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Cops Are Raiding Homes of Innocent People Based Only On IP Addresses (fusion.net)

Kashmir Hill has a fascinating story today on what can go wrong when you solely rely on IP address in a crime investigation -- also highlighting how often police resort to IP addresses. In the story she follows a crime investigation that led police to raid a couple's house at 6am in the morning, because their IP address had been associated with the publication of child porn on notorious 4chan porn. The problem was, Hill writes: the couple -- David Robinson and Jan Bultmann -- weren't the ones who had uploaded the child porn. All they did was voluntarily use one of their old laptops as a Tor exit relay, a software used by activists, dissidents, privacy enthusiasts as well as criminals, so that people who want to stay anonymous when surfing the web could do so. Hill writes: Robinson and Bultmann had [...] specifically operated the riskiest node in the chain: the exit relay which provides the IP address ultimately associated with a user's activity. In this case, someone used Tor to make the porn post, and his or her traffic had been routed through the computer in Robinson and Bultmann's house. The couple wasn't pleased to have helped someone post child porn to the internet, but that's the thing about privacy-protective tools: They're going to be used for good and bad purposes, and to support one, you might have to support the other.Robinson added that he was a little let down because police didn't bother to look at the public list which details the IP addresses associated with Tor exit relays. Hill adds: The police asked Robinson to unlock one MacBook Air, and then seemed satisfied these weren't the criminals they were looking for and left. But months later, the case remains open with Robinson and Bultmann's names on police documents linking them to child pornography. "I haven't run an exit relay since. The police told me they'd be back if it happened again," Robinson said; he's still running a Tor node, just not the end point anymore. "I have to take the threat seriously because I don't want my wife or I to wake up with guns in our faces."Technologist Seth Schoen, and EFF Executive Director Cindy Cohn in a white paper aimed at courts and cops. "For many reasons, connecting an individual to a crime linked to an IP address, without any additional investigation, is irresponsible and threatens the civil liberties of innocent people."

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  1. "they'd be back if it happened again" by LichtSpektren · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The police told me they'd be back if it happened again." For what crime? Is it normal for police in Canada to threaten to invade an innocent couple's home for doing something legal?

  2. Not for me anymore.... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's probably not a good idea to use Tor anymore. There was a time when it was very useful, especially as a tool for journalists and dissidents ETC.

    My main use for it was as a remote testing platform. Which it excelled at. Heck- I even wrote a small section of the Tor website regarding Tor's use by IT professionals.

    Now... there's so much scrutiny on the system that your presence there basically gets you tagged as "suspicious".

    My decision to stop using Tor was based on the apparent numbers of pedophiles that were hiding on the darknet. In an effort to not be confused with "them"- I stopped using it.

    YMMV- it's a risky proposition. If you've ever run an exit node (not me!!) you are a potential target for misguided law enforcement. Plus the fact you may be unwittingly be aiding illegal activity as a middle man node.

    Not for me. Make sure you understand what you are doing if you participate.

    --
    Another consultant who stuck it out.

    "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
    1. Re:Not for me anymore.... by sims+2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We have a rather large area that's covered with open wifi at work.

      We have had problems with abuse. The people that were loitering around the building after dark were leaving litter everywhere. So wifi now gets switched off at dark.
      The wifi is still open the rest of the time. We actually had not noticed just how many people were using it until we started shutting it off at dark and then people started walking up to the building with their phone trying to get a signal.

      I feel it's a public service there are a few others in town that still run free wifi 24/7 like the library, walmart and mcdonalds.

      Not sure how ours got to be so popular. It's only got a 12 Mbps dsl line attached.

      But other than that we've never had any issues.

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      Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
  3. This happned to me... by nult · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last year this happened to me! I had run misc. anonymous networks at home to understand the concepts better (I ran a TOR exit node for about 2 months/ Alongside I2P); and for my own development process(es).. FBI came along with the local police to take every piece of electronic device I owned.. along with all my code that I had been working on for years. I also lost my job (doing telework) of 5 + years because my work laptop was taken also..and the FBI had to contact my work (at a well known bank) for them to decrypt the laptop.. I was let go a few days afterwards without reason and my neighbors never talk to me now . This really fu*ked up my life for about a year, just getting back on track now. Its absolute bullshit ! Its been about a year now and have yet to get back any of my property (not that Id use it); but its really screwed up how they can manipulate the courts by tossing around the "child porn" verbiage when they really have no evidence otherwise. Where did that leave me?? FUC*ED..thats where...ha My lawyers advised against any attempt to retaliate against the FBI. Im really curious if anyone else out there is working on any sort of group legal action to be taken up with the FBI about this... we are citizens and should not be treated this way. Hell, no one should be presumed to be doing something illegal just because they are using anonymous networks .

  4. Re:porn? by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's wrong with fantasizing about 20-30 year old women when you are 10-15? They are in peak physical shape and have experience. Biologically, that's the ideal age for child bearing, something, we, as a specie, associate with "sexy".
    Fantasies are an ideal. And what's more normal a straight male to fantasize about women the ideal age.

    And about virtual child porn, my stance is that as long as no kid is harmed, anything goes.
    In fact true pedophiles have a skewed perception of sexiness, they just don't find the right category of person attractive. Kind of like homosexuals in fact. The difference is while homosexuals can (now) happily do as they like because they are consenting adults, pedophiles can't, the relationship is asymmetrical and will always be.
    To cope with this, pedophiles can turn to crime, or find substitutes. Substitutes can be virtual child porn, young looking adults, age play, etc... In fact there are probably millions of pedophiles you never heard of, simply because they know how to deal with their desires without harming anyone. But if you criminalize everything innocuous that could make a pedophile jack off, it is no wonder they end up as criminals.