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UK's Chief Troll Hunter Targets Doxxing, Virtual Mobbing, and Nasty Images (arstechnica.co.uk)

Some bad news for trollers on the internet who use sophisticated techniques to hurl abuses at others. The UK's top prosecutor has warned that they are introducing new regulations to take these matters carefully and punish offenders with jail time. From an ArsTechnica report:New guidelines have been released by the Crown Prosecution Service to help cops in England and Wales determine whether charges -- under part 2, section 44 of the 2007 Serious Crime Act -- should be brought against people who use social media to encourage others to harass folk online. Over the past four years the CPS has repeatedly tweaked its guidelines on offensive behaviour on social media sites. The latest overhaul, among other things, addresses doxxing, where a person's personal information such as bank details or home address are published online; violence against women and girls such as "baiting" -- which labels someone as sexually promiscuous and can include the use of humiliating photoshopped images; and online harassment campaigns that encourage the use of derogatory hashtags. "Social media can be used to educate, entertain, and enlighten but there are also people who use it to bully, intimidate, and harass," said director of public prosecutions Alison Saunders. "Ignorance is not a defence and perceived anonymity is not an escape. Those who commit these acts, or encourage others to do the same, can and will be prosecuted."

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  1. Will they extradite Donald Trump? by naughtynaughty · · Score: 0

    Just wondering

    1. Re:Will they extradite Donald Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, he and Hillary will be leaving together.

  2. Some people just have nothing better to do... by Chas · · Score: 0

    And this guy's living proof...

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    1. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      violence against women and girls such as "baiting" -- which labels someone as sexually promiscuous and can include the use of humiliating photoshopped images;

      Wow, so now the definition of "violence" includes mean tweets? Having been through actual violence, from beatings to robbery, I'll take mean tweets any day.

      "Violence" is not a thing that can happen through the internet. Oh, sure, you can incite it, but that's already a crime, no special "on a computer" law needed. I can see the point in making "doxxing" explicitly a kind of harassment, but really, don't these people have any real crime to chase? You know, the kind that leaves people with actual injury?

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    2. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but really, don't these people have any real crime to chase?

      England's not nearly as violent as the US.

      Also, the brain's just another organ, and just because you don't have to use a fist to damage it, that doesn't mean you can't damage it.

      I've been bullied physically and verbally, and I'll take a physical beating any day - they're few and far between, and usually the bullies will limit their punches and fight alone. Verbal attacks are sustained and alienating.

      Anyway, your attitude exonerates the Hitlers of the world because all they did was incite others to act like cunts.

    3. Re: Some people just have nothing better to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mind and spirit can be injured.

      That is, they can suffer actual injury. Even Donald Trump admitted it. In the worst way I could imagine, but he did.

      And no, I don't mean direct physical injury, if I meant that, I'd say brain.

    4. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's a shitty summary that does not accurately describe the law. Obviously, baiting is not violence. However, photoshopping someone into porn and distributing it on social media as part of a campaign of harassment is illegal in the UK. For men as well as women.

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    5. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They find it more profitable to invent newer, broader crimes.

      Weather or not these crimes are actually crimes is secondary to the purpose of these broader crimes:

      1) Profit
      2) control

      It's about fucking with you. About always having something over everyone else.

    6. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You people are so overreacting to this. All he's saying is that anyone who harasses SJW's by openly disagreeing with them or challenging them in any way will face jail time for it. Perfectly reasonable stuff.

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    7. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so simple really:

      "WHITE MEN ARE EVIL! BURN ALL THEM MOTHERFUCKERS DOWN!" = free speech

      "I think that an open immigration policy is a huge mistake that puts us at serious risk from radical Islamists who would exploit it" = hate speech

      See, that wasn't so hard to understand, was it?

    8. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by Falos · · Score: 1

      >labels someone as sexually promiscuous
      >violence against women and girls

      Uh, isn't spreading slut rumors a pretty common girl-on-girl "violence"? They've been doing it without the intertubes for a few years now. Decades. Centuries.

