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Google Is Planning a 'Pixel 3' Laptop Running 'Andromeda' OS For Release in Q3 2017 (androidpolice.com)

Google plans to launch a laptop next year with Pixel branding which will run 'Andromeda' operating system, reports AndroidPolice, citing sources. Andromeda is a hybrid of Android and Chrome OS, the report adds. Pixel, Chrome OS and Android teams have been working on this project, dubbed Bison, for years, apparently. From the report: Bison is planned as an ultra-thin laptop with a 12.3" display, but Google also wants it to support a "tablet" mode. It's unclear to us if this means Bison will be a Lenovo Yoga-style convertible device, or a detachable like Microsoft's Surface Book, but I'm personally leaning on the former given how thin it is. Powering it will be either an Intel m3 or i5 Core processor with 32 or 128GB of storage and 8 or 16GB of RAM. This seems to suggest there will be two models. It will also feature a fingerprint scanner, two USB-C ports, a 3.5mm jack (!), a host of sensors, stylus support (a Wacom pen will be sold separately), stereo speakers, quad microphones, and a battery that will last around 10 hours. The keyboard will be backlit, and the glass trackpad will use haptic and force detection similar to the MacBook. Google plans to fit all of this in a form factor under 10mm in thickness, notably thinner than the aforementioned Apple ultraportable.The report, however, adds that it is likely that Google might revise the specifications by the time of its launch, which is slated to happen sometime in Q3 2017.

56 comments

  1. frist psot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but does it run GNU plus linux or is it only GPLv2ed and tivoized linux?

    1. Re:frist psot by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Given what both Android and Chrome OS are, chances are it's not GNU at all: it's the obverse of Debian's KFreeBSD. Linux Kernel plus BSD userland plus Google UI

    2. Re:frist psot by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Also, speaking of GNU, it's ironic that they codenamed it Bison, when there is no GNU in it ;-)

    3. Re:frist psot by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      With their latest Android sandbox, Chrome OS integrated Wayland faster than my desktop distro!

      Hopefully that's a sign of dogfooding where Google programmers actually start to develop Chrome OS within Chrome OS without a need of a workstation pushing updates to a 'device' from desktop Linux, Windows 10 or macOS. Ars Technica's scathing review of Android on the Pixel C concluded that if programmers were forced to actually use the product they were writing as a daily driver, usability issues might get fixed.

      Andromeda/Fuchsia/Bison, whatever they're calling it, might build on Gentoo and Wayland to also produce a killer desktop experience in a way that Ubuntu Convergence and MS Continuum seem still-born.

      But no, their vision will probably extend only to a locked down device. :(

  2. And close it down come Q2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SNAFU

    Face it. Teh G only gets into your ass if it does it for FREE!

  3. root by w3bd4wg · · Score: 1

    do you think they will give users root?

    1. Re:root by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Oh I imagine they'll root us pretty good.

  4. Big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FFS, nobody running Android wants Chrome OS for anything. Multi windows were the big missing feature in Android, and they were already added.

    So now manufacturers should be producing lots of Android top end laptops and tablets using the new multi-window feature. INSTEAD THEY WILL WAIT TILL THIS NEW ANDROMEDA OS arrives. So you've undermined your own Android OS and delayed its growth upwards into Q3 2017 or later.

    For what?

    Android runs on that hardware today. Android supports all that crap today. Why the fuck don't you just deliver Android on this Pixel 3 *NOW* and stop trying to rope Chrome into everything.

    1. Re:Big mistake by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know that Google has been working on and planning this "marriage" of OSes when they released Android and CromeOS. They said at the time that the hardware and apps just wasn't up to the marriage they envisioned. Apparently, they have decided that now is the time. Most likely, this hybrid OS will run stock Android apps and will also likely replace both of the current OSes in time. This has been Google's vision since the start of these projects. Now, we'll see if they pull it off. I hope they do for the simple reason that one OS from a company is usually better than two; especially when it comes to support.

