Fedora 25 Beta Released With GNOME 3.22 and Linux Kernel 4.8.1

Reader prisoninmate writes: Fedora Project released of the Beta milestone of the upcoming Fedora 25 Linux operating system, due for release in mid-November. Powered by Linux kernel 4.8.1, the Fedora 25 Beta is shipping with the recently released GNOME 3.22 desktop environment, which is enabled by default on top of a Wayland 1.12 session for the Workstation Edition). Of course, you'll also find the latest software versions, including the LibreOffice 5.2.2 office suite, Flatpak 0.6.12, Mozilla Firefox 49.0 web browser, and LibVirt 2.2.0. Additionally, users will find the Mesa 12.0.3 3D Graphics Library for better and faster graphics support, OpenSSH 7.3p1 and OpenSSL 1.0.2j for improved security, Python 3.5.2, Samba 4.5.0, systemd 231, TigerVNC 1.7.0, and the latest Git snapshot of the upcoming X.Org Server 1.19.0 display server. Fedora 25 Beta Workstation is available for download now.

Comments

I'm so out of touch

[maynard]

Question: Can recent distributions with modern desktops handle resolution independence? Will fonts, icons, and application widgets automatically scale? If I buy a 4k monitor will it seamlessly work or will I be reading with a magnifying glass held up against the screen? I'm particularly interested in use cases with blender/makehuman, gimp/krita, synfig/opentunez, and audacity/ardour. I've been in the Mac ghetto a little too long for my own good.

Re:I'm so out of touch

[mattdm]

There is currently some support for this in GNOME (and therefore Fedora Workstation), but it's rudimentary. Some technical bits about this here: https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/.... A lot of the software just wasn't made for it, though, so it's going to be a bit of a bumpy road.

Re:I'm so out of touch

[spitzak]

Wayland does in fact have support for resolution independence. By this I mean that if a program does nothing about the resolution of the screen, Wayland assumes it is drawing for approximately 100 dpi, and scales the image by 2 if the screen is 200dpi. I think it only does integer scaling but it may be up to the compositor implementation.

If a program actually claims it's drawing for the high-resolution display, then Wayland does not scale. The problem with X (and I think with Windows) was that there was no api so a program could tell the system that it is handling the high resolution, so the compositor had to assume it was.

Re:I'm so out of touch

[spitzak]

Actually this won't fix X11 applications running on Wayland, as they are just using X11 api which lacks any "I understood the resolution" call.

Finally!

[Anonymous Coward]

Been waiting for this for days, Fedora 24 is like months old. Will update ASAP!

systemd

[Anonymous Coward]

Do not want.

Re:systemd

[ausekilis]

Do not want.

Seriously? The whole point of OSS and free software is so you have the choice. You don't like SystemD? roll your own distro or pick one that uses software you like.

If you're going to start with this nonsense, at least have the decency to actually contribute to the conversation in some way. Maybe some reasons why? What it doesn't do that you wish it would? What software does do what you need?

Oh wait, this is /. and you're an AC.

Re:systemd

[jfdavis668]

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

seriously?

[Yonsy]

Which part of BETA release is not understood? If you like to update because is the "latest version" every 6/9 months, go for a Rolling Release distribution (ArchLinux, Gentoo) and LEARN how manage this. Fedora needs something similar to Ubuntu LTS versions. That get updated continuously in Kernel, XOrg/Graphics, and maintain several packages updated by the community in a central way, like Canonical PPAs that have many years working. And no, CentOS 7 is not an option in desktop usage for many people, Gnome 3.8 in a desktop in 2016?

Re:seriously?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Fedora needs something similar to Ubuntu LTS versions

That's called CentOS...

Re:seriously?

[donaldm]

Which part of BETA release is not understood? If you like to update because is the "latest version" every 6/9 months, go for a Rolling Release distribution (ArchLinux, Gentoo) and LEARN how manage this. Fedora needs something similar to Ubuntu LTS versions. That get updated continuously in Kernel, XOrg/Graphics, and maintain several packages updated by the community in a central way, like Canonical PPAs that have many years working. And no, CentOS 7 is not an option in desktop usage for many people, Gnome 3.8 in a desktop in 2016?

I normally update to the latest "stable" Fedora every six months or so. Personally, I don't like Gnome preferring KDE instead, but if people like a different GUI or none at all (eg. server) then that is their prerogative.

I always do a fresh install since I find that is usually the fastest way of upgrading to the next major release with the added benefit of no rubbish being left behind from a previous installation. All up the system install takes me about an hour and that includes install and customization although you really do want to make sure your filesystems are configured properly. I document all customizations such as repos, special files and additional applications so it's just a matter of copy and paste for "dnf" installs.

The last part is the update of the new OS, for me this may take an hour although I can still use the machine while it is being updated and like all Linux distributions I reboot at my convenience.

Note: This still means you still have to backup your data but you rarely have to do a recovery unless you reconfigure your file-systems or you have a catastrophic disk failure.

Re: seriously?

[Anonymous Coward]

Fedora has fedup now so that you can install without having to make a bootable whatever and wipe the machine. I usually wait a month or two after an official release, and then I use fedup to upgrade to the newest version.

Mageia 6

[hduff]

Mageia 6 already offers GNOME 3.22 desktop environment, kernel 4.8.1 and most of the others, so this is not really news. While it's the final release candidate for Mageia 6, It's very stable as-is.

What RC?

[buchanmilne]

According to the development page (https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Development), the last ISO was the stabilisation (aka beta) snapshot 1 (sta1), there should be another snapshot this month, and after that there should be an RC.

This matches what I see on my closest mirror.