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The Real Reasons Companies Won't Hire Telecommuters (oreilly.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader Esther Schindler points us to a new article at OReilly.com: Those of us who telecommute cannot quite fathom the reasons companies give for refusing to let people work from home. But even if you don't agree with their decision, they do have reasons -- and not all of them are, "Because we like to be idiots." In "5 reasons why the company you want to work for won't hire telecommuters", hiring managers share their sincere reasons to insist you work in the office -- and a few tips for how you might convince them otherwise.
The arguments against telecommuting range from "creativity happens in the hallway" to "the extra logistics aren't worth it," and the article suggests the best counterarguments include pointing out a past history of successfully telecommuting and allowing your employer to gradually transition you into a remote position. And if all else fails, just become a "rock star," because according to one tech placement company, "For the right talent and when a role has been open for a very long time, they tend to give in."

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  1. Synergy! Connectivization! Linkativity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How in the world can Real Work(tm) get done without the constant barrage of face-to-face interruptions? Think of the children!

    Brought to you by Management. Management - for when you need to divide your day into never-ending 30-minute chunks of time. Focus? What the hell is that?

  2. Some good points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was getting ready to throw some serious shade at this, but there are actually a few good points in this article. In particular the comments regarding mentoring junior members and knowing when they are struggling.

    1. Re:Some good points. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've been mentoring junior developers for years, and there's been absolutely no uncertainty about which ones were struggling. Or which ones were overjoyed to be guided and which were just hoping I'd do their job for them,

      Some of them were even located on the same continent I am.

      Though I've never met any of them face-to-face. Or even voice-to-voice.

    2. Re:Some good points. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been mentoring junior developers for years, ...Though I've never met any of them face-to-face. Or even voice-to-voice.

      If you've never talked to them, how are you mentoring them?

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    3. Re:Some good points. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

      Welcome to the late 20th century, where email exists.

      And skype and webex and slack. I collaborate with a co-worker in Phoenix and one in Naples on a daily basis while I work off Broward (north of Miami). We conduct daily stand ups, code reviews and design meetings all remotely.

      A few weeks ago, I worked remotely with a team in Japan. And in the past I've done the same with people on the West Coast and India.

      This is the type of shit that has been possible for more than a decade.

      Now, I understand the rationale for being against telecommuting. But they are rarely technical, and sometimes, they are completely legitimate and rational.

    4. Re:Some good points. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      And to contradict that, we have the written word, in books, for centuries. O'Reilly makes coin on the fact that even specialized knowledge is transferable in print. Or just google it. No need for in person meetings.

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    5. Re:Some good points. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Forms of online group communications have been available since at least the 80s. This includes "newsgroups" and real time chat. The real problem is that many people choose not to use them and you pretty much have to chase them down physically.

      Trustworthiness is really the only issue here. The rest flow from that.

      In some companies, even if you are physically in the office you are co-located with NO ONE on your team.

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    6. Re: Some good points. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Most blind people weren't blind at birth. You wouldn't have to describe colors for them. As for those who never saw the color blue, it's the same as those who were not blind at birth - it's totally useless information. It would be like telling a blind person to only cross the street when the light is green. Even their guide dong can't tell the color of the traffic lights. The blind person uses their ears to determine the traffic flow, and when it's safe to cross. The color of the lights, or the existence or non-existence of a stop sign, means nothing.

      Also those who are born blind, their visual cortex changes function so that it can be used to build up a map of the surroundings from sounds, echos, tactile sensations, even the angle of the foot on the street (the street has a crown in the center to help drainage, and you can tell when you're half-way across when your ankle changes angle. You know how many paces it took to get to the center, it'll probably take an equal number to get to the other sidewalk). If they suddenly became sighted, they would not be capable of understanding what they are seeing. Their brain has no knowledge of colors, and has changed function.

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  3. Managers like to stalk by pepsikid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Managers like to sneak up on their employees, and look over their shoulders. They like to be an ever-present looming threat keeping the prole's heads down and working hard. It's a constant trickle of pleasure in their bloodstreams. Productivity and mental health numbers don't matter to them.