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    2. Re: Big mistake by erikmartino477 · · Score: 1

      Have you actually tried Chrome OS?

    3. Re:Big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And me as a customer care about Google's internal organization why exactly? Is this marriage for Google's benefit or their customers?

      I asked a two word question: "For what?" The only valid answer is a to add a bunch of features (listed x,y,z) requested by users. None of the answers to my comment do that. e.g. Erik Martino Hansen, replies to a question with a question. You cite an internal Google requirement.

      ChromeOS brings nothing to this table but delay. There is nothing in that spec that Android doesn't already support.

    4. Re: Big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Answer a question with a question doesn't answer the question.

      Android on big tablets has a few issues: when you start an app designed for a 5 inch portrait phone, it starts up as a 12 inch giant landscape thing. It should start up as a 5 inch portrait window on the landscape screen. The app should behave as it would on the phone, not try to be a giant phone. This is potentially fixed in Android 7.

      Battery drain: Android devices usually use USB chargers, but 12 inch plus tablets draw more power than the charger can supply. This was fixed in USB C.

      Processing power: processors typically chosen for battery performance, this is starting to change with the Tegra X1 etc. and it always supported Intels offerings. This was fixed for 2 years now, waiting on the software to use it.

      Use: artists paint with brushes, they don't finger paint, you need a style support.

      So now, you're telling me that despite having fixing (late) for all of the issues, everything will be delayed for a year while Pitchai tries to rope Chrome in somehow?? The October 4th launch better be a new top end Pixel tablet running Android 7 in multi-window, because otherwise the leadership in Google is an AC on Slashdot complaining. FFS.

  5. Pixel 3 by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    The "3" stands for how many units they expect to sell.

  6. I wonder if Chromebooks will move back to ARM by hattig · · Score: 0

    The recent ARM SoCs are competitive with the low end Intel chips (and in Apple's case, the A10 is approaching mid-range Intel i5s) used in this type of laptop, and indeed many exceed them. Next year the SD830 and the MT X30 should both be extremely powerful options.

    This could help Google reduce costs and achieve the thinness this laptop suggests, without resorting to poorly performing Atom SoCs.

    1. Re:I wonder if Chromebooks will move back to ARM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Please provide real world benchmarks that indicate this. Saying they both run a 2GHz is not proof positive. Desktop (and to a lesser extent) laptop processors use multiple pipelines to improve performance and limit stalls plus a whole world of other optimization that suck power to improve performance. ARM chips, being designed for power efficiency, tend to stay away from this for power considerations, something Intel has never shied away from. My android phone versus my i5 laptop, there's no comparison. My phone (Nexus 5x) is at best 1/10 the speed of my laptop which is about 3 years old.

  7. Surveillance Included. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, no thanks.

  8. Crucial question by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you easily remove this 'Andromeda' crap run an ordinary Linux distribution on it? Then it could be a really interesting machine.

    1. Re:Crucial question by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that even if Google doesn't support the option, someone will figure it out quickly.

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    2. Re:Crucial question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why the linux community is not capitalizing on the situation with the Windows 10 Fiasco and Google and Apple spying on you? This is quite the time to hit them with a secure OS. Start making deals to get Adobe products to work on Linux and others like the old Unix's did before.

    3. Re:Crucial question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Ubuntu has its only spying crap in it now and RedHat is too expensive.

      There are certainly options out there but commercially supported options are few and far between these days.

    4. Re:Crucial question by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Even if Adobe were to port their software to Linux the problem is most people don't care. I am personally very sad to what Ms has done with Windows 10 but 99% of people out there don't know or don't care.
      Besides that, Linux would need to run much more Windows' software than the Adobe suite to be even considered as a viable replacement for most people.

    5. Re:Crucial question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of security-focused Linux OSes, e.g. Tails, Qubes, Whonix, Ubuntu Privacy Remix, Kali Linux - just to mention a few. And then there is also the whole BSD family of free Unix OSes who are very security vetted, e.g. NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD. So I'm not sure what you mean by "the linux community is not capitalizing on the situation" ..?

