care how many web sites they have. I do care about millions essentially enslaved and starved by that atrocious, autocratic government of the Kims.

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    3. Re:Help Wanted by marmot7 · · Score: 1

      North Korea is a hellhole. I don't care how many web sites they have. I do care about millions essentially enslaved and starved by that atrocious, autocratic government of the Kims.

      I don't think many people would disagree with you that it's a hellhole but things like this make it easier for people to understand. It's not easy to comprehend what it's like to live in a true, card carrying hell hole.

    4. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken by someone who has never been to North Korea nor knows how to point to it on a map.

    5. Re:Help Wanted by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Funny

      "No country should need more than 28 websites"
      -- Bill Jong Gates

    6. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken by someone who has never been to North Korea nor knows how to point to it on a map.

      Kim Jong Un, is that you? Butthurt, much??

    7. Re:Help Wanted by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, there is this:

      Pyongyang traffic girls http://www.pyongyangtrafficgir...

    8. Re:Help Wanted by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      sorry, we only regime change for money and/or power

    9. Re:Help Wanted by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Not THAT much worse than how the Sauds and their cronies treat their slaves, I mean, subjects, I mean, population. The main difference is probably that there's no oil in NKor.

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    10. Re:Help Wanted by geekmux · · Score: 2

      "No country should need more than 28 websites" -- Bill Jong Gates

      *throws chair*

      "I'm going to fucking kill that SysAdmin!"

      -- Steve Ballmer (former Microsoft meme champion, as of 20 minutes ago)

    11. Re:Help Wanted by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      They don't have many websites, but apparently they have a fair number of Anonymous Cowards.

    12. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Kim, calm down and have another donut.

    13. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do care about millions essentially enslaved and starved by that atrocious, autocratic government of the Kims.

      Yeah, just think, you could enslave them yourself, and then you'd be the one with the statues and palaces.

      All you need to do is find a way to seize the crown!

    14. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey parrot, you already used that one. Can't you come up with something more original? Nah, you can't.

    15. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so right, it'd be FAR better for them if they were FINANCIALLY enslaved by profiteer western companies like Apple in slave-labor working conditions, for American corporate profit. Kim is icky!

    16. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get your dick out of your ass for two minutes and read/watch/listen to what actual survivors, refugees, defectors, and humanitarian aide eorkers have to say.

      There's a reason NKorean language has been basically crystalized over the last fifty years.

    17. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, cuz registering to this silly site, playground of vain intellectualist wannabes requires such mental capacity that it is a feat on its own, magically boosting your credentials. Master of valid point making you are...

      I don't register because it is beneath me, which is also the reason why I get to have an objective opinion and you are brainwashed cattle.

    18. Re:Help Wanted by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Sounds like Bill Jong Gates and APK might have a lot in common...

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    19. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember the time.
      When trolls.
      Would go meow.

    20. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me more about how you want the rest of the world to submit to your Western world view!

      FWIW, most North Korean sites are blocked from the outside world. Net craft won't be able to see them.

    21. Re:Help Wanted by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      I bet that your family isn't starving though. Nor, do they march to your orders. I could be wrong on that one.

    22. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you're right http://setiathome.berkeley.edu... employee member of SETI team Microsoft APK (aka AlecStaar https://slashdot.org/comments.... )?

    23. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pyongyang traffic girls

      PhwoarYang more like!!!

    24. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where have you been? Netcraft can't, but we've had Netcraft 2, Netcraft 3 and World of Netcraft since then, which are more than capable if you have a rig powerful enough.

    25. Re:Help Wanted by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Don't forget, DPRK state media has endorsed Donald J. Trump for president (this is not a joke).

      http://www.reuters.com/article...

      http://www.politico.com/story/...

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    26. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      listen to what actual survivors, refugees, defectors, and humanitarian aide eorkers have to say.

      I'd love to listen to what the "aide eorkers" have to say but you haven't bothered to link to any sources :-(

    27. Re:Help Wanted by HBI · · Score: 0

      Panmunjom I have been to and I have seen the DMZ. So yes, I have actually walked on NK soil. I've spent a lot of time in the South. There is no comparison.

      That's what happens when you assume, idiot. Unless you were born on the Pen, you haven't been there more than me.

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    28. Re:Help Wanted by HBI · · Score: 1

      I've been to both places, i'd much rather live as a Saudi indentured servant.

