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Tech Billionaires Are Asking Scientists For Help To Break Humans Out of Computer Simulation (businessinsider.com)

Many believe that we live in a computer simulation. But it takes a billionaire and his money to ask scientists to help break us out of the simulation. The New Yorker recently did a profile about Y Combinator's Sam Altman. In the story, Altman discusses his theories about being controlled by technology and delves into the simulation theory. From an article on The New Yorker: Many people in Silicon Valley have become obsessed with the simulation hypothesis, the argument that what we experience as reality is in fact fabricated in a computer; two tech billionaires have gone so far as to secretly engage scientists to work on breaking us out of the simulation. Business Insider adds: The piece doesn't give any clue as to who those two billionaires are -- although it's easy to hazard a few guesses at who they might be, like Musk himself or Altman's friend Peter Thiel -- but it's fascinating to see how seriously people are taking this theory. According to Musk, it's the most popular topic of conversation right now.Earlier this year, at Code Conference, Elon Musk said there's "one in billions" chance we're not living in a computer simulation.

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  1. Will it end like The Talos Principle?! by Simulant · · Score: 5, Interesting


    The Talos Principle is a Portal-like puzzle game in which you try to break out of a computer simulation... or at least break it.

    It has one of the most gratifying video game endings ever, IMO.

  2. What would you do if malware tried to break out? by shess · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's your first response to seeing evidence of malware on your system? Reimage the shit out of that thing.

    This is even ignoring the likelihood that the simulation even simulates anything related to the world the hardware is in. I mean, at the end of Tron Legacy the gal gets to come to our world through ... the power of boners? I mean, I can see how the simulation can simulate a real-world person (I mean, his meat body would have died meanwhile), but the real world isn't setup to actualize a simulation, you can't just wish things to happen.

    Or maybe we break out into a cold dark universe where all matter has been converted into computational elements in service of the simulation. Hell, maybe it's running in sound-wave interference in a black hole. That'll be quite fun! Or, again, maybe the enclosing universe has no relationship to our universe, so not only do we have to understand our universe so thoroughly we can break out of it, we have to understand the enclosing universe thoroughly enough to break into it.

    And then, of course, when you come down to it, if you prove that we live in a simulation by breaking out of the simulation, now what you know is that it is possible to simulate a universe detailed enough to be thoroughly believable. So how the hell do you know you broke out of the simulation, as opposed to just running a new scenario in the simulation? If you actually did break out, how do you know that the new level isn't a simulation?

  3. Re:When did "The Matrix" become a religion? by Coisiche · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But offering them money to research "breaking out" is pretty stupid.

    They, like too many people, are afflicted by specialsnowflakeitis, the condition that just might bring about the end of the species.

    And they haven't thought it through. If they are in a simulation then all their wealth is simulated and they would have nothing after a hypothetical transfer from the simulation to a higher reality. But I guess their specialsnowflakeitis would see them through wherever they end up.

  4. Re:Must be nice .. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the quiet it is not unlikely that the wealthy are also investing in genetic research, head transplants and other medical life extension investigations that are not at all crackpot, just mainly unsavory. But we will not be told about them of course.

    Information still leaks out...like the rumors that Peter Thiel is getting blood transfusions from young people. There may be some merit to such a procedure. Other than that, there's cryogenic corpse-freezing (which the rich are quite interested in) and then just the various crackpot stuff.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  5. Re: Many believe that we live in a computer simula by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think Clinton is typically flawed for washington senators, representatives and similarly powerful bureacratic positions.

    I had to research her a lot this year and
    1) Cinton's been the target of a propaganda war for close to 20 years. This would destroy most people.
    2) The clinton foundation is very well run, has a much higher share of money that goes to help people than the american cancer society, has reasonable wages for its employees, and is highly rated by charity navigator.
    3) Clinton's actions show she is willing to put the good of the party and the country ahead of her personal good.
    4) Clinton's a patriot and even a bit of a nationalist.
    5) Clinton's wonky, intelligent, and creative and open to feedback from staff. She is more of a cooperative than authoritarian leader but has the strength to make decisions and stick by them.

    I think if you dig into her history on non conservative sites, you'll find the same things.

    Personally, I thought she was unelectable but, you know... Trump.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  6. Re:If you beleive in the simmulation hypothesis th by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Logically if this is a simmulation then one would guess that the players controlled by external overlords would be the most powerful sims.

    You are assuming that the simulation is multiplayer. Maybe it is single player, in which case only I am real, and you and Donald Trump are simply artifacts of the simulation.

  7. Re:When did "The Matrix" become a religion? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's called Gnosticism, and it has been around since at least the Second Century.

    Well, sort of -- though Gnosticism had a whole bunch of other metaphysical baggage wrapped up in it.

    A better historical parallel would be Descartes's evil demon, which manifested in 1981 in Hilary Putnam's famous philosophical article about Brains in a Vat, which was subsequently ripped off by The Matrix.