    1. Re:Managers like to stalk by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apparently, losing good people doesn't bother anyone, because they keep doing it and I have yet to see anyone ever admit that they're doing something wrong and need to change.

      Because Agile methodologies tell them as long as they stand around 30 min every morning, they're making the best progress they can and their projects will finish on time. Oh, and every task can be done by anyone on the team. Replaceable cogs.

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    2. Re:Managers like to stalk by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Managers like to sneak up on their employees

      No. Bad managers like to stalk. Good managers don't give a shit about looking over your shoulder. That isn't an argument for or against telecommuting. My manager works in a different country to me, but that doesn't mean I'm telecommuting. I am still very much at one of our offices and for a good reason; I am far more useful when I overhear and am in the middle of what's going on.

      Picking up a phone requires effort, overhearing a conversation or discussing a problem over coffee does not.

    3. Re:Managers like to stalk by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

      Managers like to sneak up on their employees, and look over their shoulders. They like to be an ever-present looming threat keeping the prole's heads down and working hard. It's a constant trickle of pleasure in their bloodstreams. Productivity and mental health numbers don't matter to them.

      Not all managers. In 22 years doing this in software (and 28 when I include other fields), I can say for certain that this is not the general case. If a) you have a good manager, and b) you have given them reason to trust you, they don't do that.

      However, if a) you do not have a good manager, or b) you have given them reason to mistrust you, then yeah, they'll sneak upon you.

      This is not specific of software. It happens everywhere. Life is what you make of it.

    4. Re: Managers like to stalk by TroII · · Score: 2

      If they drive top talent away then good as productivity goes up by an H1B1 because they are cheaper anyway etc.

      It's never productive to have flu in the office, anyone with H1B1 should be telecommuting.

    5. Re:Managers like to stalk by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The *fucking gall* to go around calling people *resource*. Fucking retards.

      Kinder than me, I usually say we're all prostitutes either from the neck down or the neck up. Work is basically pimping out your brain for cash.

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  4. I get it. by cshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who's spent the last two years working on nothing but remote projects, I completely understand it. Doesn't always have anything to do with the worker, either. It's been my experience that it's something that doesn't experiment well.

    What I mean by that, is that you can't easily mix the office model and the work from home model easily. You're usually doing all one, or all the other.

    If you don't, and you haphazardly experiment with it, without knowing how to do this, your office people will screw everything up, or hire the wrong people.
    Sometimes, they'll intentionally mismanage projects, because the notion of remote workers is seen as a threat. I've seen it. They also have this nasty habit of wanting all of the productivity gains of remote workers, while insisting they work with constraints that don't make sense for remote contractors or employees.

    It's not for everyone, at least not yet. The whole idea is a pretty radical change from the established order. Better tools need to be built. Better protocols need to be in place more consistently. Better practices need to be thought up and deployed, because the state of it now is objectively bad at the corporate level.

    And if companies know their weaknesses here, I say good. Good. It means fewer shit remote jobs.

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  5. Telecommuting vs outsourcing by moosehooey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't some of these same reasons apply to hiring developers in India or wherever? Yet that gets done all the time.

    1. Re:Telecommuting vs outsourcing by geekmux · · Score: 2

      much cheaper price though. I am sure they wouldn't mind your telecommuting if you worked for peanuts.

      If that is the case, then throw every other bullshit excuse for not supporting telecommuting out the door.

    2. Re:Telecommuting vs outsourcing by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      There are enough people in India without indoor flush toilets that they could make a line from here to the moon. No thanks.

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  6. Who "hires" telecommuters? by econnor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    apart from people who don't have a business that is developed enough to make it worth shelling out for office on-costs?

    Telecommuting is a perk for trusted in-house rockstars who aren't quite board material. The value those rockstars deliver is nearly always organisation specific. It isn't tranferable. Don't believe the hype. Unless you is a global rockstar or sumfink.

  7. How is this news? by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The real reason? Simple: people are lazy as shit. If you give them a chance to slack off, they will. And that's far more likely at home than at work where a pointy-haired boss can tell you something else that needs doing.

