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Netflix Wants 50% Of Its Library To Be Original Content (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Netflix is looking to shift its content mix even further towards original TV and movies, with a goal of achieving a 50 percent mix between its own programming and stuff licensed for its use by outside studios. The 50-50 target was revealed by Netflix CFO David Wells at the Goldman Sach's Communacopia conference on Tuesday, and Wells added that they'd like to hit that mix sometime over the course of the next few years. As for its progress so far, Wells said Netflix is already about "one-third to halfway" to that ratio, having launched 2015 hours of original programming in 2015, and with the intend of achieving a further 600 hours by the end of 2016. The benefit for Netflix with a shift to self-generated content is that the licensing situation is much simpler, and the investment made represents a cost that continues to deliver value long after the initial spend. Licensing arrangements with outside TV and film distributors have a fixed term, and thus represent a recurring cost if you want to continue offering their content in your library.

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  1. Sure they do... wait, no by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What made Netflix great was selection. That's why they're so widely subscribed. The only way the ratio is going to look like that is if they're no longer carrying so much of everyone else's content. That won't be good for subscribers, who will get less for their money.

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    1. Re:Sure they do... wait, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What made Netflix great was selection. That's why they're so widely subscribed. The only way the ratio is going to look like that is if they're no longer carrying so much of everyone else's content. That won't be good for subscribers, who will get less for their money.

      It depends on how you look at it. Selection is great when you've not already watched all the material of interest, but to keep customers on board they need new content on a continuous basis. They also must keep their price low. So far, the market is speaking and it is telling Netflix that it likes original content. Netflix is very smart to continue this path.

  2. So where will existing content come from? by kalpol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From where will we obtain any given movie or TV show we want to watch that is not Netflix/Amazon/etc. original content? Right now the Netflix DVD service still has by far the widest selection - things like all the old British shows, old movies, all the stuff that is really desirable to watch but no longer is worth the cost to license it. I tried to find a copy of the 1960 version of the movie The Time Machine - only available via DVD from Netflix. Are we going to see a resurgence in the DVD service?

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    1. Re:So where will existing content come from? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      They're dropping a lot of old stock of DVDs. In fact, about 1/3 of my DVD queue is no longer available at all. It's true, though. They imagined a world where you could watch anything ever made on one service - and a lot of people bought into it. I'm still on the DVD service, but I'm finding that more and more back-catalog are available as one-time rentals from Amazon streaming for fairly cheap.

      There is still a lot of older obscure content that has yet to be released on DVD. Or newer content - Arrested Development season 4 is only available in HD on Netflix streaming. I want the Blu-Ray to complete my set of all four seasons, but they only offer DVD to own. Ironically, I can buy a perpetual HD digital copy from Amazon. Netflix can easily double-dip on subscription charges and home video - and I'd gladly buy some shows on disc even while I have access over Netflix to be able to always watch it in full quality with no buffering. And I also know that Netflix won't be around forever and that the available content will eventually change.

    2. Re:So where will existing content come from? by NotAPK · · Score: 2

      The only aspect that is difficult to assess is the value of the opportunity to watch whatever you like.

      If I sold you a service that allowed you to watch any movie ever made, and you signed up for a year and watched a movie each Friday night then you'll have only watched 52 movies out of how many million? That doesn't mean having the other titles in the catalog were a waste, it's important they are there, since you signed up for access to "every movie ever made".

      It's like Apple removing all the buttons and options that people don't click on very often. Sure, I may only use the "shutdown button" once a fortnight (compared to start/menu which is used a 100 times a day) but when I want it: that fucking button had best be there!!!!!

  3. So long, Netflix, it was good while it lasted by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Netflix has slowly, but surely, been reducing the breadth of its non-original content. It used to be that Netflix was the go-to streaming service. Now, with Netflix reducing the non-original content, Netflix is turning into just another cable TV channel.

    1. Re:So long, Netflix, it was good while it lasted by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      I guess they'll revert when they realize that the vast amount of content they've offered was the reason for their success in the first place.