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    29. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woof

    30. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're keeping up with the Kim's eh?

      Admit it.

    31. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get to have an objective opinion and you are brainwashed cattle.

      Wow, from claiming to have an objective opinion to demonstrating otherwise in five words.

    32. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's just jealous.

    33. Re:Help Wanted by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think many people would disagree with you that it's a hellhole but things like this make it easier for people to understand. It's not easy to comprehend what it's like to live in a true, card carrying hell hole.

      There are a few hints available.

      Revealed: the gas chamber horror of North Korea's gulag

      In the remote north-eastern corner of North Korea, close to the border of Russia and China, is Haengyong. Hidden away in the mountains, this remote town is home to Camp 22 - North Korea's largest concentration camp, where thousands of men, women and children accused of political crimes are held. Now, it is claimed, it is also where thousands die each year and where prison guards stamp on the necks of babies born to prisoners to kill them. . . .

      Witnesses have described watching entire families being put in glass chambers and gassed. They are left to an agonising death while scientists take notes. The allegations offer the most shocking glimpse so far of Kim Jong-il's North Korean regime.

      Kwon Hyuk, who has changed his name, was the former military attaché at the North Korean Embassy in Beijing. He was also the chief of management at Camp 22. In the BBC's This World documentary, to be broadcast tonight, Hyuk claims he now wants the world to know what is happening.

      'I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber,' he said. 'The parents, son and and a daughter. The parents were vomiting and dying, but till the very last moment they tried to save kids by doing mouth-to-mouth breathing.'

      Hyuk has drawn detailed diagrams of the gas chamber he saw. He said: 'The glass chamber is sealed airtight. It is 3.5 metres wide, 3m long and 2.2m high_ [There] is the injection tube going through the unit. Normally, a family sticks together and individual prisoners stand separately around the corners. Scientists observe the entire process from above, through the glass.'

      He explains how he had believed this treatment was justified. 'At the time I felt that they thoroughly deserved such a death. Because all of us were led to believe that all the bad things that were happening to North Korea were their fault; that we were poor, divided and not making progress as a country.

      'It would be a total lie for me to say I feel sympathetic about the children dying such a painful death. Under the society and the regime I was in at the time, I only felt that they were the enemies. So I felt no sympathy or pity for them at all.'

      His testimony is backed up by Soon Ok-lee, who was imprisoned for seven years. 'An officer ordered me to select 50 healthy female prisoners,' she said. 'One of the guards handed me a basket full of soaked cabbage, told me not to eat it but to give it to the 50 women. I gave them out and heard a scream from those who had eaten them. They were all screaming and vomiting blood. All who ate the cabbage leaves started violently vomiting blood and screaming with pain. It was hell. In less than 20 minutes they were quite dead.'

      Kim curses defectors’ families for three generations

      North Korea has ordered the “unconditional punishment” of three generations of the family of anyone escaping from the country and given border guards orders to shoot suspected fugitives on sight.

      Inside a North Korean prison camp: satellite analysis reveals prison life and death

      Not much is known about Camp 25, but one thing is sure – the innocuous name given to this North Korean political prison camp does no justice to the human suffering that goes on within.

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    34. Re:Help Wanted by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      All of America's enemies endorse Trump, he is the best way to weaken the US.

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    35. Re:Help Wanted by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      1. NK views Trump as a threat to their regime, thereby hoping Hillary Clinton wins by getting the voter to turn on Trump.
      2. NK is taking the diplomatic approach ahead of time in the event Trump does become the next President.

      This tells me, go vote Trump! =)

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    36. Re:Help Wanted by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, DPRK state media has endorsed Donald J. Trump for president (this is not a joke).

      And the KKK Grand Wizard involved in this violent incident has endorsed Hillary Clinton.

      So what?

      Which way are you going to break? Trump is no Che, but he does have the endorsement of international "Progressives." Shall we be putting you down as +1 Trump?

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    37. Re:Help Wanted by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Why would Trump wish to repeat Obama's work/program? Makes no sense.

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    38. Re: Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i liek the cute chubby one with the schoolgirl legs. 3

    39. Re: Help Wanted by marmot7 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but this is so horrific it defies comprehension. I doubt many people have the appropriate sheer horror reaction to this as the mind protests us from reality to a certain degree. It's important to know it's happening and maybe it'll sink in. Meanwhile, if tou ad this to the story of the handful of probably mind numbingly useless website they have in their top level domain, available to the people, you start to see a picture and maybe feel it some of what it deserves.