      Whatever, have fun chasing down every bugger that spawns goaste bots.

    9. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The really crazy thing about all this, the underlying reality, the more it happens, the less impact it has, it becomes the norm and becomes mostly ignored. Of course inflating the impact, making it seem more and more severe, actually hugely increases the perception of harm and resultant psychological harm.

      So the real truth of what they are doing because they know they will be making it worse, screw the majority, this is all about a tiny minority being able to censor the entire internet from any negative mention of them. The focus of this plutocrat exercise, straight up political and corporate censorship.

      They can not exercise the old premium based exclusion from access to the public mind space (if you could not pay for idiot box or print or radio advertisements your message did not exist), so they are going with the corruption of the legal system and court based premium ie you can say anything you want as long as you can afford long drawn out legal fights in court but if you can not, then you will be destroyed by those courts with spurious charges, censorship under threat.

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    10. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by Chas · · Score: 1

      It's so simple really:

      "WHITE MEN ARE EVIL! BURN ALL THEM MOTHERFUCKERS DOWN!" = free speech

      Actually, yes it is.

      Now, is it a PROTECTED form of free speech?

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    11. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

      It's my right to call things like I see them, just as it is yours. If I want to call a woman a slut, or a man a queer (both descriptive terms that're seen as pejorative) it's their right to call me a chauvinist or a breeder. The answer to "bad" speech isn't censorship. It's more "good" speech. Anyone who can't withstand mere words has no business going outside their doors. I suppose it's hate speech to say that, too.

    12. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

      Bingo! You nailed it in one paragraph

    13. Re:Some people just have nothing better to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rights are defined locally. You may consider a right "god-given" (see gun owners), but countries and legal traditions define and allocate rights differently. Further, in US Constitution, a "right" is just a limitation on Congress.

  3. Selective enforcement by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gotta punish that wrongthink. How much you want to bet they'll vigorously prosecute those who say mean things about immigrants or women, but gosh just never find the time to investigate someone who bashes white people or men...

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    1. Re:Selective enforcement by meta-monkey · · Score: 0, Troll

      In the early days of slavery in the American colonies the plantation owners treated white indentured servants and black slaves equally horribly. Realizing they had more in common and little to lose, the poor whites and blacks would work together to escape. So the plantation owners started treating whites a little bit better than blacks and punishing whites who helped blacks. This kept the poor whites and poor blacks at odds instead of uniting against the rich whites.

      It's the same thing today, just now the protected classes are the immigrants and women instead of whites and men. At some time in the future I'm sure it'll flip to something else, whatever is necessary to keep the peasants fighting among themselves.

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    2. Re:Selective enforcement by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/...

      "Another girl, going under the pseudonym Lizzie, said: "I know a few girls who have come forward recently and been told they are being racist and I know a lot that won't come forward and to be fair I can't blame them."

      This is what is still going on in Rotherham. Government can't or won't fix the atrocious situations occurring because of the utter failure of multiculturalism (it's success is mandated by the holiest laws in existence today, Human Rights, thus for them there can be no alternative). The only way for government to maintain the status quo is to prevent the native population from organizing. This is what this law is all about.

    3. Re:Selective enforcement by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's with all the alt-right troll headlines on Slashdot lately?

      I submitted the same story without the trolling. It's not nearly as bad as this makes it. The threshold is very high. Grossly offensive has a specific meaning in British law. If you want to discuss the facts of the issue feel free, but I'm pretty sure you aren't familiar with them.

      I'm not really happy about it either, by the way, because the CPS is incompetent, but that's not what the summary or you address.

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    4. Re:Selective enforcement by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain to me the difference between the right and the alt-right?

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    5. Re:Selective enforcement by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      At some point the British are not longer going to take it, and there will be a breaking point. What happens thereafter is anyone's guess.

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    6. Re:Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should we need to understand history? Why should one group of people be treated poorly in the present because of what people who looked like them in the past did?