    All the rest is just hand-wavy bullshit. And it's right. I personally think "working from home" is *never* as efficient as a dedicated, isolated workspace. If you do it, it should be a level of trust you EARN from a company, certainly not start with. Plus, I think if you work from home you should get paid less, because working from home is so desirable and convenient.

    And I personally have the full choice of working from home, or at my office; I've worked for the firm for 23 years, they couldn't care less. But generally, I work from the office.

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    1. Re:How is this news? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry. That's shit, too.

      People who are well-motivated and self-driven can work without someone continuously breathing over their shoulder.

      People who are slackers can slack off just as well in the middle of a crowded office. Dilbert's fellow-employee Wally is alive and well and I've had the questionable honor of working in offices with many of his clones over the years.

      People who have to be forcibly driven to work are going to resent it and the results are going to show in the quality of their work. Although, what am I saying - qualify took back seat to cheap and fast years ago.

      Personally, my home office is organized and equipped a lot better than most employer-supplied workspaces I've been given. I can have a comfortable chair because it doesn't have to conform to HR's ranking of who gets what kind of chair based on whether one is a manager or not (even to the point of whether it should be floral or plaid). I don't spend my time looking for items to set fire to because the office thermostat isn't set to arctic levels in the misguided idea that the colder it is the more "productive" i am. I don't arrive at work in a bad mood because of the commute or connive to quit early in order to avoid the rush and I can even adapt my working schedule to be more friendly to natural body rhythms by taking a break in the middle of the afternoon and returning to work in the evening since I don't have a long commute in and out of work.

      I don't even talk to headhunters who expect me to work exclusively on-premises anymore.

    2. Re:How is this news? by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 2

      Perhaps people who are "lazy as shit" are the ones who say people are lazy as shit. I'm not lazy as shit, and have been very happily working remotely for most of my adult life with ZERO complaints about productivity. Some people are lazy, sure, but their results are pretty easy to uncover. It's not a blanket statement however, but it does work better for some than others.

    3. Re:How is this news? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      Sorry. That's shit, too.

      People who are well-motivated and self-driven can work without someone continuously breathing over their shoulder.

      People who are slackers can slack off just as well in the middle of a crowded office. Dilbert's fellow-employee Wally is alive and well and I've had the questionable honor of working in offices with many of his clones over the years.

      In my first real job, there was this one guy who would go into the restroom every morning with at least 2 newspapers.

    4. Re:How is this news? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I can have a comfortable chair because it doesn't have to conform to HR's ranking of who gets what kind of chair based on whether one is a manager or not (even to the point of whether it should be floral or plaid).

      Holy shit is that a thing? What kind of a dead beat employer does that? I have the same chair as the top manager at my company and I think also the same one as the cleaner does in their break room.

    5. Re:How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet, there's a manager at my job who watches fucking youtube videos all day long, in an open office environment; and another guy who manages his fantasy sports team in the office.

      So much for the idea that being physically present encourages productivity. Lazy slackers will find a way to slack regardless of where they are. If your employees can't get things done from home, maybe you need better employees.

    6. Re: How is this news? by awrc · · Score: 2

      Even in small companies, where the number of employees are small, some employees are more equal than others. More on that later, but just to share my telecommuting experiences.

      I've worked in a telecommuting position twice. The first time was 100% telecommuting, with the distance between me and the office being about 1300 miles, from 2005-2008. The hiring situation was unusual - they came to me, I'd worked for them in-office for three years in the late 90s, they knew what I could do, etc. It started out well, although they had me doing semi-relevant work until the contract they'd hired me to work on came in. Despite the company setup being quite able to do proper teleconferencing (I'd done a study on the practicality of it in 1998 as one of my last tasks in my previous time) communication was e-mail and conference calls only, despite my agitating to try to get proper video teleconferencing going (being able to see people, expressions, gestures, read body language is a must for effective VTC). It worked until the contract didn't come in, and I got shunted onto other work, increasingly with people who'd been hired after the first time I'd left, and with some health issues on my part and work in the area I specialized in becoming scarce in the company, it was only a matter of time before they laid me off (I wasn't cheap, they could hire a couple of kids straight out of college to do straightforward coding for the same), although I'd have preferred it if they'd just cut me when things started going south, without spending six months criticizing me for not being as good at something I'd never been hired to do in the first place, then laying me off on the second day of my Christmas vacation after I'd worked right over the actual holiday to hit a deadline).

