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Google Refreshes Its Streaming Dongle: Unveils $69 Chromecast Ultra With 4K and HDR Capabilities (engadget.com)

Posted by msmash on from the for-your-streaming-delights dept.

On the sidelines of Pixel smartphones announcement and $79 Daydream View VR headset, Google also announced a refresh for its streaming dongle. Called the Chromecast Ultra, the dongle offers 4K and HDR capabilities. The Chromecast Ultra, the company says, is the fastest Chromecast it has event made (it can load videos about 1.8 times faster than the standard Chromecast (all thanks to improved Wi-Fi connectivity). The Chromecast Ultra also includes an Ethernet port on the power adapter. Engadget adds: It's still a svelte puck like the earlier models, but it has a bit of a stealth bomber aesthetic. And at $69, it's far more expensive than the current $35 Chromecast. Still, it comes in $10 less than Roku's cheapest 4K player, and will be useful for anyone who wants to quickly stream high-res video to their new 4K TV.

51 comments

  1. Difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read that as: "Google Refreshes Its Steaming Dongle..." and assumed that they had just screwed someone else.

    1. Re:Difference by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      "Streaming dongle" sounds like the side effect of a drug you see advertised on MeTV.

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    2. Re:Difference by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      I read that as: "Google Refreshes Its Steaming Dongle..." and assumed that they had just screwed someone else.

      I read it as "Streaming Dongle" but just figured Google'd just had too much beer recently (you don't buy beer, you just rent it).

  2. Any tablets/phones with HDR screens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still a chicken and egg problem though. Hopefully PC monitors get HDR soon as well.

    1. Re:Any tablets/phones with HDR screens? by BaronM · · Score: 1

      iPhone 7/7plus. HDR plus full color management to properly display sRGB content. PC monitors exist as well that can support 10-bit per channel color, but again, you'll need color management to avoid screwing up all of the content that assumes sRGB.

    2. Re:Any tablets/phones with HDR screens? by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      The tablet/phone doesn't need an HDR screen. Just the content has to be available in HDR (same with 4k).

    3. Re:Any tablets/phones with HDR screens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but why do you only want to see HDR on a TV? HDR could be beneficial for taking pictures and seeing what they actually should look like, as well as any HDR video you're recording with the phone/tablet. I want a HDR screen on my camera device precisely for this.

  3. Easy summary by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Added stuff you can't see / won't use*, now for double the price.

    *Not you, personally. I'm sure you can see the difference on your 80" 4k OLED curved set with deep color. I meant the rest of us with normal eyes and typical equipment. You know, the 99.9% of us who don't calibrate every TV in our house to 8 different times of the day so that we can watch with the correct color balance depending on the room lighting.

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    1. Re:Easy summary by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      *Not you, personally. I'm sure you can see the difference on your 80" 4k OLED curved set with deep color. I meant the rest of us with normal eyes and typical equipment. You know, the 99.9% of us who don't calibrate every TV in our house to 8 different times of the day so that we can watch with the correct color balance depending on the room lighting.

      Apparently, HDR is actually noticable if you have sets that properly support it. The 4K not so much, which isn't a huge loss since most movies are 2K only (2048x1080, just a bit wider than normal 1080p), so they've been somewhat upscaled for UHD. (You do get some benefit - a 2K movie uses all 1080 lines for movie information, unlike a Blu-Ray where you have letterboxing taking up about 120 of those lines.) Reason is most VFX is only done at 2K.

      But HDR is the big thing going to BT.2020 colourspace. (HDTV uses BT.709 which is very similar to sRGB).

    2. Re:Easy summary by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Willing to bet that you'll notice it side by side, but not in a typical mixed-lighting room with direct and indirect sources which are reflected from the (ubiquitous glossy or semi-gloss) screen in a room at 20-50 ft-candles where most people watch TV. For most people, you could just click on the hideous "vibrant" mode on most TVs and they'd think the TV looked better.

      It's like getting high definition or 192kHz/48 bit sound from your phone, and then using the included earbuds to listen to music on the New York subway to listen to it.

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    3. Re:Easy summary by Kjella · · Score: 1

      But HDR is the big thing going to BT.2020 colourspace.

      Technically HDR doesn't have anything to do with the color space, the UHD standard is a combination of four independent upgrades.