    6. Re:Crucial question by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      What's interesting about it? Netbook/Tablet hybrids are widely available already! Most of them come with Windows 10, but you can install anything you like on them.

      But, FWIW, Chromebooks generally have a feature, sometimes implemented in hardware, sometimes in software, that disables the TPM module so you can either access the operating system as a developer, or wipe the OS completely and put on a more usual desktop system.

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    7. Re:Crucial question by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

      Damn, you're right, it's not interesting at all. I mistook this "Pixel 3" brand for a Pixel Qi display! :-/

    8. Re:Crucial question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that would mean catering to the normies and I wouldn't have my sekret club to feel superior.

    9. Re:Crucial question by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu 16.04 has the Amazon web search feature disabled by default.

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    10. Re:Crucial question by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      very true (sorry: i haven't any modpoints left...)

    11. Re:Crucial question by pD-brane · · Score: 1

      Or a BSD. It would be good if the hardware specs are open. Maybe Andromeda would work as well. It should be at least be free software.

    12. Re:Crucial question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the "linux community" is in position to make deals with anyone, specially with Adobe.

    13. Re:Crucial question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure that even if Google doesn't support the option, someone will figure it out quickly.

      I am not sure of that at all.

      Chromebooks can run plain linux from first boot, or they can run Crouton chroots under ChromeOS Linux. Both depend on support from Google in the form of the following:
        - publication of full source code including BIOS and kernel modules for special hardware
        - platform requirement of a "Dev switch" that is not a one-way fuse and is totally under the user's control
        - "Dev screw" inside the case for completely replacing Google's signing key, decisively setting the user as the true owner of the hardware.
        - Crouton's primary maintainer is a Googler
        - The Linux of ChromeOS supports virtual consoles so Crouton can run its own X server but share the video hardware with ChromeOS. While ChromeOS currently uses X11, in the future when it no longer does Crouton will still work because of virtual console support in ChromeOS.
        - The ChromeOS source is well-factored, so the image is almost identical from one device to the next: there's very little device-specific stuff in Crouton.
        - ChromeOS source is built from HEAD, so it changes gradually, and goes through a Beta phase. Bugs in Crouton get shaken out in the Beta phase so they rarely affect ChromeOS-Stable users. Android tests releases in secret, then throws a pile of incompatible code over the wall every Christmas.

      Android provides none of this. Running plain Linux/X11 on an Android is so rare I have never seen it, not even on tablet Androids with full keyboards. Running Linux on a Chromebook is so routine that the Pixel 2 "LS" variant was meant mostly for Linux users.

      Android has historically been less generous with source code, and focused more on manufacturers and carriers at the expense of the user. Android also has a lot of necktie damage because tablets and phones are "so hot right now," while traditional laptops are desperate for attention so the user-focused requirements of ChromeOS are easier to negotiate.

      tl;dr I respect ChromeOS. I do not respect Android. They haven't earned it. Their work is Windows 98 quality, they don't put the user first, they're arrogant and defensive about their shortcomings, and they practice "throw over the wall" free software instead of iterating on the usefulness of the freedom they provide like someone who generally cares about it. They've been playing catchup with ChromeOS forever and have never won a detail-focused technical argument. They always retreat to businessguys and uninformed speculative tech blogger peanut gallery to bully their way to prominence, and their motivation is "activations," showmanship, attention, not the steady quiet quality that has driven ChromeOS from the beginning. I don't welcome their involvement. I don't think the new hardware will be as friendly as the old hardware.

      which, by the way, is probably the most Linux-friendly and security-friendly laptop hardware in existence. Whether you wipe the machine or keep Google's signing key and run Crouton, I recommend running Linux on a Chromebook over running it on Windows hardware. I'm glad there will still be non-Google Chromebooks and hope Android doesn't infect them. I'm anxious that Pixel 2's are sold out and might not be replaced.