      Second experience soured me a lot more. The company was a just-ceased-to-be-a-startup located 90 miles from where I lived, so office visits were fairly regular, I was hired as one of the staff in their new Milwaukee office for a "custom-tailored" position. Spent the first week in the main office in Madison, which was like something out of a Hollywood movie on tech startups - cubicle land, but very relaxed office environment, lots of perks to be in the office, those nice $600 chairs, real "this is a great work environment" stuff. So when, after a couple of months in temporary office space, we finally got into our new office in Milwaukee's trendiest tech neighborhood (which isn't very trendy compared to almost anywhere else's tech neighborhood) and which was a brand-new facility in old warehouse space, we were a little underwhelmed to discover the four of us who were starting out the new remote office were to be the company's guinea pigs in an open office environment. Less pleased still when we discovered the "desks" we'd got were actually cheap dinner tables from a local store, chosen more for their rough-hewn appearance matching the designer's vision of the place, and less pleased still when the temporary "loaner" chairs for the main office were replaced by those special "conference room chairs" intended to ensure you're uncomfortable, and available from the local Staples for $79 each.

      We had the gear to do proper VTC, but it was never used, considered too much effort, even though they were "going Agile" (I think it's a requirement if you want to be a Hip Social Media Company) and having the daily 30 minute meetings. That became less of a deal for me when it became clear that at 44 I was considered some sort of relic by the Fresh Young Rock Stars, and the work my job had been built around was either outsourced to new "company partners" or ignored because proposed solutions didn't match the existing skill sets of the FYRS, who seemed to live in mortal terror of learning anything new, or the idea that maybe my antiquity meant I'd learned a thing or two. Throw in the promised weekly visit by the manager never happening, and we became increasingly isolated, generally treated as "out of sight, out of mind" and very clearly second class citizens.

    7. Re:How is this news? by swb · · Score: 2

      I can have a comfortable chair because it doesn't have to conform to HR's ranking of who gets what kind of chair based on whether one is a manager or not (even to the point of whether it should be floral or plaid).

      I think this taps into the subtle psychology that often opposes remote work.

      I think part of the psychological value of being a "manager" is elevated status and power over people. That status is reinforced by the physical space controlled by a manager, the public display of differentiation in status (bigger office, better furniture) and social display of authority and the fealty received by inferiors.

      What would "being a manager" be like if you were in charge of a team of workers who were all remote? It would be a lot of paper work and report generation and none of the status and power benefits.

      My wife managed a national sales team (maybe 10 employees) who, 9 of whom, by nature of their positions, were remote. She traveled constantly to meet with them. I had a conversation with her about why she had to meet with them personally so often, and while some of this travel was tied to customer relationships (ie, meet with customer and sales person) a lot of it just seemed to have a physical manager presence occasionally.

      My sense was that maybe a good 1/3 of her trips weren't really necessary but that they happened simply because of an expectation of having a first person management experience. And I think there was an institutional philosophy as well, as on an annual basis the excess trips had to amount to thousands of dollars in expenses.

  8. In my experience most companies avoid this because by Assmasher · · Score: 2

    ...they don't know how to manage remote employees. I find this difficult myself, but primarily because I ad hoc manage a few people who are remote - I think if you manage the entire team in a remote fashion, it can be a win.

    With a management process built to support this type of team - remote teams actually coordinate and communicate better than physically co-located teams.

    We currently have a single remote team (many other teams in-house) at our company - and they're fantastic. That's primarily down to the fact that the guy running the team (also remote) has a great and transparent system for communication that works well.