    40. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes about as much sense as a retard wanting to do Einstein's work.
      Ofcourse Obama is not nearly as smart as a Einstein, but neither is Trump nearly as smart as a retard.

    41. Re:Help Wanted by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      3. If Hillary wins and NK endorsed Trump, nothing will happen. If Trump wins and NK didn't endorse Trump, he'll probably nuke them. You don't antagonize a vengeful child with self control issues.

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    42. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you elect Clinton, a globalist totalitarian, over dealing with a potential threat via Trump? Meaning, you'd rather deal with oppression over here then smack it down overseas (if needed, not looking for a fight though)?

      Coward

    43. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South Korea is becoming quite known for their hellhole death camps too. We need a West and East Korea instead.

    44. Re:Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You care so much you don't do shit about it except talk shit online for image points. Easier to act like you care than to act upon care. A trend i'm seeing more and more often from online chair warriors, especially from Twitter and Facebook.

      I'd frankly round up every one of you idiots who talk shit about caring about some atrocity in the world from the comfort of a chair, and send you all to that exact destination so you can actually follow up your barking with some tangible bites.
      God damn hacks and frauds.

  2. Is it too much to ask that you name it correctly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That query is called a zone transfer.

  3. RIP sysadmin by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hear a position has opened up.

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    1. Re:RIP sysadmin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/(position)/patriotic anti-aircraft artillery $1/

      We are honored to inform you that the Dear Leader has graciously fixed that for you. -PCP

  4. North Korea is a serial dystopian novel by marmot7 · · Score: 1

    It's too depressing to read most of the time. And we never meet the heroic cool characters... Yet.

    1. Re:North Korea is a serial dystopian novel by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

      A good dystopian novel lacks heroic characters. Or at least they all get broken by big brother. Re-read 1984 as a reference. Fahrenheit 451 kinda sorta but I've always been a critic of the ending which seemed like a "how the fuck to finish this story" cop out.

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    2. Re:North Korea is a serial dystopian novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the master is incompetent inefficient and clueless there is hope
      Now what about blindly walking slowly into a competently clued efficiently propaganda fuelled corporate dystopia in the west, pushed by corporate overlords that know history, know every con in the pack and are not afraid of technology?
      North Korea dictatorship is ruthless because one silly mistake may blow the lid and everything will go down, but if TTIP babies manage to kill real democracy for good we are done, we are product, specially if burying a chip deep into the brain of every new born became mandatory, universal income or not
      slowly building a revolution proofed dystopia of our own is what give me the chills

    3. Re:North Korea is a serial dystopian novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good dystopian novel lacks heroic characters. Or at least they all get broken by big brother. Re-read 1984 as a reference. Fahrenheit 451 kinda sorta but I've always been a critic of the ending which seemed like a "how the fuck to finish this story" cop out.

      You may be right, I may be crazy. Heroes or no heroes? I'll just list some but won't be unfair about it in biasing it toward heroes. Since I don't know sf all that well, it shouldn't be a problem. :-) I hope this is a reasonable sample.
      Neuromancer
      Snow Crash
      The Running Man
      The Time Machine
      The First Men in the Moon
      Metamorphosis
      Player Piano
      Good News
      Brave New World
      Animal Farm
      The Rise of the Meritocracy
      A Scanner Darkly
      The Hunger Games
      The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
      The Handmaid's Tale

    4. Re:North Korea is a serial dystopian novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snow Crash

      With a name like Hiro Protagonist ... -PCP

    5. Re:North Korea is a serial dystopian novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did. They are just sitting in waiting. to strike!

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

  5. Re:Is it too much to ask that you name it correctl by msauve · · Score: 1

    People who are familiar with DNS workings already know its formal name. No one else cares, and a plain explanation is more informative.

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  6. Quality over Quantity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But they are the best 28 web sites. Few ads, great approved information and very responsive.

    1. Re:Quality over Quantity by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      yah, they are Yuuuuge!

    2. Re:Quality over Quantity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they are the best 28 web sites. Few ads, great approved information and very responsive.

      The funny thing is... those sites ARE ads!

  7. Secret? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Wait, so it is a big secret which publicly facing pages a country has registered? What is the point of making name servers black boxes and not having any way of know which names are registered other than to try them and see if they exist?