      1. 3840x2160 resolution -> more detail
      2. HDR -> higher contrast
      3. Rec.2020 -> greater range of colors
      4. 10 bit color -> less banding

      You want the last one to offset the effects of the two previous ones, you've stretched the range of both contrast and color space so you need greater granularity to achieve the same precision. With YUV encoding that would be Y and UV respectively, you've roughly doubled the available colors (35.9% -> 75.8% of CIE 1931) but have 16 times more steps to pick from (2 bits = 4 in U, same in V). As for contrast non-SD TVs have maybe 400 nits, now we have 1000 nits so I guess the extra bits pretty much go to extra range. Technically both HDTV with 10 bit and UHD with 8 bit would both be possible though, the latter just wouldn't look very good.

      The standard is now every bit as good and in some parts superior to the DCI 4K cinema standard, so yeah... the standard is a lot better than average consumer gear, as I understand only a few super-expensive laser projectors do full Rec.2020 and nothing does full 12 bit HDR up to 10.000 nits and even that isn't as bright as the real world when the sun is shining. But you don't need to take advantage of it all to at least see some difference...

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    4. Re:Easy summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going to use it to cast my laptop display up to my 65", 4K TV and use it as a big monitor so I can work comfortably from the couch.

    5. Re:Easy summary by non0score · · Score: 1

      You make it sound sinister. Just buy the Chromecast 2 if you don't have the proper goods; it's still being sold.

    6. Re:Easy summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how long? If they follow the pattern of Nexus devices, the Chromecast 2 will now get a final update which makes the devices unusable and then the whole device is abandoned.

  4. Why would anyone want this over a Mi Box? by BobboBrown · · Score: 1

    Apart from physical size, the Mi Box has this thing beat. Same price, 4K + HDR, Google Cast, but it's also an Android TV box with support for running apps, games etc. Any ideas?

    1. Re:Why would anyone want this over a Mi Box? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Well for one, it doesn't have a backdoor for the Chinese government.

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    2. Re:Why would anyone want this over a Mi Box? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty sure google sells their backdoors to whoever is willing to pay.

  5. Xiaomi Box by BWS · · Score: 1

    Why would you buy an Chromecast Ultra when you can pay the same for the Xiaomi Box? More Features on the Box http://www.mi.com/en/mibox/

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    1. Re:Xiaomi Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you rather be part of the Google botnet or a Chinese one?

    2. Re:Xiaomi Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why buy one of these when you can buy a Raspberry Pi 3 for $35? It can be setup to use either Linux or Android. (Android is likely better for streaming video apps, Linux for everything else.)

      Ever since the Pi 3 included basic WiFi, I see no reason to buy one of these streaming boxes.

    3. Re:Xiaomi Box by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Even if I was more DIY for buying PI's, my apartment is so saturated with Wifi that I can't even reliably stream with anything in B/G/N bands. Even AC is getting a little more congested these days. I'm on a Nexus Player now which is great, but I'd have at least considered this box if it had come a year or so ago. If you just want a play streamer, this article's box works best. If you need more of an appliance media concentrator, you'll now have to look somewhere else as they discontinued the Nexus Player...

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    4. Re:Xiaomi Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Cost of box + PSU.

      2) How do you control it, i.e. cast from random apps, pls?

    5. Re:Xiaomi Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends which one costs more

    6. Re:Xiaomi Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends which one *pays* more

    7. Re:Xiaomi Box by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why would you buy an Chromecast Ultra when you can pay the same for the Xiaomi Box?

      Because Xiaomi is either incompetent or corrupt where it comes to security, take your pick, no one cares.

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    8. Re:Xiaomi Box by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why buy one of these when you can buy a Raspberry Pi 3 for $35? It can be setup to use either Linux or Android.

      Bullshit. Android on Pi equals fail. What's super-sad is that Liz of the Pi Foundation demo'd Android running on the original Pi and then they refused to release their code and refused to tell us why. They just showed it, and then never spoke of it again and refused to answer any questions.

      Is there in fact any Linux ARM SBC with both a fully mainlined kernel and which doesn't jerk the user base around?

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    9. Re:Xiaomi Box by SuperDre · · Score: 1

      No HDR and no 4K..... (not that both are important)

  6. Doesn't look very big. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife is looking for a larger dongle, her port is a little worn out.

  7. Why would I buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I'm happy with my current Chromecast, and don't really give a shit about 4K video?

    1. Re:Why would I buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't.

    2. Re:Why would I buy? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      He'd also have to save up his allowance, so he's trying to come up with cool reasons for not wanting it.