      If the problem is privilege, why do we not simply help ALL presently disadvantaged people equally, no matter what? Why are we trying to "fix" history by making the present less fair to everyone, ignoring the bad effects that has? Why not try to make the present day fair for everybody so that we don't constantly create new wrongs to new people because of our unfair past?

      In other words, why do we double down to try and make an unfair present because of our unfair past, rather than breaking away from it?

      I have a dream, that someday we will try to get rid of the unfairness once and for all instead of just redirecting it at another target.

    7. Re:Selective enforcement by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      What're they gonna do, storm Parliament with their spoons?

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    8. Re:Selective enforcement by SirSlud · · Score: 0
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    9. Re:Selective enforcement by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Right = They will generally still call multiculturalism a failure, but they will not allow any measures to be taken to fix it. There must be total freedom of religion for instance and no discrimination against immigrants based on it.

      Alt-right = fuck Islam.

    10. Re:Selective enforcement by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      That said nothing about the "alt-right." Is the "alt-right" just anything on the right that isn't the neocon GOP establishment? Given the origins of neoconservatism is ex-trotskyites, doesn't that just make the alt-right the actual right?

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    11. Re:Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something the DNC came up with this election cycle in order to piss all over conservativism without alienating republican voters that might switch to avoid trump.

    12. Re:Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "alt-right" is like the 4chan version of the right wing. I.e. fewer chemtrails nutters, anti-vaxxers, etc. traditional right-wingers, and more bitcoiners.

      Both have a rather large overlap with the so-called idiot right. Regardless, each is being repeatedly targeted by the corresponding idiot left -- which is like, those poeple who didn't get the memo that in a civilized society (with human rights and whatnot), it's not an acceptable endgame that involves sending their political opposition into gulags and what-not.

    13. Re:Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The alt-rights are a number of conservative groups who don't see eye to eye with the mainstream/establishment conservatives.

    14. Re:Selective enforcement by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      It always cracks me up how leftists who scream like little girls when someone dares label them with "SJW" are the first to label any post they disagree with as "alt-right."

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    15. Re:Selective enforcement by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone called me an SJW today, but I don't read all the -1 comments so...

      The alt-right is an actual thing though, a real political movement that people voluntarily identify with. They like to separate themselves from normal conservatives, or "cuckservatives" as they often say, who they don't regard as hardcore enough.

      It's not an insult, it's just the name of the their political movement, they one they themselves use. Head over to Breitbart, it's used as a badge of honour.

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    16. Re:Selective enforcement by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      That doesn't really fit with AniMoJo's comment, though. Nobody on the right, alt or not, likes government censorship of politically incorrect opinions. The thought police are a left-wing thing. So I don't see the point of calling objections to this "alt-right," as it seems like an "all right" objection.

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    17. Re:Selective enforcement by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      The alt-right is an actual thing though

      So are SJW's. And they too have separated themselves from traditional liberals, adopting a much more radical agenda. Just ask Bernie Sanders, an old-school liberal who ran head-long into the SJW movement during his campaign.

      The sad thing is that Sanders would have made for a much better President than either of the two ass-clowns who got the nominations. But these days only the most shrill voices dominate. And as a straight white male who wasn't able to tout his victimhood and label all his opponents as sexists/racists/homphobes, he never stood a chance on the new SJW left.

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    18. Re: Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a lot of media attention paid to "knife crime" in the UK, because guns are largely banned.

    19. Re:Selective enforcement by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      SJW is an insult applied to people, the alt-right is something people happy identify with and consider to be their representative political movement.

      My point was really that it's not an insult, I'm not insulting people when I identify their allegiance to or politics as alt-right. So you can't really say it's equivalent to calling someone an SJW.

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    20. Re:Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alt-right is when you press Right arrow while holding Alt

    21. Re:Selective enforcement by Z80a · · Score: 2

      It's a half and half situation.
      While there are a decently sized group of people that entitles themselves alt-right, people been grouping several groups that aren't alt-rights into the same neat package to beat down the whole thing at once.

    22. Re: Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The white indentured servants didn't get treated better, they died from malaria. The black slaves were the ones who survived because they were already used to typical climates and diseases.