    14. Re:Crucial question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, Chromebooks generally have a feature, sometimes implemented in hardware, sometimes in software, that disables the TPM module so you can either access the operating system as a developer, or wipe the OS completely and put on a more usual desktop system.

      Yes, the TPM is involved in ChromeOS secure boot: it enforces wiping the userdata partition if you downgrade the OS. However ChromeOS's dev switch does not disable the TPM. You are free to use TPM features from your non-Google-signed OS.

      The dev switch is a platform requirement, not something left up to the manufacturers.

  9. To summarize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a rumor that there will be a hardware announcement of new hardware running new software sometime next year?

    Stunning

    1. Re:To summarize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a rumor that there will be a hardware announcement of new hardware running new software sometime next year?

      Stunning

      Welcome to the New Slashdot(tm)

  10. Seems unlikely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Tegra K1 laptops appear to have all been discontinued. Other than a few Rockchip models (which only have proprietary 3d support) the arm chromebook market has essentially died.

    I'm looking into picking up one myself from the few remaining new vendors. But the only models left are 250-400 dollars, with 4 gigs of ram and either HD screens, or if you buy 3rd party at a premium, 1080p screens.

    The only model officially documented on the google website out of those is the CB5-311. None of the other models have google chromebook pages, and almost none of the 2016 models are on the google chromebook hardware/dev pages either. Looks like another site/wiki that google has abandoned.

  11. big.LITTLE, superscalar, or SMT? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Desktop (and to a lesser extent) laptop processors use multiple pipelines to improve performance and limit stalls

    ARM chips have multiple cores, each with its own pipeline. In fact, ARM processors using a "big.LITTLE" microarchitecture have sets of performance-optimized and power-optimized cores for use during different power management states. Are you referring to "superscalar", in which the instruction decoder reorders multiple instructions from one thread to run them in one cycle? Or are you referring to simultaneous multithreading (SMT), where two instruction decoders, one on each thread, feed into a single set of execute units? Intel Atom uses SMT to hide stalls, as do recent AMD microarchitectures where the two cores in a "module" have their own integer execute units but share FPU and other resources.

  12. Andromeda Ascendant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will Lexa Doig provide the user interface?

  13. Reduced OS for short term gains. by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I would focus on getting such devices to run on full desktop OS's or we will get in the trouble that we had with windows 3.1-ME

    Where DOS and Windows Up to ME. Were designed for Low End Desktops while Unix/VMS/NT were designed for real computing. By the time 95 came out Desktop PC's were powerful enough to run the Big Boy OS's however we were stuck on the legacy systems for compatibility for over a decade.

    What really did the trick was the move to 64bit. And the rise of Web Applications, allowing a much smoother transition.

    But these OS's designed for mobile, will only get us in trouble once mobile devices are on par with our desktop systems.

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    1. Re:Reduced OS for short term gains. by erapert · · Score: 2

      I would focus on getting such devices to run on full desktop OS's or we will get in the trouble that we had with windows 3.1-ME

      What trouble?

      What really did the trick was the move to 64bit.

      Did the trick? What trick? And why is 64-bit relevant to the trick?

      And the rise of Web Applications, allowing a much smoother transition.

      A smoother transition from what to what?

      But these OS's designed for mobile, will only get us in trouble once mobile devices are on par with our desktop systems.

      What?? Why would there be trouble? What kind of trouble? How would mobile devices be on par with desktop systems?

    2. Re:Reduced OS for short term gains. by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I'll tell you what trouble:
      No root access for users, built-in unremovable (see first point) spying. In Android at least, only one application can be running at the same time (no background processing unless you program a service for your app). iOS doesn't even allow you to install software from outside the official store. We'll see if Android goes that route in the future
      It's like going back to the stone ages.

    3. Re:Reduced OS for short term gains. by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but both Android and ChromeOS (presumably meaning the OS under discussion here too) are full blown modern operating systems with networking, permissions, memory protection, etc. They are both on a par with Unix in terms of features. They both, however, have user interfaces that block user access to certain features of the operating system.

