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Microsoft Will 'Solve' Cancer Within The Next 10 Years By Treating It Like A Computer Virus, Says Company (independent.co.uk)

Microsoft is serious about finding a cure for cancer. In June, Microsoft researchers published a paper that shows how analyzing online activities can provide clues as to a person's chances of having cancer. They were able to identify internet users who had pancreatic cancer even before they'd been diagnosed, all from analyzing web query logs. Several months later, researchers on behalf of the company now say they will "solve" cancer within the next 10 years by treating it like a computer virus that invades and corrupts the body's cells. The goal is to monitor the bad cells and potentially reprogram them to be healthy again. The Independent reports: The company has built a "biological computation" unit that says its ultimate aim is to make cells into living computers. As such, they could be programmed and reprogrammed to treat any diseases, such as cancer. In the nearer term, the unit is using advanced computing research to try and set computers to work learning about drugs and diseases and suggesting new treatments to help cancer patients. The team hopes to be able to use machine learning technologies -- computers that can think and learn like humans -- to read through the huge amounts of cancer research and come to understand the disease and the drugs that treat it. At the moment, so much cancer research is published that it is impossible for any doctor to read it all. But since computers can read and understand so much more quickly, the systems will be able to read through all of the research and then put that to work on specific people's situations. It does that by bringing together biology, math and computing. Microsoft says the solution could be with us within the next five or ten years.

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  1. BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! by ewhac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there's one thing Microsoft has comprehensively and irrefutably established over the last 35 years of their existence, it's that they haven't the faintest clue how to identify or eradicate viruses.

    1. Re:BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! by Gussington · · Score: 2

      Actually it's quite the opposite. Once identified, Windows is effectively immune to the same virus once patched. Sure you will still likely get other viruses, but that is not analogous to "solving" cancer (ie one type of virus like thing - whatever that actually means).

    2. Re:BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      MS may have chance then, cancer is not caused by a virus.

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    3. Re:BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! by dargaud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I read that title first thing in the morning and I very nearly spit orange juice all over the laptop.

      Seriously though, cancer is a very ancient disease. It comes from when the very first lonely cells decided to band together to increase survival, over 3 billion years ago. They figured out pretty quickly that group rules were necessary, like some cells go some places, others need to suicide at the right time, etc... And when a cell doesn't obey those ground rules and starts reproducing on its own, there you go: cancer.

      So something so grounded in our origins is going to be VERY hard to eradicate. Improve it, yes, we already have. Improve it a lot, probably. But get rid of it I somehow doubt it because any kind of transcription error in a single cell can possibly lead to it.

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    4. Re:BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > What we have is an epidemic of cancer

      Nope. We really don't. The increase in cancer cases over time tracks *exactly* the increases in human lifespan. We've always been equally prone to it (barring isolated and regionally limited edge-cases) - but until quite recently almost everybody got killed by something else first.
      Now that we survive most virusses, bacteria and parasites and have basically eradicated just about all our natural predators (with the exception of the mosquito) - we actually live long enough for cancer to happen, and the more people live long - the more get it.

      That said - cancer is not a disease and does not have a cause. Cancer is a collective noun for a whole host of diseases all with different causes, which just happen to have one, single tiny thing in common. The reason we haven't cured cancer is because nothing could possibly do that - no single treatment can deal with so many different diseases, all with different causes (many of which are unknown). Even the shotgun treatments of radiation and chemo are not useful on all of them.
      On the other hand we are making massive progress in curing and preventing specific cancers. In the last few years, for the first time in history, we actually developed a vaccine that can completely prevent several cancers (HPV vaccines grant effective immunity against cervical cancer and several types of throat and lip cancers). The reason is that we discovered that a specific virus causes these cancers - and could create a vaccine against that virus.

      Gene-targetted treatments are already greatly increasing life expectancy, survival rates and quality of life of many cancer patients - with far less negative side effects than the shotgun treatments. More experimental treatments using things like magnetofluids are being investigated which may offer new and uniquely safe types of surgical treatments which are viable on a much larger set of cancers.
      We are making progress - but this is a war against a massive army with a huge variety of different batallayons and there is no one attack to defeat it, not single battle will win this war. Lots of small victories that add up - that's the way to do it, and it won't happen quickly, but it is already happening much quicker than we could have hoped even a decade ago.