    Now, there are many reasons why it wouldn't work for a given company - but I can definitely state that it can work, and work REALLY well - given the right circumstances.

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  9. The real reason by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Companies pay people for being at their desk 8 yours a day (and yes, HP payed me for doing nothing for over a week). If companies actually payed people based on the results they produced rather than being warm bodies at a desk, then they wouldn't have any problem with where they were when they produced those results. The "need to be in the same room" is bullshit, because I've been forced to work with coworkers on the other coast and even overseas while sitting at my desk -- I even have a direct manager in another state. Granted, the real reason they don't like you working at home is they can't directly monitor the hours you work.

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    1. Re:The real reason by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This.

      It's partly management's inability to measure output vs resources expended. All they know how to do is count butts occupying seats. And then there's management styles. When the meetings are run by Type A personalities, they need people present to dominate. Move the communication away from face to face and to text and it becomes more difficult for the Type As to 'win' in staff meetings.

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  10. Remote as an emergency fall-back by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One advantage of planning for remote work is that it makes it easier to get people on-line and working in an emergency. If production goes down unexpectedly on a weekend, if the company's already set up for remote work they can make phone calls and get engineers on-line and working on the problem in a matter of 5-15 minutes. If the company isn't, engineers are going to have to get dressed and get in to the office before they can even start looking at the problem and that can take a half-hour to an hour (or more depending on how far away the engineer lives). It also makes it easier for employees to turn what would've been a day taken off to deal with appointments into a half-day or less of time away from the keyboard, which helps get more work done. I've always felt that those benefits more than outweigh the costs of setting the company up for remote work, and that having people working remotely on a regular basis makes sure all that infrastructure's working properly and gives confidence that it'll be there and working when things go pear-shaped and you really need to get people on the problem quickly. To me that justifies telling the HR people and the managers "The company needs this. If you don't know how to run things this way, go start learning.".

  11. Re:Synergy! Connectivization! Linkativity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Communication works better in person
    By far, the most prevalent attitude is that rapport and camaraderie are generated best from in-person relationships.

    Unfortunately, this is true. it's why companies spend millions of dollars a year on travel expenses when it would be much cheaper to use phone/video conferencing.

    Creativity happens in the hallway

    Questionable. Especially when the only examples they can come up with is Yahoo and Best Buy. Seriously? Yahoo and Best Buy? WTF?

  12. In the hallways? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
    I have worked in several companies where you were told to "get on with your work" if you were found talking to colleagues. It was completely unacceptable to find out what you are supposed to be doing, or explain the wretched comms protocol to the people trying to implement it. This might be a difference between the UK and the USA, I don't know.

    Just write the damned code there is no requirement for it to actually work seems to cross all cultures.

    Yes, productivity is higher if you don't keep being interrupted, but if you are off site, emails texts and even voice calls can always be used to destroy productivity if there is any risk of it actually happening.

    But its hard to operate CNC machines from home, and group hugs are also a problem for telecommuters.

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  13. Not every day by niff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Working at home every day is not efficient if you're into software development for example.
    In one whiteboard session with some coworkers you get more done than by e-mail for two weeks.

    But there are tasks that require absolute concentration if you want to get the best results, like designing and implementing a complex algorithm, or fixing a complex bug.

    My days in the office are mostly filled with meetings, Skype calls with the offshore team, writing e-mails, etc. I work at home one day per week, and that's the day that I usually get most programming work done. It allows me to focus for a couple of hours without being disturbed.

    The only real alternative to working at home is working really late. Arrive at 11:00 and leave at 20:00. Most coworkers are probably gone around 18:00, which leaves you with two hours to get some real shit done.

  14. Tere is only 1 reason - and it's bogus. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Managers don't know enough about the ins and outs of the job, so they substitute butts warming seats instead of proper performance metrics.

    Other reasons, such as mentoring, are fullof sh*t. There's no reason a group of coders, documentation writers, even accountants, can't rotate meeting at each other's homes in small groups of 2 to 6 people, especially if they all live in the same area. This also takes care of the "communications work better in person", because sometimes having a frank discussion to find out what is bothering a co-worker isn't ever going to happen under the watchful eyes of everyone else.