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    1. Re:Secret? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      "the public" in this case is n. koreans. you foreign devils don't get any of their precious DNS

    2. Re:Secret? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it's North Korea! And everything happening in there is supersecret and hence interesting. It's a bit like the inner workings of, say, the Freemasons. It's secret, it's alien, and hence it's interesting. If you could really see what it's like, you'd probably turn away, bored and uninterested. But because you can't just normally see it, it's interesting.

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    3. Re:Secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, as far as I can tell, Freemasonry is mainly a group that gets together and practices parliamentary procedure. It's like a club that is entirely based upon having meetings. Like, they don't have the meetings in service of doing something awesome, like going rafting or having an Axis & Allies tournament. They just have meetings where they plan more meetings. At the local hall, they have a meeting where they plan for the meeting they'll have when the state poobah comes to visit. At the state meeting, they'll plan for the meeting they'll have when the national poobah comes. But they do it all with weird ranks and titles, so they can be sure of everyone's precedence when speaking at the meetings. And they charge dues to give the treasurer something to do, and they use the money to pay for food at the meetings.

    4. Re:Secret? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty good summary, actually. With a lot of mumbo-jumbo around it all, personally I'd guess to create some sort of "us" feeling.

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  8. IP list? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Does some one have the IP list?

    1. Re:IP list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:IP list? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      awesome, one school in their .edu domain. I looked it up, they even have football (soccer for us 'mairkins) team

      can I get a scholarship to go there? or a student loan?

    3. Re:IP list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You write good English and use American idioms. We have enough Japanese tutors and need Americans.

      You will get a full scholarship. Just stay where you are, we will come and bring you to your new university.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens
      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/world/asia/12korea.html

    4. Re:IP list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      127.0.0.1
      using ports 8080-8108

    5. Re:IP list? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      student loan yes we can bill the ammo used to shoot you are being sent to death for being an spy.

    6. Re:IP list? by ControlFreal · · Score: 3, Informative

      The domain list is on the GitHub site mentions by one of the others here. The domains, with and without www. prefix, resolve to just 13 addresses:

      175.45.176.67, .68, .69, .71, .73, .74, .76, .77, .78, .79, .81, .93, and .91.

      The whole of North Korea is on 1,280 IP addresses: 175.45.176.0/22, and 210.52.109.0/24.

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  9. No One Needs More by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one needs more than 28 websites...

  10. I wonder... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    How long it takes for any other country to launch these many websites. A nanosecond? Faster than the speed of light? xD

    1. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's that "xD" on the end of your comment? Did you have a stroke?

  11. Re:Is it too much to ask that you name it correctl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is important to use the actual names, especially in conversations with people who aren't yet familiar with the vocabulary. People learn by seeing and hearing the proper words in the context of unfamiliar concepts.

  12. Well, what do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all the domains they could fit on the 250 MB Seagate MFM drive on that Intel 386 system from 1980 running DR-DOS. You are lucky if the you can get a 4800 baud connection too with their crap wireline phone system...

  13. Re:Is it too much to ask that you name it correctl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I care, and I didn't know. Therefore, you are wrong.

  14. Netcraft confirms... by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    On second thought, North Korea is such a dystopian nightmare of human misery there is no humor to be had here.

    In North Korea nameserver... nope, not that either.

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  15. Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spoken by someone who has never been to North Korea nor knows how to point to it on a map.

    It's not hard to point to PRK on the map. But if you go to it, you're the fucking idiot, because they have this tendency to just arrest people, torture them into confessing to a crime, then give them a prison sentence of 15 years hard labor.

    And no, going there and coming back doesn't prove you aren't an idiot, nor does it prove that travel there is safe in any way, it only proves that you're lucky.

    Hell they even kidnap people who aren't even in the country.

    1. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... give them a prison sentence of 15 years hard labor.

      North Korea imprisons about 600 out of every 100k population. That is a horrific number, and is far worse than the world average. In fact, there is only one other country that imprisons a greater proportion of citizens: The United States of America, at about 700 per 100k.

    2. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      North Korea kidnaps actreseses from Japan (or used to), purely for the entertainment of "Great Leader"TM, or for forced sex/rape. Sometimes they were just "disappeared". We kidnap/extradite knuckle-dragging, sociopathic terrorists who would murder you without a second thought. Sometimes we make a mistake, but at least we are not kidnapping for the sake of entertaining an organized crime, eugenics-based monarchy ("Three generations of glorious hard labor in our glorious slave camps will cure you of all genetic badness, because magic!! Glory! Glory!" And only the glorious genetic line of the glorious Kim family is fit to gloriously rule, because magic!! Glory! Glory!). Bullshit. There is a difference.