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    5. Re:BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Cancer can be caused by anything that can cause a cell's DNA to be corrupted. Some types of virus do corrupt DNA in this way, and while normally it's not a problem (viruses need to ensure their corrupted cells survive so they can spread), typical minor random transcription mistakes can occur, and those can cause cancer, just as radiation or asbestos fibers can.

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  2. Think and learn like humans by ptaff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The team hopes to be able to use machine learning technologies -- computers that can think and learn like humans

    If your definition of a human is a retarded 4-year-old that can be trained to name colors with 75% accuracy, yes.

    We're not there, we're not even close; "machine learning" is just the new buzzword in town, rising from the ashes of "big data".

  3. No matter how clueless we are ... by pesho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... machine learning is the solution. And cancer is not "like a computer virus that invades and corrupts the body's cells". That is how an actual virus works, hence the analogy by which the "computer virus" term came to be. Cancer is more like when a bit randomly flips in RAM and then by pure coincidence this causes a memory leak within an infinite loop that spreads shit all over the place until everything comes crashing down.

    1. Re:No matter how clueless we are ... by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

      personally, i would say cancer is much more like wallstreet fatcats.

      a mutation in the rules governing proper behavior causes them to consume all available resources, send ssignals to the regulatory system that they are essential and need protection, while earnestly believing they are the most important part of the system while destroying it from the inside, due to the removal of a system to terminate that behavior early.

    2. Re:No matter how clueless we are ... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NoNoNoNo. The underlying assumption that computers and humans are fundamentally similar is completely incorrect. The term 'computer virus' is a reasonable analogy but you can't push it so far that you impute that the mechanisms are the same. Cancer is way more complex that 'reprogramming a cell'. It involves cell homeostasis mechanisms that have no analogous function in hardware or software.

      "It’s not just an analogy, it’s a deep mathematical insight. Biology and computing are disciplines which seem like chalk and cheese but which have very deep connections on the most fundamental level.”

      (FTFA) Oh yeah. Prove it. Or even give us something other than executive level bullshit.

      Perhaps when you have computers that can handle errors more gracefully than "PC LOAD LETTER" I might think about taking him seriously. But we've barely moved past that level at present.

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  4. Who let the CS kids into the Hubris Reserve? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

    What could possibly go wrong? After all, it's proven totally trivial to eradicate bugs in software(that's why nobody uses systems that haven't been formally verified; it's such an easy step that you'd be crazy to skip it!); so it should be easy enough to extend our victories in that field to vastly more complex biological systems that lack many of the convenient mathematical properties built into the abstractions we use for computing.

    Seriously guys; I'm glad you care about curing cancer and all; but what flavor of insanity drives this level of optimism about your chances?

  5. Oblig xkcd. by sims+2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Researcher Translation.
    https://xkcd.com/678/

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  6. Bill Gates and SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 2004 Bill claimed SPAM would be eradicated in 2 years. http://www.informationweek.com/spam-will-be-solved-in-2-years--gates/d/d-id/1022817?

    That went very well....

    1. Re:Bill Gates and SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He was right. It was effectively eradicated, at least as far as users were concerned, by 2006. Though the credit for that goes to Google, not Microsoft.

  7. Re:We're doomed by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

    2026: Microsoft is widely blamed for unleashing the vampiric zombie cancer plague that has wiped out most of humanity.

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  8. Why not work on gravity and faster-than-light? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we can solve the problem of cancer within 10 years by treating it as a computer virus, why not treat gravity as a computer virus and come up with practical, cheap antigravity? Or that pesky light-speed limit, we need to beat that, and 10 years sounds about right

    1. Re:Why not work on gravity and faster-than-light? by Burz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a pitch to bolster the image of invasive data-mining, promising a blue-sky reward in return for watching peoples' browser activity.

      That is the only viral thing about this story--their greed.

  9. Re:Oh, sweet Christmas by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Microsoft will 'solve' cancer within 10 years by 'reprogramming' diseased cells

    I think I've seen this movie before.

    It doesn't end well.

    Everyone will die when Microsoft does an update, and bitches up our heart and brain drivers.

    BSOD as apocalypse?

    It certainly fits!

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  10. Detecting some cancer by data mining is one thing. by hey! · · Score: 2

    There's a longstanding history of that kind of thing. Marketers having been data mining to detect when women are pregnant for years now and their methods are creepily accurate.