    23. Re: Selective enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. SJW is a label that progressives themselves invented. Like all such labels, given the hateful nature of progressive politics and ideology, it has taken on negative connotations, but that's not the fault of people who use it to talk about your ideology.

    24. Re:Selective enforcement by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain to me the difference between the right and the alt-right?

      Anything the Left doesn't like

    25. Re:Selective enforcement by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

      And me with no mod points...

    26. Re:Selective enforcement by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      It's not nearly as bad as this makes it. The threshold is very high.

      I don't give a shit where the threshold is. Any law that has the principle that "offensive hashtags" might, under any circumstances, deserve jail time is an abomination.

  4. it is (mostly) well intentioned.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but more than just a little bit difficult to enforce.

    harassment is already illegal.... so just add some bits to include "...on the internet" and call it a day. the law will be there for when its needed.

    1. Re:it is (mostly) well intentioned.. by mr_mischief · · Score: 2

      Harrassment is illegal, yes. But is popularizing an offensive hashtag a "Serious Crime" as the name of the act suggests it's meant to address?

    2. Re:it is (mostly) well intentioned.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the rather flexible interpretation the word 'harassment' has..

    3. Re:it is (mostly) well intentioned.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also libel. How would character smears such as baiting wouldn't be equivalent to libel? The defendants and damages are just multiplied by the magic of network effect. 500-3000£ a pop from every participant would be alright payday and restitution.

    4. Re:it is (mostly) well intentioned.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The hashtag would have to be part of a harassment campaign for it to matter.

      This reminds me of the story about a court deciding that unfriending someone on Facebook was harassment. Of course they didn't, the Facebook thing was just one small part of a pattern of behaviour both online and offline.

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    5. Re:it is (mostly) well intentioned.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then we have outright liars like yourself who say #GamerGate is a harassment campaign...

    6. Re:it is (mostly) well intentioned.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gamergate broke into my house and deleted my Pokemon save ;.;

  5. Ripe for abuse by mrbester · · Score: 0

    Cue some company lawyer using this to crack down on angry rants from customers of their shitty service...

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    1. Re:Ripe for abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This happened a lot in the UK until recently where even true statements could be used to sue someone.

    2. Re:Ripe for abuse by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Until recently? Did they change the law or something?

  6. i.e. speech I don't like is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a victim, I don't like what this bad man/woman said. I want him/her punished for saying it because it made me feel bad. I should be free to accuse them of being bad, and protected from people saying I am bad. Based on the arbitrary judgement of Alison Saunders.

    Ignorance of Alisons choices is not a defence. Speech is a serious crime.

    1. Re:i.e. speech I don't like is bad by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What happens if the Internet troll is threatening to rape or kill you?

      Believe it or not, it has never been acceptable to threaten bodily harm against people, and "on a computer" is not a defense.

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    2. Re: i.e. speech I don't like is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already laws against that

    3. Re:i.e. speech I don't like is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens if the Internet troll is threatening to rape or kill you?

      You block them. Believe it or not, some pseudo-anonymous asshole on the Internet isn't a legitimate threat to your well-being.

      Believe it or not, it has never been acceptable to threaten bodily harm against people, and "on a computer" is not a defense.

      Think of the Children 2.0: Electric Boogaloo right there. The source article cites the following legal text:

      Improper use of public electronic communications network

      (1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—
      (a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
      (b)causes any such message or matter to be so sent.
      (2)A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—
      (a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,
      (b)causes such a message to be sent; or
      (c)persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.
      (3)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.
      (4)Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to anything done in the course of providing a programme service (within the meaning of the Broadcasting Act 1990 (c. 42)).

  7. Get in the basket by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    I predict the Anonymous Cowards aren't going to like this one bit, no sir. Not one bit.

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    1. Re:Get in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an Anonymous Coward, I think you overestimate the posting quality of the average named user. I think people on the internet aren't going to like this.

    2. Re:Get in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't say. I'm absolutely amazed at your ability to predict something that is inevitable under pretty much any remotely political article. Oh, look at me standing between you and this well you wanted poisoned, let me get out of your way.

