Fedora 25 Beta Released With GNOME 3.22 and Linux Kernel 4.8.1

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Fedora 25 Beta Released With GNOME 3.22 and Linux Kernel 4.8.1

Posted by msmash on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:20AM from the linux-delights dept.

Reader prisoninmate writes: Fedora Project released of the Beta milestone of the upcoming Fedora 25 Linux operating system, due for release in mid-November. Powered by Linux kernel 4.8.1, the Fedora 25 Beta is shipping with the recently released GNOME 3.22 desktop environment, which is enabled by default on top of a Wayland 1.12 session for the Workstation Edition). Of course, you'll also find the latest software versions, including the LibreOffice 5.2.2 office suite, Flatpak 0.6.12, Mozilla Firefox 49.0 web browser, and LibVirt 2.2.0. Additionally, users will find the Mesa 12.0.3 3D Graphics Library for better and faster graphics support, OpenSSH 7.3p1 and OpenSSL 1.0.2j for improved security, Python 3.5.2, Samba 4.5.0, systemd 231, TigerVNC 1.7.0, and the latest Git snapshot of the upcoming X.Org Server 1.19.0 display server. Fedora 25 Beta Workstation is available for download now.

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I tried to download this but Hillary... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 02:29 · Score: 0, Offtopic

She burst in to my house and destroyed my computer, said it had emails on it.
Why isn't she in jail? Why won't anyone stop her??
1. Re:I tried to download this but Hillary... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 02:37 · Score: 0, Offtopic
  
  Joke's on you. That was Lennart Poettering in drag.
2. Re: I tried to download this but Hillary... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:23 · Score: 0
  
  Imagine trump trying to articulate the same thing: me, space, good. We go. Far mars. Soon.
  TRUMP is a fucking idiot. We all have seen he can not sustain himself.
3. Re:I tried to download this but Hillary... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:25 · Score: 0, Troll
  
  I thought Hillary WAS Lennart Poettering in drag.
I'm so out of touch by maynard · 2016-10-11 02:48 · Score: 1, Offtopic

Question: Can recent distributions with modern desktops handle resolution independence? Will fonts, icons, and application widgets automatically scale? If I buy a 4k monitor will it seamlessly work or will I be reading with a magnifying glass held up against the screen? I'm particularly interested in use cases with blender/makehuman, gimp/krita, synfig/opentunez, and audacity/ardour. I've been in the Mac ghetto a little too long for my own good.
1. Re:I'm so out of touch by maynard · 2016-10-11 02:54 · Score: 0
  
  They do have resolution independence. But not real10bit displays.
2. Re:I'm so out of touch by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 03:38 · Score: 0
  
  Mongolian cave paintings look so much better in 10-bit.
3. Re:I'm so out of touch by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 03:49 · Score: 0
  
  But do the paintings show banding patterns in 10bit? Because I can show you images recorded in 8bit color per channel that do. But I guess you're too busy for that. Go recompile your kernel and eat a bag of Cheetos.
4. Re:I'm so out of touch by mattdm · 2016-10-11 06:09 · Score: 2
  
  There is currently some support for this in GNOME (and therefore Fedora Workstation), but it's rudimentary. Some technical bits about this here: https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/.... A lot of the software just wasn't made for it, though, so it's going to be a bit of a bumpy road.
5. Re:I'm so out of touch by spitzak · 2016-10-11 11:05 · Score: 2
  
  Wayland does in fact have support for resolution independence. By this I mean that if a program does nothing about the resolution of the screen, Wayland assumes it is drawing for approximately 100 dpi, and scales the image by 2 if the screen is 200dpi. I think it only does integer scaling but it may be up to the compositor implementation.
  If a program actually claims it's drawing for the high-resolution display, then Wayland does not scale. The problem with X (and I think with Windows) was that there was no api so a program could tell the system that it is handling the high resolution, so the compositor had to assume it was.
6. Re:I'm so out of touch by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 15:04 · Score: 0
  
  Thank you. The link is very helpful.
7. Re:I'm so out of touch by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 15:13 · Score: 0
  
  There aren't many distributions shipping with Wayland as default yet. It's not ready for prime time. Lord knows, X11 is brain dead and ready for the rubbish bin. But replacement software isn't online for that transition just yet. Thanks for your helpful comment. I'd like to see Slashdot better cover free and open source creative tools. They've come a long way in the last ten years.
8. Re:I'm so out of touch by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 18:43 · Score: 0
  
  I just want to add, I'm extremely impressed by your creative and engineering work.
9. Re:I'm so out of touch by spitzak · 2016-10-12 05:21 · Score: 1
  
  Actually this won't fix X11 applications running on Wayland, as they are just using X11 api which lacks any "I understood the resolution" call.
Finally! by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 03:05 · Score: 1

Been waiting for this for days, Fedora 24 is like months old. Will update ASAP!
systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 03:23 · Score: 1

Do not want.
1. Re:systemd by ausekilis · 2016-10-11 03:39 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  Do not want.
  Seriously? The whole point of OSS and free software is so you have the choice. You don't like SystemD? roll your own distro or pick one that uses software you like.
  
  If you're going to start with this nonsense, at least have the decency to actually contribute to the conversation in some way. Maybe some reasons why? What it doesn't do that you wish it would? What software does do what you need?
  