    The thing is, though, that pregnancy is one thing. Pancreatic cancer is one thing. Cancer *in general* is more like a mixed bag of similar phenomena. We've pretty much converted many individual types of cancers that were a death sentence twenty years ago into curable illnesses. But others remain intractable. So saying "curing cancer" is a bit like saying "curing infection". Curing *the whole category* will require a truly fundamental progress in biology.

    In fact it may require multidisciplinary breakthroughs. There's lots of things that kill tumor cells, but don't work on tumors.

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  11. Re:Steve Ballmer by Curtman · · Score: 2

    "WTF is a "caner"?? Is that some weird Brit dominance sexual fantasy reference?"

    Nobody even knew. Chairs were thrown, we did the monkey-boy dance, and everyone had a good laugh about how ridiculous it all was.

  12. Unlikely by eyepeepackets · · Score: 2

    Such hubris from a corporation that can't even get its flagship OS to keep time properly: Windows 10 will have a time-related brainfart if not connected to the internet when it tries to update system time and change the system time to some arbitrary time in the immediate past, usually several hours at a minimum. Such crap.

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  13. Elephants have a defense against cancer by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And it's surprisingly simple. And they need it, because they have so many more cells than people do they would have a high risk of cancer without some sort of defense.

    http://www.nature.com/news/how...

    To summarize the contents of the link, elephants just have 20 copies of the p53 gene. To incite cancer, all the copies would have to be disabled, via the most common cancer generating mutation mechanism.

    If you want to engineer people to be cancer resistant, it might be as simple as introducing more copies of the p53 gene into our genome.

    1. Re:Elephants have a defense against cancer by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      And it's surprisingly simple. And they need it, because they have so many more cells than people do they would have a high risk of cancer without some sort of defense.

      http://www.nature.com/news/how...

      To summarize the contents of the link, elephants just have 20 copies of the p53 gene. To incite cancer, all the copies would have to be disabled, via the most common cancer generating mutation mechanism.

      If you want to engineer people to be cancer resistant, it might be as simple as introducing more copies of the p53 gene into our genome.

      the p16 and p27 genes of the naked mole rat perform a similar function and we human have just the p16 and a crappier version too.

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  14. Re:We're doomed by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny


    2026: Microsoft is widely blamed for unleashing the vampiric zombie cancer plague that has wiped out most of humanity.

    microsoft gets defeated in 2030 by an army led by general protection fault.

    we have no records dated after that.

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  15. Re:The *only* way to eliminate cancer.... by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... is to force any cell divisions that occur in the organism in question to *always* perform a 100% identical copy, with no error.... ever.

    Not at all. Cancerous and pre-cancerous cells arise in the body all the time. It's the body's ability to eliminate such cells that protects you from cancer, but sometimes those mechanisms fail.

  16. Re:Oh, sweet Christmas by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Have you tried dying and being reincarnated?"

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  17. Re:We're doomed by davester666 · · Score: 2

    And you definitely do not want anyone to use the backdoor Microsoft will leave in "just in case".

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  18. Windows 10 is a virus according to your definition by HannethCom · · Score: 2

    Up until the Windows 10 free cut-off date, Windows forcefully installed itself onto some people's computers without asking. Sometimes with Windows Update turned off. Not all of the code was copied form a central server, actually any computer already with Windows 10 can be requested to send parts of the main install, or updates. Some people complained that it didn't give any preference to computers already on the internal network, I think this has been fixed in the Anniversary Update. Copying itself confirmed!

    Has a detrimental effect. Windows 10 removes some features automatically like Media Center, Windows DVD Maker, DVD playing, Desktop Gadgets, Start Menu, Solitaire, Minesweeper, and Hearts. It also removes some third party software as well, or requires you to uninstall and re-install it. Some games and programs just no longer work at all. Now you can get some of these things back with third party programs, or hackers getting Solitaire, Minesweeper, and Hearts to work again, but it is the same thing with a virus, or malware. Windows 10 is both a malware and virus confirmed!

    Oh, but I'm not done. "Windows 10 does not destroy or corrupt data unless Microsoft deems that it is for the user's own good." Microsoft now supports FLAC files natively, well kind of, it will read and play them until for some reason it decides to corrupt the files so that it, nor any third party software can play them anymore. Microsoft is aware of the problem, but I have not seen a fix for it, even though it has been a problem since the first release of the OS.

    As for corrupting data, a common problem with Windows 10 is that it will sometimes corrupt core OS files such as the taskbar, start menu and windows update. Common problem! I have even experienced this myself. It is so common, they actually have a specific easy fix baked into the OS to solve this. The only problem being that the easy fix uses windows update, so if that is hosed, you can still fix the problem, but it is really complicated. I ended up doing a refresh instead. Aka, Windows 10 corrupts the OS making it a virus.

