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KDE Plasma 5.8 LTS Desktop Officially Released (softpedia.com)

prisoninmate writes from a report via Softpedia: KDE will celebrate 20 years of activity on October 14, 2016, and they've just released the first LTS (Long Term Support) version of the KDE Plasma desktop environment. Prominent new features of KDE Plasma 5.8 LTS include support for desktop widgets, a new system-wide search functionality that promises to let users easily search their KDE desktops for everything they want, including apps, music, videos, files, folders, etc., a new tool to get hot new stuff for your KDE Plasma desktop, such as wallpapers, widgets, desktop effects, or window styles, and infinite customization possibilities. Moreover, KDE Plasma 5.8 LTS comes with a unified look for the default Breeze theme so that, no matter what type of application you're using (Qt4, GTK2, GTK3, or Qt5), it will look the same, mobile phone notifications, along with the ability to use your smartphone as a PC remote, transfer files or mute music during calls, all with the new KDE Connect plasmoid. There's also Right-to-Left (RTL) language support, simplified global shortcuts, improvements to many applets, and much better Wayland support. KDE Plasma 5.8 LTS will receive nine point releases until 2018. "Today KDE releases its first Long Term Support edition of its flagship desktop software, Plasma," reads the announcement. "This marks the point where the developers and designers are happy to recommend Plasma for the widest possible audience be they enterprise or non-techy home users. If you tried a KDE desktop previously and have moved away, now is the time to re-assess, Plasma is simple by default, powerful when needed."

72 comments

  1. F.Ultra sucks LP's cock. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    If KDE was any good it would depend on systemd.

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    1. Re:F.Ultra sucks LP's cock. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Is Wayland dependent on systemd? If it is, then the Wayland dependent aspects of KDE will be too. As an aside, wonder whether BSD will continue to actively support newer versions of KDE, as FreeBSD goes w/ Lumina, and OpenBSD holds back on previous versions of the various DEs

    2. Re:F.Ultra sucks LP's cock. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Sorry, what are you dividing w by?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    3. Re:F.Ultra sucks LP's cock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Wayland dependent on systemd?

      No, it isn't.

      If it is, then the Wayland dependent aspects of KDE will be too.

      What? KDE isn't Wayland-dependent. The only part of KDE that depends on Wayland is the part to support using KDE on Wayland, which you obviously won't be using if you're not running KDE on Wayland.

    4. Re:F.Ultra sucks LP's cock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If KDE was any good it would depend on systemd.

      Actually, I believe systemd depends on KDE.

    5. Re:F.Ultra sucks LP's cock. by fisted · · Score: 1

      Neither FreeBSD nor OpenBSD (nor NetBSD) ship or "support" any DE, and frankly I don't think any serious BSD user would even want to use KDE or Gnome or similarily bloated stuff that makes their computer "ready for granny". BSD users aren't granny, and granny doesn't use BSD. It would really be missing the point.

  2. Re:Trumped Up First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make KDE great again!

  3. Re: Trumped Up First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously though. KDE is messed up now. Where are all the keyboard shortcuts? They broke so much trying to make it all touch friendly. Grr.

  4. Really really trying not to troll here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've been out of the Linux loop for a long time, and I wanted to know if the current KDE releases have achieved parity with KDE2 with regard to printing capabilities. Honestly just want to know, I haven't used Linux since KDE 4.1 or so.

    1. Re:Really really trying not to troll here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    2. Re:Really really trying not to troll here... by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      Huh? There is nothing whatsoever wrong with KDE printing. Troll much?

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    3. Re:Really really trying not to troll here... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Huh? There is nothing whatsoever wrong with KDE printing. Troll much?

      What is up with the downmod trolls on this article?

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    4. Re:Really really trying not to troll here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is up with the downmod trolls on this article?

      All to often, you accuse others of trolling. This act in and of itself is a form of trolling and you were modded appropriately.

    5. Re:Really really trying not to troll here... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Hah. Baseless claim about KDE printing (which I know for a fact is fine) is not trolling? You, however, are clearly trolling.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
  5. Does multi monitor work now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or does the whole thing still crash horrendously when you turn off a display port monitor?

    1. Re: Does multi monitor work now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just a bug. There's no time for bugs when you're following a dream.

    2. Re:Does multi monitor work now? by TopherC · · Score: 2

      I think that was fixed in 5.6, although on my laptop I still have issues connecting to and from a docking station with external monitors. I've been using Cinnamon recently and thinking about even going (back to) XFCE. The problems are most likely related to X.org drivers and xrandr support, but the various DEs handle failure cases differently.