      This is nothing like the jump from 95 to NT.

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    4. Re:Reduced OS for short term gains. by short · · Score: 1

      By the time 95 came out Desktop PC's were powerful enough to run the Big Boy OS's however we were stuck on the legacy systems for compatibility for over a decade.

      I have never been stuck on MS-Windows. And even some few unlucky person dependent on specific proprietary software were stuck only for about 4 years until VMware Workstation came out (and then QEMU came out in 2003).

    5. Re:Reduced OS for short term gains. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      In Android at least, only one application can be running at the same time (no background processing unless you program a service for your app)

      Bollocks.

      And the rest of what you say has nothing to do with Android or ChromeOS. You can have access to root in both. Android devices generally have it disabled but it can be enabled - of course, even CyanogenMod discourages root access these days, as it shouldn't be necessary. ChromeOS? Off by default, but every ChromeBook let's you reconfigure ChromeOS to allow root if you desperately want it. As for "Spyware", it's entirely up to you whether you use Google's services or not.

      And none of your objections have anything to do with the original point. You're complaining about the UI disabling certain features. The underlying operating system has those features. And, frankly, easy access to root was something that Windows 95 gave you by default that NT made a little harder to get...

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    6. Re:Reduced OS for short term gains. by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      ChromeOS is built on Gentoo. It may have a relatively simple and locked-down interface, but it's a full blown Linux distro underneath.

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  14. Re:Ed Snowden Says Stay Away From Google Allo by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    It also doesn't work seamlessly with existing messaging apps. I gave it a test run and was told by message recipients that it pops up a warning message about the message "may come from an unsafe source" every time I sent a message.

    I'm not going to piss off everyone I text with that crap so I uninstalled it.

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  15. Alien Virus by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0

    I've seen that Andromeda movie. Wasn't it an alien virus that almost wiped out life on earth- and just when they thought they had a solution the virus mutated and kept on killing.

    Is this what google is trying to accomplish? Wipe out all life on earth so the only sentient beings are... ... androids?

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    1. Re:Alien Virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen that Andromeda movie. Wasn't it an alien virus that almost wiped out life on earth...

      No, it was a TV series about a Buck Rogers scenario where the starship Andromeda got caught at the edge of a black hole and ended up released in the distant future. Hercules piloted Andromeda around future space, trouncing baddies and bringing hope to the downtrodden.

    2. Re: Alien Virus by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      One word: blancmange!

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  16. Only 3? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    "Three pixels oughtta be enough for any baby!"

    - Toddler Gates

  17. Will it come with a Lexa Doig robot? by sconeu · · Score: 0

    n/t

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  18. Unsaid by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The report, however, adds that it is likely that Google might revise the specifications by the time of its launch, which is slated to happen sometime in Q3 2017.

    The report, however, failed to add that it is likely that Google will grow bored of the project and abandon it and its' customers, which is slated to happen sometime in Q3 2018.

    1. Re:Unsaid by dddux · · Score: 1

      That's one of the reasons why I tell people to just scrap everything and go Linux. Linux will never stop being supported and it will never go bust, which you can't say for any of the current OSes.

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  19. Merge conflict detected by DrYak · · Score: 2

    I don't understand why the linux community is not capitalizing on the situation with the Windows 10 Fiasco and Google and Apple spying on you? This is quite the time to hit them with a secure OS. Start making deals to get Adobe products to work on Linux and others like the old Unix's did before.

    Git cherry pick failed: merge conflict detected.
    Please resolve manually.

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  20. Awesome by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    A ndromeda is a hybrid of Android and Chrome OS

    Perhaps I lack imagination, but I can't see any way at all how that would turn out to be utter shite.

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  21. Galaxy? by mutherhacker · · Score: 1

    They should know better than to use galaxy related names. Might spontaneously combust like the Note 7.

  22. what nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what nonsense Google don't work on something for years, a couple of weeks effort release the pre-alpha code - job done.