    3. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "North Korea imprisons about 600 out of every 100k population" How would you even know this statistic? But lets pretend this statistic is true and that makes NK better than the US because that is exactly what your post is saying. The US has problems but why does the US still attract millions of legal and illegal immigrants each year? Why does every single country in NATO want to be under US military protection? Why are the US allies in Asia get nervous every time the US hints it wants to decrease it's military foot print? All of the countries and their citizens feel they can demean, insult, and belittle the US and it's citizens but then expect unlimited access to US industries, financial systems, colleges, and above all military protection? We are living in a truly fucked up world when people start absolving North Korean actions in their efforts to moan and bitch about the US? Every tyrant on the planet automatically gets a pass on their actions if it provides a way to slander the US? There is no way this ingrained anti-us psychosis can be ended short of a full blown world war where the US stands back and only fights to preserve it's territory and narrowed interests while letting everyone else fend for themselves. After a few billion people get killed and countries are razed to the ground maybe the survivors can start placing actions in context when comparing good and evil. And war is coming. Over population combined with a finite amount of resources guarantees it.

    4. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Estimates of NK prisoner numbers vary from 600-800 per 100k, and is not a simple fixed number. And often this number is specific to political prisoners in internment camps, as those numbers are way easier to estimate than typical prisons used. The West doesn't even have very good estimates of execution rates, and on top of that there are estimates that 1-20k die each year in the internment camps. Using the number of prisoners isn't a good estimate for the rates at which people are arrested when you don't know how many die instead of going to or staying in prison, and when length of prison sentences can vary a lot (e.g. US numbers include county jails). It is an especially bad proxy for the number of people arrested as visitors or outside of their territory, and even worse for estimating the chances of being arrested as a tourist, which was the original concern earlier in the thread.

      Also, don't forget Seychelles, which has a higher rate than the US. It doesn't change the point, but it does make it less dramatic.

    5. Re: Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do a little good and is OK to imprison, torture and kill people for no good reason, is that your logic? You shouldn't be called on your bad actions, because on average you do more good than bad?

    6. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      North Korea imprisons about 600 out of every 100k population. That is a horrific number, and is far worse than the world average. In fact, there is only one other country that imprisons a greater proportion of citizens: The United States of America, at about 700 per 100k.

      North Korea imprisons its entire population in a hell modeled on Stalin's excesses. Attempting to leave the country without permission can get you and three generations of your family thrown into a prison camp with extremely harsh conditions, or simply killed. There are hundreds of thousands of North Koreans in those camps. Not clapping enough at a mass ceremony to celebrate the regime's accomplishments, or the glories of the Dear Leader, can also get you in that same sort of prison camp. When the crime is judged to be political in nature you are unlikely to ever emerge alive from one of the special prison camps they will send you to. Starvation, beatings, medical experiments, possibly experimental tests of chemical weapons, and other tortures are what await you.

      The people in US prisons didn't get there by telling fat jokes about Presidents Bush or Obama. You're looking at real crimes like murder, rape, drug dealing, embezzlement, and so on.

      Did you consider any of that when you made your post? Or were you just trying to somehow suggest that the US was actually a worse place than North Korea?

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    7. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      For the same reason americans frequently complain about china, but still happily buy the products manufactured there...
      For the same reason russia has recently been allowed to annex part of another country, while its business as usual with them.
      Too big to ignore.
      North korea is small enough that you can afford to ignore and boycott them.

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    8. Re: Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and of those 700/100k, how many are minors that the US gasses?

    9. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're back! <3

      Oh, I guess you've been back since the 11th, just checked your comment history.

      You're looking at real crimes like murder, rape, drug dealing, embezzlement, and so on.

      One of these is not like the others.

      But I have to concede I'd rather be in PMITA prison than a North Korean attempt at recreating a living hell on Earth straight out of the Silent Hill video game series.

    10. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Korea imprisons about 600 out of every 100k population. That is a horrific number, and is far worse than the world average. In fact, there is only one other country that imprisons a greater proportion of citizens: The United States of America, at about 700 per 100k.

      The people in US prisons didn't get there by telling fat jokes about Presidents Bush or Obama. You're looking at real crimes like murder, rape, drug dealing, embezzlement, and so on.