      I like KDE in general because it supports what I find to be efficient workflows, and the customization is relatively user-friendly and complete. But I've gotten increasingly frustrated with it over the years because it seems bugs are addressed slowly if at all, and there is rarely backporting of bugfixes like that display-port-related crash. That may be a little unfair, but that's the impression I get when using KDE.

    3. Re:Does multi monitor work now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We fixed a whole bunch of multiscreen problems. Most likely, your problems are gone with 5.8.

  6. Kool Desktop Environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's come a long way, but I'm still a TWM guy at heart ;)

    1. Re:Kool Desktop Environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer tiling window managers like i3, xmonad and awesome. I've become a lot more productive since switching away from stacking desktop environments.

  7. Sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KDE 1 up to and including 1.2 were good but KDE has sucked balls since ever after.

    1. Re:Sorry but... by Barsteward · · Score: 0

      you've been sucking your own balls far too long

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      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
    2. Re:Sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just suck off the shaft and don't stop till done. Acrobatics are overrated.

  8. I remember when... by wjcofkc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The main goal of KDE was to be a solid WIndows 95 clone. The first time I used it was version 0.6.something. I may have read about it on Chips and Dips. It was awful and development initially stalled. Today it is my favourite IDE. Although I frequently turn to OpenBox and and awesome for brain decompression.

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    1. Re:I remember when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      KDE was never meant to be a Windows 95 clone. It was originally made to look like the Common Desktop Environment from 1993.

    2. Re:I remember when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DE, not IDE.

    3. Re:I remember when... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That's funny, because the first time I messed with KDE -- by the time I got done tweaking and customizing, I'd quite accidentally recreated the Win95 desktop.

      I also prefer KDE to the other *NIX desktops, tho I liked 4.x a lot better than 5.previous.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  9. Whoopie! by Mikkeles · · Score: 0, Troll

    "KDE will celebrate 20 years of activity on October 14, 2016, and they've " nothing decent to show for it.

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    Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
    1. Re:Whoopie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the GNOME shill.

    2. Re:Whoopie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's time to re-asses?

    3. Re:Whoopie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This should be + 5 insightful. I'm bored to tears by the continual reinvention of the Linux desktops. For the last god know how many years all they do is piss about with shading, docker positions, window borders, colour schemes, spinning fucking widgets etc. Endlessly copying the piss poor crap produced by Microsoft and Apple but doing it badly.

      Meanwhile the number of actual useful, professional grade APPLICATIONS that are written for the Linux desktops remains at about 4.

      Look as soon as there were icons, a file manager, a way to put shortcuts on the desktop it was pretty much usable. Stop keeping on reinventing the fucking wheel and try making a fucking axle, an engine, a steering wheel, a hammer, a chisel. Something that you can use to do some fucking real work.

      TRY WRITING SOMETHING THAT LETS US USERS DO SOME USEFUL WORK.

    4. Re:Whoopie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KDE applications I use all the time to do some useful work include Kate, KDevelop, Krita, digiKam, Konqueror, KTorrent, K3b, Kile, and Okular.

    5. Re:Whoopie! by Kjella · · Score: 1

      This should be + 5 insightful. I'm bored to tears by the continual reinvention of the Linux desktops. For the last god know how many years all they do is piss about with shading, docker positions, window borders, colour schemes, spinning fucking widgets etc. Endlessly copying the piss poor crap produced by Microsoft and Apple but doing it badly. Meanwhile the number of actual useful, professional grade APPLICATIONS that are written for the Linux desktops remains at about 4.

      Everyone's free to scratch their own itch so I won't complain, but I mostly agree. I don't think anyone ever said "Okay all my applications run or have great replacements, but the DE looks like crap so I'm going with Windows/Mac". It's nice to have, but if it's not worse than Win95 it will do. If the car doesn't get you from A to B it really doesn't matter if it looks great, then I'll take the rusty beat up clunker that gets the job done. Oh well...

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    6. Re:Whoopie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such as what? It is incredibly useful. Following paths in the shell, using a shared clipboard with my phone, split window directories. I could go on for about 10 minutes about all the things that KDE does that no one else really does well.

      But why do I get the feeling you are just a blowhard? What is this WORK that you think the DE should do for you?

    7. Re:Whoopie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! In the mean time, real people need to use Photoshop, Engineering programs like Solid Works and Autocad, video editing software that linux sucks on, want to play all the best games available.