    3. Re:Get in the basket by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      This well comes pre-poisoned, my friend.

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    4. Re:Get in the basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Why would you use an intentional fallacy and underhanded rhetorical tactic to harass a large group of people on a story against harassing people?

      Why do something so brazenly sociopathic when clearly you yourself are not?

    5. Re:Get in the basket by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Why?

      That's what a lot of Republicans are asking themselves this morning.

      Why do something so brazenly sociopathic when clearly you yourself are not?

      Don't misunderestimate me.

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  8. Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Game on.

    -Skankhunt42

  9. Hooray for Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this is what it takes to get more people taking their online anonymity seriously, I'm all for it.

  10. Alisons lying, that's not legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Part 2, section 44 of the 2007 Serious Crime Act :
    "Intentionally encouraging or assisting an offence (1)A person commits an offence if— (a)he does an act capable of encouraging or assisting the commission of an offence; and (b)he intends to encourage or assist its commission. (2)But he is not to be taken to have intended to encourage or assist the commission of an offence merely because such encouragement or assistance was a foreseeable consequence of his act."

    It's not a crime to label someone with a #UnfitForJobAtCPS hashtag, and thus not a crime to ask people to label someone as such. Trying to silence free speech is clearly a breach of a core freedom.

    If someone says something that upsets you, get a thicker skin.

    1. Re:Alisons lying, that's not legal by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      OK, that's one section of the act. What do the other 43 sections say?

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  11. People misunderstand the term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When these people talk about "trolls," they're not talking about your garden-variety asshole that stirs up trouble for his own amusement. They're talking about the other kind of troll, the one that hides inside the term and uses the harmless ones for cover. These people are a menace. Stalking and harassment are just the appetizers for these psychos -- swatting is more their style. They want to hurt people and the internet exports that misery all over the world.

    1. Re:People misunderstand the term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what?.. bad laws are bad laws.. you don't burn down a forest to kill a tiger

    2. Re:People misunderstand the term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh. Can you bring up child pornography a few times, too? I just don't think swatting is a scary enough bogeyman to push through more surveillance & selective enforcement of thoughtcrimes. We need to amp it up.

  12. Re:To Mr. Saunders, aka Mr. Fucktard... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are some kinds of speech that can be criminalized, or at least made into civil matters. Shout fire in a crowded theater, urge on a violent mob, or, on the civil side, call your neighbor a pedophile because he dog craps on your lawn, and you'll find out awfully fast that freedom of speech is not limitless, and that like any liberty, there are edges.

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  13. That's already criminal behavior by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 2

    Threatening a person with violence is criminal behavior already covered in the penal code.

    1. Re:That's already criminal behavior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Threatening to "do bad things" to someone has been going on since the first 2 people walked up to each other.
      "thinking" or "saying" things is NOT illegal.

      "DOING" the actions are.

      How many of us grew up getting angry with the other kids in the neighborhood and in the heat of the moment yelled, "I'm gonna fucking kill you!"....
      I'm guessing 99.99999% of the population has done this at some point in their life.
      How many of them went through with it? .00001% Which is still too many to be happy about.
      People say shit when they're angry, depressed, happy, etc..
      Emotions are expressed good or bad.
      Making expressing one's feelings illegal only turns every person in the world into a criminal which is really what they're after.

      So go ahead, support stupid, illegal laws like this, go on, I double dog dare you. Then I'll sit back and watch as our prisons fill up with people who got mad at the government and decided to call them a bunch of bloody wankers.

    2. Re:That's already criminal behavior by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      If you can't express your feelings without calling for someone's rape, then you have a serious problem.

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    3. Re:That's already criminal behavior by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Well, yes. But applying that code to online interactions is a challenging interpretation so for consistency it would be useful for some national guidelines to be established.

      Perhaps the people charged with prosecuting criminal acts might be a good source of guidelines, as they have to choose what to prosecute.

      Oh. That's the CPS. Who have published guidelines. Looks like we're good then, yes?

