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HERE, Automakers Team Up To Share Data On Traffic Conditions (reuters.com)
German digital map maker HERE will introduce a new set of traffic services this week that allows drivers to see for themselves what live road conditions are like miles ahead using data from competing automakers, an industry first, reports Reuters. From the report: The Berlin-based company, owned by Germany's three premium automakers, will provide four services in which drivers share detailed video views of traffic jams or accidents, potential road hazards like fog or slippery streets, traffic signs including temporary speed limits and on-street parking. BMW, Daimler and Volkswagen will all contribute data to the service, making their first big collaboration since they bought HERE for 2.8 billion euros ($3.1 billion) late last year from mobile equipment maker Nokia of Finland. Other automakers are expected to join the project later and contribute data from their vehicles, HERE said. The new live traffic services are set to hit the road in the first half of 2017, HERE said on Monday before the opening of this week's Paris Motor Show.
And after 1 year you will need to buy new car to keep getting software updates.
'Nuff said.
The map display in a Tesla already shows traffic congestion. I have heard that they get the data from aggregate cell phone data. The cell towers can tell when the cellphones bunch up and stop moving.
HERE Maps is an iOS and Android app.
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While I would love to get live traffic info... I would have concerns about privacy with my Car broadcasting where I am at any moment.
Just because it is an European company it doesn't mean that the government will not want to get its hold on that data.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The topic here is German cars, not Android.
Please stay on topic.
It's only compatible with the iPhone 7 and Android 7, you'll have to buy a new car to get updates in a year. If such things are difficult for you to parse, the person you responded to, as well as this response, are humorous commentary on the state of forced phone upgrades through lack of software patching.
My 4S works just fine in my 2017 BMW, with an adapter.
You wouldn't download a car!
My first program:
Hell Segmentation fault
I'm starting to think they are way over thinking this traffic thing. Usually sticking my head outside my front door will tell me all I need to know about getting to work for that day.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Trust me, automakers plan to sell the same hardware for 10+ years.
Most likely they will also enter the market with 3 year old hardware.
You wouldn't download a car!
You could download and 3D print it, just choose a file without a gun in the trunk.
Automakers seem to be so incredibly adept at understanding what consumers want and manipulating consumers into wanting what the automakers offer.
But, automakers seem utterly clueless in realizing what technology consumers want. Why the fuck would you spend $3Billion for an unheard of mapping company that will show videos of congestion, when Google and Apple already provide accurate congestion reporting on any and every smartphone? It's an investment so utterly redundant that it is asinine.
I suppose it's not much different than Apple and Google trying to develop cars, something that they both seem eager to throw billions at. Like the car manufacturers that don't understand consumer technology desires, these tech companies don't understand consumer's automotive desires.
I wonder how it would work out if car companies only built cars and phone companies only built phones?
It's even present on lesser known OSes.
- It's the default maps on commercial ports of Sailfish OS
- It used to be available on Palm/HP webOS back when those existed. (But I didn't test it much. The unofficial GoogleMaps was better than Here, and the default official Google maps)
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I can use Here on my phone, in my 2004 Japanese car or on my 2003 Japanese motorcycle. I don't care I'm unable to contribute and when I start to get limited access to Here due to the fact I'm a non contributer, I'll go back to Google Maps or something else that just gives me an offline map and traffic info instead.Nothing of value was lost to me.
Now on the other hand you are stupid enough to buy a car that has/needs a constant online connection, suck to be you.
The map display in a Tesla already shows traffic congestion.
And you could probably find even older GPS units/applications that predate Tesla and still show traffic congestion.
(e.g.: old Tomtom do show traffic).
Even before the age of on-line connected cars, in Europe there were traffic information over the RDS data channel on FM stations
(and probably the same on the US equivalent ?)
The novelty isn't the traffic information, it's the way data is aggregated.
I have heard that they get the data from aggregate cell phone data. The cell towers can tell when the cellphones bunch up and stop moving.
The news here is that HERE-Maps managed to get competing automakers to work together to share their data on congestion (as determined by the connected cars themselves).
(Which could be combined with the coarser info from cell tower to get even more informations).
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My wife was mocking the app. "Traffic is slowing down now," she prompted. Thanks, hon, I never would have noticed traffic conditions out the window.
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As mentionned :
BMW, Daimler and Volkswagen are German automakers. Their bound by German laws.
And people in Germany tend to be very picky about their privacy.
The car will probably have to ask you if you agree to share you data.
With options to opt-in or opt-out.
(Though maybe the US-export model will get tempered with and will simply opt out of receiving the aggregated traffic information, but still constantly beam your position. To the NSA. And also transmit everything it can hear around).
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So if your phone is going 100mph in a 45mph zone {...} if we want to catch speeders it is a much smaller data sets with less big computation.
Hallo ! Vee are the German Automakers von BMW, Daimler and Volkswagen.
Vee are tasked mit designing dis car data aggregator.
Vat is dis "Speed limit" dat you're speaking of ?
Vee have never heard about it....
(Alzo, vat are dis "mph" units ? Do you have nicht metric Zystem ?)
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I think what the poster meant is that he's working on the other side of the same street.
(Or working from home), and litteraly doesn't need a complex system to tell him what are the conditions on the sole cross-read he needs to cross.
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Alternatively, he's Scandinavian, and the traffic problems he has to face are more weather-related (read: heavy snow-falls) other than other-people related (his closest neighbour, Olaf Guntersson, lives half an hour away).
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The Berlin-based company, owned by Germany's three premium automakers, will provide four services in which drivers share detailed video views of traffic jams or accidents, potential road hazards like fog or slippery streets, traffic signs including temporary speed limits and on-street parking.
Wasn't Germany one of the countries that had a hard time with google street view? Are they going to accept millions of cameras driving around sharing everything they see?
It is unwise to ascribe motive
HERE, Automakers team up to provide us something we've had for 10 years already from several other sources.
Thanks Automakers, good to see you're on the cutting edge of technology yet again!
"video views" How long before porn is accidently or intentionaly broadcast to the wrong person?
My car was in my closed garage and we were consenting adults in the garage when the car broadcast video of our collision to other vehicles nearby.
Here.com is beautiful and every time I look at Bing Maps, I just ask myself "What the *fuck* is going on over there?" It's just fucking embarrassing. Microsoft oughta have this contract. But they don't, because they just let their product languish and be a piece of shit.
HERE is what used to be Navteq before they got bought by Nokia, and then later sold to THERE (owned by the three german automakers). If you a car with built-in GPS it is probably already using that technology.
...car manufacturers should just make their info-tainment/navigation systems 100% compatible with iPhone and Android. There are no proprietary in-car mapping systems or digital user interfaces better than what people have on their phones, which already connects to new cars via bluetooth or cable/dock. Car companies need to hand the the navigation and digital interface to the tech-world, so they can concentrate on what's under the hood.
The earlier Nokia version of HERE for Android was very good for offline use - whole countries or large regions like US states were downloadable in one go as usefully searchable maps with SatNav routing, all for free. Google's limited offline capabilities looked pretty feeble in comparison. Now that the car companies have got hold of it and renamed it HERE WeGo, they've changed the interface to make it much more more oriented to providing turn-by-turn directions rather than map exploration, and long-term users are finding it slower and buggier, with a flakier offline mode: https://play.google.com/store/...
So you're saying, it used to be HERE, then it was THERE but now it's Everywhere?
It's 2016. You do not have a 2016 BMW.
Correction: You do not have a 2017 BMW.
And the manufacturers will start sending false data to competitors.