    8. Re:Whoopie! by Barsteward · · Score: 0

      "TRY WRITING SOMETHING THAT LETS US USERS DO SOME USEFUL WORK." - was that a reminder and a cue for you to do something instead of relying on others?

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      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
    9. Re:Whoopie! by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      only some do. i have no use for any of those examples

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      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
    10. Re:Whoopie! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

      TRY WRITING SOMETHING THAT LETS US USERS DO SOME USEFUL WORK.

      Sounds like a great idea, when is your first release?

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING

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      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  10. cashew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i just want my cashew back

  11. KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I loved KDE back in the 3.x days. I loved it until I "upgraded" to 4.x when it corrupted my email and then decided to continuously index everything, bringing my system to its knees at random times.

          > a new system-wide search functionality that promises to let users easily
          > search their KDE desktops for everything they want, including apps,
          > music, videos, files, folders, etc.

    I can't remember *ever* searching my desktop for anything. I never asked for this and never will. Thanks for implementing something that is so expensive and useless. I don't think I'll ever go back to KDE.

    Die nepomuk, baloo, and akonadi!

    1. Re: KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that KDE are trying to mirror MS Windows.
      For example, KDE 3 had a sort of webby feel to it, much like Windows XP,
      KDE 4 had a aero-style feel to it, much like Windows Vista/7,
      And KDE 5 has a metro feel to it, like windows 8 and 10.

    2. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood the need for search either -- until I worked with non-technical people.

      For my use-case, I place everything into neat folders, label and organize things appropriately to where I should NEVER have to search for anything. I know my system, and I know where my files are. BUT, apparently there are those that treat their computers as if they were the junk drawer... or worse, the junk closet/room in the house. Files are labeled as defaults (Document1.doc , untitled3.txt, etc.), thrown into piles and forgotten about. Sooner or later, this sort of lazy user wants to find a recipe someone e-mailed them and they downloaded.. maybe more than once into their huge downloads folder and it's "untitled75.doc" or maybe they moved it into their Documents folder... they can't remember. So, they search for "mom's spaghetti" and find it... bingo. magic. and now they use that search for everything b/c why bother organizing anything when your computer can just do the work for you? Sure, index all my files and everything inside them and their metadata so I can just use search and be lazy.

      Meanwhile, MS, Google, and/or whomever can take that index, upload it to their servers and parse your life for profit... or the government. Yay for intrusive corporations and secret government programs.

    3. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd just like to point out that nepomuk and friends are easily disabled, and once that's done KDE 4 is a very nice DE.

      KDE 5 is what worries me, it was a completely unusable when I tried it 6 months ago, to the point where I said "screw it, I'm done with this after being a user since 1.4.something", and switched to XFCE. Hopefully they are getting back on track, I kind of miss it from time to time. However, I'm afraid most of the old hands are gone and it's the new, narcissistic kids toy now, rather than an important tool with real users who are considered somewhat important.

    4. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what ? There are people who don't wipe their arse properly when they've been to the toilet. Why is this *my* problem ?

      Why should a computer cater for these people by default and treat me as if I'm one of them ? If they need them then, sure, write some programs they can install (or have someone install for them) that searches their disorganised junk pile for them. That's a worthwhile thing to do.

      But don't make it the default behaviour and don't expect me to use, or want, it.

      Wheelchairs are a wonderful invention for people who can't walk but you wouldn't expect everyone to use one all the time.

    5. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Frank+Burly · · Score: 3, Informative

      Baloo has replaced nepomuk and is much better behaved. Akonadi and Telepathy are frequent sources of frustration for me though. Also, the Network Manager can crash all Plasma widgets and window decorations, which is very annoying—I don't know if this is an OpenSuse or KDE bug. As I mentioned a couple months ago (modded +5!), it remains the least annoying DE for me.

    6. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should a computer cater for these people by default and treat me as if I'm one of them ?

      Because for every one of you, there are a hundred thousand of them. Computers are designed for the most common use models, not YOUR use model.

    7. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by nnull · · Score: 1

      I would love baloo if it actually worked right. The thing just fails for me to index anything right.

    8. Re: KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a simple but restricted way of organizing items and falls down when something belongs in two or more folders; copying and linking both have drawbacks.

      Databases store objects in trees for efficiency and the indexing enables them to be found. I'd love a good semantic search for filesystems and Desktops but up till now the trouble for me has been that either the indexing has failed to work properly or the search is too basic (or both).

      I still often use "find" and "grep" because it's fast and accurate but it only works for plain text. It has found files which KDE search has missed. Windows indexing is good but the search is poor. I don't know about Apple.