    4. Re:That's already criminal behavior by Cederic · · Score: 1

      What if someone's done something so terrible that even though you legally have no viable recourse (e.g. Tony Blair taking the UK into an illegal war) you want to express your desire for them to come to personal harm?

      I don't want to rape Tony Blair, I don't want anybody else to rape him, but I don't think it should be (or is) illegal for me to point out that he deserves to die in anal agony.

    5. Re:That's already criminal behavior by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I will repeat, if you can't express your feelings without wanting to personal physical harm to someone, then you have a serious emotional problem.

      It's one thing to call for Blair's arrest and trial. It's implausible to imagine it happening, but that's the kind of discourse one should have in a civilized society. Bullies, brutes and morons are the kinds of people who can only express their agitation in the form threats of physical violence.

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      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
  14. Putting 12-year-olds in prison by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    That's where I see this going: They'll hunt down these nasty trolls, only to find they're just '2edgy4u' 12-year-olds who aren't supervised in their internet usage. What do you do then? Can't put them in prison. Do you put their parents in prison? Huge fine? LOL. I think the best you could do is ban their household from the internet for some period of time, and inform the kids school that he's not to be allowed to use the internet except when 100% supervised. This does not even address the problem of trolls outside the jurisdicton of the UK, for which there's basically nothing they could do about it; do they really think Timbuktwoistan's government is going to give a damn about someone posting mean things on the internet? I think this is, once again, a case of politicians and government workers who don't understand the technology of the internet, and how unenforcable things like this really are because of that. What they ought to be doing is working to educate people that they should not be posting personal information on the internet in the first place, so no doxxing can happen.

    1. Re:Putting 12-year-olds in prison by ausekilis · · Score: 2

      Tell that to all credit-related agencies.

      Bought a house? Your name, address, and price paid are on a list for advertisers and lenders to swoop in on.

      Recently looked into buying a car? Your name and address are put on a list for lenders and dealers to send crap to.

      Anything else involving a credit check? Yup. Your name is on a list for credit card companies to send crap to.

      Oddly enough, even if you explicitly opt-out of this advertising, you will still get a ton of garbage. I bought a house earlier this year, opted out of sharing my name to any affiliates and "recent buyers list" (or whatever it's called). I still got mail and phone calls from assorted insurance agencies, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, and banks for 3 solid months.

    2. Re:Putting 12-year-olds in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They'll also find that a lot of these trolls are actually bots or alt accounts used by big twitter names to harass themselves to start a conversation about bullying.

    3. Re:Putting 12-year-olds in prison by matbury · · Score: 1

      Agreed, Rick :) Also, I don't think it's addressing the cause of the problem, i.e. that so much people's personal data is available on the web. We can't do anything online, with credit/debit cards, or with mobile phones without tonnes of data about us being captured and stored online. And as soon as anything's online, it's not secure; we only hear about the massive, impossible to hide data breaches but nothing about the constant leakage through poor security and employees selling their companies' data illegally to 3rd parties, including criminals. We can't opt out of the kinds of surveillance we're under and we have no control over what happens to our personal data. We simply have to stop those organisations from collecting that data and make sure that anyone offering online data storage as a service, e.g. online docs, photos, etc., uses practical and reasonable security measures such as strong end-to-end encryption and the user is responsible for holding their own keys. Somehow, I don't think Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, et al. are going to let that happen - Their business models depend on weak privacy and security.

  15. Business opportunity. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a great time to start an American VPN company. Let's see them try to extradite for enabling free speech.

    Our police state will know everything about everything said using it, but doesn't care. They think the masses should be allowed to vent, knowing it has as much meaning as the squeals of puppies in a box. It's a little surprising the UK doesn't seem to understand how effective the 2 Minute Hate is considering it was invented by a British author. Perhaps they think undirected hate undermines its effectiveness.

    Let us know when the list of allowed hate targets is released in Britain. Then we'll know for certain that they're using 1984 as a manual.

    1. Re:Business opportunity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main allowed target right now is white straight men.