  Oh wait, this is /. and you're an AC.
2. Re:systemd by jfdavis668 · 2016-10-11 03:39 · Score: 1
  
  Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
3. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:02 · Score: 0
  
  Do not want.
  Seriously?
  Haters gotta hate. If they did not have systemd to focus their hate on they would find something else.
  There are (well articulated) reasons to like, and dislike, systemd (or the legacy init system). And those that wish to run devuan are certainly free to do so.
4. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:13 · Score: 0
  
  It's spelled systemd, not SystemD, you moronic half-wit.
5. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:17 · Score: 0
  
  At this point the why is unimportant. If the proponents of systemd don't understand why the design of their 'whatever their calling systemd these days' breaks accepted norms of robust design then there is no point continuing the discussion, their just not going to get it. Conversly if the opponents of systemd don't get the 'value proposition' the justifies systemd breaking accepted norms of robust design because 'modern', then there is no point either.
  In the end the culture differences are too vast to overcome. For now the crusty old infrastructure for development and release of the common distributions of linux base os is in the hands of people pushing systemd. Shortly those who chose an alternative route will have shiny, modern infrastructure for their distributions.
  One thing the Free software movement is good at is identifying damage and routing around it. But shhh systemd won, get over it.;-)
6. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:30 · Score: 0
  
  It is indeed spelled SystemD.
  The fact that the ASCII penis name chosen by Pottering has you clutching your pearls will only make me use it more.
  SystemD
7. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:54 · Score: 0
  
  I don't add and exclamation mark after yahoo either but thats just me. You may buy into any brand you want, but to others it might just seem your working in a call centre, par of redhats 50 Cent Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
  I honestly thought the redhat advertising budget for systemD had been spent, I suppose what remains must be down to Stockholm Syndrome.
8. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 06:19 · Score: 0
  
  troll got 3 paragraphs from you out of his 3 words, you lost
9. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 07:26 · Score: 0
  
  systemd blows. I switched to FreeBSD
10. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 08:26 · Score: 0
  
  Get over to FreeBSD or slackware? YES....
seriously? by Yonsy · 2016-10-11 04:21 · Score: 1

Which part of BETA release is not understood? If you like to update because is the "latest version" every 6/9 months, go for a Rolling Release distribution (ArchLinux, Gentoo) and LEARN how manage this. Fedora needs something similar to Ubuntu LTS versions. That get updated continuously in Kernel, XOrg/Graphics, and maintain several packages updated by the community in a central way, like Canonical PPAs that have many years working. And no, CentOS 7 is not an option in desktop usage for many people, Gnome 3.8 in a desktop in 2016?
1. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 04:40 · Score: 1
  
  > Fedora needs something similar to Ubuntu LTS versions
  That's called CentOS...
2. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 06:04 · Score: 0
  
  Actually it's called RHEL.
3. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 07:39 · Score: 0
  
  from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle#Maintenance_Schedule
  
  We say maintained for approximately 13 months because the supported period for releases is dependent on the date the release under development goes final. As a result, Release X is supported until one month after the release of Release X+2.
  This translates into:
  Fedora 23 will be maintained until 1 month after the release of Fedora 25.
  Fedora 24 will be maintained until 1 month after the release of Fedora 26.
4. Re:seriously? by donaldm · 2016-10-11 10:37 · Score: 1
  
  Which part of BETA release is not understood? If you like to update because is the "latest version" every 6/9 months, go for a Rolling Release distribution (ArchLinux, Gentoo) and LEARN how manage this. Fedora needs something similar to Ubuntu LTS versions. That get updated continuously in Kernel, XOrg/Graphics, and maintain several packages updated by the community in a central way, like Canonical PPAs that have many years working. And no, CentOS 7 is not an option in desktop usage for many people, Gnome 3.8 in a desktop in 2016?
  I normally update to the latest "stable" Fedora every six months or so. Personally, I don't like Gnome preferring KDE instead, but if people like a different GUI or none at all (eg. server) then that is their prerogative.
  I always do a fresh install since I find that is usually the fastest way of upgrading to the next major release with the added benefit of no rubbish being left behind from a previous installation. All up the system install takes me about an hour and that includes install and customization although you really do want to make sure your filesystems are configured properly. I document all customizations such as repos, special files and additional applications so it's just a matter of copy and paste for "dnf" installs.
  The last part is the update of the new OS, for me this may take an hour although I can still use the machine while it is being updated and like all Linux distributions I reboot at my convenience.
  Note: This still means you still have to backup your data but you rarely have to do a recovery unless you reconfigure your file-systems or you have a catastrophic disk failure.
  
  --
  There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
5. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-12 03:21 · Score: 1
  
  Fedora has fedup now so that you can install without having to make a bootable whatever and wipe the machine. I usually wait a month or two after an official release, and then I use fedup to upgrade to the newest version.
Mageia 6 by hduff · 2016-10-11 06:07 · Score: 1

Mageia 6 already offers GNOME 3.22 desktop environment, kernel 4.8.1 and most of the others, so this is not really news. While it's the final release candidate for Mageia 6, It's very stable as-is.

--
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
What RC? by buchanmilne · 2016-10-11 06:58 · Score: 1

According to the development page (https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Development), the last ISO was the stabilisation (aka beta) snapshot 1 (sta1), there should be another snapshot this month, and after that there should be an RC.
This matches what I see on my closest mirror.
Gnome by Anonymous Coward · 2016-10-11 11:36 · Score: 0

Surprises me that when you choose what program to open a file with (eg. gedit to open a text file) that you need to specify the full path. Why not use the search $PATH variable and let me just type "gedit" instead of finding (or having to remember) where it lives on the filesystem?