    9. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's good to hear, but what got me in the end was that every single time I went away for taking care of something else, it would have crashed my session when I came back.

      That aside, what you're telling me about the capabilities of NM isn't very encouraging. Not that I have any use for it, dhcpcd covers all my needs, but being able to crash basically your entire UI? What is this, aiming for feature compatibility with Windows 3.x? Have we learned nothing from the past? Sounds like I'm staying with XFCE for a while yet although it's kind of limited and a bit on the ugly side IMO. OTOH, I was there when FVWM95 was a thing, so heyo. At least it doesn't crash my session when I'm not babysitting it.

    10. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      If you ripped your face off, you would no longer be bothered by other people's choices with regard to the software they make, and I would feel a lot better about the world. It's a true win/win.

    11. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't get this strange mentality of "Oh no, the new version of X is bad, let's jump ship to Y instead of keep using previous version of X"

      KDE4 is still maintained for a long time, very stable and usable. Why not just keep using that?

      This applies to everything, but the topic was KDE.

    12. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      KDE4 is still maintained for a long time, very stable and usable. Why not just keep using that?

      Because you have to use whatever your chosen distro decides to ship with and maintain. Putting your own DE on a distro isn't that easy usually, and ends up with rough edges. All the distros seem to have finally switched to KDE5 (Mint just now switched, with the recently-released Mint 18 KDE Edition). If I have to go to extra trouble to use KDE4, I might as well just jump ship and use XCFE, since there's distros that feature that instead.

    13. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by pointbeing · · Score: 1

      Baloo has replaced nepomuk and is much better behaved. Akonadi and Telepathy are frequent sources of frustration for me though. Also, the Network Manager can crash all Plasma widgets and window decorations, which is very annoying—I don't know if this is an OpenSuse or KDE bug. As I mentioned a couple months ago (modded +5!), it remains the least annoying DE for me.

      I disable both baloo and akonadi (I use no KDE PIM apps). I'm running v5.7.4 on Debian Unstable and telepathy is still busted if you need to connect to a skype for business resource, but perhaps that's fixed in 5.8. Also, I have no love for network manager; my requirements are simple so I use wicd-kde. My Plasma 5 desktop uses about 100MB more RAM at idle than my openbox/compton/tint2/pavucontrol/wicd/conky/pcmanfm desktop did, which means it takes about two seconds longer to boot. But - customizable? I have a desktop service menu with my most-frequently used applications (this was really the only thing I missed from *box) and if one was to look in ~/.config there are enough text files in there to keep me entertained for months.

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      we see things not as as they are, but as we are.
      -- anais nin
    14. Re:KDE=bloated pig with bad lipstick by orionbelt · · Score: 1

      KDE4 is still maintained for a long time, very stable and usable. Why not just keep using that?

      How much i wish what you wrote were true, but i am afraid it isn't:

      Back in August 2013 we promised to do Long Term Support for kde-workspace for
      2 years.

      This means this August is the last release for kde-workspace.

      Anyone has a strong reason we should keep doing kde-workspace 4.11.x releases?

      Yes, some distributions still offer KDE4, but i am wondering how secure it is when i read things like this

      "Many popular KDE applications use QtWebKit, which is old and deprecated. These deprecated versions of WebKit suffer from well over 100 remote code execution vulnerabilities fixed upstream that will probably never be backported. (100 is a lowball estimate; I would be unsurprised if the real number for QtWebKit was much, much higher."

      "QtWebKit is still maintained in Qt and is getting some backports, but from a quick check of their git repository it’s obvious that it’s not receiving many security updates. This is hardly unexpected; QtWebKit is now years behind upstream, so providing security updates would be very difficult. There’s not much hope left for QtWebKit; these applications have hundreds of known vulnerabilities that will never be fixed."

      I have been a longtime KDE user, and their refusal to continue supporting KDE4 while KDE5 is being developed is precisely what infuriated me to the point of wishing to abandon it and making me actively look into alternatives. Up until KDE3, i was willing to accept some bloatness and features that i never used because of KWin's configurability and internationalization (there was a time when other DEs would lock you out of your session for good if you were using a non-latin keyboard when you locked the screen!). Then i swallowed the fiasco of the transition from KDE3 to KDE4, during which KDE developers abandoned support of KDE3 long before KDE4 was in a usable form (except perhaps on their own laptops?) telling myself that perhaps this was an error in judgment caused by their inexperience (they are not professionals, after all), and that they would learn their lesson... And let's not even get into the semantic desktop crap...

