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Implication of Sabotage Adds Intrigue To SpaceX Investigation (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Washington Post: The long-running feud between Elon Musk's space company and its fierce competitor United Launch Alliance took a bizarre twist this month when a SpaceX employee visited its facilities at Cape Canaveral, Fla., and asked for access to the roof of one of ULA's buildings. About two weeks earlier, one of SpaceX's rockets blew up on a launchpad while it was awaiting an engine test. As part of the investigation, SpaceX officials had come across something suspicious they wanted to check out, according to three industry officials with knowledge of the episode. SpaceX had still images from video that appeared to show an odd shadow, then a white spot on the roof of a nearby building belonging to ULA, a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Boeing. The SpaceX representative explained to the ULA officials on site that it was trying to run down all possible leads in what was a cordial, not accusatory, encounter, according to the industry sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. The building, which had been used to refurbish rocket motors known as the SMARF, is just more than a mile away from the launchpad and has a clear line of sight to it. A representative from ULA ultimately denied the SpaceX employee access to the roof and instead called Air Force investigators, who inspected the roof and didn't find anything connecting it to the rocket explosion, the officials said. This week, ten members of Congress sent a four-page letter to several government agencies about the SpaceX explosion, raising the question as to whether or not SpaceX should be leading the investigation. Elon Musk said the investigation into what went wrong is the company's "absolute top priority." He added, "We've eliminated all of the obvious possibilities for what occurred there. So what remains are the less probable answers." SpaceX aims to resume flights in November.

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  1. Insightful by alphatel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Elon Musk said "We've eliminated all of the obvious possibilities for what occurred there. So what remains are the less probable answers."

    Solving a rocket failure is a complex task, on the order of magnitude of building a rocket from scratch.
    Generating theories that pseudo-government entities utilize sabotage devices from a mile away seems a bit John Nash.

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    1. Re: Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We call those mysterious devices "guns", "rockets", and "drones". And if you think that a company wouldn't stoop to shooting a sniper rifle at a competitor's product when there are billions of dollars at stake, you are completely out of touch with reality.

    2. Re: Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean like ADAM and ATHENA, from a company called "Lockheed Martin"?

    3. Re: Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The fact that SpaceX thought of ULA, from a mile away, sabotaging their launch shows that SpaceX has thought about how to sabotage a rocket launch from a mile away.

      ULA better watch their back.

  2. So basically nothing's ever Musk's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Tesla crashes are always the user's fault, SpaceX explosions are sabotage...

    Why ever worry about QC if you can blame all your failures on someone else?

  3. Re:Grassy knoll? by MTEK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When Musk tweeted earlier, "particularly trying to understand the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off", I was kinda hoping he wasn't implying something.

  4. Re:What's with the video? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only does the video link not match the description,

    "video that appeared to show an odd shadow, then a white spot on the roof of a nearby building"

    it's tantamount to a propaganda video of exactly the sort I'd pay for if I wanted to ridicule anyone conducting an actual investigation into my industrial sabotage. How the fuck did this get past Slashdot editors?

    Amazing your post has been modded as flamebait. Really amazing that Slashdot is playing to the Alex Jones crowd.

    The video, which I have watched dozens of times, doesn't show anything weird at all. One of the "UFOs" was a seagull, another probably a bug. There is a fellow who does Youtube videos who calls himself "thunderfoot" - yes - that thunderfoot, the anti-modern day feminist, but he puts together a pretty good analysis.

    While not conclusive, he pretty much debunks this conspiracy theory of launchpad sabotage.

    As well, anyone wanting to sabotage the second stage would find the easiest path would be during buildup of the second stage.

    The breach almost certainly started at the interface between the second stage fuel and Oxidant tanks, which share a shell. Where in that area remains in question, but that's where it starts. There is an odd screech a second or so before the rapid disassembly that may or may not be connected to the event. The camera was some miles away, so a lot of things in between might make noise.

    note: that screech, if related, sounds like what happens when an extremely cold substance comes in contact with warmer metal. You can duplicate this by putting a penny on a piece of dry ice. The penny will make wierd noises.

    But don't the conspiracy folks have better things to do, like proving the moon mission was faked, or that Ted Cruz's father put the hit on John Kennedy, or that 9-11 was an inside job, or that electrical companies put the kibosh on perpetual motion?

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  5. Re:Grassy knoll? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When Musk tweeted earlier, "particularly trying to understand the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off", I was kinda hoping he wasn't implying something.

    I doubt it. Immediately before the disassembly, there was a screeching noise, and then another noise. Whatever it was, it didn't sound like any firearm.

    Commentary such as is is just people trying to put what pieces they can find together after the event. I'd like to understand those sounds as well. For the life of me, I can't imagine a competitor a-sniping.

    Spacex has been having some issues with that second stage. This isn't surprising that issues come up. When dealing with candles, there is a big learning curve, and if anyone doubts it, NASA and before them NACA, had rapid disassembly events on the launchpad - a lot of them. They are all on Youtube for people to see.

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