  8. Ethernet by darkain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Optional Ethernet adapter... THAT ALONE = SOLD! Congested wifi in the city pisses me the fuck off. This has been the one and only feature I've wanted from these streaming devices all along.

    1. Re:Ethernet by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      It also supports the 5GHz wifi spectrum, which is usually much less crowded.

    2. Re:Ethernet by mrbester · · Score: 1

      An OTG Y cable, a USB to Ethernet adaptor and a CAT5 cable are all you need to get. Or you could get the all in one that is an accessory for the Chromecast from Google...

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    3. Re:Ethernet by Ingenium13 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They've had an ethernet adapter as an option since the original Chromecast 2 years ago, it was like $20 or $25 though I think. I bought it because I was sick of my 1st gen Chromecast not working well on congested 2.4 ghz wifi. It still works on my 2nd gen / 5 Ghz Chromecast too. Basically the price of the "old" chromecast + price of ethernet adapter = price of the new Chromecast. It's likely the exact same power/ethernet adapter.

    4. Re:Ethernet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure the previous one did.

    5. Re:Ethernet by Centurix · · Score: 1

      This one comes as standard with an ethernet adapter built into the external power brick.

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    6. Re:Ethernet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my current chrome cast has been plugged into cat 5 Ethernet since the day I got it, Ethernet adapters for them are not new.

    7. Re:Ethernet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so which one USB to Ethernet adaptor works with chromecast (their kernel doesnt include all modules) ?

    8. Re:Ethernet by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have one as well, for similar reasons. Works a treat.

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  9. msmash/manishs mush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... is the fastest Chromecast it has event made..."
    Dammit, Slashdot, get some damn Editors that can damn edit! That is what damn Editors are _paid_ for.

    "... (it can load videos about 1.8 times faster than the standard Chromecast (all thanks to improved Wi-Fi connectivity)."
    Missing capitalization twice, missing comma, missing parenthesis...

    I'm perfectly OK with a _little_ sloppiness on the part of _unpaid_ contributors to this site, you know the ones Slashdot, the ones that people actually come here to read. But msmash, and his previous incarnation of manishs, is a fucking disgrace to Editing and the English language.

  10. No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't think of a single reason that I would use (buy or for free) a dongle that sends a report to google on everything that I watch on TV. Is there free high-quality content? Is there something I'm missing here?

  11. Pi can't do the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no official Android for Pi, any Android ports are currently very slow. And you can't turn a Pi into a Chromecast, PiCast is not the same thing and only lets you stream certain content to the TV, it doesn't reflect your phone/tablet on the TV 1:1
    That official Android port for the Pi 3? It doesn't exist.

  12. yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm about to release MY streaming dongle if you know what I'm saying.

  13. 4K TVs come with built in streaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 2015 Samsung 4k TV came with streaming built in. The purpose of this dongle is ....?

    1. Re:4K TVs come with built in streaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wondered the same thing, how many TV's you buy nowadays that are 4k capable that aren't also smart TV's with this functionality basically baked in?

  14. So FUD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You realize this box has a mic connected to Google, who are both the biggest surveillance data miner in the planet, and also subjected to these secret court orders? I don't think FUD really works in this case.

    It's a bit sad. They're making a digital assistant, that is Siri from iPhone 4 days or echo. A phone that is a plain me-too device. They've added stablization to the camera! That is soooooo 3 years ago!

    VR Goggles after Samsung has realized there isn't a market and won't be refreshing its v2 headset. Google decides to make FURRY goggles. Oh YEAH, it was the lack of fabric that stops them selling! WTF, when it gets dirty are they supposed to wash it?

    CLUELESS! It's like they are totally directionless.

  15. Just ordered! by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

    YES!!!!! Now I can stream Southpark in 4K!

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  16. overrated by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    4K and HDR are highly overrated. HDR especially, just make sure your TV is calibrated will also do a lot to the quality of the image, and most 4K content (except 4K blurays) is not really 4K, yes the resolution might be 4K, but the quality is crap. Mostly it doesn't even come close to a decent mastered bluray (with that, I'm not talking about the 1GB bluray rips which people seem to think that's FullHD bluray quality)..

  17. Video Lan or GOM support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will Google allow chromecast to be supported on Windows XP again or let Video Lan (VLAN) and/or GOM to be supported for streaming?????
    What about releasing an open API to chromecast so that other free open software can be written for it too.