    As for the "creativity happens in the hallway", first, consider the source. Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer banned telecommuting, and Yahoo fell into the shitter - over and over and over. There is no reason for ANYONE to be stupid enough to write an article on October 4th, 2016 (the date of the article) with advice from Marissa Mayer, unless it's "How to ruin a business, screw over employees and shareholders, and collect a golden parachute". Seriouisly. WTF was Esther Schindler thinking? Or EditorDavid, for that matter?

    "Managing remote workers is harder" - sure, if you don't understand what they're doing, don't trust them, don't have a way to measure performance, and want to justify your job as a manager by being seen managing those chair-warming butts. Don't use the manager's incompetence as an excuse. It indicates that whoever hired the manager should also be fired.

    "It's more complicated." Aw, gee whiz. If you're going to use that excuse, put a gun in your mouth and eat a bullet. LIFE is complicated. Other companies can do it, managing nurses visiting patients in their homes, truck drivers on deliveries, any company that dispatches workers to the job. Anyone making the excuse that it is complicated should be ashamed of themselves,

    As for "we've always done it this way", we could have used the same excuse to keep the old outhouse around. Both are equally full of shit.

    Crap article by someone who is stuck in the past.

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  15. Re:Synergy! Connectivization! Linkativity! by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think of the office sports pool!

    FTFY.

    A lot of the push to get people into the office is made by those for whom the office is their social life as well. The repeated interruptions aren't always about work.

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  16. A way to make companies want to support it. by geekmux · · Score: 2

    Every one of us living in a major metropolitan area deals with the stress and bullshit surrounding just getting to your workplace from home. Not only does commuting suck hours of productivity away from your employer (2 hours a day equates to 40 hours lost every month per FT employee), it also contributes to excess reliability and consumption of fuel within the economy, along with helping destroy the environment, primarily that air you're breathing every day living in the same area.

    Why not speak to what matters with companies, and provide considerable federal and/or state level tax breaks for every position that a company converts to 100% telecommuting.

    Beyond the environment and opening up productivity windows, this might be a model that enables companies to perhaps want to support a change that can easily be supported by technology today. Needless to say, I'm not buying the anti-communication reasons brought up in TFA. If we can rely on technology today to bond families over thousands of miles, I'm pretty sure we can build a simple professional relationship with a co-worker or boss.

    TL; DR - Federal/State level tax breaks for each corporate position converted to telecommuting, because technology can support it.

  17. Re:Synergy! Connectivization! Linkativity! by Esther+Schindler · · Score: 2

    That's _their_ viewpoints. I certainly don't mean to suggest that I agree with them. But it's the perception, and you don't change someone's mind simply by saying, "You're wrong."

  18. My company is pro-telecommuting by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My company is pro-telecommuting. In fact, there is not a single member of staff that doesn't spend most of the week telecommuting.

    The way we ensure people are around and active though is that we track activities and work through an online kanban system tied into tickets (code commited to repositories is reported on tickets automatically, wiki documentation is tied in automatically too, office documents are also tied to tickets automatically using our storage system). Additionally, when employees are working, we sit in a push-to-talk enforced voice chat system, where we can easilly collaborate (unlike Slack, Hipchat and Skype for business, that either don't care about voice chat, or think that push-to-talk isn't necessary).

    A lot of tools that are being sold that are effective as telecommuting tools are pretty terrible and instead we've found many tools focused on online collaboration for consumers and gamers tend to be much better, which is absurd. I don't see most larger companies (I have worked in and with a few) ever considering adopting the better technologies because they're not "enterprisy", even though the vast majority can be tied into an AD at least (but maybe not single sign in).

    Because we are focused on telecommuting, even if we're in a office, we are logged into voice chat with headsets (which are typically gamer headsets because they're more comfortable for long hours). I just cannot see the corporate world adopting this, for people that join my company, it's a culture shock that some find difficult to adjust to at first and within the first week, they really struggle to understand how we consider it essential (and not just an occasional thing) to be on the headset when you're working or move to the AFK channel if you're not.