    2. Re:So long, Netflix, it was good while it lasted by swb · · Score: 2

      IMHO, when streaming started I'd say it had about a B grade in terms of content (quality + quantity).

      Over time, it seemed to go down to about C grade.

      Lately it strikes me that it's gotten marginally better, maybe B-.

      The question is whether they expand their original content significantly without shrinking licensed content to achieve a 50/50 mix, or whether they will expand moderately and shrink moderately to get there, or worse, expand slightly and shrink more greatly.

      The expansion of their original content could actually help expand their licensed content if it makes licensed content cheaper. I would mostly guess it would, long-term, if only because Netflix would have more bargaining power.

    3. Re:So long, Netflix, it was good while it lasted by Wulfson · · Score: 2

      More like the rights holders for that non-original content have been slowly but surely starving Netflix of content, bringing about this situation. Sure, I wish all that old stuff that I originally subscribed to see was still available, but I don't blame Netflix for not re-upping when the movie studios et al keep trying to eat all of their profit.

    4. Re:So long, Netflix, it was good while it lasted by Viewsonic · · Score: 2

      I've only been subscribing to Netflix for their original content. I can get most of the unoriginal stuff on my Prime account already.

      Many of their shows have been absolutely amazing. Game of Thrones level of awesome, in my humble opinion.

      Stranger Things (1 season)
      Daredevil (2 seasons)
      Jessica Jones (1 season)
      Narcos (2 seasons)

      I've binged all of these shows because they were that good. The only other show I've ever binged before this was The Wire. That says, to me, they have something special going on. If they can keep the good content coming at a decent pace, I have no problem with them dumping the same stuff I can get anywhere else.

    5. Re:So long, Netflix, it was good while it lasted by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They can't. The got in early enough that the rights holders of the streaming content licensed it reasonably cheap. That has all changed now that those holders have realized there's money in streaming and want a bigger slice of it.

      They're trying to transition to something that will work in that world. They don't really have a choice.

    6. Re:So long, Netflix, it was good while it lasted by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      You also can't have a go-to streaming service when studios are going to make better money with their own streaming service.

      Studios only think that they are going to make better money. The reality is that they might, but only in the very short term. The more studios go to that model, the more companies you'll have competing for a limited entertainment budget. Eventually, those studios are going to get squeezed, and viewers are going to start subscribing for two months to each one, then dropping them, and other similar tactics to allow them to subscribe to more services than they can afford to subscribe to continuously.

      At that point, the only difference between running your own streaming service and making your content available through Netflix is the profit that Netflix takes, but that mostly gets eaten up by the advertising budget that you have to spend trying to convince people to try your one-off service that has only limited content.

      In the long run, the content providers are doomed without a small number of common providers. The "everybody provides their own subscription service" model is unsustainable. An "everybody provides their own DRM-free download service" might be sustainable, but the content providers won't touch that with a ten-meter pole.

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  4. Re:Translation: by unixisc · · Score: 2

    They could try doing what Sirius XM did in radio, and attract existing talent to their programs and channels. A lot of people are attracted to legacy shows, and are not always swayed by the latest hits on TV

  5. But that's not what I pay for by suso · · Score: 4, Informative

    I started subscribing to Netflix in 1999. I became a customer because I wanted to be able to watch movies from a variety of studios, not just one. If I just wanted one studio, I'd subscribe to HBO. Notice how Netflix streaming doesn't have that good of content from other studios? Probably because studios realize that if they make agreements with Netflix, they will be working with and helping one of their competitors. Like Akbar said, its a trap.

  6. Re:Transformation by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think to a certain extent this is a response to existing TV networks or content creators souring on giving streaming deals to Netflix in preference of trying to build their own platforms or outright shunning the internet to keep their existing business model in place.

    If the movie studios or television networks aren't willing to license their content to Netflix either because they don't want people to stop watching TV or because they want to sell ads through their own streaming platform, what choice does Netflix have at that point beyond only being able to provide older less popular TV shows and B movies that don't appear to most of their audience?