    2. Re:Business opportunity. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      That will be the only way around nations with no free speech or freedom after speech, expensive liable laws and religious speech tests.
      Political parties, gov workers, well funded NGO's, faith groups, cults, lawyers will push for the identification of anyone who talks about political parties party or gov policy.
      The most easy way is just to use a politician, celebrity account with open comments as bait and see who comments, then discover the UK ip's.
      To escape that UK isp discovery use a VPN away from the EU, UK, based in a nation with free speech.
      Some of communist eastern Europe had legal ideas about been liable to the state.
      The UK takes that one safe step back and makes the commenter liable to the politician or to prevent unlawfully digital discussion on faith or policy or petitions.
      Needing to face court with a lawyer and prove digital "freedom of speech" and request freedom after speech is very chilling :)
      Anti discrimination laws been used to protect a faith or cult from public comment.
      Just remember never to use the VPN in the same way as any normal UK isp account was. Never log back into the same sites with new VPN accounts or visit the same old sites later with a VPN. A new VPN and old users login with the same browser, resolution, time of day and many other details would be easy to connect as the same person.
      Also a no log rule does not protect against a local court order to discover a commenter in real time.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  16. Re:To Mr. Saunders, aka Mr. Fucktard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't seen a law yet that explicitly states that it is illegal to yell "fire" in a theater. So you can toss that out.
    Common sense says not to do it, but there are no laws prohibiting it.

    I certainly can call my neighbor anything I want, including pedophile if his dog shits on my yard, that is absolutely protected speech.
    If I try and make a false police report to that effect, that's entirely different. I'd be more likely to call him an underage dog fucker myself, but whatever floats your boat.

  17. I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... couldn`t care less. I`m not under this specific jurisdiction.

    I predict the Anonymous Cowards aren't going to like this one bit, no sir. Not one bit.

  18. Re:To Mr. Saunders, aka Mr. Fucktard... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brandenburg v. Ohio gives the police and prosecutors the power to charge someone if their speech leads to imminent danger. In other words, you incite a riot, you'll be charged.

    And if you call your neighbor a pedophile because his dog shits on your lawn, he'll likely own your law after the civil trial is over. Ever heard of slander?

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  19. Re:To Mr. Saunders, aka Mr. Fucktard... by tsqr · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen a law yet that explicitly states that it is illegal to yell "fire" in a theater. So you can toss that out. Common sense says not to do it, but there are no laws prohibiting it.

    .

    Maybe, maybe not. I don't know all the laws in the US, so I can't say for sure. What I can say for sure is that falsely yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre is not protected speech under the 1st amendment, so if you do that you're likely to be prosecuted for something.

  20. Re:To Mr. Saunders, aka Mr. Fucktard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile shouting racist at peoples you disagree is protected speech, falsely accuse men of rape will not be prosecuted and using violent mob to exclude Whites and/or males from public space is protected under the Safe-space amendment that was passed by congress in the current year.

  21. Please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, when The Hair, aka Groper in Chief, visits the UK, you can do the world a favor by throwing him in jail and throwing away the key???

    please
          Please
                PLEASE???

  22. Great news for Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the accuracy of most police attempts to track down and accurately attribute malicious internet postings, this is an absolute gold mine for trolls.

    I can whip up a fake account/profile tied to someone I don't like, start spewing odious garbage and have the police lock them up, fine them and drag their reputation through the mud - it's hard to think of a better troll.

  23. FU by bigtreeman · · Score: 1

    and a very sophisticated fuck you to you too
    got to watch the unsupervised 60yrlds as well

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    Go well
  24. violence against women and girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This policy is not sexist in the least!

  25. Free speech is NOT a free license to attack people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free speech is NOT a free license to attack people

    Having free speech is great, if you are mature enough and do not attack others out of nastiness.

    Bullying DOES destroy lives (and even kills).

    Grow up and stop using the excuse of free speech, use your free speech appropriately and CORRECTLY. It is not a free license to attack others.

  26. There always has been a fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Separate but equal. It works.