      Did you consider any of that when you made your post? Or were you just trying to somehow suggest that the US was actually a worse place than North Korea?

      Sure 3 months in jail for a white guy.

      Weed can get you life in prison, especially when it's planted by the cops.

    11. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to jail in the USA and receive free healthcare, nutritious meals, a warm bed, some basic human rights, access to a lawyer and even the media if you can get them to listen to your story...

      In North Korea, you might be lucky if you survive a year... even luckier if anyone in your family knows where you are and what happened to you, assuming they aren't automatically incarcerated for your "crime" as well.

      The two situations just aren't comparable... at all.

    12. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you forgot to take your pills today.

    13. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said:

      North Korea imprisons about 600 out of every 100k population. That is a horrific number, and is far worse than the world average.

      Then you said:

      The United States of America, at about 700 per 100k.

      So what is so horrific about NK? Maybe we have more web sites we also have more people in jail.
      Before knocking another country we need to clean up out own yard.

    14. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What industries? EVERYTHING is Made in China, when available. Food is scarce in diversity and fecal. My primary school education elsewhere is rivaling the curriculum of the typical USA high schools. Medicines are of course restricted and suspicious at best. Africans do as they like, period. Subway and cafeterias are all propaganda radio centers. Other access is faulty, at best. I am not sure it is only this city, other cities I lived in are like ghost towns, except for a few car crossing and Africans filling public transport. American people? You can see them in touristic places, sometimes. DIfference may be that not ALL USA people are relatives, like it seems to be true in NK. It seems all reports will keep being inconsistent and going for worse.

    15. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Point is... who is actually _thinking_ and who is only echoing? There are degrees of severity, but you do not want to get rid of the thinker unless you are a severe echo and mistakes will affect the whole population. Funny the way you placed it, if they have a much better place than you imply, they are simply punishing the disbelievers with what they will find outside if they leave! Probably would be better to leave NK alone, but maybe they DO have and want to attract attention no matter how bad a role in.

    16. Re:Spoken by a genuine idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >For the same reason americans frequently complain about china, but still happily buy the products manufactured there...

      What?? American families are not "happy" that the products are Chinese. Said products just happen to be what's on the shelf. It is not a sought after preference. In other words, their presence on the shelves is merely the effect of Globalization of commercial goods.

      Do you like breathing air? Did you know that some of that blew in from another country via powers you cannot control? You must have such loyalty and a love-affair for other parts of the planet. Demand local air you bigot.

  16. Parody websites in 3, 2, 1 by dwywit · · Score: 1

    Such as:
    gloriousleader.kp becomes gloriousleader.com
    and the same for
    bountifulharvest.kp
    corruptwesternimperialistpigdogs.kp
    victoryisnear.kp
    weshallconquertheocean.kp
    and so on.

    I wouldn't like to be the owner of kp.com. Imagine the requests for sub-domains....

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    1. Re:Parody websites in 3, 2, 1 by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Do they have virtual hosts? Like sexy.gloriousleader.kp? To help him make his entire female population his concubines?

  17. We have found them! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only 28 pages on the internet you can visit without adblocker!

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    1. Re:We have found them! by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      The issue with North Korea's sites isn't really ads.

      North Korea's official news website serves malware

      The Attack on Sony

      North Korea's cyberattack on Sony Pictures exposed a new reality: you don't have to be a superpower to inflict damage on U.S. corporations

      Shared malware code links SWIFT-related breaches at banks and North Korean hackers

      Of course if they can get some hard currency from them I doubt those pages will be ad free forever .... if they are now.

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    2. Re:We have found them! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The only 28 pages on the internet you can visit without adblocker!

      There they have Life Blocker.

    3. Re:We have found them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally! Do any of the 28 pages link Saudi Arabia to the attacks?

    4. Re:We have found them! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, our free world hackers can use ads to deliver their payload, North Korea ain't that advanced, their hackers have to do it manually.

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    5. Re:We have found them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only 28 pages on the internet you can visit without adblocker!

      True to a degree... but the sad thing is, all 28 ARE ads.

  18. Ohh, Netcraft confirmed it? So let's see... by fisted · · Score: 1

    It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: North Korea is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered North Korea community when IDC confirmed that North Korea nuke share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that North Korea has lost more nuke share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. North Korea is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Nuke Admin comprehensive nuking test.