    This leaves Netflix with the only real choice to start producing their own content so that they can sell subscriptions. In that way they're not that much different than HBO that started out as a movie channel and then got into making their own television series and a few original movies, only Netflix didn't start as a cable channel first. Now that HBO has done more to embrace internet streaming without requiring a cable subscription, they're almost in the same business.

    If you thought Netflix was going to ever become a one stop shop for all shows and movies you're out of your mind. The film industry saw exactly what happened when iTunes became the far and away dominant platform and how it meant an end to DRM in order to break Apple's hold.

  7. Re:Translation: by unixisc · · Score: 2

    He hardly did any good movies since Happy Gilmore, aside from 50 First Dates. Most of them are soiled by his bizarre bathroom humor - like Big Daddy

  8. So getting rid of more content then by lusid1 · · Score: 2

    Thats the only way to ever hit 50%.

  9. Re:Transformation by segedunum · · Score: 2

    If the movie studios or television networks aren't willing to license their content to Netflix either because they don't want people to stop watching TV or because they want to sell ads through their own streaming platform, what choice does Netflix have at that point beyond only being able to provide older less popular TV shows and B movies that don't appear to most of their audience?

    It's not that they don't want to license, it's just that from Netflix's point-of-view it's too expensive as their costs rise.

  10. How to fix that? by H3lldr0p · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Make television and movies like music with compulsory licensing? Say anything five years and older gets put into the pool of things that can be broadcast/streamed as part of your service as long as you pay the base royalties. Have the same sort of setup as music does but with a much finer grained reporting. That way everyone that should get paid, is paid.

    While five years seems a bit long, that's so streaming and rebroadcast doesn't cut too deeply into the DVD/BluRay sales. That should be plenty of time for that to go through the fans that really want their personal copy at release or to wait for the price to fall or discounted.

    And this doesn't stop anyone from making separate deals to get it before the five year date and/or add extras to their service like trivia, blooper reels, and so forth.

    Again, the point of copyright was to give people a chance to spread culture around before it is outright given away. Seeing as how locked up it's become, anything that speeds and ease of dissemination is a good thing.

  11. Re: Translation: by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    Netflix and Hulu both do that a lot with British shows in the US

    They take a show that was on BBC or ITV and then laud it as "A NETFLIX ORIGINAL" when they reshow it in the US a year later. As if they developed it themselves and it wasn't just rebroadcasting shows that already aired in Britain.

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  12. Re:Heading the wrong way by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Same is happening everywhere. Here in the US, you need Hulu if you want to watch "the Path". Amazon if you want to watch "Man in High Tower". I think Netflix is currently the only place for "Peaky Blinders" or "Luther". New Star Trek is going to be on CBS all Access. My wife's stupid ABC shows are going to be on Yahoo video. Meanwhile BBC is slowly pulling all their content from existing distributors and are setting up their own streaming service - so will need that for Doctor Who or Top Gear.

    You have to pick or choose which shows you care to stop watching OR just go back to subscribing to the bloated service that was cable TV because it's getting to the point where the prices are even if you want a good selection of shows.

    I miss the days it was just Netflix and Netflix had just about everything.

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  13. Not to be confused with... by sycodon · · Score: 2

    So I guess we'll start see lots more titles that start their descriptions with the phrase, "not to be confused with the Block Buster...."

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  14. Blame Copyright and greed by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    Fees would have to rise and people really were upset at changes Netflix made in pricing before. They are trying to do as much as possible with the funds that they have.

    If copyright was SANE there would be a HUGE library of old programming available. If all the old junk isn't preserved, it would clearly be better content than the modern programming... (which is mostly junk.)

    The simple answer is that Netflix benefited by being the 1st. Today every major content owner can create their own service or make exclusive deals from an ever growing list of distributors desperate for content. This is almost EXACTLY like cable/sat channels which is why it has morphed into that direction. The HBO model works best which is why so many channels try to create compelling content of their own before they lose their budgets and become a poor rerun only channel who has to play infomercials all night.

  15. Re: Translation: by Moheeheeko · · Score: 3, Informative

    Example, there are several anime shows listed on Netflix as "Netflix originals" when the reality is that Netflix is the only place outside of japan to watch it (without downloading it illegally)