      So we finally arrive at KDE5, where KDE developers shove down their users' throats a half-baked product once again by refusing to keep maintaining KDE4. I cannot even remember how many bugs this thing had when i was forced to install it some months ago, many of which have not yet been fixed to this day... Konsole, my workhorse application, crashing with a mysterious combination of key strikes; the screen going black when opening a new window; things like the session manager autostart sometimes working and sometimes not; irritating taskbar bugs too many to mention here; "focus follows mouse" sometimes working and sometimes failing... To compound the misery, KDE settings are no longer saved under ~/.kde5 but are spread all over the place in ~/.config and other directories; possibly to comply to some desktop standard, except KDE is so bug it overwhelms these directories and it's no longer to rename ~/.kde5 to make an easy fresh start when trying to figure out what's wrong...

      I reported some of these bugs, but i must confess that at this point i have very little good will vis a vis KDE to be a happy bug reporter! After all, i am not doing it out of my own free will: KDE5 was forced down my throat, and i find myself obliged to spend hours and hours on their project instead of *my* projects, and at a time that was certainly not of my own choos

  12. Re:Well!I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he wrote programs for KDE they would be Krap and not Crap.

  13. The problem with KDE (and Gnome, and Unity) by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For me, desktop environment should just be in the background, waiting to do what you tell it do, fast, efficiently and using as few resources as possible. KDE, Gnome and Unity have decided to take the opposite approach - they are the stars of the show, they may, or may not, allow you to do what you want to do, they are not particularly fast or responsive, and they consume more system resources than just about any other application. Since it is those desktops what the Linux community is pushing to compete against Windows and Mac, I am only too glad that they are not making any significant headway in that undertaking.

    1. Re:The problem with KDE (and Gnome, and Unity) by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't go as far as you do, but I do agree I'd like to see nearly all the bundled applications separated.

  14. Am I the only one around here... by w1z7ard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    who still loves KDE and thinks this is great news?

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    "Recursive bipartite matching"- try it!

    1. Re:Am I the only one around here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still love KDE, but I'm still on version 4.

      Last time I tried Plasma 5, it kept moving my desktop icons around. Even worse, the "decorations" (title, minimize, close) were disappearing from windows.
      But announcements like this never tell you whether or not basic stuff has started to work yet.

    2. Re:Am I the only one around here... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I just moved from 4 to 5. 5 seems alright now, not seeing any of the glaring bugs I saw in it last year. Not really seeing anything new that's worthwhile either though.

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  15. Different backgrounds for virtual desktops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they restored the KDE4 feature where you can have different backgrounds for your different virtual desktops? I'm still on KDE 4 just because that functionality is still not implemented in Plasma 5.

    1. Re:Different backgrounds for virtual desktops by Barsteward · · Score: 0

      just because you want different backgrounds? thats the most important thing? good grief

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      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
  16. New features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't used KDE in a couple of years, but the summary caught me off guard

    "Prominent new features of KDE Plasma 5.8 LTS include support for desktop widgets, a new system-wide search functionality that promises to let users easily search their KDE desktops for everything they want, including apps, music, videos, files, folders, etc., a new tool to get hot new stuff for your KDE Plasma desktop, such as wallpapers, widgets, desktop effects, or window styles, and infinite customization possibilities "

    I seem to remember using all of those features in KDE 4.12, way back in 2013. Am I going crazy here?

    1. Re:New features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're not crazy. Remember how long it took KDE4 to get feature parity with good ol' 3.5? We're just recapitulating that.

  17. Please not another new desktop search by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Informative

    First thing I have to do after installing KDE is kill the baloo semantic desktop search indexer to stop it from using 100% of the CPU.

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    1. Re:Please not another new desktop search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "crappy" began with a "K" the naming would make much more sense.

    2. Re:Please not another new desktop search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I admit I'm wearing a tinfoil hat on this one... but the only person benefiting from desktop search on my machine would be the hackers et al. If they don't make it easy to turn off I can't help but wonder if, like the web, I'm someone's "product" now too.

  18. Simple by default by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know... have you seen all the extra gizmos and gadgets littering the desktop elements? That control-panel that slides out from each window, allowing you to arbitrarily rotate the window in the screen plane? Who the hell needs that?

  19. i3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having discovered how great i3 is, I will never use another DE again.

    1. Re:i3 by fisted · · Score: 1

      "another" DE? Like i3 was a DE in the first place? Sheesh.