    I'm sure some people with ASUS motherboards can tell you about their hosed systems from a Windows 10 update

    How about the Anniversary Update that breaks all USB2 web cams making some completely inoperable?

    As you point out, it gathers sensitive information and displays unwanted advertising in their replacement for the old games, in the start menu and in notifications. Making Windows 10 definitely malware.

    As you can see, not only is Windows 10 malware, but it also meets every definition of a virus as well.

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  19. Re:Eliminate Ambient Authority in the Human Body? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    First fundamental problem: It's viruses. In English at least. In Latin, it would not be viri either because virus is neuter and only masculine nouns on -us become -i in the second declination. Virus is of the third declination (neuter). Another example is opus. It becomes opera. Not opi. Opi may put you to sleep similar to many Opera, but it is still something different.

    The Latin plural of virus is vira, by the way. Viri would be the genitive singular. Virii is ... probably a problem with your keyboard, I don't know.

    This cerebral masturbation aside, you cannot solve stupid. People executing arbitrary programs is the problem. You can tell them a million times "the dancing pig application might cause harm to your computer, it sure looks suspicious!" and they'll still click ok. The user is going to choose dancing pigs over security every time.

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  20. They can start with Windows10 by Laxator2 · · Score: 2

    Most users agree that Windows10 should be treated like a virus, so if M$ could rid the world of that one it would be a great service to humanity.

  21. Re:We're doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    2026: Microsoft is widely blamed for unleashing the vampiric zombie cancer plague that has wiped out most of humanity.

    Microsoft - giving "The Blue Screen Of Death" a whole new meaning.

  22. Not optimistic, but... by jandersen · · Score: 2

    The language is deliberately vague, because of course this is mostly a marketing stunt for Microsoft; after all, what does 'solve cancer' mean? But to be fair, we are in fact beginning to understand many of the factors that make up several cancer diseases, and sometimes it is beneficial to focus on a far away goal, even if it isn't entirely realistic in the timeframe.

    Cancer, I think, will always be with us - in a snes it always IS; some would say that all of us have cancer, all the time, because there is always a certain proportion of new cells that have genetic faults, and some of them have the potential to become cancerous - what saves us is a good immune system. It makes intuitive sense, I think, because as we get older, our immune system becomes less efficient, and then we are less likely to stop all cancer cells, which explains why cancer is much more common in older people.

    There is, however, reasons to hope that we can at some point find a single or a few common traits that unite all types of cancer and make them curable; I have certainly seen articles that hint at something that could give us that. But in 10 years? I don't know.

  23. Blue Screen of Death. Oh Crap! by eatvegetables · · Score: 2

    Death certificate reads: STOP: 0xDEADBEEF00000000 (ATGCCGCGAATrojan-IM.....)

  24. Re:Hubris by Maritz · · Score: 2

    You're fucking obsessed with what humans aren't doing in space. This article is about microsoft curing cancer. lol. Why the fuck are you banging on about Mars yet again?

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  25. Re:We're doomed by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Am I the only one who is scared about the fact that these clueless fuckwits have enough data on us to diagnose which of us has prostate cancer?

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  26. Re:Microsoft IS a cancer by DickBreath · · Score: 2

    Former Microsoft CEO Steve "developers" Ballmer says Linux is a cancer.

    Former #4 guy at Microsoft, Allchin, who also headed up Vista, said Open Source is un-American, and Legislators need to be educated to the danger.

    Can Microsoft get rid of cancer as effectively as it got rid of Linux and Open Source?

    Try to Embrace, Extend and Extinguish cancer.

    But these days Microsoft Loves Linux. Just like Sharks love Fish, and Foxes love Chickens. Maybe next: Microsoft Loves Cancer!

    Maybe Microsoft can find some obscure nobody company, like SCO, and dump a bunch of money into them to start a big lawsuit against Cancer in order to destroy it.

    Microsoft, just keep fighting cancer the way you fight open source. If at first you don't succeed, use a shorter bungee.

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  27. Re:We're doomed by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Am I the only one who is scared about the fact that these clueless fuckwits have enough data on us to diagnose which of us has prostate cancer?

    Diagnosing that someone has prostate cancer because they've googled "symptoms of prostate cancer" isn't rocket surgery.

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