    You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict North Korea's future. The hand writing is on the wall: North Korea faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for North Korea because North Korea is dying. Things are looking very bad for North Korea. As many of us are already aware, North Korea continues to lose nuke share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    Western North Korea is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its nuke developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time western North Korea developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: western North Korea is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Northern North Korea leader Kim states that there are 7000 citizens of northern North Korea. How many citizens of southern North Korea are there? Let's see. The number of northern North Korea versus southern North Korea warheads on Koreanet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 southern North Korea citizens. eastern North Korea warheads on Koreanet are about half of the volume of southern North Korea warheads. Therefore there are about 700 citizens of eastern North Korea. A recent article put western North Korea at about 80 percent of the North Korea nuke supply. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 western North Korea citizens. This is consistent with the number of western North Korea Koreanet warheads.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, western North Korea went out of business and was taken over by central North Korea who sell another troubled shithole. Now central North Korea is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that North Korea has steadily declined in nuke share. North Korea is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If North Korea is to survive at all it will be among shithole dilettante dabblers. North Korea continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, North Korea is dead.

    1. Re:Ohh, Netcraft confirmed it? So let's see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then this time lets hope it dies quietly and doesn't take too many poor little North Koreans with it

    2. Re:Ohh, Netcraft confirmed it? So let's see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whoosh

  19. Re:No One Needs More [than 28 websites] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    You dictators, corporate and state, think alike.

  20. North Korea is in the nineties by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    Hey Dan, ready for that public hanging of political prisoners? I'm just finishing up here with my new kayaking friends.

    Kayaking friends on your computer?

    Dan: Yeah, I just got North Korea online.

    Sounds great. Listen, I can't go to the public executions today.

    WHAT?

    First my kids have to go to the library to read books on how great Our Leader is. Then I have to stand on a street corner and yell revolutionary slogans at complete strangers. And I have to contact my mother; she's making kayaks in a slave labor camp and gets executed tomorrow.

    Hey, we can take care of all that before we go.

    Yeah, right!

    No, with North Korea online!

    North Korea online can do all that?

    How about sending your mother some nice flowers?

    1. Re:North Korea is in the nineties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Dan, ready for that public hanging of political prisoners? I'm just finishing up here with my new kayaking friends.

      Kayaking friends on your computer?

      Dan: Yeah, I just got North Korea online.

      Sounds great. Listen, I can't go to the public executions today.

      WHAT?

      First my kids have to go to the library to read books on how great Our Leader is. Then I have to stand on a street corner and yell revolutionary slogans at complete strangers. And I have to contact my mother; she's making kayaks in a slave labor camp and gets executed tomorrow.

      Hey, we can take care of all that before we go.

      Yeah, right!

      No, with North Korea online!

      North Korea online can do all that?

      How about sending your mother some nice flowers?

      It is sad that I know what commercial you're talking about, have watched it multiple times on youtube and actually saw the damn thing while it originally aired on TV in the 90s.

  21. America has just 6 by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pornhub, Redtube, xhamster, amazon, google, facebook... that's it right?

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    1. Re:America has just 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet I could survive with only 12 or 28 sites. It might even be a good thing like the Russian government saying, get off the porn sites and meet someone in real life...

    2. Re:America has just 6 by Gussington · · Score: 1

      A few years ago I was responsible for the company proxy server. We blocked porn obviously, but over 80% of the traffic was just a few sites - Google, Facebook, the local real estate site, and the local online news etc.

  22. 12 are porn sites by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    One is for weather, one for shopping, four movie sites, 10 are news/propaganda and the rest are porn.

  23. Not so! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    The story of North Korea does indeed have some heroes to it!

    Lee Soon-ok

    Kang Chol-hwan

    An Hyuk

    And plenty other survivors and escapees. Imagine what it would take to plan an escape from North Korea, and actually carry it out. Soon-ok and Chol-hwan served time in labor camps where they saw executions and human experimentation, and still had the stones to manage an escape knowing what horrible fate failure would get them. If that doesn't merit the label of hero, I don't know what would.

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:Not so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If your best idea of a hero is someone who runs away and leaves his mother and sister behind to pay for his defection, just to sit in comfort somewhere and spin stories for US politicians to exploit... then congrats. You truly are a notable person, no kidding...

    2. Re:Not so! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      If your best idea of a hero is someone who runs away and leaves his mother and sister behind to pay for his defection, just to sit in comfort somewhere and spin stories for US politicians to exploit... then congrats. You truly are a notable person, no kidding...