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    1. Re:My company is pro-telecommuting by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

      I talk a lot when I game and I'm familiar with all the different voice chat software (except Discord)

      Discord is what we actually use, because you can paste clipboard data (particularly pictures) easily and have historical views everyone can see and shared text chats with seperate voice channels. Mumble was never really an option because it loses chat history (unlike Teamspeak, however Teamspeak won't synchronise chat buffers with everyone, so you won't see historical things that happened if you weren't there).

      How the hell do you concentrate on your work when a couple other people are literally yammering on in your ears? Do you just not talk that much? Do you have separate channels with only two or three other people in them? Do people just not work at all when there's a necessary conversation happening?

      If it's off topic to my work and disturbing me, I move to another "virtual office" voice channel (typically those that are working on the same project at that point in time will be in the same "virtual office" voice channel together).

      I suspect another part of it, is our work culture is based on the idea of flexibility, so when we're working, we're working hard, when we don't have anything that needs to be done, we can leave early (but contactable by mobile if there is anything) etc. So, this leads mostly to a culture of people that are usually focused on getting the job done well and focused during working hours, because we're not forced to work all "working hours" if there isn't a need to. However, it also means that there are rare times when you are expected to work extra long hours (and nobody seems to complain/have issue when it happens, but that might be because we're mostly veterans of large consultancies that liked to make people do 100 hour work weeks regularly) during crunch time (but that happens really rarely). I suspect that, that alone makes people less chatty and more work focused maybe?

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  19. Remote work by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who works for a large multi-national, trying to hold someone accountable that works for home is a pain in the rear. If they work in a remote office, I can ask someone to walk past their office and ask them to call or email. There are a lot of people who are good remote workers. However, almost none of them seem to work as developers and system admins. The couple of dozen or so that I have worked with while they have worked from home have been absolute pain in the neck, since they are passive aggressive little twerps.

    If you want to work from home. Prove you can work in the office, that your skillset is significantly better than others who could do you job and are willing to show up, and give a cost/benefit that matters to your management, not to you

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  20. Re:Synergy! Connectivization! Linkativity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All of the reasons listed in the article are pure bullshit. The real reason companies don't want employees to telecommute is because they don't trust them. If an employer doesn't trust you, you shouldn't be working for scumbags like that.

    In reality the ONLY thing an employer should be concerned with are deadlines. If a project has been assigned to you and you deliver by the deadline, then there should be no issue. That's how most of my past employers have thought, fortunately. Nowadays, I'm the employer.

  21. Re:Synergy! Connectivization! Linkativity! by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In reality the ONLY thing an employer should be concerned with are deadlines.

    And quality. Any employer that isn't concerned about that really isn't working for.

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  22. Re:Translated to American English? by swalve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Working late is a sign of someone who doesn't have their shit together. I like someone who gets their shit done on time, but I prefer someone who does it during business hours. The people who send emails in the middle of the night are usually the ones who work on adrenalin and stress. I want the guy who does his time and then goes out and lives his life. not a "rockstar" who shows off by working all hours. Show up on time, do your work, and then get the fuck out of there.

  23. My company is about 85% remote by gatkinso · · Score: 2

    I live 15 minutes away and rarely come in.

    It works well for us simply because we hire people who respect this freedom: we have core hours in which you are expected to respond to email, slack, phone calls. Missing meetings is not an option - you will attend over GTM. People are pretty professional. No gossiping or stuff like that.

    We realistically scope our work - an Agile shop, our two week sprints are rarely ever slipped, our stories are are rarely ever 5 points (Fibonacci). We usually make the goals that management and engineering agree to. While of course they ALWAYS want more, they have tasted the sweetness of perfectly predictable product release dates... and they like it.

    We also fire. Quickly. Not only is it a reminder to all that slackerdom is not tolerated... just one lazy apple can bring the whole thing down. So we end up working *very* solid 8 hour days. Rarely have to work overtime. It usually ends up feeling like a low grade constant crunch time, but is not so bad.

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