      Choose your propaganda carefully, my friend. You're implying that the N Korean authorities will make family members pay for the crime of escaping from that worker's paradise. That also implies those people were correct to try to escape, and aren't just making up stories, doesn't it? See what happens when you lie in both directions? You end up contradicting yourself in the same post.

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    3. Re:Not so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's funny is you just did the exact same thing you criticized the PP for.

  24. Re:Is it too much to ask that you name it correctl by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No it's not. Using the proper terms and then explaining them is the most informative explanation if the piece is meant for laymen.

  25. And Snowden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has to orally satisfy Putin 28 times per month, 30 times in February.

  26. What's more worrying by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    More worrying is that North Koreans have only access to these 28 sites.

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  27. Re:get your numbers straight by HBI · · Score: 1

    Spout your propaganda as you will, you Communist stooge. I have been there. People aren't starving as much now as they were 15 years ago, but living as a NK civilian is very bad still and probably getting worse.

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  28. Re: Is it too much to ask that you name it correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It also makes it MUCH easier for the curious to google it and learn more.

  29. Re: Is it too much to ask that you name it correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they at least use the proper name people have something they can look up, otherwise they are limited to googling descriptions and hoping the thing they found is what the summary is describing. Things have names for a reason!

  30. Lol, 28? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Wow, such selection. Are any of them porn sites?

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    1. Re:Lol, 28? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but all the actresses are named Kim. -PCP

  31. Re:get your numbers straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am anti-political regardless of the model, of course, you'd rather interpret it in a different way, since you are a pseudo-democratic capitalist stooge. But just in case you have two good brain cells:

    Current estimates are that about 330k people starved to death between 1993 and 2000. According to WFP there is currently no famine in N. Korea. There is still under-nutrition though, but their government has done a lot to improve the situation, especially given what they actually have at their disposal. I hope you at least know you can't feed the starving uranium.

    Meanwhile, in the USA in excess of 400k people die annually as a direct effect of eating junk food, which is the only food they can afford. And that number is growing. Even worse - the US is very eager to impose that garbage on the rest of the world - thanks but no thanks. And that's just one of the many flaws which dwarf the negative aspects of the N. Korea regime.

    Every year in the US more people die from eating garbage than the number of N. Koreans died in the country's worst famine, which is now a thing of the past. That's a FACT, be a man and deal with it, or be a worm and squirm to ignore it!

    Solving N. Korea wouldn't make a different in the downhill trend of the world, solving the US will make it better for everyone, especially N. Koreans. If you really care about those people as you claim, you'd do something that can actually help their situation rather than doing what you do now, which is only helping those who created their situation. Eliminate the threat of the USA and N. Korea will scrap its nuclear program, cut on its defense expenses, and redirect resources towards the wellbeing of their people. The threat of the USA has locked N. Korea in survival mode, and in that mode it can't grow.

  32. Re:get your numbers straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, ~33k annually for a country less than a tenth the size vs. 400k. That isn't a larger percentage. Also, what age groups are each including? Every body will die at some point, and dying at 75 instead of 80 because of eating habits is a lot different than dying at 20 instead of 70 because of lack of food. Trying to compare absolute numbers that are very different situations isn't about "getting the numbers straight" (especially when not even doing the math right) but about trying to disingenuously deceive others.

  33. They have an intranet - Kwangmyong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a few thousand white-listed internal websites on their own internal network that can't be accessed from "The Internet" when outside North Korea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangmyong_(network)

    Porn is banned in North Korea though, and I'm not sure sneaker netting like in the Middle East is worth it there.

    DPRK is sure a weird place. I'm not sure I trust everything either side has to say about what is going on there however.

  34. Fucking noobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF happened to slashdot? Domains != websites, you fucking noobs.

  35. No websites, no problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who needs the web when you have sweet, sweet Manbang.

  36. This is what happens to the people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When America loses the war.

  37. North Korea Has Just 28 Websites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    running on the web server.

  38. Re:Is it too much to ask that you name it correctl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of us read stories about things which we do not know, on purpose, in order to know. So it is correct (all through history, not just for me) to spell out an acronym the first time it's used- then acronym only thereafter.

    Example: msauve appears to be a YIRMF (young inflexible judgemental rude mo fo), though I do hope he learns, or at least learns to not inject himself into others' business just to hear himself crow.